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00:00:00That's kind of cool. I I don't think it was that cool cuz it was cool, so wait hold on
00:00:05You say it was cool. You say it wasn't that cool. Which one is it cuz I'm the only one who doesn't know
00:00:09What's going on? I I don't think it was cool. I think you know what it is a counterpoint the
00:00:16On today's part of my take we have our good friend Todd McShay it is draft week
00:00:22We're gonna break down the draft with him. We're doing our draft analysis
00:00:26We're gonna have some more on Wednesday, but we started off kick it off with our good friend Todd McShay
00:00:32We're gonna talk some playoffs. It is playoff time. We got NBA playoffs. We got Stanley Cup playoffs
00:00:38We got some overreaction to do to game one
00:00:42Nothing better than having a game one and being like well
00:00:44That's how the rest of the series is gonna go series over series over home waves will win every game
00:00:50Yeah, we're gonna do some who's back of the week
00:00:54We got mr.. Pair who is now owing to
00:00:57Terrible terrible turtle he's awful. He's a fucking piece of mush
00:01:02He's a goddamn piece of shit, but he will have a pick and we'll
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00:01:43Monday night, there's a lot of action in the NBA we got Knicks
00:01:48Sixers game to
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00:03:11it is
00:03:13playoff
00:03:14Season Hank put it perfectly he said there's no better
00:03:18Couple of weeks here where we have game after game after game NBA playoffs have kicked off
00:03:24Stanley Cup playoffs have started
00:03:27PFT yes, you want to overreact?
00:03:30Yeah, the Los Angeles Clippers are going to win the West. Oh
00:03:35Not they're like they're gonna compete
00:03:37Hey
00:03:37I said that mostly just to get Hank's hopes up because Hank is grasping at all the straws if you just if you throw any
00:03:43Team out there any one individual player that you think can shut Jokic down
00:03:48Hank's like yep
00:03:48Yep
00:03:49Because he just doesn't want to see the Nuggets Hank has gotten to the point where he admitted to us that he
00:03:54Looked already at the NBA finals schedule and was saying it's gonna be a tough schedule for him
00:03:59And he was like game game fours on a Friday in Denver like going through it like that where it's just set
00:04:06Well, he was looking at how it lined up with the show. So he'd have to record
00:04:09Yeah, he wants to go in the wood
00:04:10He wants to or he would have to record I think at least a couple pods right after games, right? Yeah on the wood
00:04:17Well, no, I don't want to I would only trying to go to the wood on non-recording nights
00:04:21But game one and two which would be home games because Celtics have the best record in the NBA
00:04:25Are on a Thursday and Sunday?
00:04:27Well Hank you did fire me the fuck up with your tweet being like this is it the two weeks my favorite two weeks
00:04:33I'm happy you took that because I I feel like I am guilty of having way too many favorites. Yeah
00:04:38What are your favorite weeks? I know that your conference championship week is your favorite week feast week is your favorite week? Yep
00:04:45Wildcard weekend super wildcard weekend. I like divisional weekend. That's I also sneaky like conference championship week Sunday
00:04:51Yeah, I just like the variety because it's
00:04:55Obviously, it's also that you know the first two weeks of the year. I'm really getting into hockey, but it's every
00:05:00Every single start of hockey. Yeah, you you or you you get to have your one-seed Celtics play and also the start of hockey
00:05:08Season at the same time and every hockey playoff game is just the best the crowds are crazy
00:05:14Never over well, it's way different than the regular season if we should do Mount Rushmore of weeks
00:05:19Yeah for this Mount Rushmore. Yes, there's a lot of meat on that yes
00:05:22Oh world Cup week great week right when it kicks off. Yeah, I just like the two different sports
00:05:27That's where it's hard to beat this two weeks if you do have two teams in the playoffs in the NBA and the NHL
00:05:33This is it's a great time. You really can't get anything done at work. Yeah, all right
00:05:37Well, so let's let's overreact some games you want to just go chronological order in the games this weekend, and then we'll do hockey
00:05:43Because by the way like you you saying that every second is a heart attack
00:05:47I feel like the Bruins just spanked the Leafs every year
00:05:50Well, yeah, I just be a memory of just I don't maybe it happened like twice
00:05:54But it feels like it happens all the time no more than twice the Bruins the Maple Leafs are the 76ers of the NHL. Oh
00:06:00to your specific
00:06:02Team yeah, they're always you know regular season crazy fan base
00:06:05And then they played the Boston team and get smoked and their fans caused them to lose without fail. Yeah, okay
00:06:12So let's say it's because a matchup and it's like they haven't caught out of the first round their matchup
00:06:15This is San Sona off against a hockey puck and the Pucks gonna win that one. Yeah, all right
00:06:19So let's let's go through some games. Let's talk some games
00:06:22They are we game one so it's not totally overreact, but let's overreact the first game which was perfect
00:06:29It was the Saturday
00:06:31Noon game is just a perfect analogy for the the Texans game on Saturday for wild-card weekend
00:06:39But Cavs magic the Cavs and magic are doing throwback basketball. They're playing they should actually play this
00:06:44They should play this series in like grainy footage because it is 90s basketball defense
00:06:50Both teams are really good defensively and I'm just gonna throw this out here
00:06:55A
00:06:56Bad strategy if you do Orlando magic to have your three
00:07:01Point guards go combined over 17. Yeah, not good
00:07:05Not not a good one to have but I think this is gonna be one of those series that the Cavs are gonna win
00:07:10I think they'll win both at home. Then the magic will win a couple at their home
00:07:14Yeah, the season the series hasn't even started yet
00:07:16They do have to put the ball in the basket though, because the Cavs
00:07:19The Cavs shot 27% from three and they won by 14
00:07:23Yeah, like it was tough. And again, it is like the magic have
00:07:27Statistically one of the best or if not the best defenses in the NBA and the Cavs are also very good defense
00:07:34Defensively when they ratchet it up, but it was it was tough to watch
00:07:37It was hard for them to put the ball in the basket. Did you also see in this game?
00:07:41We had the first two minutes Jake maybe take off your headphones. Don't listen this part with the first two minutes of the game
00:07:47There's technical difficulties. No announcers and it was so nice
00:07:51It matched up perfectly with this game
00:07:53It was so nice because it was like you're you're going back in time a little bit with the announcers
00:07:59Sometimes this happens like once a year
00:08:01It'll happen in a football game where you get usually like college football
00:08:04maybe like some like the third rate Big Ten game the sound audio issues cut out for like 10 minutes and you're like
00:08:10It's kind of nice just hearing this nice. Let the game talk
00:08:14We don't need anyone telling us in fact
00:08:16some of the best things that we ever say to Joe Buck like you nailed that call because
00:08:19You didn't talk you let the moment breathe
00:08:22Maybe they should just not talk all the time. I would love to hear Tony Romo not talk
00:08:26I can listen to Tony Romo not talk for hours. Jake. Do you think there was like an emergency text message with like?
00:08:33iron Eagle like Kevin Harlan Jim Nance like
00:08:37They they figured out that they don't need us
00:08:40No, that'll never happen people say that and they'll after 10 minutes. They'll be like, all right, it's nice to have we just spent
00:08:4610 minutes last week on this show talking about how much Verne Lundquist means to the game of golf
00:08:50That's that's my god is different. Yeah, it's different and also Vern is a legend
00:08:54Yeah, I know but I'm just saying like you guys try to know answers. No, but it was nice
00:08:59It was it was just nice
00:09:00Maybe it was cuz I like just hearing the crowd all juiced up
00:09:03Because no one talks about what announcers are good people just love to trash them. I'll tell you what
00:09:07No, we literally just you like Vern Lundquist
00:09:10No, I'm just saying like the casual the casual fan is just they're only saying bad things about about broad Jake
00:09:16Are you concerned at all that?
00:09:18One day, they'll just come up with AI. Yeah, and they'll have a I Brent Musburger announcing a game and we'll be like, this is awesome
00:09:24Yeah, maybe I'll give an alternate version. Oh, yeah, I John Madden would be great. I'm sign me up right alternate version with Nat sounds but
00:09:31No, I I think within sports media there will always be you don't need for playback
00:09:37You know what it is. It's way more easy to tolerate if it's at a home game
00:09:41Yeah
00:09:42Get the crowd vibe if this was in Orlando and the magic was playing that poorly and get the shit kicked out of him
00:09:47It would it would feel awkward. It would be like this is cringe
00:09:50Well, I need to hear something just to make me feel not weird
00:09:52Yeah, and it was also the way the game started the the 90 seconds that there was no announcer
00:09:57I think was Max truce hit a three and then Donovan Mitchell hit a three and it was like the place was just fucking going
00:10:02Nuts. Yeah, I don't know what it says about me. But every time I watch the heat play
00:10:06I'm like Max truce is definitely still on that team somewhere
00:10:08I'm hoping Cleveland can win a series because you know fun fact little fun fact
00:10:13the Cleveland Cavaliers
00:10:14Dan Gilbert has never won a playoff series without LeBron James
00:10:18But he wrote that comic sans letter that told me that they were gonna win a title before LeBron did yeah
00:10:23He's never won a playoff series interesting
00:10:25So actually maybe the playoffs haven't started for him. They haven't started. He's never won a playoff series. Yeah
00:10:31Cleveland's fun. And honestly, I think the magic are fun. They're a little bit young
00:10:35They need to make a couple additions here there, you know, they need more cards they need Mo Wagner. Yeah, but point card
00:10:41Yeah, it Oh for 17 point cards tough. Mm-hmm. That's not great. I'm just excited to watch a series where it just
00:10:49The total just keeps ticking lower and lower. I think it was like 208 now. It's the game twos 202
00:10:55I wouldn't be shocked if we get to like the 190s low 190s because
00:10:59There again a lot of great defense but also some not great shooting yeah, okay next game we had on
00:11:07Saturday Suns and T Wolves
00:11:09Just a general thought to before we talk basketball the T Wolves should just stick with their throwbacks
00:11:16Those are so clean the the center court the the the home whites. They're so clean
00:11:22Yeah, we go through this
00:11:22it's like cyclical with a lot of teams where you you long for their throwbacks and then the they are the last team to change
00:11:28up their old uniforms
00:11:30You know like these look corny as hell and you desperately want to change and then ten years goes by you're like damn
00:11:35Those were way better than these right because they're I think they're regular ones are just kind of like new age
00:11:41You know with the font like the blue and the the lime green kind of thing
00:11:45Yeah, just like see right throwback
00:11:47They're kind of like Seahawks vibes the old ones with the like solid green the green that's like Ninja Turtle green in your face
00:11:53Yeah, I like that this game
00:11:55Passing the torch Pat Anthony Edwards is is a legit superstar now. That was so awesome
00:12:01That was such a great moment because if people missed it Anthony Edwards played great the the T Wolves were awesome
00:12:06And he was talking so much shit to KD and KD was kind of laughing about it
00:12:13He couldn't do anything about yeah like yeah, you're right
00:12:15You're kind of you're kind of dunking on me right and it wasn't KD's fault KD played
00:12:18Well, I think the timberwolves were basically like let's just let KD play isoball and eliminate Booker who was a no-show
00:12:25but it was it was a cool moment and
00:12:29Here's my fun stat. I have some fun stats for every game. Here's my fun staff for this game
00:12:34Rudy Gobert had 16 rebounds the Suns as a team had 28. It's pretty bad
00:12:40They were it was crazy
00:12:42how much how many second shots the T Wolves got and just were so much more physical and I
00:12:50Why don't the Suns get more shit?
00:12:52well
00:12:53Here's the thing about the Suns
00:12:56They're missing Chris Paul, they are missing Chris Paul big-time
00:12:59That's what that's one
00:13:00and then you've got a bunch of teams in the West that are now playing to determine who the real problem who was the
00:13:05Guy that that was responsible for fucking up the entire Nets experiment. Yeah, but it and
00:13:11KD he's just not tough, but it doesn't it feel well, I he did play well
00:13:15It's it though his teammates did not like that's the point is like it was if you if you go down the list, right?
00:13:22If the Bucs go out early, that's a big story. Giannis goes out early if the Clippers
00:13:26Oh my god
00:13:27another failed year the Lakers like all these teams as Celtics they lose before the finals big T
00:13:33I feel like the Suns lose everyone's like, oh, okay, even though that they they are
00:13:37Another big threes quote-unquote should have been a Beal Booker and Kevin Durant. I feel like they kind of skate by yeah
00:13:44Again, this is an overreaction. They easily can win this series
00:13:47Although I don't know how they're gonna rebound if Rudy Gobert is gonna do that every game
00:13:51Just just two years ago. We had the Suns and four guy. Yeah Suns were looking good. Remember him future look bright
00:13:57Yeah, that guy on the show. Yeah, he came on the show. That's quite a moment guy was awesome
00:14:00He was the guy was awesome. Yeah, but yeah, they were just they're punishing punishing the Nuggets, right?
00:14:06Yeah, and how quickly things have changed?
00:14:08Yeah, obviously injuries have a lot to do that and you're right like Katie is he's not the problem
00:14:12But building a big three out of Booker Katie and Beal that's it's a soft big three, right?
00:14:18It's the same. They don't get it a lot of shit. I don't know like if they get bounced in the first round
00:14:22I don't know. Well people people just like oh, well Katie's kind of old
00:14:25They need they need somebody that can light a fire on it that they would actually tip over the higher seed
00:14:30I understand but the Suns are when they were constructed. Everyone's like they're a problem. Yeah, they need to write
00:14:37They need to get a psycho on that team
00:14:40Mate Booker needs to go up a level. That's that's all you got to say. Yeah, whenever whenever you have disappoints
00:14:45I guess now it's kind of a psycho though. Grayson Allen's a good basketball. You got paid
00:14:49He's got paid a lot of money
00:14:50He's all he does is hit threes and he still wears those weird Forrest Gump ankle braces, which should always make me laugh
00:14:57Mm-hmm. He turned his ankle in this game. Uh, okay T walls in for
00:15:01Whoever wins game one is four and five. Ah, I that'll go six or seven. Yeah, I do too. I know five as well
00:15:08Booker can't Booker has to play
00:15:11better
00:15:12Yeah, I what did he end up I think he ended up like 17 points which you he had a way they're built in the way
00:15:1818 the way they're built like KD Booker Beal have to score 70 points at least and
00:15:25So I'm putting that one on him. I'm not putting that one on kitty. I'm putting that one on on Booker
00:15:30So maybe I'm the one who's soft and giving him a pass
00:15:33Nick Sixers
00:15:35What a game
00:15:37Garden was rocking. I
00:15:39love I
00:15:40Was actually gonna give max if the Sixers had won this game
00:15:44I was gonna give max a big compliment because it felt like this was the dawning of a new max because in bead
00:15:51Goes down on an awesome dunk looks like the season is over yet again
00:15:57And then max I went to look in it
00:15:59See if he was spiraling and he just had Sixers second half game of the year now
00:16:02They end up losing the game, but they did cover the second half max
00:16:06I think it honestly just comes down to the fact that the Knicks like
00:16:10Role players are better than the Sixers role players
00:16:13Yeah, I mean, it's game one. This is overreactions. Oh, yeah
00:16:17If you speak bride in your face, yeah, 21 points, we're gonna do that every game
00:16:22I mean if you were to know he's not gonna Tobias Harris never gonna know he's he's terrible
00:16:26But I mean we had Nick Batum go for 20 25 the day before it's just they didn't show up yesterday
00:16:33Yeah, how many how many points did he have and he had three like three points?
00:16:37Yeah, it's in in role players do play better at home. Yeah, so that's definitely part of it. We're like, yeah
00:16:43Josh Hart scored more than he usually does Josh Hart was made down the end in the end of the game
00:16:48Josh Hart made every single shot. Yeah, you're gonna have games like that and they won by seven points
00:16:53I'm interested in like mentally where you're at when you're watching this game when when Jill and Brunson does something awesome
00:16:58Is there like a quarter of a second where you're pumped up and then you have to be like, oh shit
00:17:03Well Brunson kind of played like shit. Yeah, but you know I'm saying like he gave all the credit to do
00:17:08When any of those Nova guys when they do something cool for a second just a second. Are you like, oh, that was awesome
00:17:14Josh Hart. No Brunson
00:17:17There's there's just a special place in my heart for Jalen Brunson. So it's it's tough but like
00:17:21No, he's the enemy right now. He's the enemy Dante good Italian boy. I know I love Dante
00:17:26Dante valet his car when I was parking when I was in college. Did you scratch it up?
00:17:31Whoa, I was I was joking. No, I was just thinking about it because I was gonna I don't think he tipped and I remember I
00:17:38was like
00:17:41Yeah college kid before NIL before NIL and I Ellie would have given you like a hundred grand
00:17:47Well, he was going to like a really nice steakhouse. So
00:17:50Interesting. Oh, so Jay, right
00:17:52Maybe paying the players off the books
00:17:54That's how is he affording that what kind of car it was the shittiest car. What did it smell like?
00:18:00I don't I don't know probably smelled like a like a college kids car. Okay, what does that smell like weed?
00:18:07It smelled like weed. So Jay Wright had
00:18:09Players getting free meals left and right and just not boxing their cars. Not true. Yeah
00:18:14So where's your head at for this series, but in bead?
00:18:19made a glass
00:18:21Hank I would like to get your take on him bead. What do you mean?
