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00:00 You said that you have improved the app, but the problem is that you have improved it and then you are going towards bad.
00:04 You yourself have watered down the app, you have always said that the black law always suffers, as you just said.
00:09 But today, maybe Imran Khan will not get bail.
00:12 Now, this is being ironed out and once again, it is being taken for 40 days,
00:15 while your own people, Khwaja sahib, the MQMO, People's Party, all are against this ordinance.
00:20 Has the new ordinance been brought for Imran Khan only?
00:23 No, it cannot be against.
00:26 The President of the country has issued it, or Yusuf Daghilani has issued it.
00:31 Senator Raza Rabani Sabaid, People's Party is also saying this, MQMO is also saying this,
00:35 your own Khwaja sahib is also saying this.
00:38 The facts in this ordinance, which I am not in the cabinet,
00:45 which have not come before me, what are the facts on which it has been done.
00:49 But if there is any flaw in it, then I have full faith that when this will pass through the process of Parliament,
00:56 then it will be corrected and will come out in the form of a new amendment in the law.
01:00 And sir, the Chief Justice has recently said that if you want to bring a Sadaarti ordinance,
01:03 then the Parliament should be closed.
01:05 This is the case of the hearing of the app, which was happening today as well.
01:07 And within just two weeks of that, you brought such a controversial ordinance.
01:10 Now, the courts are getting relief, so the Chief Executive of the country, Adliya, is also being criticized.
01:16 In the General Council address, Shabaz Sharif sahib called the judges 'black sheep' as Prime Minister.
01:22 A lot of exception was taken from Adliya.
01:25 Justice Jamal also said today that the PM has called us 'black sheep',
01:28 meaning that if the decision is not liked, then these things are said.
01:31 Justice Atar Minnalla sahib also said that we are 'black sheep', not 'black sheep'.
01:35 Shouldn't tensions be eased off, Khurram sahib?
01:38 Yes, it should be done. But the PM, his political party, which he was the President two days ago,
01:48 and then the Chief Executive, he gave a speech.
01:52 And in the past, the most unjust and illegal decisions that these courts have taken,
02:00 are in front of us.
02:01 The disqualification of Nawaz Sharif, his kind of abuse, our taking of the mark,
02:07 keeping our leaders in jail for 22 months,
02:10 then the Supreme Court, like in 2022, the 63A interpretation…
02:15 Sir, but now you are in government.
02:17 Yes, I am saying this because,
02:19 the Attorney General said this correctly, that it was said in the case of the previous judges,
02:24 which the PM used.
02:26 He said, 'even today we are black sheep'.
02:28 You are not feeling this pressure on your own,
02:32 you have made references in the government, the judge also said,
02:34 'if you see black sheep, make a reference'.
02:36 This is the best way, but see what we can do about this.
02:39 When restrictions were placed on Mian Nawaz Sharif,
02:42 even today the judge is present on the bench,
02:45 he said that with the restrictions on these speeches,
02:49 when Muslim League Mian Nawaz Sharif was restricted on his speeches,
02:53 he cannot be shown on TV.
02:55 The judge said that the restrictions on speeches have not affected the law,
02:59 and the camera has put restrictions on them and decided the date.
03:03 And if the same judge, whose words are now a record,
03:07 says that this is not the case, then the proceedings should be shown.
03:11 Khurram sir, I will come to the live proceedings.
03:14 These are the things, in which opinions differ.
03:18 Like the Supreme Court…
03:19 Your reference is to Justice Satyam Minerla.
03:21 The interpretation was reversed,
03:24 saying that the Punjab government was reversed in 2022.
03:29 And Justice Satyam Minerla is on record,
03:32 and he has a very historical dissent,
03:34 in which he said about the Supreme Court of that time,
03:38 that these are politicians in robes.
03:41 It is better that the judges of today's Supreme Court,
03:45 learn from the dissent of Justice Satyam Minerla,
03:50 and move away from political matters,
03:54 and strictly decide on the law.
03:57 If someone talks about the judges,
03:59 we can all object to that.
04:01 But it is not the job of the judges,
04:03 to give their reaction to this,
04:05 and to come to the news.
04:07 They have to speak through their decisions,
04:09 and according to the law.
04:11 And this is a part of their position,
04:14 that they should not react in emotions and anger.
04:17 They should only look at the law and decide accordingly.
04:20 You are right, sir.
04:21 But when Justice Satyam Minerla gives bail to Nawaz Sharif,
04:24 and tells the government that something has happened,
04:25 then you will answer,
04:26 then he is right for you.
04:28 He is sitting on the best court,
04:30 and he is wrong for you,
04:32 because he is not suiting you.
