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00:00As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
00:20As-salamu alaykum, welcome to our program.
00:23We will talk about...
00:25We talk about this daily but today we have a different topic.
00:30The leaders of Pakistan Muslim League are fighting amongst themselves.
00:34They are negating each other's statements.
00:37They are saying that he is making a wrong statement.
00:39We will talk about this in detail.
00:41Apart from this, who is the source of the controversy?
00:48Who is the hero? Who is the villain?
00:51What is the discussion about the political scene in Pakistan?
00:54This is also a part of our program today.
00:57The former Prime Minister and the cabinet of Bani PTI.
01:01All the senior ministers of that cabinet were present at ECL.
01:06They have been removed from ECL.
01:08What is the story behind this?
01:10We will try to find out from Hassan Ayub.
01:13He is the CBM.
01:15What is the story behind all this?
01:18But first of all, our top story.
01:21Today you saw a press conference.
01:23The Federal Law Minister Azam Tariq and the Minister of Information.
01:27He is also our respected young man Tariq.
01:30The press conference was about the missing people in Pakistan.
01:36This is a very old issue.
01:38This issue has been around for four decades.
01:42The minister said during the press conference.
01:45Despite a lot of efforts, there is still a need for a solution.
01:48The issue is being tried to solve.
01:51During the press conference, he also said.
01:54There were some unknown people who were involved in various cases.
01:58But they were included in the list of missing persons.
02:02The law minister said that the current government.
02:06Before this, when PDM 1 was formed.
02:09We say in Shughal.
02:11There was PDM 1, but the opposition calls it PDM 2.
02:14From PDM 1 to the current government.
02:17We have agreed on this.
02:21We will solve this issue of missing persons.
02:24What did he say during the press conference?
02:27More than 10,200 cases of missing persons.
02:30They went to the commission.
02:31About 8,000 cases have been solved.
02:33There is a tendency of about 23%.
02:36The work is being started on the guidance of the minister.
02:39This issue has been around for four decades.
02:42Even judicial orders cannot be solved overnight.
02:45There are some issues on both sides.
02:48Perhaps the involvement of the government institutions.
02:51Most of them cannot be refuted.
02:54But we have to see if there is any concrete and solid evidence.
02:59As far as I have seen in the report.
03:01He was in the committee, he was in negation.
03:03The second thing is that 100% reports are correct.
03:07There is a similar situation in that too.
03:09The reports are also correct.
03:11The person who is missing is genuinely missing.
03:14But on the contrary, it has also been seen that those people.
03:17We had registered them as missing persons.
03:20When the attack came in Gwadar.
03:22The attack was identified.
03:25The missing person was present in that too.
03:27The declared missing person.
03:29The matter is not so easy.
03:30We have to find a legal solution to this.
03:32We also have to find a political solution.
03:34Viewers, Mr. Aun Chaudhary is a member of the National Assembly.
03:38He is a part of the government.
03:40We will talk to him about this issue.
03:42Mr. Aun Chaudhary, thank you very much for your time.
03:44Sir, tell us.
03:46There is no doubt that this is a very complex issue.
03:50More than one government has worked on it.
03:54And more work needs to be done.
03:56In your opinion, as Mr. Law Minister said.
03:59There are some complications in this.
04:01Which we are solving.
04:03How long do you have a timeline in your mind?
04:05That this is the deadline.
04:07In this time, we should try.
04:09The major issue has been solved to a large extent.
04:13The 23% penance will also be solved.
04:18Thank you very much.
04:20In the name of God, the most Merciful.
04:22Mr. Law Minister, you told us about the legal aspects of this issue.
04:27I would like to highlight some very important points.
04:31In front of our nation.
04:33Through your program.
04:35This is a very sensitive issue.
04:37It is very sad to say.
04:39It is very easy to talk about civil society.
04:43Some people put allegations on the government.
04:47To increase their rating in their tweets.
04:49All governments put allegations on institutions.
04:52But no one knows the statistics.
04:56No one knows.
04:58If you look at it globally.
05:00There are people in foreign countries.
05:02There are missing persons.
05:04You look at the UK, the US.
05:06Look at India.
05:08But you see.
05:10No such allegations are put on any government.
05:14I will tell you a small thing.
05:16As Mr. Law Minister said today.
05:18Some people say missing persons.
05:20Missing persons cross the border.
05:22Go to Afghanistan.
05:24Take training.
05:26Come back.
05:28I have such evidences.