00:18:24You came back in the game, but like again, I don't want to I don't want to be a hater
00:18:28But it's like this isn't even about you. Why like I was gonna ask I asked for his thoughts
00:18:34Because there's nothing better than when Hank can can smirk and just be right about this
00:18:40Oh the playoffs if you make it to the finals
00:18:43It's a long run like how many games you think can beat has anyone came in? He's already. Yeah, he's seven
00:18:49I don't think they're gonna win the fucking finals. I'm just trying to take it one game at a time when he falls
00:18:54New max every single time he falls down and you're like, oh that's the end for him bead. Yeah eight months. That's a problem
00:19:00I have a go ahead backs. What do you think me the allegations in bead made a glass?
00:19:05Learned how to fall better. Remember? Yeah, I said that for like three months
00:19:09No, no, that was the thing because everyone's like he falls he falls
00:19:11But yeah, he was told to fall because it's better for injury than trying to brace the impact
00:19:16But he also gets injured more than anyone in the world. That's not true. Anthony Davis gets injured all the time
00:19:22Yeah, Matt Max is stealing my tail back
00:19:25Max was saying like yeah, he gets injured and then five minutes later, you know, he's gonna be back in
00:19:29I was like, oh it could be worse could be Anthony Davis every time he gets injured
00:19:32He like leaves the game for 15 minutes and goes to the locker room and then he comes back. You're like, oh shit
00:19:37I thought he was dead
00:19:39Somehow he's out here playing so I respect that
00:19:41You always if you're in if you're boxed in as a fan
00:19:44You got to just find someone else be like no that guy. He's way worse. You're correct about that. Take Max
00:19:50Zion to always I on good. Yeah last point Zion and Joe came back and had a good game
00:19:57Chauncey Porter's not playing anymore
00:20:00Gambling on gambling on games get a lifetime band didn't do that. Yeah. What about Hank? What about Giddy?
00:20:05How come we're not talking about Giddy? He's in the playoffs too. Yeah, he should
00:20:11That was shot our guy Michael Malone just giving kitty a compliment unprompted. Yeah, it was all strictly on the court
00:20:18Yeah, yeah, he said, you know, he dealt with some stuff on between the lines. Yeah. All right, so so
00:20:25Not made a glass
00:20:27Okay. I have another question for you Max
00:20:30buddy healed
00:20:34He's streakers streaky shooter, okay, why doesn't he shoot I
00:20:40There is he doesn't shoot when Embiid is when Embiid is on the court like he's like scared to shoot. It's crazy
00:20:47He was he's there to shoot the basketball and he doesn't shoot
00:20:51There were at the end of that there was one possession at the end of that game
00:20:55Where he it was just like an in in rhythm shot that we needed to go down
00:21:00And then I think we ended up like getting a like a shot clock because we just didn't get a shot
00:21:04He doesn't shoot. I don't get it
00:21:05Like he's his whole reason for being there is to shoot and then he just won't shoot. Yeah, it's crazy
00:21:14We're the fans in Philly gonna chant that you can't chant MVP this year, obviously
00:21:19When when maxi shooting free throws are they gonna chant for most improved player? MIP MIP and my
00:21:29He was good maxi maxi he was good last year though, why does he win the MIP?
00:21:34Well, he was the number three. He wasn't as good last year. No, I know but he was good
00:21:38Yeah, it's really just going from the number three all relative
00:21:41Last year, you said build around maxi and I made fun of you for that and I would like to rescind that take
00:21:47He's very good. He is very good. But actually no, I don't listen that take because he's very good now
00:21:52He's the most improved player for a reason back when I said it I was right and now I'm right for acknowledging that he is
00:21:58good
00:21:59Credit credit to you. Yeah
00:22:02Do you think that the Sixers coaching staff and players goes over end of game situations and like, you know
00:22:08If you're down five with 45 seconds left, the only way to win is to foul or you have a team's don't foul in the NBA
00:22:15It's crazy. They just don't
00:22:17It's it's you get distorted watching college basketball where it's like they'll start following with three minutes left. I don't understand it
00:22:25It was mathematically and I agree with you
00:22:27They don't they were playing defense to hope to get the ball back with like seven seconds
00:22:31Yeah to then have to hit a three to then have to get the ball back
00:22:35Don't do it cuz Nick nurse says that he has some tricks ready to go. Yeah. Oh, he's got some tricks
00:22:40I don't know what Nick nurses tricks are gonna be
00:22:42But reports are out there that he has established tricks and discuss some tricks the quote Nick Batum
00:22:47Hinting potential tricky stuff tricky stuff for game two adjustments for Nick nurse last night
00:22:52We know what we did wrong and we found a way I think this morning to do something special with us
00:22:56I won't tell you what tricky stuff would be with the would
00:23:00Doing tricks finding tricks. Is that one step ahead like before the panic button?
00:23:06I'd say if you're funny, that's a panic move. Yeah, right
00:23:08Yeah, like to have to go game two we need the tricks. Yeah, you can't beat him straight up
00:23:12We're gonna throw some sand in there. Okay, Joel
00:23:15you're gonna get on your hands and knees and bark like a dog and then they'll look at you and then max you'll just
00:23:19Drive to the hole and dunk you see if we had a ladder underneath the arena we can hit him with yeah
00:23:24He's gonna get the one game he's watching Globetrotters
00:23:28Trick one game if it's early to go to the tricks. Yeah, but like what if the tricks are awesome?
00:23:33So hot where are you on your?
00:23:35Well, it won't say panic button. Where are you on the tricks meter?
00:23:38And I mean you need all the tricks right now. This is a must-trick Sam
00:23:42Yeah, you must you're gonna win the series six are you in the series? Oh plus I think it's plus 250 soul patch. No
00:23:49No, I'm already really invested. So I don't know so I don't think that I have to do any bets
00:23:52Okay, I do think I did want to commend you though. I feel like it's a dawning of a new match
00:23:57You were way more. Oh, yeah. No, it's something about the Knicks like I don't know Knicks fans are annoying and
00:24:03they get it so cocky and I'm like
00:24:06Now you want to talk about they also have a shit. It's kind of like yeah spider-man. Yeah
00:24:14Literally scheduling his his cuts to Denver the the New York Knicks are the apps are in the booth. They're legendary
00:24:21They're incredible their fan base is awesome at winning a playoff game and then getting way ahead of themselves
00:24:26And I love it. So they started the we want Boston chant. Oh, that's game. That's not even next round. No. Yeah
00:24:33run free Hank, I
00:24:35Mean they shut down 7th Ave after they won one game against the Hawks. Yeah, I lost the series in five
00:24:40Yeah, yeah, but it was sick. Those videos
00:24:44Also, that was the crowning of future superstar Trey young yeah that series that's a fact that's a fact
00:24:50Okay, the night game
00:24:52Lakers Nuggets, I
00:24:54Fucking love the Lakers and Nuggets because it's literally the same thing every time this makers come out to a lead
00:25:01LeBron has a great first quarter. If you look at just the stats you could tell yourself that Anthony Davis and Jokic
00:25:08Were like played to a stalemate, but if you watch the game Jokic controlled everything and the Nuggets
00:25:15Like as soon as soon as the Lakers need like someone other than Anthony Davis or LeBron James to do something
00:25:21The Nuggets just like kick their ass and they win by what they end up winning by they won by 11 and everyone's like
00:25:29Lakers are so close. Yeah. Well the first half
00:25:31Yeah
00:25:32the first
00:25:32happens in every one of these the first half was really close and then if you're if you know ball at all you load up
00:25:38On the Nuggets in the second half because it's not sustainable what they're doing in the Nuggets
00:25:42they can just beat you in too many ways and
00:25:43Jokic is just too smart of a guy to let you do the exact same thing for two halves and get away with it
00:25:48it's it's actually really nice that the Nuggets do this for the discourse because
00:25:52Everyone just gets to go out on their shows and be like Lakers are right there
00:25:56Which are so close which I like I I really know
00:25:59I love it actually because it allows us to then be very disappointed in LeBron. Yes, when it doesn't happen
00:26:06Yeah
00:26:06I mean like they
00:26:08They trick you into thinking that they're good enough to compete and good enough to beat the Nuggets
00:26:11The Nuggets are just on a completely different level from they played probably like a B B minus game and won by a lot
00:26:18And it's in it's in look we like Nick Ray. He's a friend of ours, but like he does his like first quarter
00:26:23He's like no one's ever gonna see this again with LeBron James
00:26:26Look LeBron. It's insane what LeBron is doing at 39
00:26:29He does not have the stamina to do it for four quarters like you saw it
00:26:33He scored I think maybe two or four points in garbage time with like the under a minute left in the fourth quarter
00:26:39He runs out of gas and no one else like the other guys have to do stuff
00:26:43And they're not able to D'Angelo Russell was terrible
00:26:47Mm-hmm
00:26:47and he's got and they just
00:26:49Also, I like the Lakers just stop running plays when like as soon as as soon as some as soon as Jokic starts taking over
00:26:55The game they're like, all right, let's just go start chucking some threes and hope this works and it doesn't work
00:27:00We just get hot if we said we turn into a just one half
00:27:04We just if we're up by any points or if we're tied at halftime
00:27:08Let's just try to get to the second and all we have to do is win one half and anyone can get hot for a
00:27:12Half so everyone just keeps shooting it. Somebody's gonna be hot. Hopefully that'll work its way out
00:27:16It's it's not gonna work its way out against the Nuggets
00:27:18It's it's just I love I love these two teams playing against each other because just it's it's the same game every single time
00:27:24And it's did you see I gotta find it Jamel Hill's tweet from last year has become a meme that people were
00:27:32we're
00:27:33We're using we're copying and everyone was like people were confused with she said this she said this last year a win is a win
00:27:39I think it was after game one, but if I'm Denver, I treat this like a loss Lakers figured out something by putting Hachimura on Jokic
00:27:45That's one of those somewhat small adjustments can win a series. No, it's not. No, it's not. The Nuggets are better than the Lakers
00:27:51Yeah, Hachimura is not sorry Hank. He's not the Jokic stopper. Yeah, I have to keep looking for somebody else
00:27:57Cuz it's not it's not gonna be anybody on this Lakers team. Like I don't know LeBron Anthony Davis
00:28:03A little magic, you know what I mean?
00:28:05Like if you look at the if you look at the box score, you're like Anthony Davis
00:28:08He was very good and you're like, oh, okay. He went toe-for-toe. He ended up with 32 14 and 5 and Jokic was
00:28:1732
00:28:1812 and 7 so you're like, oh
00:28:21Like that's what you got Anthony Davis played Jokic to it
00:28:24But that's just not if you watch the game Jokic just controls everything the series game is in the palm of his hands
00:28:29The series frankly was over when Jokic stepped out of his car wearing the outfit from despicable me, dude
00:28:34He's dressed up as grew before the game
00:28:35I love I love him so much the fact that he doesn't really do that much advertising and then he was like, you know what?
00:28:42Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the the the main advertiser for despicable me for yeah, it's great
00:28:49And I actually kind of like his commercial where he's talking about it's great saving up miles to go to Serbia
00:28:54Yeah, yeah, but the yeah, the despicable me promo was awesome in all the what do they call minions minions?
00:29:01I've watched it. It's actually a very funny movie. Trust me. I've never seen it
00:29:04I I watched with my kids and it it's it's a great massively massively successful. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a perfect
00:29:11I've never seen kids movie because the the minions like fall and like they bump their heads and they speak gibberish
00:29:18So it's like a lot of like Michael Scott kids laughs
00:29:21Yeah, would I would I be totally lost if I just watched minions without watching despicable me? We know that
00:29:28No
00:29:32Dressed up to they have their own ride at Universal
00:29:35See, I just want to read is the most recent one. I think there's multiple minions. Which one did I watch?
00:29:41You might have watched it was the one everyone dressed up in like tuxedos, too
00:29:45I think I just watched me went to the movie
00:29:46I might just hop right in just cold turkey right into minions without any of the lore or the backstory
00:29:52I watched minions memes is raising his hand. Yes memes. You may talk
00:29:56Minions is a prequel to despicable me. Oh, yeah, because his minions the one where they go
00:30:01They show like the history of time with the minions. Yeah, then I saw minions great movie in England
00:30:08Yeah, they do like a Forrest Gump minions max pulled up the official timeline
00:30:14So there was the original despicable me in 2010 and then there were two minions versions that are prequels, but they were
00:30:21filmed out of order
00:30:23Filmed well, they were released out of order. It's based on a true story. It's true. Yeah. Yeah, it's documentary
00:30:29Wait, wait, so you're implying that there's an entire minion verse that
00:30:33Exists just like the normal universe does where everything that happens in our life also happens to the minions
00:30:39Yeah, so like 9-11 happened to yes, no they did they went through it all yeah, yeah like JFK
00:30:47Yes, a minion JFK. There were many there were many good minions. Oh, yeah. Yeah sides
00:30:53Larry Nance just scored his eighth point
00:30:57Turns into
00:30:58Squidward, I just love that. I love this Lakers Nuggets series. Do you think the Lakers can can do it?
00:31:03Hank I want to believe I
00:31:06Mean I look really stupid, but I just think that I think the Nuggets I
00:31:10think the Nuggets are
00:31:12We do it all the time in sports
00:31:13Where a team won a title and then they maybe aren't as dominant the next year and everyone's like put trying to poke holes
00:31:20It's like Nuggets when they when it's they're all healthy and it's those five guys. They're just really fucking good. Yeah, they're a problem
00:31:29I'll be just rooting best best case or you know at the very least just for some six seven game series
00:31:35Get tired. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you want to see you're already doing the the rest like you want to wear down
00:31:42We're two months away from the NBA Finals
00:31:45Yeah, hopefully it's two months of war
00:31:47Yeah, Hank Hank wants Hank wants Jokic after like three games to be talking about going back to his horses already
00:31:53Some are saying you're you're kind of scared because why would it good? No, but if you're so good, why wouldn't you say?
00:32:00Hey, we're so good. We don't care. However, we get there
00:32:03Whoever we play however much rest they have it doesn't matter. We're the best team
00:32:07You're already trying to do you're actually on you're one step away from panic button. You're trying to do tricks
00:32:13You're doing tricks on it little bro. No, I'm giving the Nuggets the respect they deserve their low-key glazing them
00:32:19Yeah, they're they're fucking good
00:32:21Yeah, they are. They're really good and the thing about like we talked about this was Mike Michael Malone
00:32:27Excuse me when we interviewed him last week
00:32:29But there I don't think they've reached the point where anybody really hates the Nuggets right on a national level
00:32:33No, we're still like this definitely not. This is beautiful basketball to watch unhated. They're fun
00:32:37I think they got two more. They got two more chips in them before they become hateable
00:32:42I don't even know how you would hate. Where would you start with Jokic to hate him the Jokic brothers a little shady?
00:32:47No, Michael Porter jr. A little shady. No family a little
00:32:51Great guy shout out Michael Porter jr
00:32:54Because him having like I would not stand in front of the media and take that question where they were like
00:33:00Hey, so one of your brothers going to jail and the other one just got you the NBA
00:33:04How you feeling and he answered it like very very well, very eloquently. He gets my MVP
00:33:10I think he's a weekend. I think he said like I have 12 brothers in this locker room. Yeah, I think he said 15
00:33:16He was doing the math in his head. Okay, like wait, we got G League two-way guys. Yeah the trainers
00:33:23Yeah, no, they're definitely they're not even close to being hateable
00:33:26the only way that Jokic will become hateable is in the the Patrick Mahomes vein where you don't hate him because he's a bad guy
00:33:32You hate him because he just prevents you from winning championships. Yeah, um Hank
00:33:37True serum Hank. Can I do a true serum Hank segment?
00:33:39You're also quickly say before if the Lakers get blown on next game LeBron will not finish the series. Oh
00:33:46He'll pull an injury. He did it Saturday night
00:33:49I think him and Anthony Davis missed like four layups in a row at the end of the game and
00:33:53I said it out loud. I was like LeBron's gonna this is fake injury territory and the next play he fell
00:33:59Held his arm and was on the ground doing the thing where like he was looking around to see if people
00:34:04Bought how injured he was acting and then it got up. It was fine. All right, true serum Hank
00:34:08You have that is this as truthfully as you can
00:34:13How many injuries you're rooting for none none I
00:34:17I
00:34:18Don't know one like that. I just ask it can't be zero
00:34:21No, I don't want to you can't you can't put that into the world
00:34:25You truly can't you basically were just saying that you wanted to be to get hurt
00:34:28No, I was pointing out. That's like that's Sun will rise. Yeah. No, I'm not. I don't want MB to get hurt
00:34:34I can just look at data and history and acknowledge that he is made of glass like the stats and the fact every playoff series
00:34:41He's you know out of gas hurt, whatever it may be just doesn't bring up those stats
00:34:47Yeah, all right Hank Wednesday
00:34:49Report Wednesday. He'll give us a report the playoff injury stat just to put a little about just when he was out of shape
00:34:55You said injury that that out of shape isn't class mental injury to put a bow on what Hank said earlier
00:35:02Regarding the NHL the Maple Leafs Bruins this max sent this over. This is a very funny stat
00:35:07So in the postseason the Maple Leafs and the Bruins
00:35:10Toronto has won 40 series or the 40 games
00:35:13Boston has 142 so Boston just barely edges the Leafs out
00:35:17They're tied with eight series wins each and then at the bottom of the screen you look at it
00:35:22The last time the Maple Leafs beat the Bruins in a series was 1959 Wow
00:35:27So domination domination banking. Yes spanking
00:35:31all right
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00:36:55Sunday Sunday Sunday Sunday Celtics heat
00:37:01Apologies the well, mr. Pear and the Bulls
00:37:05Choked on Friday night. Can I?
