• 6 months ago
President Joe Biden borrowed at least $50,000 against a line of credit on his vacation home last year, according to his annual financial disclosure, which the White House released on May 15.

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Transcript
00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - Hi everybody, I'm Brittany Lewis
00:05 with Forbes Breaking News.
00:06 Joining me now is my colleague,
00:07 Forbes staff writer, Zach Everson.
00:09 Zach, thanks for coming back on.
00:11 - Thanks for having me back on Brittany.
00:14 - The White House released President Biden's
00:16 annual financial disclosure last week,
00:18 and you did the honors of digging into it for us.
00:21 So first you pointed out inflation
00:23 is not only impacting the average American,
00:26 it's also impacting the Biden family, how so?
00:29 - Yeah, yeah, middle-class Joe has a variable,
00:32 a loan against a line of credit on his house
00:35 that has a variable interest rate.
00:37 So he, along with everybody else,
00:39 as interest rates go up, you know, that hurts him as well.
00:43 - So you found out that the Bidens took out
00:45 a $250,000 home equity loan
00:48 on the Rehoboth Beach House in 2022.
00:50 That year they borrowed against it, as well as 2023.
00:54 How much did they borrow?
00:55 - So the first year they reported taking out
00:58 somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000.
01:01 And then in 2023, it was somewhere between
01:03 100,000 and 250,000.
01:06 You know, as a reporter, and I think anybody
01:08 who cares about ethics in government,
01:10 one of the problems is that these reports
01:13 just require candidates and officials to report
01:16 within broad ranges.
01:17 So it's very difficult to tell whether it went up 50,000
01:21 or whether he borrowed 200,000,
01:24 which would certainly be quite a different story there.
01:26 But we do not know for sure.
01:28 I reached out to the White House.
01:29 They declined to provide any more details
01:31 than what was in the report.
01:33 - And is there any indication
01:34 as to why he borrowed this money?
01:36 - It seems to be in a pattern of ongoing behavior.
01:39 It seems to be how he's run his finances for years
01:42 and that he has some very nice homes right now
01:45 that we value.
01:45 And I think it was about a combined $7 million
01:48 when we last looked at his net wealth.
01:50 And, you know, it's a good way
01:52 to get some money out of those.
01:53 It's not different than many, many other Americans
01:56 who take similar loans.
01:58 - Aside from borrowing against the Beach House,
02:00 do the Bidens have any other debts?
02:02 - Yeah, they have a couple other loans.
02:06 They have some debts, a term loan
02:09 and loans against their life insurance
02:10 that total just 25 to $65,000.
02:14 Their biggest loan though remains a 30-year mortgage
02:16 on their house in Wilmington,
02:18 which is somewhere between 250,000 and 500,000.
02:22 So again, we're looking at this really broad range.
02:25 And because of that,
02:26 it makes it difficult to come up with a sum,
02:28 you know, did Joe Biden's debts go up?
02:30 Did he borrow more last year?
02:32 You can't really tell
02:33 because of the way those ranges are set.
02:34 You know, a little increase of a dollar
02:36 could bump them up a massive reporting range.
02:39 So it's tough to say, to get an overall picture
02:41 just based on this document.
02:43 - So as you said, they have a nice real estate portfolio,
02:46 nice houses, Forbes estimates at $7 million.
02:50 So talk about how much their other assets are worth.
02:53 What are they and how you got that number?
02:56 - Yeah, so their non-real estate assets
02:59 are worth somewhere between 1 million and $2.6 million,
03:03 between 700,000 and 1.6 million of that is in cash.
03:07 The president reported having a variable annuity,
03:10 which invests in a bunch of different mutual funds
03:12 and that's worth more than 135,000.
03:15 And then they have six life insurance policies
03:17 that are valued between 62,000 and again, 230,000.
03:20 So again, we're looking at that really broad range.
03:23 Most of his retirement though
03:24 is locked up in his government pension.
03:25 He's been a career government employee
03:27 for with the exception of a few years.
03:29 So he is getting a hefty pension there.