05:30I am showing you this picture.
05:32I am showing this so that the nation also knows.
05:34Some people are misguided by our nation.
05:36Look at this.
05:38This is his name.
05:40His details.
05:42He was trained from Afghanistan.
05:44He was involved in the Gwadar attack.
05:46He was caught by our law enforcement agency.
05:48They found out that he was involved in the Gwadar attack.
05:52There is another case like this.
05:54You will see.
05:56They planned this.
05:58Look at this.
06:00This is Gaddafi Kareem Jaan.
06:02He was trained from Afghanistan.
06:04He was released from jail.
06:06Then he was involved in the attack.
06:08He was terrorized.
06:10He was trained from Afghanistan.
06:12He was released from jail.
06:14Then he was involved in the attack.
06:16He was terrorized.
06:18He was on the missing persons list.
06:20I request all of you.
06:22All of you.
06:24All of you.
06:26All of you.
06:28All of you.
06:30All of you.
06:32All of you.
06:34All of you.
06:36All of you.
08:08You cannot blame the government.
08:10You can blame the government.
08:12You say that the government is responsible.
08:14You say that the government is responsible.
08:16Yes.
08:18Our Law Minister.
08:20Our Information Minister.
08:22has given detailed press release.
08:24Yes.
08:26You have shed light on the issue.
08:28You have shed light on the issue.
08:30The enemy law.
08:32The enemy law.
08:34The intelligence agencies.
08:36If some people are genuine, then these people are included in it.
08:41The problem is that it has to be solved.
08:43And the steps that are being taken to solve it,
08:46this is a new government.
08:47Obviously, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif has come again.
08:49So, what new things are you going to bring in those steps
08:54so that these people who come and go across the border,
08:58then they are included in all these proceedings.
09:00Have you taken any new initiative on this?
09:03Let me continue.
09:07Today, as the law minister told you,
09:09work has been done on 23 facilities.
09:11And there are some complications.
09:13Something is left on it.
09:15This is a very sensitive matter.
09:18We have to justify to the people
09:21that how many people are missing.
09:23Some people who are not even there.
09:25And those people are also put in.
09:27See, this government, in detail,
09:30Interior Ministry, Law Ministry,
09:32are doing our proper work.
09:34It will take some time.
09:36And the ownership of this will be given to this government.
09:39So that these people who misuse this thing.
09:42Now you tell me,
09:44the Greek boat that sinks,
09:47how many Pakistanis sink in it,
09:49no one raises a voice on it.
09:52How many missing persons are there?
09:54400 people, 500 people.
09:55Do you know anyone's details?
09:57They are all missing.
09:58They are also put in.
10:00The purpose is that
10:02you will be legislated on this.
10:05We will go into detail on this.
10:07We will find out on this.
10:09How many people come from your border?
10:11First of all,
10:13we have to secure ourselves on the border.
10:15So that these people,
10:17foreigners come to our country.
10:19And here they are missing persons.
10:21Take training there,
10:23come here and create chaos,
10:25terrorism and then go back.
10:27And here we have some lawyers,
10:29a woman,
10:31she tweets.
10:33And she gives a new 10 names in every case.
10:43Look,
10:44if someone gives you 10 names on every case,
10:47have you verified
10:49that these people are missing or not?
10:51You will have to take great responsibility on this.
10:57Absolutely right, Mr. Onchay.
10:59You are absolutely right.
11:00Even if someone takes names,
11:02there should be evidence behind it.
11:04Let's take advantage of your presence in the program.
11:07Tell us about the IPP.
11:09Will the party use it again?
11:13Will there be a new arrangement on the foundations?
11:15Or will the current status remain the same?
11:18Obviously, Mr. Karim has been separated.
11:20Will the IPP remain the same
11:23or are you going to join another party?
11:27No, no.
11:28Look, it's not like that.
11:30But if you talk on the political side,
11:34first of all, the party is not the problem now.
11:37The biggest problem now is Pakistan.
11:40We are parties, political parties, later.
11:43First of all, Pakistan and the Pakistani citizens
11:46and as a representative,
11:48a public representative of Pakistan,
11:50we have to realize how to make our country happy.
11:54How do we get our country out of the crisis?
11:57What hope do we have to give to the people who voted for us?
12:01How do we make their lives easier?
12:06So I would like to say that
12:08we should not raise any political issue now.
12:12Pakistan first, the people of Pakistan first,
12:16the happiness of Pakistan first.
