As the fifth phase of the Lok Sabha elections unfolds, attention is now focused on West Bengal, where the BJP surprised many by winning 18 seats from the Trinamool Congress (TMC) in the previous elections. With the 2024 polls nearing their conclusion, the question remains: who will dominate West Bengal this time? To gain insight into the potential outcomes in West Bengal on June 4th, we consulted esteemed experts such as SK Dutta, Siddhabhrata Das, and Shikha Mukherjee.
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00:00 Politically, you can counter it with Kaisar Ganj also.
00:03 Secondly, there were, you know, versions coming in,
00:06 who was behind Sandesh Khali and whether it was a political opportunism also that was at play there or not.
00:13 That's my first question.
00:14 Second question is, for Mamata Banerjee, what does she stand to gain to stay separate,
00:20 yet united with the Congress in West Bengal?
00:26 First of all, I would like to tell you, SK Ratta has given a lot of allegations that
00:31 SSC scam and all other scams. First, all these scams are not new.
00:36 They are in the news for the last seven, eight years.
00:39 We have 2019. SSC scam is not something which happened after 2021.
00:45 SSC scam is something which is going on since 2016.
00:51 The court, the lawyer who approached the court, they approached almost seven to eight years back
00:59 and there has been a lot of arrests even before 2021.
01:04 But the thing is that this has not been a major impact in the election.
01:10 We have seen in 2021, SK Ratta was reminding me of 2019, but he didn't remind me of 2021.
01:19 Because in 2021, he was scared to come with me because he knew what is the result.
01:25 I was never scared to come for any debate.
01:28 Mr. Ratta will come back to you.
01:29 Never ever.
01:30 We will come back to you.
01:31 Never ever.
01:31 Please listen.
01:32 Never ever.
01:32 Please listen.
01:33 Don't lie in a national channel.
01:35 Mr. Ratta will come back to you. Please.
01:37 In 2021, we have seen all these scams.
01:42 They are talking about scams.
01:45 The main leader of BJP in West Bengal right now, Shubhendu Adhikari,
01:49 was part of the TMC in 2021, just two months before the election.
01:55 And he was one of the main accused in all the scams.
01:59 They accused us, the TMC, of the scams.
02:04 But time and again in 2019, 2021 and all other incidents we have seen,
02:11 there has not been any impact on the election.
02:16 Then I would like to add about Sandesh Khal.
02:18 You know that the sting operation which happened a few days back
02:25 has very completely, clearly shown us, everyone in West Bengal,
02:32 that it was a plan hatched by BJP, funded by BJP, just to malign the TMC.
02:40 And every single person in West Bengal right now knows that this Sandesh Khali
02:49 is a dirty game of the BJP.
02:52 I would tell you that the main woman, I think Papiya is the name of that woman,
02:59 the Calcutta High Court has sent her to jail last Friday.
03:03 So the thing is very clear.
03:07 Sandesh Khali is a desperate attempt of BJP to gain vote.
03:12 But in the very place where Sandesh Khali happened, the Sandesh Khali area,
03:18 BJP will not get its own bearers.
03:20 Forget West Bengal.
03:22 Shikha ji, how do you read this?
03:24 See, I think, you know, if you look at Sandesh Khali
03:30 and you look at the politics of Sandesh Khali,
03:34 one thing I will say, and I will say this loud and clear,
03:37 which is that all political parties,
03:41 regardless of whether it's the Trinamool or the BJP,
03:44 they are playing politics for the women's party.
03:46 This is politics for the women's party, this is the Indian Exchequer.
03:52 Because whether the woman was paid or whether the woman was not paid,
03:57 whether it was a genuine complaint or whether it was not a genuine complaint,
04:03 that is a matter of investigation.
04:05 That is not a matter of politics.
04:07 The law is very clear on this subject.
04:10 It takes courage and it takes,
04:13 and it's traumatic for women to have to go and make this kind of complaint.
04:17 The political game that is going on over their bodies
04:22 has absolutely no respect for the agency of women,
04:28 whether they can be actually paid to make such a complaint.
04:32 So I think that the politics of Sandesh Khali is disgusting.
04:37 Having said that, the problem is that the BJP raised the issue,
04:44 but the BJP does not have the capacity to sustain it.
04:48 It has not gone beyond Sandesh Khali.
