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During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing last week, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) spoke to Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines about support for Israel and the threat of the Houthis on commercial shipping.

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00:00 Both, I want to just acknowledge some amazing work that the U.S. military has done in two
00:05 very challenging contexts recently.
00:08 The U.S. effort to support Israel together with other nations during the attack from
00:14 Iran was truly a superb operation, and I don't think that kind of thing happens by accident
00:20 or by chance.
00:22 It demonstrates an awful lot of training, an awful lot of capacity, an awful lot of
00:26 cooperation.
00:27 And had we not been successful in that, the level of escalation that we might have seen
00:33 in the region, the damage to Israeli cities, communities, people, the likely escalation
00:39 thereafter could really have been devastating at a very critical time where the last thing
00:44 we need is escalation in the Middle East.
00:46 And so I just, at a hearing like this, I want to acknowledge the great service of U.S. military
00:52 in forming together with Israel and other nations a defense against the Iranian attack.
00:58 And second, the work that the U.S., primarily the Navy but not solely the Navy, has done
01:03 in the Red Sea to repel attacks by Houthis against commercial ships, military ships,
01:08 again in tandem with allies, but most of the work is being the hard work, the kinetic hostile
01:13 fires being taken by U.S. military has been truly remarkable.
01:19 And the remarkable thing, and I know this has got to keep you guys up every night, is
01:23 when we are sitting there in the Red Sea and absorbing incoming over and over and over
01:27 again, we have to have 100 percent success rate.
01:30 It can't be 98, it can't be 99 percent.
01:33 My understanding is we've, it's been 100 percent up to now.
01:36 I don't want to jinx it, and it's been, we've been as close as 3,000 yards from striking
01:44 a U.S. ship that we were able to take down with a Gatling gun, some use of missiles has
01:49 enabled us to take down incoming missiles or drones at further distance, but 3,000 yards
01:54 is pretty close.
01:56 And we've got a lot of Virginians on those ships in the Red Sea, and I know other members
02:01 here have sailors from their states there too.
02:04 So I want to start with that, and that, it takes a lot of work to get to that.
02:09 I mean, the development of the Aegis system, I mean, goes back decades, and good intel,
02:15 and using the intel well, both to defend but also to strike positions in Yemen that could
02:19 do damage, I mean, I just want to express appreciation.
02:23 I do want to focus on the Red Sea, and so let me begin with Director Haynes.
02:28 What is the ICSAS about the Houthis' continuing threat on commercial shipping, and how long
02:35 is that threat likely to remain active?
02:38 Yeah, so our assessment is essentially that it is going to remain active for some time.
02:45 It is in part because Abdu'l-Malik, the leader of the Houthis, continues, we think, to see
02:54 domestic political advantage for some of the actions that he's taking, that he is interested
03:01 in kind of burnishing his regional reputation, and he has seen this to be adding to that
03:08 in many respects.
03:09 And that they continue to indigenously produce a fair amount of UAVs, other weapon systems,
03:18 and so on, and of course are also getting assistance from the Iranians in this respect,
03:23 and that neither of those things are likely to change in the near future.
03:26 Now, that doesn't mean that the strikes that the Department of Defense and the coalition
03:32 with our allies have taken haven't had impact.
03:34 They have, but it's been insufficient to really stop the Houthis from going down this road,
03:40 and so that is sort of our -- What's your assessment about if there were
03:43 to be a ceasefire in Gaza, what's the likelihood that the pace of attacks would significantly
03:49 reduce?
03:50 Yeah, it is honestly unknown at this stage.
03:54 They have indicated that at different times that they would comply with the ceasefire,
03:59 so I think there's a fair possibility that that is what --
04:01 And wasn't there some abatement of the pace of attacks into the Red Sea during the first
04:05 ceasefire?
04:06 Prior -- That's exactly right.
04:07 They did in the prior one.
04:08 But it's just -- One of the things that's been challenging is that their rationale for
04:13 their attacks has shifted over time a bit, and it's gotten more complicated at times.
04:18 He's indicated that they wouldn't stop unless -- And in tolls, humanitarian assistance
04:23 had been delivered to a certain degree, things like that, and so it seems like there are
04:26 additional requirements that he's added, but it doesn't mean that he wouldn't pause during
04:31 the ceasefire.
04:32 And even if the ceasefire might, under past rationale, lead them to stop to the extent
04:36 that they feel like this is burnishing their reputation for being kind of a bad actor,
04:42 they might continue even in a ceasefire condition.
04:45 Yeah, it's possible.
04:46 Last question.
04:47 Why aren't more allies and members of the coalition helping the United States in actually
04:53 taking military action against Houthis who are targeting their ships?
04:57 I mean, we're protecting commercial ships of other nations.
05:00 The number of nations that are participating in the military activity seems small to me.
05:05 How should I understand that?
05:07 Yeah, I mean, I'll start, and General Cruz may have more to add here.
05:10 I think a number of them really are trying to help in any way that they can, and we've
05:15 seen it come in different forms, and I would really defer to the Department of Defense
05:20 in terms of the degree of it, but let me- How about a quick answer since I'm over my
05:23 time, General Cruz?
05:24 Sir, I think I would just add that to the DNI's point.
05:29 Many of them are contributing in other ways, and they're important ways, and while there's
05:34 few that might be doing defense in the Red Sea, specifically, they're doing things that
05:39 we actually count on, and we appreciate the partnership, but would welcome anyone else
05:43 who would want to participate.
05:44 Senator Cotton.

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