12:19Law and order in Pakistan first,
12:21education for the people of Pakistan first.
12:25But Mr. Hashim Dogar, along with Mazat,
12:28he said that this party has buried the politics of many political families.
12:34He was related to your party.
12:36He contested the election on your ticket.
12:39And then he said to this very party
12:42that this party has buried the politics of many political families.
12:46This is a flop project.
12:49So you are talking about Pakistan, but you are not.
12:52Yes, Mr. Hashim Dogar, you are my elder brother.
12:55Everyone has the right to give their own decision,
13:02whatever their tweet was.
13:05But I think this was an emotional statement,
13:08but I think Pakistan should be considered first.
13:11Thank you very much, Mr. Onchoy.
13:13Mr. Onchoy, you expressed your views.
13:15You are absolutely right that Pakistan should be the first
13:17and the issues of Pakistan should be the priority of all political parties.
13:22Mr. Haider Naqvi, you are also part of the program.
13:25Okay, tell me, do you want to talk about the issue of missing persons?
13:31Look, when you talk about a missing person,
13:35it means that you are talking about a family
13:40whose person has disappeared.
13:44They don't know where he is.
13:46Now this should be a matter of a family and a state.
13:49It should not be a matter of political parties and a state.
13:53Those people who want to advance their political interests through this
13:57or want to take political benefits should not be concerned.
14:01All those people who present themselves as NGOs
14:06and want to fulfill their interests behind missing persons should not be concerned.
14:12This should be a matter of a family whose person is missing
14:16and it should be a matter of a state or a state-owned institution.
14:19There should also be a dialogue.
14:21The family should also provide evidence as to how the missing person disappeared.
14:26The state should also tell the missing person to the state
14:30as to where he is, how he is involved,
14:35and if he is involved in any activity that is against the state.
14:40It is also the duty of the state to inform the family.
14:43There are scholars in this country who have witnessed
14:47and seen with their own eyes that the terrorists
14:51who killed our Pakistani citizens,
14:56they were martyred.
14:58They were the ones who were made missing persons
15:01and were protested against by the government.
15:04The loyal government of Islamabad protested against those people.
15:09In reality, those people were terrorists
15:12and they have martyred and killed Pakistani people.
15:16But this is secularism and we should look at this matter seriously
15:20and people are being misled again and again.
15:22Let's move on to the next routine story.
15:25Pakistan Muslim League Noon is our favourite Jamaat.
15:28It is a government party.
15:30Punjab has a government, Wafaaq has a government.
15:32When matters reach to this extent,
15:34then I am forced to talk about it.
15:36In recent days, if you remember,
15:38Mr. Javed Lateef has put a very big allegation out of the blue.
15:43He said during the elections,
15:45my circle of friends in Sheikhupura
15:47talked about 70 crores in the ears of Hassan Ayub.
15:50When he was in a television programme,
15:52he talked about 90 crores.
15:54Listen to what he said.
15:56Money was spent in the elections.
15:58No, I am talking about my district.
16:00I am talking about 5 seats.
16:02How much money was spent?
16:04This was so much money that
16:06if you don't give money to Sheikhupura for 5 years of development,
16:09Give a figure.
16:10Crores of crores.
16:12Crores is nothing.
16:13No, crores.
16:14And if you don't give this money to Sheikhupura for 5 years of development,
16:18just take that money from them and invest it,
16:21then in 5 years, Sheikhupura will become Paris.
16:2330 crores?
16:24What?
16:2530 crores?
16:26He is saying a little.
16:2740?
16:28No, no.
16:2950?
16:3060?
16:3170?
16:32I am talking about 90 crores.
16:3390 crores?
16:34For 5 seats.
16:35Absolutely, he talked about 90 crores.
16:37Mr. Rana Sanalo,
16:38who is the President of Pakistan Muslim League Moon Party in Punjab,
16:42when he was asked that
16:44your party's senior leader considers himself a revolutionary,
16:49the chief organiser of the party,
16:51and the chief minister of Punjab, Mr. Marjum,
16:53he is saying such things,
16:54so are you satisfied with this?
16:56Listen to his answer.
16:57Mr. Javed Lateef says that money is also involved in winning and losing.
17:03Mr. Javed Lateef is my brother,
17:05but he is wrong.
17:06He is doing injustice.
17:07It is not like that at all.
17:09I am sure,
17:10as much as I am sure of my election results,
17:16I am so sure that Mr. Javed Lateef has also lost genuinely.