04:51 It has not impacted the campaign in other parts of the state.
04:55 Whereas there are other issues which are impacting the other parts of the state
05:02 and it's very unfortunate that regardless of what the campaign is,
05:08 it's boiled down to the 2021 campaign.
05:11 BJP is good for you, Srinu Mool is bad for you.
05:16 This is a tired and desperate campaign in 2021 that failed.
05:23 So why is the BJP persisting in a campaign strategy that failed?
05:31 - Sorry. - Okay.
05:35 - I'm sorry. - Fine. Mr. Dutta.
05:36 - Mr. Dutta. - Well, let me come to Sandesh Khali himself.
05:42 First and foremost, in relation to the sting operation.
05:45 The so-called sting was done by a company which is aligned with AIPOC,
05:52 with Abhishek Banerjee's thing.
05:56 Abhishek Banerjee was one of the former directors of that company.
06:00 The journalist who did it, a small time for independent,
06:05 so-called independent correspondent.
06:07 Everyone knows where his allegiance is.
06:09 He's been frequently in Srinu Mool Congress rallies
06:12 and he's seen in and around Pobnabin with DD as well as with Abhishek Banerjee.
06:17 Second thing is like the tormented woman in Sandesh Khali
06:21 who had been sexually assaulted and few of them were raped and gang raped.
06:26 None of them have given a clean sheet to Shah Jahan Sheikh or to TMC,
06:32 other local leaders of the TMC who have been arrested and who are in jail.
06:38 If TMC was so clean on this and if TMC had nothing to do with Sandesh Khali,
06:45 why did they protect Shah Jahan Sheikh for 55 long days?
06:49 It is only after repeated warning by the Calcutta AIPOC.
06:53 And finally, they were forced to hand him over to the CPI.
06:58 So everyone knows the reality.
07:00 Coming to the, just give five seconds more please.
07:02 Coming in relation to the question of CAA about which Mamata Didi is raising a UN cry,
07:10 why should we give citizenship to Rohingyas,
07:14 to illegal Bangladeshi Muslims and Pakistani Muslims,
07:19 only to satisfy the political ego of Banerjee and her entourage?
07:25 They are not victimized in Pakistan or in Bangladesh.
07:29 Why should we give them citizenship?
07:31 Citizenship under CAA is meant for tormented people who have to flee their country
07:37 because of religious persecution.
07:39 I mean, that's all the minority community lies, you know,
07:42 including the Christians, the Sikhs, the Jains, the Parsis, as well as the Hindus.
07:46 We are not talking CAA only for the tormented Hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh.
07:52 We are talking for all the minorities.
07:54 And it is the duty of the Modi government and the present government and duty of India
07:59 to give citizenship to tormented people.
08:02 Nehruji himself has given this assurance in Parliament way back in 1952.
08:08 Okay, Mr. Dada.
08:11 Mr. Das, you want to respond?
08:14 Yes, the thing is that it's a blatant lie that the woman has not,
08:17 none of the women has said.
08:20 The woman has said in the front of the camera,
08:23 the woman has said in various places that they were given a blank paper and said that this is,
08:29 this is for government schemes.
08:31 They signed it and later the report was written that I was raped.
08:35 They have said that no rape has happened to us.
08:38 And it is a fact.
08:40 It is recorded.
08:41 You cannot deny it.
08:43 The entire Sandesh Khali is a dirty game of BJP.
08:47 It is as clear as water.
08:49 Why are we discussing upon it?
08:52 Okay, Mr. Das, I want to add one more point on CAA.
08:59 I want to add one more point.
09:01 The government, the Home Ministry has came out with the rule
09:08 and they have said that you can apply online for CAA.
09:11 How many applications have so far been submitted,
09:14 which will clearly say that the people for whom the CAA came,
09:19 the refugees or the Motuas whose vote BJP wants,
09:25 they are not applying for CAA,
09:28 which proves that none of the Motuas believe that they will actually get citizenship.
09:33 It's a hoax.
09:36 And this was reflected in the election.
09:40 Mr. Shrikha Mukherjee is with us.
09:41 You have said that the Sandesh Khali accusation is a disgusting matter
09:48 and how it is being handled by both political parties.
09:50 Politics is being played on this.
09:52 If we want to know from you on a purely political issue,
09:56 in West Bengal, Mamata Bender is running alone,
09:59 which was also asked by Mr. Pankaj earlier.
