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Check out this #exclusive interview with music maestro A. R. Rahman as he discusses his upcoming film 'Amar Singh Chamkila,' directed by #ImtiazAli. Get insights into the movie's music and more!


A. R. Rahman Talks About Amar Singh Chamkila Film | Exclusive Interview on Music Maestro's Latest Project

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00:00 The music virtuoso A. R. Rahman continues to transcend boundaries of religions, regions and languages.
00:07 He continues to inspire us, entertain us, even enthrall us.
00:11 There is an unmissable glimpse of meditativeness in all his melodies.
00:16 How does he keep himself relevant and how does he create that magic?
00:21 Let's find it out from Mr. Rahman himself.
00:24 Thank you so much for joining us on Spot Boy.
00:27 First thing first, this is quite a 'hutke' title, 'Jum Kheela'.
00:31 Do thoughts run across your head when you see the title as opposed to the situations and the characters in the story?
00:37 It's a storytelling thing. Like in cinema, the wonder of cinema is to...
00:42 You also play the character. You also know what it is and then see how you can expand the storytelling.
00:50 That's it.
00:52 And of course, when you have the lead pair in your film, Parineeti and Diljit, they both are singers in their own right.
00:59 So does that make composing for them easy?
01:04 In this, the story is about two singers who got shot.
01:09 And Amar Jyoth and Jum Kheela.
01:12 So it was necessary to have somebody who can really sing.
01:16 They sang live.
01:18 We had a band prepared for them and they were all recorded live.
01:24 And then all the recordings were cleaned up.
01:28 Because here, I think they are singing, they are talking.
01:31 And the only way to do that is to have real singers.
01:34 And they did a tremendous job on it.
01:36 One of the teasers of Jum Kheela has an interesting line which goes,
01:39 "When the society is in tension, the hunger for entertainment in people increases even more."
01:46 Do you agree with that sentiment?
01:49 Yeah, I think whatever a society needs, there's a void.
01:56 Somebody comes and fills it up.
01:58 At that point of time when Jum Kheela was entertaining people, Punjab was going through turmoil.
02:04 And maybe this was the kind of entertainment they needed to distract themselves from the turmoil.
02:12 How do you transcend the boundaries of languages?
02:16 Because language has been an integral part when it comes to creating any piece of art.
02:21 Right from down south to north, India is a continent in itself.
02:26 So while working on it, what do you learn as far as languages go?
02:30 Yeah, I just finished a Malayalam film called Goat Life.
02:33 And then there's Punjabi, then there's Marathi happening.
02:36 Oh great.
02:38 I think it's a trust when you have a director who knows the language and the lyric writer who knows.
02:44 I get the feel of it, get the energy.
02:47 And the energy actually is very similar.
02:50 Not similar I would say, but if you know a little bit of the culture and you've done your research,
02:56 you just try to get the assistance of these people who have the hold of the language like Punjabi.
03:04 Like Ishaat Kamal and Imtiaz.
03:07 And in a way it actually helps me to go more wilder than be very like, oh this is what I'm going to use.
03:15 So to take a little bit of a cinematic license in the sound too.
03:19 There's an unmissable element of meditativeness in all your compositions.
03:24 So sir, please walk us through where do you get that perfect beat, that Eureka moment
03:29 where method stops and magic starts working.
03:34 I mean if the character demands it, that's hard word in all of us.
03:40 We always seek peace.
03:42 We are all in chaos.
03:44 We're all in distraction and constantly rammed with so much of information, videos, narratives.
03:51 But we all want to go to that solace.
03:54 We all want that moment of peace.
03:56 We close our eyes.
03:57 There's no peace at all.
03:58 There's sound pollution, noise pollution, air pollution.
04:01 You know, everything is happening.
04:04 The only place I feel like there's a solace which I can reflect is
04:09 if I have to experience it, I have to experience it and give it to people.
04:13 So it's a constant attempt to probably have something which they can latch on.
04:20 Where they can find solace.
04:22 Chamkira has this underlying current of rebellion.
04:27 At the same time, you are evoking nationalism as well.
04:31 And you're known for doing that.
04:33 Right from that fight for our land in Lagaan to Vandematram
04:38 and what you did in, of course, Swades.
04:42 How do you evoke that emotion as an artist, as a composer
04:46 when it comes to defining nationalism through your compositions?
04:50 I think from the beginning, music unites people.
04:55 And I think from the beginning, from Roja itself it started.
04:58 Even before Manikar wanted Bharat Hamko,
05:02 it was done as a song which I wanted to do.
05:05 But I didn't have a name at that time.
05:07 So when he came in and we were doing all these four songs,
05:09 he said, "I have one more idea. Shall I play it to you?"
05:11 So it was Tamra Tamra.
05:13 And I wanted that as a kind of a lullaby for people who got, you know.
05:19 And that became Bharat Hamko in Hindi.
05:22 And maybe that kind of triggered the energy in Maa Tujhe Salaam
05:29 and then in Lagaan or in Subhash Chandra Bose or Bhagat Singh
05:37 and the seeds of Mangal Pandey.
05:39 True.
05:40 I think I became like, oh, anything nationalistic, anything for freedom fight, go to Yadavman.
05:45 But I also wanted to do fun subjects.
05:48 After a while I had enough of that.
05:52 But there is what's inside you comes out as fun stuff.
05:56 If you're even pretentious on any of those, it will show.
05:59 Absolutely.
06:01 But I think what stayed with people like stadium singing Maa Tujhe Salaam
06:07 is fantastic how after even 25 years that energy of that song is still retained.
06:14 It's become like a youth anthem for Indian people abroad, India, everywhere.
06:20 It's a kind of responsibility.