03:31 He's getting about $250,000 a year via his pension.
03:35 And that does not need to be reported
03:37 on one of these personal financial disclosures.
03:39 - And he's holding the highest office you can hold
03:42 as a career government employee.
03:44 How much is he bringing in as president each year?
03:46 - President is 400,000 is what the law states
03:51 the president gets paid.
03:52 They also get, I think it's about $50,000
03:54 that they can use to cover some of their living expenses
03:57 that are related to being president.
03:59 Like you can't just use that and say,
04:00 oh, we got 50 grand to cover living expenses.
04:03 Let's go out and buy a big flat screen.
04:05 It's expenses incurred with in connection
04:08 to having that office.
04:10 - And in the past, a little bit over 15 years,
04:13 President Biden has penned two books.
04:15 In this report, in this disclosure,
04:17 did you see that he got any royalties from them?
04:22 - For both of those, he checked the box.
04:24 That was none or less than $200.
04:26 So in both instances,
04:28 he has not reported making any royalties there.
04:31 Now, I don't know the specifics of the book deal.
04:33 I did find that a little bit interesting.
04:34 You would expect that enough people
04:36 would be buying the president of the United States book,
04:38 even if it had been out several years,
04:40 to generate something in royalties, but it didn't.
04:43 But again, it could just be the result
04:44 of the book contract as well.
04:46 - And Dr. Jill Biden is an author herself.
04:49 She also has still remained as a professor
04:52 while serving as first lady.
04:54 Is there any indication of how much she's bringing in?
04:57 - Yeah, so she didn't have to report her teaching salary
05:00 from Northern Virginia Community College,
05:02 but she is bringing in, she did bring in from her book.
05:04 She has three books.
05:05 They brought in a little bit less
05:06 than $10,000 in royalties.
05:09 - And so in total, how much does Forbes estimate
05:12 the Bidens are worth and how much of that is cash?
05:15 - So we estimate that they're worth about $10 million,
05:18 and that is largely real estate, throwing in their pensions,
05:20 and then the other accounts
05:21 that were on this recent disclosure.
05:24 That said, one of my next assignments is to go ahead
05:26 and take another look at the Bidens' wealth.
05:29 So we'll be looking at getting new appraisals
05:32 on their real estate values.
05:33 So we'll have an updated number on that sometime
05:35 in the next, hopefully, few weeks.
05:38 - And I'm sure we will be talking about that,
05:40 but as we know, the Bidens' net worth pales in comparison
05:44 to the predecessor, former president Donald Trump.
05:46 But I am curious how this recent disclosure compares
05:50 to Donald Trump's.
05:51 (laughing)
05:53 - Yeah, so Trump didn't actually file a disclosure this year.
05:56 He requested a 45-day extension,
05:58 which is absolutely illegal and something he can do.
06:01 You know, just as a reporter,
06:02 what was fascinating to me was that Biden's disclosure
06:05 was like 11 pages and three of them were blank,
06:08 whereas Trump's goes on for hundreds of pages.
06:12 It was just very strange,
06:13 and I've focused a lot more on Trump's businesses.
06:15 There's a lot more to report there.
06:17 And I'm used to looking at his disclosures,
06:19 and all of a sudden with Biden's,
06:20 I'm like, "Are there some pages missing in here?"
06:22 But no, everything was there.
06:24 - And what does that indicate with the page disparity there?
06:28 - Well, I mean, obviously, the former president Trump
06:32 has a slew of business interests that go across the globe
06:37 and that are incredibly intricate
06:40 and messy and interconnected and requires a lot of reporting.
06:44 You know, he has a ton of LLCs that you need to report.
06:47 He has many securities holdings that need to report,
06:49 whereas Biden is, you know, simple,
06:53 just much more in line, I think,
06:54 with what an average American would have,
06:55 except for the fact that it is worth $10 million,
06:58 which clearly the average American is not worth.
07:01 - Aside from, I wish I was the average American
07:03 if that was $10 million, but per usual,
07:06 Zach Everson, thank you so much for your reporting.
07:08 - My pleasure.
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