00:37:09Since we didn't have a show after Friday night permission to just see red for a minute here. Yeah real quick minute
00:37:15The Chicago Bulls are a joke of an organization. Jerry Reinsdorf is one of the worst owners if not the worst
00:37:21in the NBA, he's a fucking clown and
00:37:25I
00:37:26need people to understand because what happens with a
00:37:30Franchise like the Bulls because they have the history of Michael Jordan and the six titles and
00:37:36They you know had Derrick Rose who that was a just to remind you as a 1.7 percent chance to win
00:37:43That lottery was the the second longest odds ever. I think the Shaq lottery was was the longest for the magic. So
00:37:51They had Michael Jordan and other than that, they like to sell on nostalgia and nothing else and not put out a competent
00:37:59Competitive basketball team
00:38:01I have some stats for you because I want people to realize that Jerry Reinsdorf is so so bad and
00:38:08Because of the history of the Bulls you think that organization isn't that bad?
00:38:12But they are that bad and they are that pathetic and Jerry Reinsdorf should be put on blast all the time on a national media
00:38:19Basis everywhere because he's a joke. So in a league where
00:38:24More than half the teams make the playoffs, that's not that's not even counting the play
00:38:28I'm saying more it's more than half teams make the playoffs in
00:38:31Because I think it was 30 teams and 16 teams make the playoffs
00:38:35The Chicago Bulls have made the playoffs two times in the last nine season two times
00:38:39They've they're back-to-back nine ten game champions, and that's it. So they've made the playoffs two times in the last nine seasons
00:38:48since
00:38:492014-15 which was the last Tibbs Derrick Rose Jimmy Butler year
00:38:54They have won three total playoff games three playoff games
00:38:58They have more playoff wins in the last nine years than just two franchises in the NBA the Magic and the Pistons
00:39:06They have more playoff appearances in the last nine years than just two franchise
00:39:10The Kings and the Hornets if you told someone Kings Hornets
00:39:13I know the Kings are have turned around the last two years
00:39:16But Kings Hornets Magic Pistons people don't put the Bulls in that group. The Bulls are in that group
00:39:22They should actually be very much in that group. They're a fucking joke. I went through it if you took out
00:39:29the two Boylan years
00:39:31Which were Jim Boylan was one of the worst coaches ever the Bulls were not trying the last 12 seasons since Derrick Rose got hurt
00:39:39The Bulls are averaging
00:39:41How many wins a year?
00:39:4635
00:39:4741 which is by design. That's exactly what they want. Here's a quote from Jerry Reinsdorf. You ready for this?
00:39:54Sports is a business is a business of failure
00:39:57But the fact that you finish second or third or fourth, it doesn't mean you had a bad year
00:40:01I think the importance. Yeah, I think the important things for two fans is well, they want you to win championships
00:40:07They want you to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot
00:40:13You're still playing meaningful games
00:40:15If you can do that consistently, you'll make your fans happy. This is all by design
00:40:21Define meaningful. Yes, it means get into the playoff
00:40:24you think the plan that qualifies that checks the box off for him as being a meaningful because it's essentially you're playing a
00:40:30Mini playoff series. He does not care about winning
00:40:33titles he cares about winning
00:40:3541 games having some games down the stretch where people can tune in and be like will the Bulls make the playoffs and the reason
00:40:42Why he does that is because nine out of the last ten years not counting the kovat the two kovat years
00:40:48The Chicago Bulls have led the NBA in attendance. He does not give a fuck
00:40:52He wants to build a team to never go over the luxury tax
00:40:56The Bulls are the only team in the NBA who have not made a single move at the trade deadline in the last three years
00:41:02That's the whole design. The whole design is to put out a team that is
00:41:06Exceedingly mediocre to get people into the stands and to never actually try to win a championship
00:41:12He's focusing all of his energy on the White Sox and building them up, but he's a joke
00:41:16I just want it
00:41:17I want people to realize because it does trick you when you think of the Bulls and you think of MJ
00:41:22They are no different than the Pistons
00:41:25Then the then the magic who are in the playoffs who've actually built it and actually those teams the Pistons the magic the Hornets the Kings
00:41:32They have actually at least been bad enough for stretches where they get
00:41:35Top three picks the Bulls only chance of getting a top three pick is getting a 1.7
00:41:41lottery shot where they get Derrick Rose and then they blame his injury on the next ten years and
00:41:46They are a joke of an organization Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst owner. He's a piece of shit
00:41:50He does not care about winning. He just wants to take your money
00:41:53Have you sit in there and be like, oh they won 41 games. Maybe they have a shot fans are smarter than that
00:41:58Now they never had a shot. There was a joke would happen against the heat
00:42:02They would have gotten killed by the Celtics. It doesn't matter. They suck Jerry Reinsdorf. Fuck you, dude
00:42:08That's what I respect about European like soccer fans is when the owners fuck with them like this
00:42:13Yeah, they like riot, but he said they don't know show up with flares
00:42:17They'll like throw eggs at the guy's car on the street in America. We're just like yeah, this sucks
00:42:21He's literally admitting that he does not care
00:42:23He just wants to he wants to sell tickets and and and be just good enough to be
00:42:29Average to a certain extent for him like playoff series kind of get in the way of his jet-setting lifestyle
00:42:34Yeah, no, I mean I'd rather not work Friday night
00:42:36I was talking with a bunch of friends like
00:42:38Okay
00:42:38I want them to win because I like some of these guys on the team but
00:42:41Also, Jerry Reinsdorf wants nothing more than to have two more ticket gates for playoff games that he has no chance of winning that
00:42:47Series. Mm-hmm. Like that's a dream for him
00:42:49So, alright, that was my see red
00:42:52Celtics heat sorry, hey, you know, it sucks too is like the fact that they sometimes occasionally will win a playing game
00:42:59Right. Everybody gets like a momentary like they get gassed up by that right and they're like that was a really fun night of basketball
00:43:05I can't believe that that Kobe White did that that was so much fun
00:43:09It's fun to be a Bulls fan and you get this temporary fix
00:43:12It's like little tiny hit but then if you if you step back and you look at what that game was
00:43:17It was nothing it was the most inconsequential the stats don't even count that stat will never show up in NBA history
00:43:23It was nothing. It was a fun night. You might have had fun watching the Bulls without one night
00:43:27But at the same time it's like a band-aid that's on a grenade wound
00:43:30Yeah, it's nothing and they're gonna do they're probably gonna here's what they're gonna do
00:43:34They're gonna probably resign to Marta Rosen who I like to Marta Rosen great guy great player
00:43:39It's 34 years old whose game doesn't fit in the modern NBA
00:43:42They're gonna resign to Marta Rosen and then be like Lonzo ball will fix everything even though he hasn't played basketball in two and a half
00:43:48Years, he'll be okay. That's what's gonna happen made out of glass fix his shot
00:43:51and then they're gonna guess what they're gonna do they're gonna win 38 games and
00:43:56Losing the playing game and it's gonna be like and it's just it is actually the worst
00:44:01place you can be as a franchise what Jerry Reinsdorf has built where it's like you're never actually competing and you're
00:44:08Also never tanking to the point where you can rebuild your Ross
00:44:12Yeah, you want to have a plan because if you if nope the play well the planet his plan
00:44:15He doesn't he's working his plan perfectly
00:44:18But his plan doesn't make sense right is the thing if you have if you have a crummy team
00:44:22You want to be the worst you want to be like with the Wizards for me?
00:44:25It's like that's why I always call them the most inconsequential
00:44:28Team in professional sports because for the longest time they didn't they were never relevant to a really a playoff conversation at all
00:44:36But they were also never really
00:44:38Irrelevant enough to get that top pick like what you're describing now
00:44:41We all it takes just sign Jordan pool for a season
00:44:44Yeah, and then next thing you know you're in the lottery and guess what the Wizards
00:44:47I'm gonna try to find where I found all the stats the Wizards have won more series
00:44:51Yeah, cuz we had into the playoffs more time John Wall. We had Paul Pierce. That was that was a fun team
00:44:55Then that's what that's the whole point of this rant is that I want people to stop thinking of the Bulls
00:45:00Maybe people already do but I think if you ask like a hundred people like the Bulls they'd be like
00:45:05Oh, they're not a bad franchise. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they're a bad franchise
00:45:10Hank Celtic, sorry, they're so much better than the Heat seeing green. You don't have to worry about this series at all
00:45:17Yeah, unless they try and take out our best players. What? Yeah. Oh
00:45:21Is that that they call the hit in got it? That's why I was talking about the injury got it
00:45:26That's why you said you're rooting for zero injuries
00:45:29Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that'll make sense
00:45:33The Celtics were up 16 with like a minute and a half left
00:45:36He called timeout kind of weird move. Mm-hmm, and then like a player two later
00:45:40Caleb Martin came in super low on Tatum getting a rebound scared you. Yeah, it was a scary fall
00:45:46Yeah, and then jail it was Jalen. They got in his face, right?
00:45:51Yeah, weird weird timing with the timeout kind of a weird-looking play
00:45:56Appropriate response by the Celtics
00:45:58Yeah, I mean you need enough guys Zula and Missoula after they asked him about it and he was like I was loving it
00:46:04Yeah, oh, he said that he's like, yeah
00:46:06he fucking Missoula if you didn't listen to our interview with Missoula on Friday go back and listen to it because he is
00:46:12The man I was excited for him to choke me out. Yeah
00:46:17Please put that on a quote card. Yeah, and but don't say who he's talking about
00:46:21That man to choke me up
00:46:22But that was that was one of those interviews where there were so many crazy things that he said that I absolutely loved
00:46:28That people didn't know what crazy thing to write an entire article about right?
00:46:33Yeah, we had a bunch of articles written where it's just and this and this the revolving door
00:46:37Yeah
00:46:38But um, but to Hank's point on that plate Jake is this heat culture where you're sending in goons
00:46:43To try to tabletop somebody and get a neck injury sounds like well if it was intentional, obviously I disavow
00:46:49But if it wasn't intentional then they're just pointing the finger for no reason and there's no proof
00:46:54What'd you think when you saw the play, uh looked like a basketball play. Oh, he was looking at the hoop
00:47:01looking for the rebound under and Jason's like
00:47:04Leg goose and I like leg a leg armpit Jason drew holiday may have pushed him into him. That's what
00:47:12Yeah
00:47:13Hank is definitely. Yeah, he pushed him
00:47:15is it weird that you spent the whole season like or at least the last two months of the season being like get us to
00:47:20the playoffs because
00:47:21We already clinched the number one seed
00:47:23We're the best team in the NBA like it's it's dissolved fodder and now you're in the playoffs and it feels like it's the same thing
00:47:29where it's like get you to the
00:47:31Get you to the conference finals cuz like the heat are just not I mean
00:47:35I don't know if they could if they would win this series with Jimmy Butler, but without Jimmy Butler
00:47:40They just do not have the offense. No
00:47:43Yeah, I mean again, I'm definitely thinking ahead it does feel you know
00:47:48Brings you back to the old Patriots days not not here anymore, but it is
00:47:52First series formality if you know, even if you lose in the conference finals, that's a failure of a season
00:47:58Just get me get me to this. You can't say Patriots when you haven't won yet
00:48:02No, I'm saying if max it feels like how it felt max doesn't understand that as a Patriots fan when every year
00:48:08They're the best team in the regular season and you're just you're not thinking about you're thinking about the Super Bowl
00:48:12You're you're looking at the other conference thinking about Super Bowl matchups
00:48:17You just bypass the Eastern Conference
00:48:19I mean, I think that's completely fair given the road that the Celtics will have to go through
00:48:23Yeah, you you should just want to get through this and we'll be I would actually say like what do you think the over-under is?
00:48:28For Celtics losses before the NBA Finals six and a half seven and a half. They'll have some walk you off
00:48:38Five and a half no
00:48:40Bucks before the finals bucks might give him a couple games. Yeah final all the issue Eastern Conference
00:48:45I'd set it at four and a half
00:48:48Four and a half because I don't think they're gonna lose a game here. Maybe say one
00:48:51I think I don't think they would lose more than one to the Cavs of the magic
00:48:55I think the numbers five and a half
00:48:57but if they lose I think they'll lose one it maybe one here what one in the second round and then
00:49:03They would just have to win in six in the East Crops file that before. I
00:49:07Think they're gonna lose one
00:49:10They might lose two next round. I don't know. I don't think so. It's gonna be easy for him
00:49:15So I should but my point is no injures. You're you're actually right to think this way. I know yeah
00:49:21Yeah, but then then all you have to worry about is certainly hope that no one else gets injured on the Western side
00:49:26Yeah, no, we need fucking LeBron and ad2 top five players in the world. I'm so great all time
00:49:32I know it's not gonna happen
00:49:33I would love to have the Lakers I will wear LeBron Lakers jersey on the show for a week
00:49:38If Chet Holmgren with just an all-time block there in a big moment
00:49:41We're watching the end of this game all it's going on
00:49:43We'll talk about in a second Hank so to to go back to my question
00:49:46You are like this is kind of like I know you're getting up for these games
00:49:50But you're also just it's just like get to the next round and don't get hurt that you're watching these games like
00:49:56You know I was ready for them to pull them when they got up 30 the the heat came back a little bit
00:50:01But seeing a fall like that with a minute left. You know in a meaningless game is terrifying
00:50:06SGA just an incredible shot there. Yeah, that was actually like a
00:50:1130 second
00:50:1330 seconds of like the Thunder's future
00:50:16Flashing before our eyes, and it looks fucking awesome
00:50:19Yeah, Chet Holmgren with an enormous block and then SGA with an awesome man one
00:50:24Seem to beat the markets
00:50:26Yeah, he's already doing that he was Hank was like Chet Holmgren can lock down the Oak Ridge
00:50:33He needs to gain probably 60 pound one can lock down the Oak Ridge
00:50:36That's the thing about Yogi stretch him out, but if you if you say Yogi, you can't score. He's gonna be like okay
00:50:41I'll have 25 assists
00:50:43And they'd be like Yogi you can score is like okay, then I'll score 30 points
00:50:48He's problem. He's problem. Okay, so good good job could win. Thanks. Yeah, not worried about this series
00:50:54No next game Wednesday. That's the worst and then they have three games in four days
00:50:59I've never seen a back-to-back in the NBA playoffs of you
00:51:03That's crazy. Yeah, I think yeah, I think there's like arena shit. Yeah
00:51:08Sorry that the Bulls suck because I know you wanted to go to I would have gone to that game with you on Saturday
00:51:12Yeah, you would have spanked me
00:51:15Choked out you got we would have gotten choked out by Joe Zula
00:51:19Okay
00:51:21Mavs Clippers I
00:51:23Got bamboozled
00:51:25By the Mavs yeah, I mean Kawhi out yeah, you know what I better without Kawhi
00:51:29Well, you know what I forgot and we need to just remind ourselves this James Harden. I I went through it
00:51:35I didn't add up all the stats, but if you look at it
00:51:37Just just perusing it James Harden when he has rest basically every game one. He's awesome, and he was awesome
00:51:44He just has a lot of rest. He feels awesome. He scores a lot of points
00:51:48He's awesome, and then game two happens. You know two days later, and he's tired and Paul George back on his bully shit
00:51:54Yeah, yeah, the Clippers look good Steve Ballmer was having a great time
00:51:57Yeah, we're side to just fucking pumped for everything
00:52:00He was and we even had like the fake Dallas comeback that made it look a little bit close for a minute there
00:52:06Luca got his points you got everything yeah, Luca did get his points. Well. That's the thing yes come back
00:52:13Yeah, where it was it. They were how they scored like
00:52:17What did they score 40 points in the first half?