17:22His complaint is that I have lost,
17:25why did Rana Tanveer win?
17:27If Rana Tanveer had lost,
17:29then Mr. Javed Lateef would have been at peace.
17:33I understand his pain and difficulty.
17:36Now he has said 90 crores,
17:38he should talk about 90 crores.
17:43After that, Mr. Javed Lateef,
17:45you must remember,
17:46you also talked about your cadre,
17:49when I talk about myself,
17:51I am told that we will also open a circle of your cadre.
17:54Let me tell you,
17:56when I spoke to a person,
17:59who was in contact with me even before the election,
18:04I told him,
18:05at least get N-114 and N-115 recounted.
18:12He immediately told me that
18:14he will also get N-130 recounted.
18:17Look at the extent of blackmailing.
18:21Mr. Rana Tanveer also denied this statement,
18:24refuted this statement of Mr. Javed Lateef,
18:27that he keeps saying this and that.
18:31He also claims that he will also open a circle of his cadre.
18:40This is very strange.
18:42Who told him this?
18:44If someone told him,
18:46he should have told us first.
18:48He should have told Mr. Javed Lateef,
18:50that a certain person is telling me this.
18:53I don't think anyone told him this,
18:56or he can take someone's name.
19:00Last night,
19:01Mr. Javed Lateef appeared in another television program,
19:04and Mr. Rana Tanveer asked him,
19:06what are you saying?
19:07I have not only kept evidence in front of him,
19:10but also spoke to him on the phone.
19:11Listen to what he is saying.
19:13Before Mr. Rana Tanveer,
19:15two people from the Muslim League
19:17did a demanding program.
19:19Mr. Rana Tanveer did a demanding program?
19:21Yes, this is a demanding program.
19:23Mr. Rana Tanveer, listen.
19:25And this is a demanding program,
19:27because of those people,
19:29about whom I am saying that I have evidence.
19:32I have given some evidence.
19:34To whom?
19:35To those who should have given it.
19:3715-20 days ago,
19:39I spoke to Mr. Rana Tanveer on the phone for 45 minutes.
19:42On the phone?
19:43Yes, on the phone.
19:44And I said on oath,
19:46that I have evidence,
19:48and I have been defeated,
19:50and I have been crushed.
19:52I have evidence.
19:53But Mr. Rana Tanveer
19:55should not have made this wrong statement
19:57that he should have spoken to me.
19:59Because I have already spoken to him.
20:01It seems that Mr. Javed Deep
20:03was very angry.
20:05He said during this interview
20:07that Mr. Rana Tanveer
20:09brought him into the party,
20:11his status,
20:13and he was talking.
20:15He should not have said such things.
20:17So he gave a very harsh criticism.
20:19Mr. Rana Tanveer
20:21was saying to someone
20:23that he should resign.
20:25He was quoting Mr. Rana Tanveer.
20:27I don't like to say
20:29that Mr. Chaudhary Sher Ali
20:31brought you into the party,
20:33put you in his lap,
20:35and what did you do?
20:37I am saying that
20:39the elections of 2018
20:41which we were fighting for,
20:43which we were
20:45anti-voting
20:47for
20:49in 2024,
20:51we were voting for the same election.
20:53So why did Faisalabad lose?
20:55You should have
20:57taken the responsibility.
20:59If I was the president of the district,
21:01I would have resigned.
21:03Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam
21:05Sain, what is happening in Lahore?
21:07Because you know
21:09that all these leaders
21:11of Pakistan Muslim League are found there.
21:13What is the fight?
21:15Because our Tahiyyat leaders
21:17have gone to China
21:19for 5 days.
21:21When they come back from China,
21:23we will talk about this issue.
21:25But what is the issue?
21:27We would like to hear from you in detail.
21:29The issue is that
21:31those who won,
21:33they lost in the night.
21:35They were made to win in the morning.
21:37Mr. Rana Tanveer is right.
21:39They were made to win
21:41when they were wrong.
21:43So now,
21:45if you compare
21:47Mr. Fazlur Rahman's statements
21:49with the statements of others,
21:51then such a serious situation
21:53arises that
21:55there should be an inquiry.
21:57This country is
21:59continuously being hollowed out.
22:01By the way, all those votes
22:03have been counted.
22:05You should be happy
22:07that you have won.
22:09The turnout that happened on 8th February,
22:11people came out on 21st February.
22:13There is a lot of turnout.
22:15So congratulations.
22:17If anyone wants to inquire,
22:19they can do it.