04:33 Similarly, Babar Sattar,
04:34 whose appointment is resisted by PTI,
04:36 and you all object to it.
04:37 Today, when he talks about freedom of expression,
04:40 and civil liberties,
04:41 and gives strict orders,
04:42 then a campaign against him starts.
04:44 This is a matter of misconduct,
04:46 and your minister of law,
04:47 the minister of law of this government,
04:49 does not want to talk about it,
04:50 does not want to give a clear opinion.
04:52 So, sir, this is a very serious situation.
04:55 Justice Mandukhel has said today,
04:57 that if the decisions are not good,
04:58 then you all get into personal fights.
05:01 Look, I will say with great respect,
05:05 that this comment should not be made.
05:07 It could be written as part of the judgement,
05:10 but this bench,
05:13 which has become a tradition of comments,
05:16 which then becomes the fodder of the media,
05:18 which becomes the bait of the media,
05:21 that should not be done.
05:22 And that is why I will not say anything about any individual.
05:26 Everyone is honourable for me.
05:28 We can object to the decisions,
05:29 but as I said,
05:30 this judgement will be based on every decision.
05:34 This decision was sowed,
05:36 shielded and managed.
05:37 Now, sir, the problem is that,
05:39 you are still, I keep reiterating,
05:41 you are in the government.
05:42 You also talked about the media,
05:43 that this should not be a fodder.
05:44 Everyone should work responsibly.
05:46 But the problem is, sir,
05:47 a media gag order is also being given by your government,
05:49 and is also taking on the judiciary.
05:51 I fail to wonder,
05:52 are these your own pressures?
05:53 Are you feeling the political heat,
05:54 or are you doing this because of someone else?
05:57 Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif,
05:58 is also complaining about getting bail soon.
06:01 He just did it.
06:02 Bails are being given.
06:02 May Mr. Mian get bail on time.
06:04 May the government staff at the airport
06:05 reach to collect the biometrics.
06:07 Then all the cases are cleared.
06:09 Whether it is Mr. Shabaz Sharif,
06:10 Hamza Shabaz or Mr. Saagdar,
06:11 even if it is Hassan and Hussain,
06:13 who came after seven years,
06:14 but in one day,
06:14 three cases were cleared by the court.
06:17 So, the matter of bail,
06:18 and you have also been very generous in this.
06:20 Your right is still there.
06:21 I wish Pakistan's rule and its leaders,
06:26 that the decisions are consistent.
06:29 Because I will say in reply,
06:30 that we have many courts,
06:32 who have given 51 bails in 51 seconds.
06:35 The Lahore High Court gave
06:38 12 bails to Bani Chairman in one day last year.
06:41 And after that,
06:41 one day it was like that,
06:43 that he was on 17 bails at that time.
06:45 So, in this way,
06:46 you are bowing everywhere.
06:48 You are bowing in this way,
06:49 and in that way also.
06:51 That is why,
06:52 the government will always try to do this,
06:55 that there is no tension with the judiciary.
06:58 And our disagreement,
07:00 in the form of law,
07:02 or by going to the court.
07:04 That is why I will say,
07:06 when Shabaz Sharif said such a thing,
07:08 on which someone can object.
07:10 But because it was not a submission in the court,
07:13 the court should not have reacted on it.
07:15 The tension has increased more than this.
07:17 But Khurram Dastgir Sahib,
07:18 Faisal Wada is called to the contempt of court,
07:20 when he does a press conference.
07:21 When he announces that he is the Chief Executive of this country,
07:25 in the court of the Black Whales,
07:26 then the contempt of the court is also being felt here.
07:30 Yes, then it is because there is no consistency.
07:33 Then why didn't he get contempt,
07:35 who called the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
07:37 the biggest doubt.
07:39 And the same person,
07:41 who is now the senior representative of that Jamaat,
07:44 and is an office holder.
07:46 He said that the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
07:49 is a complicit in breaking the law.
07:53 So there we did not see any notice of contempt.
07:56 Faisal Wada.
07:57 So this is the thing that the issues of submission,
08:00 or the issues of partisanship,
08:03 one Jamaat will not notice,
08:05 whatever they say.
08:06 This is also the previous record, it is going on.
08:08 And one Jamaat has happened,
08:09 three big political careers of Muslim-lingual people were destroyed.
08:14 At that time, the court said that they have not called the court.
08:18 So our demand, and in front of the court,
08:22 that whatever standards you have set,
08:23 strict or soft,
08:24 should be equal for everyone.
08:26 It should not be that one side is not feeling equal.
08:29 I am saying that it is not possible,
08:32 that Faisal Wada should notice the contempt.
08:34 But the one who called the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
08:36 the biggest doubt,
08:37 should not do that.
08:38 So what does this mean?