00:52:19They were so so bad and in the second quarter eight in the second quarter. Yeah, oh, yeah 30 points
00:52:25Sorry 30 points in the first half
00:52:27That's almost impossible to do if you're not the calves of the magic so I don't grind the film like you guys do
00:52:32But it it occurs to me when I'm watching Luca when he's playing
00:52:36From a deficit when his team's not leading he seems to take a hell of a lot of time off the shot clock yeah
00:52:42Well, he's got a dribble. He has to dribble. Yeah, he's got a dribble and
00:52:46They were kind of screwed too when Daniel Gafford got it even though he's not Daniel Gafford's one of those guys. He's good
00:52:52But when you're like we need Daniel Gafford to be awesome all the time that might be a flaw. He is good
00:53:00But it might be a flaw. Yeah, I
00:53:03Got I got hurt by the by the mess. I did I bought it. I'm an idiot. I feel stupid
00:53:08I think the I think the Clippers are underdogs again in game two and I like the Clippers again
00:53:13I like the Clippers in the series. I don't know
00:53:16I I'm dumb for thinking that a team that's led by James Harden can do some damage in the playoffs
00:53:21But I game ones, but I kind of do game ones
00:53:24He can do it, but even if it's later on in the matchup if Kawhi's back
00:53:30You get Paul George cooking. I don't know I feel like I feel like this Clippers team could do something me too game ones
00:53:38From Houston James Harden on 20 27 24. There's a Mike Francis a bit 20 28
00:53:4517 so nothing here we go 37 20 44 41 41
00:53:51Guy likes rest 29 35 37 36
00:53:55They do it last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah guy likes rest when he gets his rest. Yeah
00:54:00yeah, he scored 45 in game one against the Celtics and then
00:54:04He did have one other big game, but of the other all the other games he was under 20 points
00:54:09What did he have like single digits for one game? Yeah, he had nine in game seven. Yeah. Yeah, he guy likes rest
00:54:14So just remember James Harden when he has rest bet him
00:54:18Yeah, if they if they take care of business get the Mavericks, he'll have a bunch of time to rest before the next round
00:54:22Yeah, all right
00:54:24Dame time
00:54:26Dame time in in Milwaukee. That was awesome
00:54:30He was on he went off in the first half he had 19 points in the first quarter
00:54:34He was incredible and then it just felt like the he finished with only 35
00:54:39I say only 35, but he scored 19 in the first quarter
00:54:4319 of their 30 it was just the too late for the the Pacers
00:54:47They made like a little run and it was just not enough. They got to like within 10 or something
00:54:51Yeah down the stretch and but the game never really felt close and if Giannis comes back Giannis back that would concern
00:54:58That's the only way that I could see the Celtics losing seven games is Giannis would be
00:55:04Yeah, he I mean if he's fully healthy
00:55:07He's still he still would be the best player in a series against Celtics
00:55:11Celtics would have the next like four best players, but Giannis would be the best player
00:55:16Yeah, that's that's the only issue for for the C's Hank
00:55:19But yeah, the Bucks this feels like it's gonna be an easy series for him. Yeah again overreaction
00:55:23sweep sweep
00:55:25By the Bucks belt-to-ass yeah, when is he honest coming back
00:55:30Do who comes back first Giannis or Kawhi I
00:55:34Feel like Kawhi plays like every other day
00:55:37They said it depends on how he feels like getting out of bed that the Clippers said they're like yeah
00:55:41We knew he was out for like the last week
00:55:43Yeah, so they were prepared for it, but yeah, it's if there's like bad weather his knee swells up. He's like can't go
00:55:49I'm gonna say Giannis. I'm say Giannis comes back before Kawhi. No. I don't know
00:55:53Always mysterious what happens to Kawhi, but he's just always out
00:55:57Like all right
00:55:58He's out
00:55:58He would be very very frustrating if that was your favorite team if you're a diehard Clippers fan and having a guy
00:56:05That's so good. Yeah, why that just sometimes decides like no. I'm not gonna do it today. Call him for the win
00:56:12No
00:56:13Thunder take game one
00:56:16Thunder take game one that was so we can talk about that game. That was it was look it was a
00:56:21Rock fight to start the game, but the fact that we got to see that Chet Holmgren
00:56:27SGA at the end these young Thunder watch out
00:56:30Yeah, they might just be too young to know they're not supposed to be this good
00:56:34it does suck so bad that the Zion's out because the Pelicans are like a weird matchup for a lot of teams with their size and
00:56:41He just it's just so frustrating to have him out of this series
00:56:45I want to see him play in the playoffs do people like watching CJ McCollum play because I do yeah
00:56:50But I feel like has he hey, I feel like I see a lot of discourse about him being a super boring superstar
00:56:56I don't know if he's a super boring star. Yeah, Janice will definitely be back first. Yeah, what are you reading?
00:57:03Janice is supposed to be back later in the series Kauai hasn't participated in contact practice or played since March 31st, okay
00:57:10So yeah, that's gonna be honest for sure. That's a hundred percent Janice. I like the Thunder
00:57:15They're fun and that stadium actually is pretty awesome when it gets bumping. Yeah, they care
00:57:20Yeah, they they do. I do think they lead the league in
00:57:25Amount of fans that wear the t-shirt giveaways. Yeah, they are number one in the NBA
00:57:30You see a lot of guys in the crowd wearing a dress shirt
00:57:33Yeah a dress shirt with the t-shirt that they just got over top of that dress
00:57:37Yeah, it's not even a question when they get that free t-shirt. It's on. Yeah, you don't have to get dressed up to go
00:57:42Look, there's like seven of them. Yeah, it's crazy. They're just all
00:57:45They all just fall in line and they're like free t-shirt. We got to wear. Mm-hmm. Well, I respect that I respect it, too
00:57:51It's a it's a good basketball town. Yeah
00:57:54Seattle people are mad
00:57:56well, the you know, the reason why they got the team was because during Katrina the
00:58:01Yeah Hornets at the time. Yeah laid there and David Stern was like, holy shit. This city actually cares about basketball
00:58:07Yeah, they're first on my list and well and also because and then see I bought yeah
00:58:11Yeah, Howard Schultz fucked that up so bad. Yep and sold the team to guys that were all from, Oklahoma
00:58:18Mm-hmm, and they're like, oh, yeah, we do want to move weird Seattle should have a team. Yeah, Seattle should have a team
00:58:25Okay, you want to talk some hockey Hank?
00:58:28Punished the Maple Leafs. Yeah punished him
00:58:32Looking to take the all-time lead in that series
00:58:35Love the jerseys
00:58:37Feel like I haven't seen those in the playoffs
00:58:41Well, yeah, he turned the game on your garlic, you know talking puck these time and I was like, oh these are new
00:58:46They probably worn them all year. But for me they were new. Yeah, they're sick. Yeah, who's the key to the series Hank?
00:58:52Swayman Swayman, I gotta be hot gotta be hot. Go away. Would you say Bergeron was kind of a no-show? He wasn't no-show
00:59:00You
00:59:02Yeah, you know I hear you're not Marsh's team is handing out pucks after the game how are you guys gonna stop Austin Matthews?
00:59:08They got a lot of chances
00:59:11Put on the Bruins jersey and watch them put on the Maple Leafs jersey
00:59:15Already answered. Okay
00:59:17Memes, can we talk about your game real quick because you lost the Hurricanes who but I thought like the Islanders were
00:59:24It wasn't a game where I was like, oh the Islanders have no chance in this series
00:59:29Yeah, no, they this was definitely the game they should have stole did you watch a game I watched the second and third period
00:59:36So I guess I missed the time when they were tied
00:59:39Yeah, it was 1-1 pretty much the entire game
00:59:44During the when they when the Islanders score because I'll underscore in the first I'll just score in the first
00:59:48Yeah, I didn't see it. It was like that the entire time and then probably during the second period when nobody was scoring
00:59:54I was like, oh fuck. We're in for a battle Dean just like last year. It's going to be the exact same series
01:00:01I'm sorry, so you're gonna lose I
01:00:05Don't want to say
01:00:06Yeah, okay. You're not optimistic about the sounds good. Well, it's gonna be a battle
01:00:10We got a bounce back game to anything can happen. It's it's hockey anything could happen
01:00:15But I think game one was the game we could have stole
01:00:19We had a lot more opportunities refs kind of fucked us right off the bat. Oh, yeah
01:00:23I like that one diving into it. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. They did rest fuck you that they hate the Islanders quick
01:00:29Well, it was a flop instant flop. They go right to the power play score in 14 seconds
01:00:34man
01:00:36That's tough PFT your caps. Yeah, I've got a couple keys to turn in this around for the cap. Okay, let's go
01:00:41All right, so the caps lose four to one
01:00:44That's what the official stats say
01:00:46But if you take out like three minutes in the second period we actually tied this game 1-1
01:00:52Okay, if you don't count those and also we were pressing at the end to try to score
01:00:55They probably would have scored that one either if you take out that
01:00:59Ten seconds and the two and a half minutes in the second period
01:01:02The caps actually won this game won nothing in a series where nobody
01:01:05Thought that we could come within three goals of beating the Rangers and it turns out that we technically kind of actually won that game
01:01:11So would the key to the game be allow the Capitals to eliminate any three minutes of their choosing? Yeah
01:01:18retroactively
01:01:20But after the game I predict that if you if you give me those parameters the Capitals might even sweep the range, okay
01:01:25So so we'll track that going forward that if as long as PFT can eliminate three minutes of every game
01:01:32You're gonna win. I'm gonna win. I'm gonna and maybe not a sweep, but I think we'll get it done five
01:01:37Okay, and my two keys to turning this around actually I have three one
01:01:42Start a fight. Yeah, whenever you whenever you're whenever you're very clearly the less talented team
01:01:48Just try to get another skin
01:01:50Some Tom Wilson out there try to wreck the franchise for the second time in four years. Yep
01:01:54Although they do have Rimpy scares me. I don't think that Tom could take him, but it would be a good fight
01:02:00I'd like to see it either get into a fight. That's key. Number one key. Number two is
01:02:05Tried not at any point in the game to allow your team to get out shot
01:02:10With 20 straight shots. Yes, so try to limit the the New York Rangers
01:02:16From I'd put it out like
01:02:1818 18 or fewer shots in a row for them before we get one shot
01:02:22I like that that would be a good one. And then my other key is we should make that a rule, too
01:02:26Yeah, if anything anytime the Rangers have more than 10 consecutive shots anything after that doesn't count, correct?
01:02:32Yeah, although I mean I I don't want to say it won't happen
01:02:35but I don't think that they'll ever have a
01:02:38Time in this series where they get 20 consecutive shots on that because that's crazy
01:02:42Well not under our not under our new rules. Yeah, right 10 is the math
01:02:45we're fixing the game of hockey and then my my third key to turning the series around is that a
01:02:51Vetchkin should have at least one shot on goal. Okay, that's good
01:02:58If Ovi can get one shot at least on goal, I think that's gonna go a long way to turning this around but yeah, that was
01:03:05after after the first like 10 minutes, I
01:03:08I knew that we're not as good as the Rangers, but again, it's hockey anything can happen anything can happen
01:03:14I was already telling myself like well
01:03:17They're not used to seeing a left-handed goalie. Yep. You actually texted us that yeah, I'll bet on the Capitals, too
01:03:22Yeah to have your back Chucky was he was catching a lot of pucks out there with his right hand
01:03:27They're not used to trying to go gloves are they're trying to go stick side. There's a big fat glove there
01:03:31They're not used to that. They figure that out. They figure that out after the first period I should have known we were in trouble
01:03:37Cuz I went I took my son to the Cubs game when you sent that text being like never seen a left-handed goal
01:03:43Yeah, they have known that was a problem. They haven't they haven't seen it too much this year and it take it takes some adjusting
01:03:48They were firing a lot of pucks right into that big fat glove. But yeah, listen, I'm happy to be in the playoffs
01:03:54I'm happy to have some some meaningful games for it for and anything could happen
01:03:59Hockey's a weird sport, but if it goes any way at all similarly to how it went tonight
01:04:05It's it's gonna be a very short series. Yeah, okay. Well, but with the new rules, we'll we'll monitor. Yeah
01:04:12Yeah, that's like the caps are up one nothing. Yeah, okay nice
01:04:15And then the ABS jets win my game of the game of the first round first game
01:04:21I'm actually I'm gonna give them the first game. I'm gonna give that my period of the week
01:04:24Yeah period of the week the first period goes to the first period in this game
01:04:29Know the third period to third period. Yeah, the third period was the third period might have you sure you want to give it to
01:04:35the first period
01:04:38Yeah, yeah, I do I want to get also remember we have in the running when the Islanders got screwed
01:04:44Yeah as the nominee for period of the week
01:04:47So I like the first period in this game better than the third because the third didn't really get cooking until the last 30 seconds
01:04:54Yeah, okay. So we'll do period of the week for the rest of the playoffs. So that was so our
01:04:59official
01:05:00Memes, can you make this graphic official period of the week to close this week was the first period of the ABS Jets game?
01:05:07Yep, I like that. I feel good about that. Yeah, that's a good one
01:05:09So we'll be monitoring period of the week starting Monday
01:05:12And you know what if you don't like our period of the week make your own. Yeah. Yeah. I have my own entry
01:05:16Oh, oh the second period of the NYPD FDNY here was hockey game. There was a brawl
01:05:22Okay. Okay. That's all I think now you're making me feel like yeah, like I'm not supporting heroes. Mm-hmm
01:05:28Just saying yeah, but that ABS Jets first period was awesome. I'm gonna give the heroes period of the week
01:05:34Yep goes to the second period in the heroes game. Yeah fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay
01:05:40We will have biz and wit on
01:05:42Probably next week after draft. Yeah of them on to talk some hockey in depth
01:05:47We don't know we're talking about but that's fine. I think we covered we don't know we're talking about with anything
01:05:52We covered it pretty good. These are my favorite when we also the Panthers on yeah, the Panthers did win
01:05:57Yeah, the thing about about hockey fans, though
01:05:59If you're a diehard puck boy, you're probably also listening to spit and chiclets or yes
01:06:05A podcast that will make you smarter and know what they're talking about when it comes to hockey listen
01:06:08They know they're not gonna get that from us people know we're the we're more football guys than anything else
01:06:14We do love all the sports. We'll talk about all the sports
01:06:17This is the time of year where people will just like we probably have said I don't know ten things that have been wrong
01:06:23Mm-hmm some magic fan will will hit me up and be like dude, you're so off. I'm like, you know what you're right
01:06:29Yeah, I am and hand up. I'm definitely a hockey guy. I'm coming out as a hockey casual. You are right
01:06:36You are right. I am wrong. But yeah, I thought that was a good recap of the weekend
01:06:40Um, all right, should we do who's back of the week?
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01:07:32Coors light comm slash take Hank your who's back of the week who's back of the week is Tupac. Oh
01:07:39Yeah, he is
01:07:41So in the update of the Drake Kendrick Lamar J Cole rap beef, which I'm sure you guys have been very locked in on
01:07:48Mm-hmm actually I have I have not I don't like how you said that I think it was directed more to me
01:07:56No, I don't think so
01:07:58He said you guys
01:08:00Well, I forgot you do the podcast with Arian. So he tells what does that mean? Well the King von thing last night
01:08:05Why what huh? I I'm talking about King
01:08:08Why would you say that Arian would be able to teach me about about rap because when you brought up King von and I was
01:08:14Shocked about that. It turned out that that was because Arian was talking about King von. No, he wasn't
01:08:19That's what people were telling me. No, that's that's not true
01:08:22Who's who you guys didn't talk about King von and Macarosa like maybe two years ago three years ago
01:08:26Who brought him up? I don't know. I don't I don't recall but no, that's just that's what that's what I was
01:08:32What is it specifically about Arian that so did to make you think have you guys talked about this rap beef on Macarosa? Yes
01:08:39So that's what I'm talking. Okay. All right, so but I I
01:08:42Understand look at me when you say that we don't know because I don't know big cat doesn't even know a black guy
01:08:47Nope, you can just carry him. Yeah. Uh-oh big cat knows too now. Mm-hmm
01:08:54Anyway, where were we?
01:08:59Kendrick Lamar allegedly there was a leaked song that was
01:09:03Kendrick Lamar a
01:09:04Diss track of Drake wasn't great people kind of shat on it and then it they went like quiet and
01:09:09The rumor was that people were saying I was a I wasn't really a diss track
01:09:13Drake
01:09:15Basically seems to think that it was actually Kendrick Lamar
01:09:18So in retaliation, he wrote a diss track and then got a I Tupac and Snoop Dogg to sing it
01:09:26So it's a Drake diss track
01:09:28But it's like Tupac's voice dissing Kendrick Lamar and then Snoop Dogg's voice dissing Kendrick Lamar. That's kind of cool
01:09:34I I don't think it was that cool cuz it was cool and it was a dog still alive. Wait, so wait, hold on
01:09:41You say it was cool you say it wasn't that cool which one is it cuz I'm the only one who doesn't know what's going
01:09:45On I don't think it was cool. I think you know what it is Hank counterpoint the
01:09:51It was basically like
01:09:53Calling Kendrick Lamar out for trying to use AI as an excuse when it wasn't so he used AI
01:09:58He basically just like used AI to his advantage and he kind of did the M&M like
01:10:04Marshall Mathers like he dissed himself
01:10:06But the streets are saying a Tupac the streets are saying that it's corny the streets are saying that Drake is corny for this
01:10:11That was kind of that's kind of cool what he said though and that all the Drake meat riders out there are just sucking it
01:10:16Down and they're corny too max deciding vote cool. Oh
01:10:21Yeah, it was very I don't know anything about it was funny very cool now very cool, okay
01:10:27No, you can't you can't take Tupac's for us
01:10:29All right
01:10:30Now it would be cool if Tupac was still actually alive and Drake's the only guy that knows
01:10:34That would and then he's like this is AI Tupac and then everybody out there was like, you know, Drake, you're corny
01:10:39But then the back of his head he's like, yeah, but I know I'm the only one that knows that that was real
01:10:44I'd respect that. I thought it was cool, but two bucks back. Okay, put up a pole
01:10:49Cool or not. We'll just tune into Mac. Don't you? I'm sure you guys will talk about it and we'll find out once and for all
01:10:54Okay
01:10:55I'm gonna go cool
01:10:57My who's back of the week
01:11:00Being fat Oh any Oh fat winners
01:11:04Because we're gonna talk about the boxing a little bit. Oh
01:11:07it was it was incredible because before the fight they had to weigh in at
01:11:14140 pounds or less 140 pounds right and then Ryan Garcia said that he would pay he weighed in at
01:11:20143 pounds correct, which is really overweight for Barry much
01:11:24That's incredibly overweight like he did not give a fuck and then he told Haney that he would pay him
01:11:29$500,000 a pound. Yes over what he weighed in at so he his dad was like don't do this
01:11:35Yeah, and so he ended up paying him
01:11:381.5 million to get into the ring. They couldn't be for a title belt, right because he was over
01:11:43He was so fat and he still has the title and so then he just proceeded to beat the shit out of him for
01:11:48was it 12 rounds 10 rounds 12 rounds and
01:11:52It was not particularly close and everyone no one thought that that Garcia had a chance
01:11:56I would count myself in with that group of people that thought he actually was insane. Yeah, he was like plus 600
01:12:02He was acting very crazy
01:12:06Turns out he just sold an awesome fight because I watched every second of it
01:12:10It was a lot of clinching also the ref
01:12:13Essentially saved Devin Haney because I think the ref was worried that Ryan Garcia was gonna do something crazy
01:12:20I think it was round seven where he knocked him down and was the ref basically was just like almost picking up
01:12:26Devin Haney being like you're good, but
01:12:29Garcia was awesome. And he he might be the new face of boxing because he is he's great
01:12:34He's like the perfect amount of crazy fun to watch was throwing bombs
01:12:39And yeah, he's he's something else he is something else I actually go back and I look at all the weird stuff
01:12:45He's done the last couple months and now I don't know how much of it was an act and how much was like, right?