22:21The 23 lakh rupees that were distributed in Punjab,
22:23and on which
22:25Nawaz Sharif was supposed to give money,
22:27he did not do it on that day.
22:29He will do it on some other day.
22:31I know him.
22:33When he became a minister on 25th April, 1981,
22:35from that time, he did not
22:37want to come back.
22:39He is going to say what he has decided to say.
22:41This is a very serious matter.
22:43This will continue to increase.
22:47Why don't you agree
22:49that since Mariam Sahiba has come,
22:51she has been very active in Punjab.
22:53She has been very active
22:55in the administrative machinery of Punjab.
22:57She has been distributing
22:59cheap bread schemes, motorbikes,
23:01cleanliness,
23:03banning plastic.
23:05She is talking about
23:07polythene and
23:09other things.
23:11It is possible that people have
23:13criticized her activities.
23:15She has criticized so much
23:17that she has received only 100 votes
23:19from Nawaz Sharif.
23:21Now she has received 150 votes.
23:23She should talk some sense.
23:25Let's leave this matter.
23:27Let the people of Pakistan
23:29decide these matters.
23:31They have to do it.
23:33If you
23:35take out your hand,
23:37then the next day
23:39what happened to you was the same.
23:41But you also forgive me.
23:43I swear.
23:45I don't say.
23:47Hassan,
23:49Mr. Javed Lateef has corrected
23:51one thing.
23:53If I had been the president of the district level,
23:55I would have resigned.
23:57You said that
23:59this fight is irrelevant.
24:01Please don't tell me
24:03that the president of the party,
24:05Mr. Rana Sanjeev,
24:07what is happening
24:09in your party?
24:11What is the problem?
24:13What is the reason?
24:15Talk to the leaders
24:17of your party.
24:19Our Prime Minister,
24:21Chief Organizer,
24:23why don't you sit in front of them
24:25and talk?
24:27You are right.
24:29I agree with you.
24:31They should not
24:33give proof of irresponsibility.
24:35What is the reason?
24:37They are not young politicians.
24:41Mr. Rana Sanjeev,
24:43who is the president of the party,
24:45still has to give a statement.
24:47Mr. Javed Lateef,
24:49who is an agreed party,
24:51is saying that he has been wronged.
24:53He should take this matter
24:55to a relevant forum.
24:57He should avoid making statements.
24:59You are accusing someone.
25:01You are saying that you have
25:03their audio recordings.
25:05Okay.
25:07Take it to a relevant forum
25:09and prove it.
25:11But the kind of statements
25:13that Mr. Chaudhary Shirley
25:15has made,
25:17the whole of Pakistan
25:19is aware of it.
25:21In the past,
25:23many people have said
25:25that this time
25:27those who are supporting
25:29the other candidate
25:31are broadcasting
25:33against him.
25:35The opposition
25:37is with the other candidate.
25:39This is part of politics.
25:41Some are coming,
25:43some are going.
25:45Many people
25:47were in PTI
25:49and did not return after 9th May.
25:51Some people who left after 9th May
25:53are returning.
25:55This is politics.
25:57Mr. Haider Nagri,
25:59Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru
26:01is saying that
26:03he has evidence.
26:05He has also said
26:07that he has sent it
26:09to the places where it should be sent.
26:11Don't you think that
26:13if the ruling party
26:15is talking about this,
26:17then the election commission
26:19should ask them
26:21about it.
26:23I think they should
26:25ask them.
26:27You are raising
26:29such a big issue.
26:31You are saying
26:33that all the seats
26:35of Shehupura Halka
26:37were sold.
26:39Don't you think
26:41that the election commission
26:43should take action?
26:45First of all,
26:47let's see who is speaking.
26:49Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru
26:51is basically an insecure person.
26:53Let me prove to you
26:55how insecure he is.
26:57Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru
26:59is the same person
27:01who accused
27:03Mr. Murad Saeed
27:05on the floor of the National Assembly.
27:07After that, there was a big
27:09uproar in the National Assembly.
27:11The whole of Pakistan saw it.
27:13It was the beginning
27:15of holding each other's neck.
27:17It was the beginning
27:19of fighting and
27:21it was a matter of shame
27:23and regret
27:25for the Pakistani people
27:27and other parliamentarians.
27:29Look at Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru's past.
27:31He is such an insecure person.
27:33Can you tell us
27:35what a parliamentarian
27:37can say on the floor of the National Assembly?
