A married man says he became “obsessed” with another woman after meeting her at a course - but his wife has since forgiven him after realising it “wasn’t his fault”.
Ruth Perl, 58, and her husband David, 64, have spent 13 years recovering from the incident.
David never acted on his feelings towards the person he fancied - but he chose to tell the woman after confiding in Ruth.
He started researching an emotional experience known as ‘limerence’ - which means intrusive, romantic thoughts about another person.
David realised his feelings were unwanted - he had no control over them and wasn't interested in beginning an affair with the woman.
After telling Ruth about his realisation, the couple spent time rebuilding their relationship - and say they’re happier than ever.
David, a couples’ therapist from St. Albans, Herts., said: “It wasn’t a normal crush, it was weird and disturbing - but we’ve put in the years to heal ourselves since.
“It was a difficult one - I did end up telling the other person, as I was encouraged to do so through therapy.
“I think she was horrified - in hindsight, it was really unfair to put that on her.
“But it’s all about forgiveness, we’ve done the work and are happier than ever.”
David met the woman he developed feelings for on January 14, 2011 - after chatting to her at a training course.
Their conversation lasted less than 20 minutes, but David could feel he was “besotted” by her - without being able to put a finger on why.
“I’ve had crushes before,” he added. “We both have. But nothing like this - this was really unusual.”
David thought about her, night-and-day, for weeks.
He looked online at forums about “obsessive love” - and came across a post about limerence.
He said: “I thought, 'jeez, this is what I’ve got to a T.'
“Something’s not right - I was absolutely obsessed and I only spoke to her for 20 minutes.
“I kept going over every single word she said to me, every little action.
“The moment I’d wake up, I’d rehearse in my head what I might say to her if she came up to talk to me.
“I’d experience soaring highs if she replied to an email - and extreme lows if she didn’t.
“It was like an intermittent reward.”
Knowing the feeling wasn’t going to go away any time soon, he decided to tell Ruth - who also works as a couples’ therapist.
She said: “David told me, and this was all going on about five days after my dad’s funeral.
“I was in horrific grief at the time, and so my first thoughts were: ‘Oh, for god’s sake. How can you be so bloody stupid?’
“My dad had just died, and my husband wanted to p*ss off into fantasy land.
“We went into freefall, and it was a very, very difficult 12 months.”
After choosing to concentrate on grieving for her dad for a year, Ruth says she “finally had the brain capacity” to sit down with David, and ask him what was going on.
He hadn’t acted on his feelings - and actively decided he wouldn’t “consummate” the crush.
“David reached out to me,” Ruth said. “He asked me, ‘please help me understand what’s going on.’
“He was so confused. I asked him if he still wanted to be married, and he said, ‘I don’t want to throw away what we’ve got.’
“I told him to sit in the confusion, and I’d do what I could to support him.
“But I knew that what will be will be, we might not necessarily make it out of this.”
David said: “We started having marriage counselling - and one thing I want to stress is it isn’t an excuse to cheat.
“I was responsible for what I did - but it did make me realise that often, people don’t set out to have an affair.”
David explored some of the ways therapists encourage people to “heal” from limerence - including starving themselves from contact, or consummating it with the other person.
He settled on going to therapy, and letting the woman know he couldn’t speak to her anymore.
Now, David and Ruth help other couples going through the same thing - and have taught their children, Hannah-Mai, 32, and Isobel, 29, how to value their own relationships.
Ruth said: “It was important our two daughters knew about all this.
“They were older teenagers when this was all going on, and they understood it.
“We thought it was very important for them to understand that all marriages have differences - but you don’t throw the towel in when the going gets tough.
“Even when you’re talking about a full-blown physical affair. Once is a mistake, twice is a habit.”
Ruth Perl, 58, and her husband David, 64, have spent 13 years recovering from the incident.
David never acted on his feelings towards the person he fancied - but he chose to tell the woman after confiding in Ruth.
He started researching an emotional experience known as ‘limerence’ - which means intrusive, romantic thoughts about another person.
David realised his feelings were unwanted - he had no control over them and wasn't interested in beginning an affair with the woman.
After telling Ruth about his realisation, the couple spent time rebuilding their relationship - and say they’re happier than ever.
David, a couples’ therapist from St. Albans, Herts., said: “It wasn’t a normal crush, it was weird and disturbing - but we’ve put in the years to heal ourselves since.
“It was a difficult one - I did end up telling the other person, as I was encouraged to do so through therapy.
“I think she was horrified - in hindsight, it was really unfair to put that on her.
“But it’s all about forgiveness, we’ve done the work and are happier than ever.”
David met the woman he developed feelings for on January 14, 2011 - after chatting to her at a training course.
Their conversation lasted less than 20 minutes, but David could feel he was “besotted” by her - without being able to put a finger on why.
“I’ve had crushes before,” he added. “We both have. But nothing like this - this was really unusual.”
David thought about her, night-and-day, for weeks.
He looked online at forums about “obsessive love” - and came across a post about limerence.
He said: “I thought, 'jeez, this is what I’ve got to a T.'
“Something’s not right - I was absolutely obsessed and I only spoke to her for 20 minutes.
“I kept going over every single word she said to me, every little action.
“The moment I’d wake up, I’d rehearse in my head what I might say to her if she came up to talk to me.
“I’d experience soaring highs if she replied to an email - and extreme lows if she didn’t.
“It was like an intermittent reward.”
Knowing the feeling wasn’t going to go away any time soon, he decided to tell Ruth - who also works as a couples’ therapist.