01:12:50Really? That's why he's a perfect boxer and he won on 420
01:12:53Which is great for him because he was smoking the biggest blunt that I've ever seen
01:12:56Yeah, he might have just been like the most high individual for the last two months
01:13:00Yeah, and just allowed himself to have like a schizophrenic break just from smoking too much pot
01:13:06We also had after the fight one of my favorite like encounters
01:13:10I've seen in a long time Eddie Hearns our friend who's been on this show and Ryan Garcia's dad Hearn Hearn Hearns
01:13:19Thanks Hank good friend good friend Eddie Hearns
01:13:22And Ryan Garcia's dad. I think I had memes pull up the video. Did you guys see this?
01:13:26Yeah, it was so good for people who don't see it. We can put this in
01:13:31This is the it is in the tunnel after the fight
01:13:34That was so good because it was just it was like the perfect
01:13:38Mail exchange where we went from fuck you your piece of shit grabbing the balls, too
01:13:43I'm sorry in 20 seconds and respect it to Garcia's dad for just being a good dad. Yeah, it's like, okay
01:13:49You don't like my son. Well, you're an enemy for life. Actually. You seem like a cool guy
01:13:52Okay, now you like my son now, we're both never boys and respect to Eddie Hearn for not backing down
01:13:58Yeah, like no fuck you. You're a piece of shit. But yeah, it was an awesome fight
01:14:01Like I it was it was a very very fun and Ryan Garcia is like that perfect amount of crazy that makes boxing fun
01:14:09Yeah
01:14:09and thank God he won because there was
01:14:11Cuz Devin Haney in the first like six Ryan Garcia came out was like going crazy in the first round then for the next five
01:14:18Rounds Devin Haney did win those rounds, but then Garcia knocked him down three times
01:14:22Yeah, and one of them he got he got points taken away, too
01:14:25He got points away because he did punch him after they were broken up kind of kind of yeah
01:14:30Well, he did punch him. He didn't get warned
01:14:32You could say he didn't get water, but he did punch
01:14:34He was doing a lot of holding to hold on for dear life. He did not get penalized for anything, but it was
01:14:41What concerns me is that like Garcia was so fucking crazy going up to this fight and it worked it worked out perfectly for him
01:14:49What's he gonna do in the next fight? I mean, how's he gonna get crazier?
01:14:52I mean he had that press conference on Thursday where he started it with saying like all love to Jesus
01:14:57I love Jesus and ended it with suck my dick Devin Haney. Yeah, he said did he say he like broke into Bohemian Grove?
01:15:03Yeah, yeah, like I forget all the stuff. He was saying he posted said after the after the fight like yeah
01:15:10My prep for this fight was just drinking every day. Yeah. No he posted a meme that says it's Devin Haney
01:15:15Wakes up at 4 30 a.m. Every morning to train no drugs or alcohol listens to his trainer diet sparring trains five times a day
01:15:21Runs eight miles every day Ryan Garcia alcohol. Thank you Jesus. Yeah
01:15:26Obviously, he's a lot better than that. He's a really good boxer, but
01:15:31No, he said he said he said in the press conference. Yeah, I drink every day
01:15:34I know it's probably nothing to brag about but I like to drink and so that's what I did to train for this fight
01:15:39Yeah
01:15:39although then after he drank a beer during the
01:15:41Weigh-in which people were like, oh, of course
01:15:44he they do the weigh-in before they do like the press conference weigh-in, but he was saying afterwards that it was just
01:15:50It was just apple juice. I
01:15:52Like who knows what's real no one knows no one knows I don't know what's a mark like am I a mark?
01:15:57Yeah, I think I'm a mark. It was a fun weekend. That was a fun. It was a fun Ryan Garcia. Very fun fight
01:16:02Okay, I have two who's backs the week
01:16:04both baseball related first one is
01:16:08terrible gifts because John Sterling
01:16:11Retired from the Yankees done what was like 45 years or something as the voice of the Yankees
01:16:17The Yankees got him an 83 inch TV from Best Buy. Mm-hmm
01:16:21And then the ceremony picture was so funny the ceremony of gifting him this
01:16:26Yes, he was hilarious too because they took it so serious. So seriously
01:16:30Do you think he didn't have a TV? You might not know. I think actually I read an article
01:16:34He has five TVs and they're all small. No, I don't know if they're all small
01:16:39Yeah, listen, I would not turn away a TV if somebody wanted to give me an 83 inch TV
01:16:42I'd be okay with it, but they cost nothing now though. They're like 400 bucks. Those are tough to move, too
01:16:48Yeah, do you think they got the warranty? They better have gotten the warranty?
01:16:52Oh, he's not gonna be able to set that thing up. No one ever gets a warranty
01:16:55I hope the Yankees at least sprung for the warrant. It's gonna have motion smoothing on it
01:16:59He's gonna not be able to watch it
01:17:00He's gonna have like four different remotes and he's not gonna remember which one goes to which TV
01:17:05Oh, this is the new TV with a new remote that's not programmed correctly yet
01:17:08That's gonna be a nightmare for an old guy. Yeah sons are gonna help him out. They're AWL's
01:17:12Okay. Okay. Cool. All right, so they're get him. So if they're listening to John Sterling
01:17:16Oh, yeah, I'd like to have John Sterling on the show. Yeah, the
01:17:19The 83 inch TV though the picture of that 45 years
01:17:23Here's a TV. Mm-hmm
01:17:26Thank you for your service
01:17:27Appreciate it. Yeah, people were like well the Yankees only had a few days to figure out a gift
01:17:32You couldn't think of anything other than a TV. Also his schedule dwindled down this year
01:17:37Yeah, like do you think like somebody the Yankees front office had just purchased that TV?
01:17:41Yeah, and they're like, oh we have a ceremony fuck. What are we gonna get? Oh, that was I've got a TV in my car
01:17:46yeah, that was definitely sitting in in like the
01:17:48AV room in the dug in the locker room where they're like, well, we have an extra just in case one of these
01:17:53You know, someone takes a bat to a TV. Yeah, and no one can fit it in their car. Yeah, right
01:17:58It's the worst gift you could give someone spin zone. They're saving the money for Juan Soto's next contract. Mm-hmm
01:18:0483 inch TV. Yeah, they are like nothing now like this was a great gift 20 years ago. It's great like holy shit
01:18:11He got an 83 inch TV like inflation sucks. Everything is getting way more expensive
01:18:15Except TVs TVs are like half as expensive as they used to be 10 years ago
01:18:20Do you remember like the first like like nice TV that you guys like this is we have to be so careful
01:18:26This is so now it's like TVs are nothing. They're giving them away
01:18:30Yeah, all I have to do is quit your job and you get a TV. Let's see 83 inch TV
01:18:34That's by remember when there wasn't HD like yeah, I'd be with a big deal. I remember the first last year
01:18:40I went to Best Buy and I was getting a TV and I had a
01:18:44Massive wall that I wasn't trying to put anything else on so I was like, I'm gonna get a big TV
01:18:48I was thinking 70 inch and it was maybe like 80 bucks more for 83 inch and I was like, oh sure
01:18:53Let me get the 83 inch like fuck it. I hope they got him the top
01:18:56I put it in my car. They did
01:18:57I hope it was top because when you get an 83 inch TV if it's not
01:19:01Super high quality at that level it starts to look like shit
01:19:05They did because I'm seeing right now you can get an 85 inch TV for $900
01:19:10But they did get him the OLED
01:19:12LG which was
01:19:15$4,500 curve screen. So pretty nice. I don't know if it's curved
01:19:18Yeah, I don't remember the first the first game. I ever watched in HG TV
01:19:22Was with my dad the midge game. Oh, yeah, unbelievable game to watch in each other
01:19:28Yeah, yeah
01:19:31Okay, my other who's back I have another who's back baseball related who's back the week is the Philly fanatic
01:19:37Because he held his birthday bash today and he invited to every mascot except bloopy. Oh, no. Yes. Love it
01:19:45Fuck would have I mean think about the the budget for the for food if you invite blue or you have to buy three plane
01:19:51Tickets. Yeah, and you can't have kids around so it's what I heard an invitation because he's scared of Philadelphia. That's true
01:19:57That's I mean now if you invite every other Matt
01:20:01It's kind of a cuck move for every other mascot to just you've got games that day, too
01:20:05Yeah, but you go across the country to celebrate another mascots birthday the fanatic is well mascots
01:20:11I think will do anything to get together
01:20:13They do like getting to I know but I like it so much better when that's it's rare
01:20:17Yeah, but it's like at the all-star game, but if there was one
01:20:21Mascot that everyone will go to their birthday party. I think the Philly fanatic like not trying to glaze max here
01:20:27He is kind of the OG
01:20:28He is one of the OG's but still yeah
01:20:30I think you have to have a little bit more pride in yourself
01:20:33Then then these guys are having and just being like oh, yeah, I'm gonna go tip my cap to to another team's mascot
01:20:38Well, they probably did it probably didn't just do a birthday party
01:20:41They probably played like a scrimmage against like a peewee football team and kick their ass just ran all over. Yeah
01:20:46Yeah, I got him a gift. It was a cool glove. What do you get him?
01:20:51Massive probably better than John Sterling's gift. Was it a mascot glove that he could put on overs. He put it on over
01:20:59I'll pull it up. That is pretty cool
01:21:02But no, I think blooper got invited but that that bitch was too scared. Oh, I mean, he's terrified of Philly
01:21:08Oh, that is a great gift
01:21:10wait, oh, no, he hasn't opened it yet here it is a
01:21:14Huge glove. Oh, wait, what? Oh, no. It was a shoe. Oh, this is 2019. Fuck
01:21:20Oh Bryce Harper get some gifts every year for his birthday. Oh Bryce Harper loves the fanatics. I mean no Bryce Harper
01:21:27That's like a thing. Here it is. He has like an obsession with the fanatic. Yeah, cuz he has the cleats
01:21:32Yeah
01:21:33That's kind of cool. Here. It is. Here it is. The fanatic is hilarious, dude
01:21:37Like he is what blue B wants to be blue B's an imitation
01:21:42That's a nice glove. It's a good glove. Yeah, it's big ass glove
01:21:44You remember when Tommy LaSorda got to a fight with him? Yeah, that's all I am saying like he is the standard
01:21:50All right, Jake
01:21:52My who's back of the week is the future of golf being in good hands
01:21:56We had some crazy stories in the golf world this week
01:21:59We can start off with the LPGA tour Nelly Korda tailor-made athlete
01:22:03She won her fifth start in a row. Well, this was a major. Whoa, that's sick. What major?
01:22:11The Chevy I think that's a major. Yeah, cuz Chevy. That's true. What a great brand that is true
01:22:18Checking yeah, you know what? Let's start with the LPGA if you
01:22:22win five weeks in a row
01:22:25Okay
01:22:27We know that's Chevy it's a Chevy championship Chevron is not Chevy I know but we're
01:22:34I got my brands mixed up. Okay. Also you guys won't want to call dibs on
01:22:40Miles Russell, okay
01:22:4215 years old first ever youngest ever player to make the cut at the corn ferry tour. Okay dibs
01:22:48You guys I'm sick with Charlie. I got two dibs. No, we have Brooks and Max. Yeah. No, but for future
01:22:55Yeah, you could do for who's got next yeah, we need we need to yeah and finally it was range it rain delay right now
01:23:02But Scotty is up by five with three holes left. Yes guys, which is insane
01:23:06You know what?
01:23:06We can't have two that we can have two next guys up because I think it'll be good for Charlie to have this type of
01:23:12Competition where it'll be like Arnold Palmer Jack Nicklaus. Yeah true winning all those majors between them
01:23:17Yeah, it'll be good for this for the growth of the game. Yeah, so the future is in good hands. Mm-hmm
01:23:22I like it. All right, let's do Tom McShay and then after Tom McShay we have mr
01:23:28Paris picks which we won't do mr. Pear on every episode, but we have to get him a win on an episode
01:23:33Well, then he'll be more of a football turtle
01:23:35We'll do some Instagram lives with them for other big NBA NHL games
01:23:39But we have to get this fucking stupid-ass turtle a win. I think we should fade the turtle
01:23:45I'm gonna fade the turtle if I fade the turtle he's gonna win. I'm gonna fade him
01:23:48I'm gonna fade whatever this pick is. That's promise. Okay, and or I tossed this out here earlier
01:23:53But if he continues to lose we should punish him in some way. Okay, or we can just blame memes. Yeah
01:23:59Memes already trying to give this turtle to my kid. No, no punishing. No punish
01:24:02Okay, no punishing of the turtle, but we can blame memes. No, we could verbally punish him
01:24:09No PETA no punishing. You can't you can't verbally berate an animal. I will get eye-to-eye with mr
01:24:16Fucking loser, you know what mr. Pear? I'm not mad. I'm I'm just disappointed
01:24:20I got a problem in my house because my kids love mr. Pear. They met him today. They were so pumped
01:24:26Meme just keep saying it's your turtle. Yeah, he's trying to pawn him up on off. Mr. Pear. That was the fastest thing
01:24:31But is this we zone two? He's got he's got win some games
01:24:34This this turtles will live or lose every years in Matt and memes already trying to get rid of him four days in
01:24:39He's got a winner lose them all
01:24:41Yeah, it's true. I hope he keeps losing
01:24:44Okay
01:24:45Let's get to Tommy shape if you got a quick at before we get to Todd McShay
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01:25:40Okay, it is draft week it is time we welcome on our good good friend recurring guest Todd McShay
01:25:48Todd first of all, how you doing? Ready for draft? Yeah
01:26:01So, I mean there's nothing better than draft time I know you've you still been doing all the work all the calls
01:26:07Let's start at the top
01:26:08Kale Williams is a bear so we can just say that right like there's it's 100% slam-dunk
01:26:14Don't tell me that when I paint my fingernails on Thursday night. I'm gonna look like
01:26:20And I know you will yeah now that's that that's a lot I just find it interesting right like
01:26:26We get to the end of the season and all you get all these anonymous scouts who are like, you know
01:26:31I don't I wouldn't take him there if I was making a decision for Chicago
01:26:35I would be worried I would be concerned about all these things
01:26:38you're crying in the stands with his mom and painting his fingernails and and do his teammates love him and all that and then you
01:26:45get to the combine and
01:26:47it's like
01:26:48all the media has time now to go out and have dinners and drinks and
01:26:54Interact with all the people in the league and then immediately it's like two days into the combine. Oh, yeah
01:27:00Yeah, yeah, Caleb's going to Chicago. Yeah
01:27:03Yeah, cuz he's he's been the first pick for two years now, so it's like yes
01:27:10Right, right
01:27:11So it's the fatigue is there where people are picking apart and he's gonna be a bear
01:27:16So so with knowing that he's going to be a bear
01:27:19Let me ask you this. Where does the draft start?
01:27:21well
01:27:22let me just before we pass on Caleb because I know you care about this like
01:27:25You go back and look at some of the situations that the number one overall pick has been drafted into
01:27:30And it's been ugly like Bryce young last year
01:27:33I would argue is the ugliest situation that any of these these number one overall picks at quarterback have been
01:27:39You know drafted into 2 and 15 last year's traded
01:27:43Christian McCaffrey staff fired owner all the issues with David Tepper that we know no weapons. No protection. So
01:27:50Like everyone's like Straub. You should have taken Stroud and maybe they should have okay
01:27:55But maybe they should have had a better organization around him go back to Trevor Lawrence in 2021 and
01:28:01Trevor hasn't become the guy that we thought he was going to be to this point
01:28:05We're still waiting for him to make that like that third step if you will
01:28:09But as a rookie with urban Meyer that situation disasters in terms of the organizational leadership
01:28:16No protection. No weapons. He had you know, three and fourteen is a rookie Doug Peterson comes in
01:28:22They had a couple weapons. They protect them a little better and they make that huge jump. They made in the second year
01:28:27So like these number one overall picks are typically drafted into really bad situations. I don't think it's the case in Chicago
01:28:35Yeah
01:28:35I think you're gonna see a big jump like what Ryan pulls is done from last from last year to this year
01:28:41Also having the number nine overall pick the general manager has kind of seen the vision
01:28:46Let's put things around the quarterback position so that when when we do draft Caleb next year
01:28:51We're gonna put him in a better situation now all of a sudden
01:28:55Caleb comes in and you've got DJ more
01:28:58Keenan Allen
01:29:00Deandre Swift and depth behind him at running back Cole come at it tight end
01:29:04Like this is this is as good a situation as we've seen in a long time
01:29:09Like going back to beyond like Tyler Murray in 2019 beyond Baker Mayfield 2018 Cleveland
01:29:14This is you have to go back a while to say which quarterback was in this good of a situation
01:29:20That Caleb Williams is entering into as the number one overall pick I love it
01:29:24Yeah, I love it. And it's why all the talk about him like oh, he's gonna say he doesn't want to go to Chicago
01:29:29It's like when is the seven and ten team ever gonna draft one number one overall again?
01:29:33Like that's the other part is the team they weren't great, but they were not the worst
01:29:38They weren't a two-win team and their defense is good. I'm I couldn't be more excited
01:29:42I agree, obviously that this is a perfect situation for him and I am
01:29:48I'm just going I'm all in I'm going all in I don't care like what people are gonna say all this stuff
01:29:53I think he's the first Gen Z quarterback that will piss people off, but everything else he's gonna be awesome
01:29:59And I'm pumped for it. So knowing that he's going one
01:30:03PFT is up on the clock at two. What's the pick gonna be?