27:39Mr. Nagbhi, do you know
27:41that Mr. Nawaz Sharif
27:43and Mr. Marjum Sahib
27:45are directly behind him?
27:47We are talking about
27:49Mr. Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Marjum Sahib.
27:51This can only be proven later
27:53by facts.
27:55For this,
27:57there is a need for another debate.
27:59But the written truth
28:01is that who is speaking.
28:03Look at their past.
28:05The politician
28:07you are talking about
28:09was dismissed
28:11by the head of his province.
28:13He clearly said
28:15that what he is saying
28:17is very important.
28:19Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru is saying
28:21that the election was won by giving money.
28:23I don't know if he is talking about
28:25the people of the Muslim League Noon
28:27or the people of the Muslim League Noon
28:29whom he is talking about.
28:31But it is very important
28:33to ask Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru
28:35that for the past five years,
28:37you have been a member of the National Assembly
28:39instead of the National Assembly.
28:41Please call us and other members
28:43of the National Assembly
28:45and show us
28:47what progress you have made
28:49for the people.
28:51Do you want to put the people
28:53behind the truck?
28:55You have not done anything.
28:57You have only put the people
28:59behind the propaganda.
29:01After the break,
29:03we will talk about the
29:05Bianiya fight in Pakistan.
29:07The leaders of the Noon League
29:09have said that the Bianiya
29:11of the past has been snatched
29:13by the Bianiya of the past.
29:15The Bianiya of the past
29:17has been snatched by the Bianiya
29:19of the past.
29:21We will talk about this
29:23in detail after the break.
29:25Welcome back.
29:27Viewers,
29:29thanks to God,
29:31Mr. Hassan Ayub
29:33takes Mr. Rana Sanawla
29:35very seriously.
29:37In the eyes of Mr. Rana Sanawla,
29:39the way he has identified
29:41the failure of the Bianiya,
29:43he was expecting
29:45a two-thirds majority.
29:47But we have failed.
29:49Now he is saying that
29:51the Bianiya of the past
29:53has been snatched by someone else.
29:55Who snatched it?
29:57This time,
29:59the politics of the Bianiya
30:01of the past
30:03did not remain in our part.
30:05It went to the other side.
30:07And
30:09the right thing
30:11for a person,
30:13I think,
30:15a political worker
30:17should accept
30:19what is in his right
30:21and what is not.
30:23Anyway,
30:25Imran Khan has resisted.
30:27Which
30:29was my expectation
30:31that
30:33he would not be able to do.
30:35But he did.
30:37His resistance
30:39or our resistance
30:41is in between.
30:43Mr. Khurram Tasgheer
30:45has also commented
30:47on this statement.
30:49Mr. Khurram, you heard
30:51Mr. Rana's speech.
30:53Will you agree with this?
30:55Yes, to some extent
30:57our political temperament
30:59is that we like heroism
31:01and resistance.
31:03Mr. Ayub,
31:05a majority
31:07of the audience
31:09thought that
31:11Bani PTI
31:13went to jail for two days.
31:15What does he eat?
31:17What does he drink?
31:19He will not be able to live alone.
31:21He was in jail for two to four hours
31:23during the Bihari movement.
31:25After that, he was released.
31:27It is a big surprise for you
31:29that as Mr. Rana
31:31said, we did not expect
31:33that he would stop.
31:35Is it a surprise for you
31:37or is it a routine matter?
31:39He is in jail
31:41and the court has given him a punishment.
31:43He has to go to jail.
31:45He has to go to jail.
31:47People go to jail.
31:49People signed and went to Saudi Arabia.
31:51I think he is sending messages
31:53from everywhere.
31:55You know that people went to Saudi Arabia
31:57and signed and went to London.
31:59Noah Sheikh was doing Moida.
32:01He is saying that he will not sign.
32:03No, no.
32:05He is sending messages.
32:07No one has responded.
32:09I have said this before.
32:11Since the day he was arrested,
32:13if people think that
32:15he has not sent any messages,
32:17then you are mistaken.
32:19I am saying this with great responsibility
32:21that Bani PTI
32:23continuously sends messages
32:25and wants to
32:27improve the situation.
32:29Does he want to go to London
32:31or America?
32:33I do not take his messages.
32:35But I have this information
32:37that he is sending messages.
32:39Before this, people used to
32:41go out of the country.
32:43They used to say such things.
32:45But do you know the difference?