She said: “David told me, and this was all going on about five days after my dad’s funeral.
“I was in horrific grief at the time, and so my first thoughts were: ‘Oh, for god’s sake. How can you be so bloody stupid?’
“My dad had just died, and my husband wanted to p*ss off into fantasy land.
“We went into freefall, and it was a very, very difficult 12 months.”
After choosing to concentrate on grieving for her dad for a year, Ruth says she “finally had the brain capacity” to sit down with David, and ask him what was going on.
He hadn’t acted on his feelings - and actively decided he wouldn’t “consummate” the crush.
“David reached out to me,” Ruth said. “He asked me, ‘please help me understand what’s going on.’
“He was so confused. I asked him if he still wanted to be married, and he said, ‘I don’t want to throw away what we’ve got.’
“I told him to sit in the confusion, and I’d do what I could to support him.
“But I knew that what will be will be, we might not necessarily make it out of this.”
David said: “We started having marriage counselling - and one thing I want to stress is it isn’t an excuse to cheat.
“I was responsible for what I did - but it did make me realise that often, people don’t set out to have an affair.”
David explored some of the ways therapists encourage people to “heal” from limerence - including starving themselves from contact, or consummating it with the other person.
He settled on going to therapy, and letting the woman know he couldn’t speak to her anymore.
Now, David and Ruth help other couples going through the same thing - and have taught their children, Hannah-Mai, 32, and Isobel, 29, how to value their own relationships.
Ruth said: “It was important our two daughters knew about all this.
“They were older teenagers when this was all going on, and they understood it.
“We thought it was very important for them to understand that all marriages have differences - but you don’t throw the towel in when the going gets tough.
“Even when you’re talking about a full-blown physical affair. Once is a mistake, twice is a habit.”
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00:00Hey dad, what's limerence? Well limerence is a condition that was described by a woman called
00:05Dorothy Tenoff in the 1970s and it's when we are completely obsessed, besotted, infatuated with
00:12another human being. It's like a crush but I describe it as a crush on steroids. So a crush
00:17or a bit of a passing fancy to somebody we're attracted to, I think most people can relate to,
00:23but limerence is when that is ramped up and that we are completely obsessed. It's like a mind virus
00:29that has taken our mind over and all we can think about is that other person. It may be when we see
00:34them we start planning and rehearsing what we're going to say, a bit like this dog who's got
00:39limerence as well. When we've seen them we will go over in our minds over and over again what did
00:44they say, what did they mean by that. We start trying to read in to everything what they say,
00:49we start looking at their body language because we're really interested in knowing do they like
00:55me. We might become jealous about our limerent object, we might even stalk them and that's quite
01:01common as well, stalkerish behaviour. It's not a healthy condition. Somebody said oh it's just
01:06another label that people use, it's just another excuse. Yes I agree with that, it is a label
01:13and yes some people may use limerence as an excuse for cheating on their partners, however
01:18it doesn't justify however strong the feelings to go and cheat and betray your partner.
01:24The other thing I think that there's a correlation or a connection is if we're neurodiverse, if we're
01:29on that spectrum I do think that there's some parallels between the obsessiveness that we
01:35can have when we're neurodiverse and I use the word we because I am on the spectrum as well
01:41and I've had limerence myself as well so I can really understand the pain that people go through
01:47and can we just stop it? No, let me tell you if you think that you can just think your way out of
01:53limerence you can't, it's like saying to an addict or an alcoholic just stop drinking, just stop
01:58smoking, it's just not that easy. We have to do the deeper work and we have to go, we have to abstain
02:05from the person that we're addicted to because it is an addiction, it's an addiction to another
02:10human being and it's very unhealthy. Hey mum how did you cope when dad got limerence? Gosh long
02:16time ago now, I think initially I was in shock, I think that's the biggest thing and I took
02:24time to really understand from David's point of view what was actually going on. I think I was
02:32just so like what's happening I didn't get it so he had to sit down and explain to me how he was
02:39feeling and I remember thinking well that's like an addiction and I think this is what people
02:45need to realise is that level of overload of feelings, obsession, yeah an obsession is like
02:54an addiction and I think if you can just view it as that and try if you can to understand from
03:00their perspective. I'm not saying it's easy because part of me wanted to just think kick him out,
03:07how dare you? I was very angry okay and I think anger is a very very normal and natural and
03:13justifiable emotion, however if you display that emotion to your partner all you will do
03:22is push them away and potentially push them into the arms of their LO, their limerent object and
03:28that is not what I wanted to do. So I had to make a decision, do I kick this person out that I've
03:35been married to and had a relationship with for decades or do I stay and fight and I decided to
03:42stay and fight and I decided to be the best version of myself so I was understanding, I was
03:47sympathetic, I listened, I helped but at the same time I was angry but I took my anger elsewhere,
03:56I took my anger to my therapist, I took my anger to my friends, I took my anger to my family,
04:02I didn't display that to David because it was important to realise that he was also going
04:08through a really traumatic time and he didn't understand what was happening. In order to keep
04:13my family unit together, I had to be the strong one, I had to be the stoic one and I had to be
04:20the one to stand up and fight for what I wanted and that's what I did and eventually it came good
04:27and in fact we've been much stronger because of it but it's not easy, I'm not saying this is easy
04:33okay, it's not easy. I think it's a burden and a blessing, I wouldn't wish
04:39limerence on my worst enemy and yet personally it was the biggest transformational thing that
04:45happened to me from my own growth so it was a blessing from that point of view as well.