01:30:07It's gotta be Jake. Yeah, and I know that everyone is linking Drake May and there's all sorts of you know
01:30:15Conversations there Drake May has tremendous upside
01:30:19You better be ready though with Drake May to sit him for a year when you look at the history of draft drafting quarterbacks
01:30:25Numbers of starts then you look at Drake May specifically the inconsistency with his decision-making at times with his footwork
01:30:32Which leads to you know erratic accuracy. I
01:30:36Think Drake May could wind up being the second best quarterback in this draft
01:30:41Maybe if put in the right situation and has time to develop like Patrick Mahomes had a full year, you know, so
01:30:48To me I think in the right situation. He'll be great Jaden Daniels
01:30:53I got done with the tape at the end of the season and I was like damn
01:30:57I don't know like if I'm just evaluating this past year 2023. I
01:31:03Don't see a huge difference between Caleb and Jaden
01:31:06I don't like you gotta remember like with Caleb
01:31:08There's that Notre Dame game and there were losses at the end of the year and he's trying to do too much and
01:31:13That will he'll work that out of his system when he gets to the NFL and has more structure and a better defense and all
01:31:19those things
01:31:20But from just based off the tape and then you had the mobility with Jaden
01:31:24The fact that the improvement that he made over the last two years playing in a pro style system
01:31:29Understanding and trusting his reads. I think he's got a chance to be special
01:31:33And so when I'm done with the tape
01:31:35I always try to always try to kind of wrap my board figure out who I like and then I start making calls. I
01:31:42Promise you of the dozens of calls that I've made from January to now with guys in the league general managers
01:31:49Personnel directors scouts all over the league. There isn't one person I've spoken to
01:31:55That believes that Drake May
01:31:57Should be drafted number two over Jaden Daniels
01:31:59I even talked to teams going back going back to February where teams were like, yeah
01:32:06We're still debating between Caleb and Jaden at number one
01:32:09Okay
01:32:09so it was like that first tier has been for teams has always been kind of Caleb and Jade and then the second tier is
01:32:17Drake and then the third tier is JJ McCarthy and then you get into the fourth tier where you can start talking about Michael
01:32:23Pennix and Bo Nixon those guys. Yeah, I also think Cliff Kingsbury as the OC in DC
01:32:28I feel like Jaden Daniels would be the guy that he would want easily over Drake May right with the system that he runs
01:32:34Yeah, I mean, yeah, I could see that
01:32:37I think I think
01:32:39When you look at the system that Drake came from versus the system that Jaden came from the two years that Jaden had at LSU
01:32:46The mobility that he that he provides as an extra element
01:32:49you know cliff and what he was able to do with Tyler and
01:32:53And what what he's always wanted to do in his system didn't always in college have mobile quarterbacks
01:32:58But that was it
01:32:59I remember sitting in Cliff's office talking like the next evolution for him was finding more mobility at the quarterback position because everyone's like
01:33:07Well, it's all it's all air raid. It's right. It's Mike Leach and all that stuff
01:33:11really like that all transformed from the Mike Leach system to
01:33:16You know to what we've seen go on at Oklahoma and then USC recently like they
01:33:22Lincoln Riley
01:33:24Adjusted it where you had like the guard tackle
01:33:26Backside pulling and more physical and then adding that element of the of the quarterback run
01:33:31We saw a little bit with Baker more so with Tyler and that's what what Cliff saw
01:33:36Going to Arizona was like wait, I can run what we'd run
01:33:39We could be more physical in the run game, but we get a quarterback
01:33:42It's going to give us numbers and get us out of trouble
01:33:44Yeah
01:33:45That to me is the pinnacle of where they want that system to be and that's what Jayden provides and Drake is mobile
01:33:52But he's not Jayden, right? Yeah. Yeah Jayden special and you're right
01:33:56I feel like if you're running the air raid system, it's great to have all those shots downfield
01:34:00but it's also great to have a quarterback that if those are covered you get an easy 10 yards and
01:34:06Jim Daniels was electric in college. We watched all those games. We sat down. We watched the tape Todd
01:34:11You know, we we grind right you guys have a ball
01:34:15Yeah, I don't think the Josh Allen here you guys were studying the tape you hit you hit on it
01:34:20Yeah, lots of tape measure on his hand. You guys felt it felt like a highlight real organization
01:34:26Yeah, now I see you guys like the coach coaches. Now. We're now we're different
01:34:30So sometimes better be lucky than good. So Josh Allen here. Yeah, so on the tape that I've studied with Jayden Daniels
01:34:36I noticed his elbows kind of fucked up
01:34:37Is that a problem at all as any team out there looking at his elbow and they're like that elbow is too weird to be
01:34:42A quarterback it is weird
01:34:44Yeah, have you ever seen elbow like that?
01:34:49My favorite I don't know if you've been on Twitter
01:34:51But do yourself a favor if you want like 30 seconds of a laugh look up Jayden Daniels and loony tunes, okay
01:34:58Okay, there's a so what I forget who did it. I wish I wish I had it on me, but someone put together a
01:35:04Reel of all the plays were because yeah, whatever. Yeah when he gets car crash. Yeah when he when he gets hit he gets
01:35:12Flailing arms legs like limbs everywhere. Yeah, so it's not awesome
01:35:17If you're a general manager, right like we're gonna have to learn to slide a little bit better make better decisions
01:35:22But but it's worth a 30-second lap
01:35:24That's what some people in DC are a little bit gun-shy about and I get it because we still remember the RG three years
01:35:30He did not learn how to slide and when he got hit he would get yeah
01:35:34He was very very bad at protecting himself
01:35:36And actually the the wounds go a little bit deeper in DC
01:35:39You can go all the way back to Jason Campbell and he never learned how to slide either and he was a first-round pick
01:35:45So a lot of people in DC are a little bit afraid of getting a quarterback. Here's how to protect themselves
01:35:50Yeah, here's the difference between Jayden and and RG three RG three was a track sprinter
01:35:56Everything was straight line
01:35:57He was a 4-3 guy could you know his burst when he when he caught a crease he could go
01:36:02But he didn't if you really studied him, he didn't have much wiggle. Yeah, he wasn't the twitch guy
01:36:08Snap guy. So to me like when you watch Jayden, he's both he's fast and quick. Yeah
01:36:13Yeah, so and that will that will allow him to protect himself
01:36:16So there are a lot of guys in this draft that are declining workouts for whatever reason
01:36:20They've got their own plan that they want to put forward. They're confident in their tape showing it to general managers
01:36:24They want to let that speak for itself
01:36:26My question is how in-depth are GM's getting in front office is getting
01:36:30When they break down film of a guy where they don't have a 40 time on paper for him
01:36:35Are they straight are they comparing him on the field to players?
01:36:40where they know that guy's 40 speed and they can kind of
01:36:43Extrapolate what the true numbers for this prospect are or how important is it if a guy chooses not to do those specific drills?
01:36:51To be honest with you
01:36:52Like if you're going to be a top 10 pick and scouts and GM's around the league will hate me for saying this
01:36:59If you know like if it's if it's certain you're going to be top 5 7 even 10 top 10 pick and you're not competing
01:37:06With one other guy to go, you know
01:37:08Like Marvin Harrison jr. I think Malik neighbors has a chance to be more more dynamic and explosive
01:37:13But Marvin Harrison jr. Is the most NFL ready player at any position in this class?
01:37:18Marvin Harrison knows if he doesn't go number four, he's gonna go number five overall
01:37:22He's gonna very likely be the first non quarterback drafted in this class, right?
01:37:26So, what would you rather let me ask you this? What would you rather?
01:37:30this guy who you're gonna make a 30 plus million dollar investment on for the next five years and
01:37:36Has to show up and be ready not only like for two years down the road and in that five-year investment
01:37:41But right away we need this guy to be ready
01:37:44Would you rather him training in a facility in Arizona or Florida
01:37:48Working on his box jumps and it's you know
01:37:51He's get off speeds take off speeds and the in the 40-yard dash or would you rather him like like Marvin Harrison jr.
01:37:58Has been working with NFL veterans to continue to polish his route running and work on his is, you know
01:38:05Certain aspects of his games flexibility, although so that he's he's ready for week one
01:38:11More so than and you know
01:38:13All these rookies you talk to rookies halfway through their year their rookie year and they're like, I'm exhausted
01:38:18Like I wasn't in the football shape that I'm always used to being in it wasn't a year-round training for football
01:38:24It's training for the Olympics, right?
01:38:25And so to me it only makes sense and the other thing that people get get mixed up on this
01:38:3240-yard dash is great for television and there's absolutely there's there's credence and value to it
01:38:38Especially in positions like wide receiver and cornerback
01:38:41But today it's so different today with the catapult system the miles per hour that we have this
01:38:48They're wearing the thing on their body the GPS tracker. Mm-hmm
01:38:52I know if a guy's running at max speed 21 miles per hour or 24 miles per hour, right?
01:38:58And that translates to me like I'm not saying we're ever gonna get rid of the 40
01:39:03I don't think that that's where we're headed at all because it's another opportunity to see apples to apples comparison
01:39:08But I now not only know what top speed is, but how fast they get to top speed
01:39:12I know how fast they practice. I know how many steps they did
01:39:16I know everything about the movement of every player that I'm getting ready to draft because you're not just doing it in the NFL
01:39:22College programs are doing it, you know from the day they step on camp. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense
01:39:27It does feel like we have more data than we've ever had
01:39:29All right
01:39:29So Drake Bay is gonna go to the Patriots even though Hank our draft expert here on PMT says that he wants Marvin Harrison
01:39:36And he doesn't care who's throwing to him that it will work out. So
01:39:40after that, I think the intrigue in the top 10 and correct me if I'm wrong is
01:39:46where is JJ McCarthy gonna go and
01:39:49like so give me your JJ McCarthy take and then tell me where he's gonna go because he is
01:39:54Confusing in the fact that we saw him play. He was phenomenal when he was asked to throw
01:39:59He was not asked to throw a lot and it's a typical like guy who?
01:40:04You know if he asks four months ago, he's a second rounder now he's being talked about as the fourth pick overall
01:40:10So what tell us the JJ McCarthy story and where you think he's gonna end up JJ McCarthy has all the traits
01:40:16JJ McCarthy's a winner JJ McCarthy a year ago. We were worried is he big and physical and strong enough?
01:40:22He's put on 15 pounds in the last year. He's got the kind of frame
01:40:25He'll continue to get bigger and stronger and he's been durable
01:40:29JJ McCarthy
01:40:32Can process quickly enough and will continue to get better and if you watch him throw it, here's the here's the big thing
01:40:38Here's how I would break it down and try to simplify
01:40:41Everything you need to see from him
01:40:43You can see especially now with like the cutups and the third down and seven plus at all
01:40:48You can find everything
01:40:50But whereas like for for Caleb Williams
01:40:53Who's got more starts and then just and was throwing the ball more and for Jaden Daniels a lot more starts and was in an offense
01:41:01Asked him to carry the team more
01:41:04You're gonna see
01:41:0540 clips of one thing over the course of his career JJ. You might only see 10. Mm-hmm
01:41:11So it's a volume thing, you know, how much volume in that catalog? Are you able to see so is there a risk in that?
01:41:18Absolutely, and and the other thing and when I talk to teams in the league, I always ask how's this guy gonna succeed?
01:41:25How's this guy gonna fail? Like what why what would be your concern in drafting him?
01:41:29It I always get the same thing it's it's the lack of volume
01:41:33I wish I could see more of these certain red zone, you know third
01:41:36You know first down play it like certain things that Michigan just was so committed to the run in their system
01:41:42So it starts with the volume and then the second thing that I always get is
01:41:47There wasn't a quarterback, you know
01:41:48No
01:41:48No other quarterback in this class had the supporting cast that JJ had and then the pushback is won't wait a second
01:41:55Gets you first-round wide receivers you throw it. Yeah, but look at the protection
01:41:59You're the Joe Moore, you know offensive line the best offensive line in college football two years ago
01:42:03They didn't win it this past year, but should have won it
01:42:06We saw that against Washington which wound up winning, you know, how much more efficient and physical that offensive line was
01:42:13So protection was their
01:42:15System protected him defense was phenomenal the last two years for Michigan
01:42:20So he was never put in a Caleb Williams situation where we go out and score 40 we might lose right, you know
01:42:27So those are the two things that you debate there if you're looking at the big picture now Caleb's going one
01:42:33Jaden should absolutely go to Drake May is most likely going to go three to New England
01:42:39I think there's a like a big time outside the box scenario where New England tries to move down back up
01:42:45It's kind of crazy with it
01:42:46But Robert Kraft is going to make sure that they get a quarterback that's exciting for the for New England moving forward in the future
01:42:52So let's assume those three come off the board
01:42:55Arizona's sitting at four
01:42:57Monte I support the GM. Hey, you know has shown that he likes to move around
01:43:01He did a lot of that last year, but they've got a bunch of picks
01:43:04and so I don't know that moving back necessarily helps them and
01:43:08And when you you get to know Monte and what he looks for in the physicality and looking the part and all those sorts of
01:43:13things I
01:43:15Just think that the Marvin Harrison jr. Makes too much sense. They need a weapon
01:43:19They've got their quarterback that they're gonna ride with for a little while because the contract situation and what we know we can
01:43:24Selfie, so I think they stick it for unless they get a phenomenal offer
01:43:29I think Arizona six or four and takes Marvin Harrison jr. Five though is where the move is gonna be made
01:43:35Yeah, in my opinion the Chargers won out Jim Harbaugh once offensive line and and Joe Ortiz the new general manager
01:43:43Came from the same tree, you know as Joe Douglas would did with the Jets
01:43:47They were all in Baltimore with Ozzie Newsom and Ozzie Ozzie's big thing is always let's sit
01:43:52Let's sit tight trust our board the player if we have to draft there. We don't get a good deal
01:43:57We know that the player we're going to get there is a good player
01:43:59But let's wait for a team to panic. Yeah, and let's exploit them
01:44:03Think about all the moves that Ozzie did moving back exploiting teams that were in a panic in that
01:44:0910-15 minute clock and that's what the Chargers are going to do and Minnesota's the most likely team as we know sitting at 11 and
01:44:16Obviously the 23rd pick the trade they already made with Houston
01:44:21So they've got the they have the picks to package to move up
01:44:24They'll have to probably give away at number two worst case in number one next year
01:44:28But I think Minnesota is a team that moves up and goes and gets J.J. McCarthy
01:44:32And and J.J. Has been tied to them for a long time. And by the way, I get news for you
01:44:37With their play calling
01:44:40With with Justin Jefferson with the protection they have I would say even though I think Caleb's better and I think I think
01:44:48Jaden's better. I think Drake may has a higher upside
01:44:51J.J. McCarthy could have the best working year of all the quarterbacks if he lands in Minnesota that that's the most desirable spot for these
01:44:57Oh, wow, interesting. So who's the who's the first defensive player to get drafted? I'm glad you asked that
01:45:03Everyone
01:45:05Good job. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you, Dallas Turner
01:45:08The edge rusher from Alabama is where I've had more time this year to read all these mock drafts. It's kind of comical
01:45:17I love that. I love that. I love that McShay is like wow, this is what I've been doing. Yeah
01:45:24It's fan fiction, it's fan fiction for guys
01:45:27I love it. I love it. And I get news for you. Everyone like NFL teams try to you know, this macho thing where mock drafts are ridiculous
01:45:34Well, there hasn't been a general manager
01:45:36I've talked to that doesn't have some sort of system where they
01:45:38Take the three or four mock drafts that they trust the most put it into some database and plug it out and utilize that to
01:45:44Try to figure out what other teams are doing. Right, right. So it is a tool used in the NFL
01:45:49but what I'll say with these with the mock drafts is everyone has got is got a
01:45:55Dallas Turner the edge rusher from Alabama going eight to Atlanta like every if you light up all the mock drafts eight to
01:46:00To Atlanta and maybe he is the first defensive player and maybe that's where Atlanta goes. They certainly could use an edge
01:46:07But the more people I've talked to in the league
01:46:10The more I get the sense that Byron Murphy defensive tackle from from Texas
01:46:14Could be and I don't want to say he's most likely but if there's going to be a surprise in the top ten is Byron Murphy
01:46:20Okay, teams teams are looking for interior pass rushers
01:46:24There's so few impact just sticking the top of your head like how many like elite impact
01:46:30Interior defensive lineman pass rushers are there? Yeah, Aaron Donald was one
01:46:34Yeah, he retired you can get to like five six seven right in that range where you're like, yeah that do like we got it
01:46:40We got to account for him
01:46:41Yeah, and so Byron with his quickness and power and just the way he penetrates and disrupts
01:46:47I think that he's going to be a major impact player
01:46:50He's ready to play right away and teams are looking for that
01:46:53So, I don't know if it's you know, Tennessee surprises at seven Atlanta at eight Chicago at nine
01:46:59Even though everyone's mocking a wide receiver
01:47:01What if what if MHJ Malik neighbors and Romo Junze are off the board?
01:47:06Which is the absolute I mean the Giants we know Arizona
01:47:10The Chargers Chargers could take a wide receiver
01:47:14The Giants could take a receiver at six the Titans could take a receiver seven
01:47:19So all three of those receivers could be off the board and Byron Murphy could be the pick at number nine
01:47:23For the Chicago Bears. Okay, what's crazy is we're talking about all these great players and there are a lot of good ones
01:47:28But to me the guy that is going to be
01:47:31Maybe have the best career out of all of them
01:47:33We haven't even says name yet Brock Bowers and it feels like Brock Bowers is
01:47:38People are penciling them into the Jets right now
01:47:40Is that gonna be a pick where he falls like number ten and everybody's like ah shit Brock Bowers they got him
01:47:46We should have taken him earlier
01:47:47Yeah, absolutely could be it could be brought it. Here's the tough part with Brock Bowers
01:47:52The tape is phenomenal. He's one of the five or six best football players in this draft
01:47:58Everyone would agree, right?