32:47When he was in the government
32:49with Nawaz Sharif,
32:51what happened to him,
32:53when he went to jail,
32:55the whole system was against him.
32:57The establishment was against him.
32:59But he still went.
33:01The establishment was against him.
33:03The main political party
33:05which was not accepted,
33:07was accepted and
33:09was given the government.
33:11At the same time,
33:13the judiciary was providing
33:15complete facilities.
33:17Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
33:19you have heard that
33:21Mr. Hassan Ayub is telling
33:23the Pakistanis
33:25to keep an eye on me.
33:27I do not know where he is going.
33:29I did not tell him to go.
33:31He wants to come out of jail.
33:33It is obvious that
33:35he wants to come out of jail.
33:37But he does not have an
33:39avenue to go.
33:41He has good relations.
33:43His children are abroad.
33:45His children are more
33:47valuable than an avenue.
33:49There is a group of people
33:51who are
33:53trying to kill him.
33:55They are pleading with him.
33:57He was arrested today.
33:59He was in the court today.
34:01They told him to go
34:03and do whatever he wants.
34:05The people have not
34:07listened to him.
34:09They have not come to
34:11meet him.
34:13But if you give me a chance,
34:15Mr. Khabar Lahariya,
34:17in the style of
34:19Haider Naqvi,
34:21I think
34:25that
34:29his mother is also
34:31ill.
34:33I have written a message to her.
34:35That is a different matter.
34:37But
34:39Mr. Khabar Lahariya,
34:41your respected
34:43spokesperson
34:45of Nawaz League
34:47should die.
34:49The statements
34:51made by Rana Chitnawala
34:53and Khurram Dastgir
34:55should be
34:57a thousand times
34:59worse than Javed Latif.
35:01They have
35:03destroyed
35:05their political victory,
35:07their statement,
35:09and their
35:11ideology.
35:13They have made
35:15us innocent.
35:17Mr. Bani
35:19has misjudged
35:21our ideology.
35:23We should have
35:25accepted our defeat.
35:27But we did not.
35:31Mr. Naqvi,
35:33I have told you
35:35that there is an
35:37inquiry going on.
35:39We will see.
35:41Let me add one point.
35:43I agree that the
35:45government of
35:47Nawaz League has lost
35:49its political capital.
35:51But this is not
35:53a clean sweep.
35:55PTI has not
35:57made a government in Punjab.
35:59Mr. Naqvi,
36:01you are a
36:03party president of
36:05Pakistan Muslim League.
36:07Khurram Dastgir is a Gujranwala.
36:09He has been in politics for decades.
36:11He is saying that
36:13whatever we did,
36:15whatever we did,
36:17people go towards
36:19heroism.
36:21People rejected us.
36:23You agree with this.
36:25Why are they saying such things?
36:27What do you think is the reason?
36:29Look,
36:31every politician
36:33has his own
36:35way of doing politics.
36:37But when Mr. Nawaz
36:39left the country and
36:41went to Pakistan,
36:43I will tell you
36:45a logical aspect of it.
36:47What was the reason
36:49that Mr. Nawaz
36:51left the country in
36:532002?
36:55At that time,
36:57Mr. Nawaz was
36:59around 50 years old.
37:01At the age of 50,
37:03a politician sees
37:05a lot of
37:07political progress.
37:09If he leaves the country
37:11and comes back
37:13as a leader after 5-7 years,
37:15he loses that opportunity
37:17because of his age.
37:19Mr. Imran Khan is not
37:21at the age to leave the country
37:23like Mr. Nawaz.
37:25You are very respectable.
37:27This does not make
37:29any sense at this point of time.
37:31If there is a political leader,
37:33regardless if it is Nawaz Sharif,
37:35Imran Khan, Asif Ali Zardari,
37:37or any other leader,
37:39then it means that
37:41at that time, you know,
37:43Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
37:45you know how many countries
37:47you told him to come,
37:49but he said that if I
37:51leave today,
37:53I may not be alive.
37:55You cannot compare
37:57Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
37:59with politics.
38:01Listen to me,
38:03more than one country
38:05said that if I leave today,
38:07I may not be alive.
38:09But these are historical facts.
38:11Let's take a short break.
38:13We will meet you again
38:15after the break.
38:25Welcome back.
38:27Yesterday, when this news
38:29started to be flashed
38:31on various television channels,
38:33the government removed
38:35the names of many former
38:37members of the cabinet
38:39from the list.
38:41And those names were
38:43such that when you saw them,
38:45then of course,
38:47as a political commentator,
38:49the question arises
38:51that what is the reason for this?