10:01 On the other hand, Congress and the left are fighting together.
10:04 Mamata Bender sometimes says that she is with them,
10:06 then she says that she will support them from outside.
10:08 Such a situation has arisen.
10:09 Adhiranjan Chaudhary attacks Mamata Bender.
10:13 Mr. Khadge warns him in a way.
10:17 All these things are going on.
10:19 How are you seeing this politics in West Bengal?
10:22 Will the mutual fight benefit the BJP?
10:25 Or are there some arrangements behind the scenes
10:29 that the India bloc benefits from this kind of politics?
10:35 Look, first of all, Trinamool is very conscious.
10:39 The issue of scams that was being discussed,
10:45 despite the scams, there is an anti-Trinamool sentiment.
10:52 If this anti-Trinamool sentiment goes to the BJP's account,
10:58 then the BJP benefits.
11:00 If it goes to Congress and CPM's account,
11:05 then the BJP suffers a loss.
11:08 So, I think the way the campaign is being done in West Bengal,
11:14 the common enemy is the BJP.
11:17 Be it the left, Congress or Trinamool.
11:21 This is sending a message to the voters
11:27 that whoever you vote for, don't vote for the BJP.
11:31 Number one.
11:33 Number two.
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11:36 Sorry, sorry.
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11:41 We are talking about 2019.
11:43 If you look at it,
11:46 the BJP's gain of votes was at the cost of the CPM.
11:52 Huge chunk of CPM's votes
11:57 went to the BJP.
11:59 Right.
12:01 Now, CPM is saying that this vote is going to come back.
12:05 In 2019, they had a zero win,
12:11 no MP from West Bengal.
12:13 So, it was Congress.
12:16 Now, in 2021, Congress won,
12:22 but CPM did not win in the Assembly.
12:25 Now, CPM and Congress are hoping that
12:29 their vote share will increase.
12:34 CPM is hoping that they will win seats.
12:37 In this polarization,
12:41 where BJP is different,
12:44 and the other three are identifying the same enemy,
12:49 the left is criticizing the three,
12:53 Congress is criticizing them,
12:55 but it is very clear that the principal enemy is BJP.
12:59 So, the message to the voters is
13:02 that whoever you choose,
13:05 don't choose the BJP.
13:07 So, this polarization in West Bengal is very interesting.
13:13 Indeed, indeed, ma'am.
13:15 And thank you so much for explaining it to our viewers also,
13:18 how the dynamics are changing.
13:19 As per your understanding, Mr. Dutta,
13:21 how do you read this?
13:22 I mean, Shikhaji has actually, I would say,
13:26 hit the nail on its head.
13:28 And especially in such a politically sensitive state of West Bengal,
13:33 do you think that it's a resurgence of the left
13:35 and BJP stands to lose votes there?
13:37 Well, I think commenters were talking in the same line in 2019 also,
13:44 that there is going to be a resurgence of the left
13:47 and Congress party will also revive
13:49 because of the poor performance and misgovernance of the Liberal Congress.
13:54 The reality happens something else,
13:56 you know, like Mamata Didi always speaks about Bam, Sham, Ram.
14:01 Everywhere she keeps on saying this,
14:04 Bam means the left,
14:05 Sham means Congress and Ram means BJP.
14:08 And she keeps on saying,
14:10 if you vote for CPM and if you vote for Congress,
14:15 you are actually voting for BJP because you are helping out BJP.
14:19 One and the same.
14:19 So that kind of political narrative was there in 2019 also.
14:24 I have said that there has been speed change
14:28 in the political dynamics of Bengal after 2019.
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15:44 - I was going to say that we should spare Shikha ma'am
15:52 of these, but nonetheless, I mean,
15:54 when it comes to, you know,
15:56 this slugfest, I would say, or this dance of democracy,
16:00 as they call West Bengal, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh,
16:02 they form the core, you know,
16:06 the matrix of this whole dynamics of who wins
16:10 the Lok Sabha elections.
16:12 Gentlemen, Shikha ma'am, thank you so much
16:14 for speaking to us, speaking for India.
16:16 - Thank you.
16:17 - Your thoughts and inputs are well appreciated here,
16:20 and we look forward to have more such conversations
16:24 as we progress into the subsequent phases
16:26 of the Lok Sabha elections.
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