01:47:59But he looks like a like a tall banker who like put you know played in a fraternity like basketball
01:48:06You know, yeah bleak and in that he just doesn't look the part
01:48:10Didn't work didn't run the 40 because he had the injury and did the recent like Georgia makeup pro day and did all the position
01:48:16Drills, but so you don't have the 40 on him. He doesn't look the part
01:48:19He's coming off the injury and most importantly all those things aside because I think tape wins out on him
01:48:27The tight end position like this is this is an investment and you're invested in quarterbacks
01:48:33Pass rushers
01:48:35wide receivers now
01:48:36Which wasn't always the case but wide receivers because the game has changed so much my makers and then guys who can cover those those play
01:48:41Makers of quarterback. Yeah, and so are you willing to take a tight end?
01:48:45Who's not going to ever be a great blocker doesn't necessarily look the part all the physical traits is he up there with everybody else?
01:48:51I think that's the question but then I look at the Jets at 10, right?
01:48:55I think for Joe Douglas again
01:48:58We talked about we talked about Joe Ortiz the new GM of the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh and how I
01:49:04Would bet money that they move out of that number five spot
01:49:08The Jets don't have a second round pick and that's not a comfortable neighborhood for Joe Douglas to be living in right now
01:49:13Okay, he also needs offensive tackle. They brought in a couple, you know, 33 year olds or whatever their ages are as band-aids
01:49:22But but what if one of those guys gets injured and the history says one if not, both of those guys are going to get
01:49:27injured so
01:49:28They want to draft an offensive tackle there, but you're sitting at 10
01:49:32You don't have a second round pick as we traded away as part of the Aaron Rodgers deal
01:49:36And we don't pick again until until the third round
01:49:38so I
01:49:40Could see the Jets moving out of 10 now that doesn't mean that Brock Bowers won't still be there if they make a deal to
01:49:46Move back. What if what if JJ starts to fall right and and you've got you've got the Raiders at 13
01:49:52I don't know if they would want to move up
01:49:53But certainly the the Broncos at 12, even though they don't have the second round pick as well
01:49:59What if they can move back two or three spots?
01:50:01I still think Bowers if he doesn't go 10 the next place I would look at would maybe 15 to to the Colts 17
01:50:1114 to the Saints
01:50:1215 to the Colts that range so maybe the Jets move back and still are able to get Bowers or maybe the Jets move back and
01:50:19And get an offensive tap yeah, because if it's not Joe Walton in Notre Dame
01:50:23There's there's six or seven
01:50:25Offensive linemen guys that are tackles that could move inside that are gonna go in this first round is one of the best offensive tackle
01:50:31Classes I can remember in the last decade. I love to hear that
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01:52:24The yeah Brock Bowers the the mistake Brock Bowers made was taking that picture next to Gronkh if he didn't take that picture
01:52:31No, I think everything like everything would be fine. That one picture
01:52:37Got that guy was what he was in the league. That's what it's supposed to look like
01:52:42And he was wearing the black shoes to that made him look like yeah, it's like yeah, he was a banker
01:52:47You're right. It's it stops. All right
01:52:48so
01:52:49You said something there the wide receiver class like it is
01:52:52Now become it used to not be something that teams would draft as high as they're drafting now
01:52:56It's just every year got to get one of these guys. It's
01:53:00From all I've read one of the best wide receiver drafts you have Marvin Harrison a dunes a and neighbors
01:53:07who though after that is a
01:53:10Someone that you're very high on
01:53:12that might be in the late first round early second round that teams can be like look if we don't get one of these
01:53:17Three guys we can wait and we can get a really really good wide receiver going forward
01:53:22I think it's gonna be another year. We've seen this historically
01:53:25I think it's gonna be another year where where there are two or three guys in the second round to go that wind up being more
01:53:30Productive than one or two guys in the first round
01:53:32Yeah
01:53:32I really do and I believe strongly in Marvin Harrison jr
01:53:35Doesn't have the twitch and kind of that after the catch ability that Malik neighbors have but Malik doesn't have the size of Marvin Harrison
01:53:42jr
01:53:42But they're both going to be absolute stars in the NFL
01:53:46Romo Junze is going to be a damn good player
01:53:49Devante Adams is probably the best it is the best case, but he's that kind of player. Okay
01:53:54After that, you've got a D Mitchell
01:53:58from from Texas
01:53:59I think Brian Thomas is probably wind up being that from the other LSU receiver probably being the fourth receiver off the board
01:54:08Xavier Xavier Mitchell
01:54:11Xavier worthy. Sorry the other Texas wide receiver
01:54:14Those are the guys that I think will wind up going in the first round, but I'm telling you right now lad McConkie. Yeah
01:54:20From Georgia is it is so dynamic in terms of his route running ability ability to separate and
01:54:26After the catch ability and the consistency with his hands
01:54:30Ricky Pearsall from Florida is the best route runner in this class and everyone's like yeah. Well, he's not he's not overly fast
01:54:37He's not you know, he's not dynamic and explosive. We ran a 4-4-1 in this 40-yard dash, right?
01:54:41And he had a 42 inch vertical. You can't tell me he's not explosive. And so
01:54:47Lad McConkie Ricky Pearsall
01:54:50Xavier Liggett Xavier Liggett from South Carolina is a player that I look at like I can get him in the second round
01:54:56And it so to me here's how it's gonna play out all these receivers
01:55:01The top three receivers gonna come off the board quickly
01:55:03But there's a bunch of teams that have tackle and wide receiver as their top needs if you will
01:55:10If I look at it as a combination of the two like a combo picks I call right
01:55:15Arizona picks at 4 and 35. I think they're going to take Marvin Harrison jr. But
01:55:20Wouldn't you maybe rather have Joel the best left left tackle in this class and then get a Xavier Liggett in the second round?
01:55:26Chargers 5 and 37 again, they could move out of that spot
01:55:29But what if they take Joe Walt instead at number 5 and then at 37 you get a lad McConkie
01:55:35The Giants at 6 and 47 they traded out
01:55:38They they gave their pick away to Carolina for 39
01:55:40But uh, but they but they have the 47th pick so in another trade
01:55:46That's another team tackle wide receiver the Titans 7 and 38. So there are four teams there
01:55:52It's going to be interesting to see are we're just going to get the best wide receiver and try to get tackle in the second
01:55:57Round or do we realize there's a hell of a lot more depth because everyone's talking about how great this tackle classes
01:56:03And it is I mean, you've got Joel to Lisa
01:56:07Fuaga from Oregon State only for shadow from Penn State. You got JC Latham from Alabama a Marius Mims from Georgia
01:56:15Troy
01:56:16five ton of five ton new from Washington Tyler Guyton from
01:56:21Oklahoma all those guys know we're going the first round and then there's a kind of a significant drop-off in the second round
01:56:27So while we're all talking about wide receiver
01:56:29It won't shock me if the tackles go faster than expected and then there's a big run on receivers late first early second
01:56:37Yeah, Xavier worthy to to Las Vegas
01:56:39That's just seems like a great fit if we're going based on like history of teams
01:56:44Drafting based on specific rates. You can tell Davis was still alive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
01:56:50Yeah, I would just love to see that
01:56:53I would love to see the Ouija board that they have set up in the draft room. Tell them Xavier worthy no matter what?
01:56:57Yeah, Vegas. Yeah. So what about Cooper to Jean we've taken an interest in Cooper to Jean player comp in the NFL
01:57:04I've got Jason Seahorn and then those snaps were Julian Edelman played defense. So he's gonna be a first rounder, right?
01:57:15He's going in the first round he's going in the first round he just had his
01:57:20Makeup pro day if you will at Iowa ran a fourth in the low four four depending on the scope you talk to
01:57:25He's a great player he's a versatile player he can play slot he can play outside corner he can play free safety
01:57:31He might be an all-pro punt returner too. I mean this guy he's a difference maker
01:57:36I think you guys can do better with your cops. Okay. Okay. I think you can dig a little deeper Chris Conte
01:57:45I'm like like almost a more mobile read Dowdy. Hey, what's that? What did teams think about the letter?
01:57:52He sent kind of a try hard move
01:57:54Yeah, I mean, yeah
01:57:58Did he actually write a letter or was it an email
01:58:02That I don't know. I believe it was a letter in an email is what is my okay. Okay
01:58:08All right
01:58:09So I got another weird question that this this draft is gonna be significant in the fact that we could finally see
01:58:16Sean McVay
01:58:17Take a first-round pick will that happen?
01:58:20It's crazy to say but Sean McVay has never had a first-round pick in the draft
01:58:27They've traded a million times the last first round pick the Rams had was Jared golf
01:58:31That was Jeff Fischer. So will they actually take a first-round pick this year?
01:58:36Will they actually select in the first round and to Sean McVay even know what to do with that? I mean
01:58:41It's really more or less neat. I mean it's them together. Let's meet the general manager is a good bud money's
01:58:47And I loved it. What was it? F the draft? Yeah, fuck them pick. Fuck them pick. Yeah. Yeah, fuck them pics
01:58:53I
01:58:54Can see them packaging pics and going to move up. Oh, you know get rid of some more picks, right?
01:59:01But what about quarterback for the Rams? Oh interesting
01:59:05Well, so it are Bo Nix and Michael Pennix like they're it feels like one of the two of them is gonna drop Michael
01:59:12Yeah, I think he's gonna I think Michael Pennix is gonna go in the first round and I don't agree with it
01:59:18I have a second round great on him. I think he I
01:59:21Think he has starting caliber. He's the best pure passer in this class
01:59:25That's what we said about CJ Stroud last year
01:59:27But CJ Stroud didn't have the durability issues CJ Stroud, even though we didn't like to run was was more mobile
01:59:34Like I said like with every with every general manager I talked to it's how is this guy gonna succeed and we know it's he's
01:59:39Gonna succeed Penix's if he has great protection and good weapons and can throw down the field. That's where he excels
01:59:45How's he going to fail though?
01:59:47And that's as a scout you better be prepared to walk into the GM's office and say that like give me give me the reasons
01:59:53Why he would fail and what we would have to do to prevent him from failing
01:59:57Well, we got to see in a two-game span right in the CFP semifinal in the national championship
02:00:03How he's going to succeed against Texas protection deep ball when he when everything's right
02:00:08He's gonna be able to pick you apart and then we saw how he's gonna fail mix up coverages
02:00:13Confuse him make him make him stay in the pocket a quarter count longer than he's comfortable
02:00:18And it's not that he can't read he can read as fast as any one of these guys
02:00:21But it's the lack of mobility in the pocket and then the durability and he's tough as nails
02:00:28He fought through that game, but he he took too many took too many hits
02:00:31And I think that's gonna happen in the league and I worry about him holding up
02:00:35The multiple knee injuries in the past so but at the end of the day
02:00:38It's interesting when I talk to people in the league at the end of the season
02:00:42Let's go back to the beginning of season coming into the year day three guy. Okay end of the season
02:00:49Third fourth that range then it was you know as the coaches got involved it became
02:00:56Absolutely second round and now as we get close and everyone's looking at it
02:01:00You're starting to hear somewhere in the first I've even heard rumors maybe the Raiders at 13
02:01:06I that's too rich for me, but I think Michael Pennix goes in the first round
02:01:11Bo Nix is fascinating to me. Now. I was talking to Kuiper about this the other day like Bo Nix
02:01:18Everyone puts him at 12 to the and again, I'm reading too many mock drafts this year. I'm bored at times
02:01:24Bo Nix is going 12 and the Sean McVeigh. I'm sorry the Sean Peyton
02:01:28You know comparing him to Drew Brees, and then you know the running in college the the hand span
02:01:35Like I've heard some of the most ridiculous things
02:01:37But Bo Nix if he doesn't go 12 to Denver is a second round pick according to everybody
02:01:42Well, I talked to people in the league and everyone crossed the board and it's the same thing as I see he's a backup
02:01:47He's a great guy
02:01:50unbelievable interview you know
02:01:53Son of a former player at Auburn the coach all that like he's been around the game. He's tough
02:01:58He's everything you look for it from a character and leadership standpoint, but talent wise I
02:02:03Don't I don't see a first rounder so to me Bo Nix belongs in the second round
02:02:07I think there are five quarterbacks that are gonna go Caleb Williams Jaden Daniels JJ
02:02:11Drake may JJ McCarthy and Michael Pennix, and I think round two is where you'll see bonus that makes sense so alright
02:02:17So who's your favorite?
02:02:18First round pick that no one's talking about because we've obviously heard all about the quarterbacks
02:02:23You're all about the wide receivers. We've heard about the top-end offensive tackles
02:02:27Who's the guy that you're you keep looking at you're like whoever gets this guy is gonna be just so so happy
02:02:34I
02:02:35Mentioned him before but I'll go back to Ladd McConkie, okay, but he might not go in the first round so who else
02:02:41I'm gonna say he's going oh, okay
02:02:45Braden Fisk from Florida State defensive tackles short arms no one likes him
02:02:51Might go early second, but so he doesn't fit what you're saying
02:02:53But he's gonna. I think he's gonna outplay a lot of guys that go ahead of him. I think he's a star
02:02:59I would say guys that are definitely gonna go in the first round that are overlooked I
02:03:06gave you
02:03:09Machine I'm just looking down my list
02:03:12Quinion Mitchell's got a lot of love I
02:03:15Mean there's a lot how about Nate Wiggins cornerback Clemson, okay burner everyone everyone sees
02:03:21You know the the four to eight four
02:03:23I think you read a four to eight at the combine
02:03:25But he pulled a muscle that you know when he did it and that's what you worry about these quick twitch guys
02:03:30But the thing is that he's not just a speed guy he could play off coverage
02:03:34Press coverage to play zone and man
02:03:36I think that Nate Wiggins is gonna wind up being a really good cornerback it and this is a good classic Terry and Arnold from
02:03:42Alabama Kool-Aid McKinstry is going to be late first early second round also the Alabama cornerback
02:03:48Quinion Mitchell is that a phenomenal past couple of years great at the Senior Bowl
02:03:53Exceptional combine workout he just nailed the whole process so those guys are all going to come off the first
02:03:58Come off the board in the first round with Cooper Dejean as well
02:04:02But Nate Wiggins could wind up being what the third fourth cornerback taken
02:04:07And I think he could wind up being maybe I don't want to say the best
02:04:10But maybe the second second best cornerback in this class, and I think he's ready to start right away
02:04:14Even though he's only a hundred and seventy three I like the answer because we just need one guy that when he gets picked we
02:04:19Can be like oh, that's actually an incredible pick great value. Yeah, we know ball
02:04:22I have a I have a random name for you
02:04:24I don't know if PFT knows this but we have another Danny Woodhead who's gonna get drafted
02:04:30Dylan lob out of New Hampshire really honest yeah
02:04:34Search Dylan lob out of New Hampshire caught 68 balls in 10 games as a running back
02:04:40Is he where's he gonna get drafted and is he the new Danny Woodhead?
02:04:44He could be and the only reason I say that it's not because the color of his skin
02:04:49You guys are really focusing on no. No that's about to catch it catching pass. I don't even know white guy
02:04:54I mean look it up. Okay. Hang on wait standby
02:04:57When I watch the I don't be white. I don't be white. I had no idea
02:05:01Dylan Dylan yeah Dylan out of New Hampshire
02:05:04All right, so we're off of that a
02:05:08No, I it's because of the pass catching he's like a receiver out of the running back spot
02:05:13I like he was he had a great week of the Senior Bowl
02:05:16Productive tough some of his if you go back and study his take to some of his best production was in the biggest games
02:05:21It's the best competition. I think he's gonna be a
02:05:25It's an interesting running back class is not gonna be a first rounder
02:05:28I think we could go late into the second round before running back is taken
02:05:31Jonathan Brooks should be the first running back off the board coming out of Texas
02:05:35I think there's gonna be a bunch of guys in the third fourth fifth round range
02:05:39I would say worst case law is gonna be six, but I honestly think you could go in the in the fifth
02:05:45Okay, and then it was sticking on running backs. Where's my guy Braylon Allen like I I hope he does well as a pro
02:05:50He needs to obviously he's not a great pass catcher
02:05:53But I weirdly want him to go to the Chargers because I feel like Jim Harbaugh would just be like alright
02:05:58We got this beast we can just run the ball right down your throat
02:06:01Some teams will like him more than others and I think yeah Harbaugh
02:06:04I think I think teams that are gap power scheme
02:06:08You know want to run the ball north-south give him 15 carries per game as a backup. It's rotating in and out
02:06:14He makes sense. I don't love him as much as some other guys do
02:06:18I just think it's a league where you've got to be able to catch you've got it
02:06:20You got to have something dynamic to create on your own
02:06:23I know he generates yards after initial contact with his power
02:06:26I think to me he's a fourth round draft pick best case. He goes in the third. Okay. All right
02:06:32All right
02:06:33I love this time of year because we get the anonymous scouts that are that are leaking things all over the map we get stories
02:06:39of
02:06:39Like I think it was Justin Blackman where they one team had a scout that spent a week in a bar
02:06:44Just to see how many times Justin Blackman showed up to that bar
02:06:48What's the weirdest story that you've heard of in terms of evaluating a player before the draft happens?