38:53If we want you to hear the names,
38:55there is Ali Min Ghandapur Sahib,
38:57there is KPK chief minister,
38:59he is also accused in various cases.
39:01Then there is Ghulam Sarwar,
39:03he had become a part of IPP,
39:05but his name was still there.
39:07I don't know why it took so long.
39:09Then there is Murad Saeed,
39:11he is also there.
39:13I don't know where he is these days.
39:15But his name is also there.
39:17Then there is Pervez Khattak,
39:19I understand this because
39:21he has given statements.
39:23Pervez Khattak has also been removed.
39:25This is also not an issue.
39:27Then there is Brigadier Ijaz Shah.
39:29He was a former,
39:31you know he was an interior minister.
39:33Ali Zaidi Sahib,
39:35his name has also been removed.
39:37Khusro Bakhtiar Sahib.
39:39After that,
39:41on whom your ears stand,
39:43Azam Swati Sahib
39:45has been removed.
39:47Asad Umar Sahib,
39:49you know they have separated
39:51and left politics.
39:53Then there is Umar Youb Sahib,
39:55he is presently in the opposition.
39:57There are a lot of cases,
39:59charges that are filed
40:01on a daily basis.
40:03Hassan Youb Sahib,
40:05especially the incidents that have happened,
40:07that these people are a fascist party,
40:09a militant party.
40:11Mehboob Sultan Sahib,
40:13Farooq Naseem Sahib,
40:15Shireen Mazari Sahib,
40:17all these people have been removed.
40:19Now when a question was asked
40:21to Khurram Dasgir Sahib,
40:23she was talking about CBMs.
40:25What is Confidence Building Measures?
40:27Is it really CBM?
40:29We will talk about this.
40:31Let's first listen to Khurram Dasgir.
40:55Khurram Dasgir is going towards those
40:57who do not have any legal cases
40:59against them.
41:01That is why they have been removed.
41:03They are free to travel outside.
41:05Rana Salawa Sahib said
41:07in more than one of his interviews
41:09that if you want to
41:11provide political stability
41:13to the country,
41:15then it is very important
41:17that all political leaders,
41:19including Bani PTI,
41:21have to talk.
41:23There are only three parties
41:25who can solve this problem.
41:27They are Mian Nawaz Sharif,
41:29Asif Zardari and Imran Khan.
41:31They have to solve this problem.
41:33What I have said is that
41:35these are the three realities.
41:37If they sit together,
41:39the country will come out of this crisis.
41:41Will Mian Nawaz Sharif accept these three realities?
41:43Mian Nawaz Sharif will be ready to sit.
41:45He spoke at Minar-e-Pakistan.
41:47The country will come out of this crisis
41:49if all of us,
41:51including Imran Khan,
41:53the establishment,
41:55and the political parties,
41:57sit together
41:59and solve this problem.
42:01Today, when we were asked
42:03about the PTI jokes,
42:05as we receive daily reports
42:07that the PTI is making jokes,
42:09Barrister Gohar met Bani PTI
42:11in the jail.
42:13When he was asked if they were making jokes,
42:15listen to what he said.
42:17This question was asked
42:19that maybe some politicians
42:21and some people from the institutions
42:23are trying to play a role.
42:25Mr. Khan has completely denied
42:27that we have not received any message.
42:29Nor has Mr. Khan received any message.
42:31Nor has he said that I have received
42:33any message as the chairman of PTI.
42:35Nor have I received any message.
42:37Nor has it come to the leadership
42:39of our party.
42:41So, we are not going to have any such negotiations.
42:43There have been no negotiations.
42:45I have said before that if there is
42:47any message from our party
42:49and someone is going to do it,
42:51we will inform you.
42:53God willing, we will do it openly.
42:55Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Khan,
42:57how will the solution
42:59of all these issues be found?
43:01In the last few days,
43:03one of his senior leaders
43:05from Peshawar won the election.
43:07Shandana Gulzar Sahiba said
43:09that we are ready to sit down
43:11but we have three conditions.
43:13Return our mandate,
43:15our women prisoners
43:17and the government will decide
43:19about them.
43:21Where do you think
43:23the breaking point will be?
43:25Where will our political parties
43:27sit together?
43:29Where will there be political
43:31participation in Pakistan?
43:33I will say a few things.
43:35Please.
43:37If you don't like it,
43:39then you can cut it.
43:41Yes, absolutely.
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