02:06:53Where a team is thinking something really strange outside the box to figure out whether or not this is going to be the guy they want
02:07:01Yeah, I mean I've talked to scouts that have had to spend
02:07:04Spend like a week in a small town. Mm-hmm
02:07:10Well, they're also here's the here's the thing that always surprises me
02:07:13NFL teams have have on their security groups, right and
02:07:17typically, they're former FBI guys and
02:07:20The lengths in which that they go and they said like it won't be the director of security
02:07:25but they'll send out one of their one of their guys and and
02:07:28like literally
02:07:30Follow them
02:07:32You know like like he's a suspect in a case. Yeah, that to me is like
02:07:37It's pretty amazing that they will go to that like if they're considering first round, but we have concerns, you know
02:07:42Let's follow him around and see what he's doing because there is this free time
02:07:46You know and we saw that with sweat and defensive tackle from from Texas
02:07:50It's kind of this free time where the pro days are done some of the individual workouts your schedule is done
02:07:55And now this is this free time. You're not training for the combine anymore
02:08:00We've seen year after year players tend to get in trouble during this this period like two weeks
02:08:06Three weeks leading up to the draft because they find they can get they go settle down and they're done with the pre-draft process
02:08:11And so yeah, I think I think at former FBI guys sending, you know
02:08:17Members of their staff to go like literally follow like they're like they're a criminal like Goodfellas like a helicopter following around. Yeah
02:08:24Yeah, yeah
02:08:25I've only heard in cars, but maybe the helicopters that's crazy
02:08:29So on that same note if the Laramie Tunsil draft happened today
02:08:34Would any team drop him at all one or two spots off their board because he was smoking weed on camera
02:08:40So the thing with Laramie Tunsil that it was when the information came out, right?
02:08:46And there was obviously we know that we know the whole story now being a former
02:08:50Handler a guy who thought he was gonna make some money off. Yeah got pissed off and leaked it
02:08:55Purposely that day so that teams didn't have time to get to call their security group and to go and get the answer
02:09:02So it was like everyone was
02:09:04Basically everyone the top ten was on the clock trying to figure it out. Yeah, and so they didn't have the time
02:09:10If it happened today, I'm first of all, you know, I think we've come a long way with smoking pot, right?
02:09:16Yeah, I think it's viewed very differently now, so I don't think it would be nearly
02:09:20I don't think you would drop at all just to give you a quick answer
02:09:23Yeah, it wasn't necessarily the quote-unquote crime as much as it was the timing of the incident. Yeah
02:09:31Yeah. All right. I got a couple last questions. So in a war room on draft night. Is there how does it?
02:09:37How does a good draft room work where the GM he's got his big board
02:09:42Is it so that a guy could stand up and be like look?
02:09:45I'm for my reputation on this guy like you do each of the Scouts have a certain
02:09:50Amount of guys where they will stand up and be like I want this guy. I'm telling you it's a good pick
02:09:56That's so that's done before that. None of this stuff is done
02:09:59What's going on in the war room is the calls from other teams, you know
02:10:04Figuring out who's coming off the board moving the players with their magnets off the board and all that stuff so
02:10:10At that point everything's set right, okay
02:10:14But but the meetings before it some of the stories I get I can't you know
02:10:18I can't share a whole lot some of the stories you get with like you hear the pounding in the table
02:10:23It's really just yelling and screaming across it. You know and
02:10:27Teams got to the point, you know
02:10:29Deck a couple decades ago where it got so heated that teams were like all right listen
02:10:35You know whether it's like a red dot player or a star player
02:10:39Depending on the team you get a sticker and each scout gets to go up and whether it's one two three guys depending on the organization
02:10:45And put a sticker on that one or two guys from his his area or the positions that he did
02:10:51Where he because the scouts you can remember like all these scouts get to know these players almost like you're recruiting them in the house
02:10:57Know their parents know where their agents are know all the background. They've done so much work on them
02:11:02You know personally they get to really know the individual and there's certain guys when you're done, and I've evaluated now in my region
02:11:10500 players and what what you know whittled it down to like a hundred guys
02:11:14It could be you know that we're presenting and then the team only has 175 guys or 150 on our overall board
02:11:21But like once you set the board and there's less than a couple hundred players on that board
02:11:25Who are the guys that you're gonna read?
02:11:27You know red stamp or what I put a star on and and that kind of when you're on the board and all of a sudden
02:11:34Let's say you're in the pick 20 and 19 guys have come off the board. It's typically not a first rounder
02:11:39It's much more like second third fourth round
02:11:41but now now we've got a cluster of five six seven guys with the same grade and
02:11:47In a position value like if they don't have a such a need and it's really about taking the best player
02:11:53They'll look at that and say you know what?
02:11:56Sammy our Southeast Scout swears by this guy. Yeah, we'll put his reputation on the line
02:12:01That's where that stuff happens is like two weeks leading up to the drop got it interesting
02:12:05What's the spread like in a draft room like do they do they eat dinner before they get started do they order pizza a question?
02:12:11Thanks, there's there's
02:12:14Listen I've been working at ESPN. I know our spread if I'm just gonna be honest
02:12:18You know lacking but we
02:12:21We would order
02:12:22lunches and dinners like you know sandwiches and stuff like that and you just never want to eat anyway until it's done and if you're
02:12:28Kyper you don't need or take a sip of water. Yeah
02:12:3172 hours so but in the in the draft room like there's there's food outside of the the war room and then there's snacks
02:12:38It's big snacks. Everyone talks about what the snacks are who has the best snack?
02:12:43Yeah, you know you lobby for what snacks you want. Obviously, there's a hierarchy
02:12:48Yeah
02:12:50It's it's three days
02:12:53What else what else I mean you got you get your diet sodas you got your coffee and you get your snacks
02:12:59Like it's just you and your snacks. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be standing. I'd be standing on the table for for dots pretzels
02:13:04I'd be like bring bring in the dots. Yes, Swedish fish. Yeah, give you a little
02:13:09Yeah, like it's all about relationships
02:13:12But you gotta know who's pulling the trigger who's making that decision like am I talking to GM about this or do we have like a
02:13:18Director of ops. So yeah, you've got to make sure you know
02:13:21The have a good relationship with the guy who's making that decision because now you're looking at 72 hours of your life
02:13:27Yep, and if you get shitty snacks, yeah, that's it. You don't like can ruin your dress. Yeah
02:13:32I'd like character concerns about Papa John's pizza, but I could work around those if the ceilings high enough, you know, yeah
02:13:39Yeah, right exactly the breadsticks are better with the dipping. Yes. Yes. All right. I got one last question
02:13:44It's a row back question
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02:13:56Found out something that I Mel Kiper is you just like every year you find out something new that just shocks you
02:14:04So you can tell me if this is wrong or a little off Mel Kiper doesn't own a cell phone and he has five house phones
02:14:11Yes
02:14:19All right, so I don't know if you can see yeah
02:14:22I've got one two, three four different numbers for Mel
02:14:27If I want and if I want to text I was just texting the other if I want to get through to
02:14:33Mel
02:14:34Look at all these texts
02:14:36What are they? They're just you just say Kim. It's the kid. Okay. All right, so it's his wife
02:14:42I asked him I asked him I said, you know, I want any chance I could talk to Mel
02:14:49I'm doing something with Mel next week
02:14:53And Kim right, hey, hey Todd, how are you? Yeah, I'll ask him. I'm sure I'm sure we'll get back to you today
02:14:59So like I'm gonna work through and I always busted him on that and the problem is you call the house and
02:15:05Kim will pick up and like hey, and I'll talk to Kim for like 10 minutes
02:15:10And then that'll pick up from a different landline, right? It's not like a cell phone at home
02:15:15It's like back in like the 80s where it's like you hear another phone
02:15:20Yeah
02:15:22A throwback to work to my childhood. I don't even know what's yeah. No
02:15:29Yeah, yeah big time
02:15:30Oh, but the law I just picture Kuiper like pacing with the core getting stuck around him
02:15:35Yeah, yeah, and it's just it's crazy to have no cell phone, but five
02:15:40Yeah, that's what I wonder if he even has wireless phones or if they're just cordless. Oh
02:15:45I mean cordless or has the core that like you said gets wrapped around because what I like
02:15:49Because I've been talking to mill a lot recently it sounds like he's picking it, you know, yeah, that's what I think. Yeah
02:15:55Yeah, it's not like that. Click in the beep like that. Yeah, it sounds like he is like picking it up
02:16:01Yeah, I think I'll get to the bottom of it. Yeah your tech. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's his hand is going down
02:16:08He's picking it up and there's a cord. I love that incredible. Well Todd. Thank you as always man. We really appreciate it
02:16:15You're the best and we're excited for draft. Yeah, let's go appreciate you guys. All right. Thanks, Todd
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02:17:30Let's wrap up the show
02:17:31There's one other thing that we didn't talk about with McShay with the draft that I'd meant to mention last week
02:17:36It's also related to Topgolf, which is a good sponsor
02:17:39Yeah, did you about how the commanders did their visits with all the top prospects? Oh in Topgolf?
02:17:44I think they had 20 different guys
02:17:47I like this
02:17:48But what they did was they they took all of them to Topgolf at the same time
02:17:52And they just watched them play Topgolf like and watch them compete
02:17:56I like so we had like Jaden Drake JJ all those guys just playing Topgolf and evaluating them
02:18:03I'm gonna wait to see how this plays out. Yeah to determine whether or not I like that or not
02:18:07Yeah, but it's still kind of a watch them compete. I guess it's JJ was there. I think so
02:18:11It's just shut the fuck. Oh, no. I'm just Oh Hank you and your little smug smug face
02:18:17He's feeling himself. Yes
02:18:20Clarify we can't we can't do a podcast when you have you have a double win weekend
02:18:23Yeah, the double win weekends are just really talkative this yeah
02:18:28Yeah, you're feeling max is nodding yeah violently, okay, mr.
02:18:34Pair try to win one pick challenge. That's all he's gonna do is try to win one fucking pick this stupid fucking turtle now
02:18:41Well, I thought we were talking about the yeah the play in game technically the stats don't count so mr.
02:18:46Pair you could say zero and zero zero and zero if you want to give him that excuse
02:18:50I personally don't believe in excuses. I think we got a switch to puck
02:18:53Well we're gonna do a puck too, so he's got the Knicks and Sixers out there right now
02:18:57We're gonna see what he does
02:18:59While we wait for max to set it up. I
02:19:02Had a hypothetical for you guys
02:19:05Just a crazy hypothetical you ready for it if you could pick
02:19:11Any decade that you could live in instead of this one. What would you pick hypothetically hypothetically?
02:19:18Hmm I
02:19:21Think there are a couple spring to mine
02:19:25wait
02:19:26And again any decade like you want me to go first the 12 15s would be pretty cool. Yeah the 60s
02:19:32I would go 1830s with no racism
02:19:36Okay, I just think that would rock don't you guys what happened in the 1830s just no racism though going towards the Sixers
02:19:44It's going towards the Sixers
02:19:46Did you would you guys say that's profound by me would you say that's like almost poetry, I think it's yeah
02:19:51This is very deep. Yeah, why who said that Taylor Swift? Okay? Yeah, that's one of her lyrics. You know what?
02:19:57You know my friends used to play a game where we would pick a decade
02:20:00We wished we could live in instead of this I'd say the 1830s
02:20:04But without all the racists and getting married off for the highest bid okay, so here's the thing about that
02:20:10What then they'll let us down? Oh you went Sixers?
02:20:13I want to Sixers hard
02:20:15I want to get back to Taylor though for just one second if I could do the puck do the fuck get the puck so
02:20:20Why didn't she just say like?
02:20:23The entirety of but the sex is the world without racism. No she mentioned sexism
02:20:28Why is she only getting married off for the highest?
02:20:30Why is she only getting rid of racism in the 1830s good question like somebody say it was worse in the 1840s
02:20:36Yeah, and then now now that decade is just super racist also if you got rid of it earlier
02:20:42Maybe you get rid of a lot of other bad shit
02:20:44I would you know what I would I would get rid of all the racists. Yeah, well. She did say Rick
02:20:51Yeah, I'd say the 1830s was it but without all the racists
02:20:56Okay
02:20:58What a bill what that's a beautiful line racist in the 1820s poet wiping the brow that was a close one
02:21:04What are you saying max?
02:21:08Hanks help
02:21:10So mr.. Paris picked the Sixers, I did listen to Taylor Swift album in its entirety I listen to some of it
02:21:16I think he meant you must have missed that banger of a line. I did miss that one banger
02:21:21Some some of the songs kind of sound the same
02:21:25Some people were saying not me that it was mint
02:21:32Yeah
02:21:35But that was like three songs ago, well if you have 30 songs do you have do you have an album I thought it's great
02:21:42That is that was a GTA line true
02:21:44It is very funny watching people like credit like just say I saw some people just say like I'm a huge Swifty
02:21:50I love all her music. I did not think this was a great album and people just fucking
02:21:56Ruining them just ruining them. I am what listen. She's versatile. Okay. She can do pop she can do R&B
02:22:03She can do country maple leafs name one other female singer that can do all three of those things incredible artists
02:22:09It's okay if she didn't have a great not everyone has the best albums all the time
02:22:14She said touch me well. I don't know should touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto another
02:22:21That's a poetry line did she really say that that's poetry yeah
02:22:25Are you are you sure?
02:22:27Yeah, someone told me that last night who I wasn't sure if that was you know
02:22:31I believed him or not, but Canucks one
02:22:35Okay, I'm looking back. I'm gonna have to I'm checking this right now
02:22:39So mr.. Pair high school Maple Leafs and the Sixers. Oh, no didn't Hank say to the same team. Yeah
02:22:46Yeah, they are oh no mr.. Pair might stay here loves my dear mr.. Pair fade parlay, uh-huh
02:22:53Yeah, fade the turtle. I'm gonna give mr.. Pair one more shot this fucking idiot
02:22:59We can go back even Steven
02:23:03Look at him he's fucking eating mr.. Pair look at me, bitch
02:23:07You got a win
02:23:09He's got a win. You know how to ball. I know Aristotle brand-new full-throttle was there
02:23:16So touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto
02:23:19Was there's Aristotle was a pedophile
02:23:22Probably all those guys yeah, yeah
02:23:24All those guys just like they just hung out at the pool, and just got sucked off by little kids mm-hmm
02:23:30Damn, and now would that those are the smartest guys the smartest guys ever smartest guys ever yeah, literally ever yeah
02:23:36Yeah, that's what we're taught okay
02:23:38makes sense
02:23:40mr.. Pair I
02:23:41Like that that we're like roasting Aristotle. Well. We have a fucking dude turtle pick games for us Aristotle
02:23:47Those morons Aristotle's over it Socrates now. That's a thinker Plato. What was he he was pedophile?
02:23:54Probably yeah one of Plato's dialogues says Socrates took a youth question only to bed him later on
02:24:02Plato almost certainly didn't because we know from his writings that he only he thought only heterosexual sex is truly beneficial
02:24:09Aristotle probably didn't yeah, but he you can be what his pet is pedestrian the act of being a pedophile
02:24:15I think it's yeah, this is actually around the time that pedestal
02:24:18I think that's like you go go get most philosopher. Yeah, you go get your like you get your degree in pedestrian
02:24:24Oh stoic was a was a philosopher. Yeah
02:24:28Make sense no no story is a philosophy
02:24:31Stoicism I don't know that maybe there was a guy named Stoke
02:24:35Epicurus and the sto and the Stoics yeah, yeah, I'd love to get like I want
02:24:41Aristotle is a definite. No he came from Macedonia and was appalled by
02:24:47Have they ever like there had to have been one dude in that crew
02:24:51Who just wasn't smart enough to come up with something really awesome like
02:24:57well, I think I think that dude was Alexander the Great because they taught him and then he tried to
02:25:02Like rephrase what they said and became like a philosopher King, but everyone was just like oh, yeah
02:25:07You're so smart because he would have killed him if yeah
02:25:10but I like I'm saying like I'm not even a
02:25:12King like one of the like there's probably like a fat dude like named Doug who was just like what about this Socrates mm-hmm?
02:25:18Like nah, bro
02:25:20You don't got it
02:25:23I want to know his story. Yeah, he's just like I that failed
02:25:26Yeah
02:25:27He was like he was he was gonna be next up and he just could never quite
02:25:31He could never quite get it all together like the class clown in there
02:25:34How much like Aristotle must have hated anybody that made jokes during his class?
02:25:38Yeah, that was cooler than him Socrates and Plato were famously known for not cheating on their wives
02:25:44That that sounds like
02:25:46Yeah, who wrote that Socrates?
02:25:49Well, they probably were like it's not cheating on my wife if it's a kid, yeah
02:25:54If I had stupid rules like that, I spent the entire last summer not cheating on my wife
02:26:03Hank maybe we need it. Maybe we need Hank to just give us philosophy 101
02:26:07If David Stern was in a class with Socrates and asked him have you stopped beating your wife?
02:26:12Yeah, Socrates brain would have exploded
02:26:14Yeah, like I've not even thought of pondering such a question so smart and then dug in the background would have been like no
02:26:20He beats her every fucking week
02:26:23Shut up, Doug the fuck man
02:26:26Try and do some philosophy and diddle some kids. All right numbers was Socrates gay
02:26:31Well, he gave me a BJ at a gay club in Athens
02:26:34Oh
02:26:41Eight
02:26:44Forty did you say 20?
02:26:4718 what was what was the total numbers? Oh 73 73 99 poked
02:26:5421
02:26:5740
02:27:00What's 40 Hank Geordie 40
02:27:06Didn't answer that
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