06:22 And you're constantly comparing that.
06:24 Is the song better than that?
06:26 It can't be better because that's what it is.
06:28 It can be different.
06:30 You mentioned the word abroad.
06:32 I must ask this question to you.
06:34 How do you see the evolution of Indian music and how the West is looking at us
06:40 through the prism of diversity, through the prism of the way India is evolving?
06:45 Do you see any changes there in the perception?
06:48 I don't really go deeper.
06:50 More than the music, it's a lot of marketing money.
06:54 It is India succeeding in the world economics.
07:00 Indians now are big CEOs around the world.
07:04 Nixon, the Pitcher and Satya and all of them.
07:07 There is a leadership quality which everybody is adoring.
07:11 That is fantastic.
07:12 I think the next level will be like how South Korea is marketing BTS
07:18 as a national commitment.
07:21 I think all that should happen.
07:23 I just found I saw Anushka Shankar as a Rolex ambassador.
07:28 That's a great statement to have a classical musician.
07:33 Those things have to happen constantly.
07:36 That will change the perspective of our Indian classical music.
07:42 Then we don't have to even think.
07:46 Nothing succeeds like success.
07:51 Of course, we're talking about India going global
07:54 and representation of Indian music on the global platform.
07:57 Nobody has achieved the kind of recognition, awards and accolades like you have.
08:01 In that sense, where does the hunger now come from?
08:05 Above all, how do you keep yourself nourished, nurtured and more importantly relevant?
08:12 Relevance comes from the urge to...
08:19 I have a music school. We're sitting in the music school here.
08:23 I always feel like if I'm not successful, why should they come to this school?
08:29 I'm the example. They look up to me.
08:33 If I become dated doing boring things, why should they come to the school?
08:39 When the students come out, they have their own identity.
08:44 I get inspired by seeing these young musicians come.
08:50 I envy them because if I had that same facility when I was growing up,
08:53 I would have been probably even better.
08:55 I would have taken less time to evolve.
08:58 That's the reason why I started the school. To give people what I didn't have.
09:03 The kind of coaching and everything.
09:05 The relevance comes from...
09:09 As a listener, I want to hear new things.
09:12 I place myself as a listener.
09:16 I say, "This is boring. I've done this before. Let me do something else."
09:19 Sometimes I do something, throw it out, come back again. Stuff like that.
09:23 What was that something else for Chamkeela?
09:26 Something else was... We have heard Punjabi music. We know Chamkeela's music.
09:31 But why should I do music for this movie?
09:37 And then comes, "Oh, you can do... because you've learned stuff from
09:41 doing Broadway musicals and Western musicals.
09:44 Why can't we bring that energy into Punjab
09:48 where all the characters can sing about Chamkeela?"
09:51 And that's something which I don't think many people have tried.
09:54 So we discussed this in the beginning and said, "What if all the characters sing?"
09:58 Like, all the YouTube comments can become a song.
10:01 So all the gossip became Bhaja.
10:09 And then, you know, Narmakarja.
10:14 And the very end also, we could have done that, but we made it more personal with Arjit singing.
10:20 And of course, Chamkeela does sound very, very vibrant.
10:24 Very Chamkeela, as the terminology says.
10:27 And of course, on this one, you're working with Imtiaz Ali once again.
10:30 And Aishwarya Thakur.
10:32 What is it like to work with him? Is that more of a comfort zone?
10:36 Or do you challenge yourself as well, even in that comfort zone?
10:41 So when we have a team which there's a lot of respect and trust,
10:48 you don't want to betray them.
10:50 You don't want to give them mediocre stuff.
10:52 So I do something, I said, "I don't like it. Can I give you something else?"
10:56 If he shoots it, when it comes back, I feel like, "Oh, you've done, you've filmed it beautifully.
11:03 Maybe I should try something else, because I think this could be even more better."
11:08 So my relief of, "Oh, the director likes it. Enough. I'm going to move on."
11:13 is not there with many people, actually.
11:16 So there is time I'll say, "I don't like it. I can improve it. I'll change the rhythm.
11:19 I'll change the voice. I'll do something else."
11:22 Time is the biggest blessing for me.
11:25 If there's no deadline, I keep going on.
11:28 Change the mix. Till I have to give it away.
11:32 What have you set out to achieve with this one?
11:34 Is there a goal there? Is there an inspiration there?
11:37 Is there something that you must achieve as an artist with this one?
11:41 Yeah, it's to probably expand the whole sensibility of what this Punjabi musical is about
11:51 and give it a more broader appeal and still be relevant to the cultural aspects of it.
11:59 And have fun.
12:02 The main thing is, you can see that there's a director who's jumped into a real story.
12:07 Usually he has his own stories. First time he's taken a story which is true
12:12 and he's reinvented himself in narrating that stuff.
12:15 So I'm also part of the journey.
12:18 So my last question, the way the industry is evolving,
12:21 the kind of subjects we are toying with across the world,
12:24 in India especially, the way OTT is evolving, etc.
12:28 Where do you see the music landscape going, evolving and giving us fresher ideas?
12:34 Where are we on the trajectory?
12:37 I personally feel that there should be more live entertainment, live theatre, like Broadway.
12:44 So, you know, using all the talents which are emerging in every street,
12:48 there's amazing singers out coming on.
12:50 But where are they going after that?
12:52 They're just putting a cover on TikTok or Instagram.
12:55 What's the future of them?
12:57 Why can't we consolidate, culminate all these people and make a statement?
13:01 We don't want to have a big choir or a musical theatre group
13:04 or multiple musical theatre thing happening.
13:07 So there's a sense of pride with everybody.
13:10 Oh, my daughter's paying this cost, like how Broadway is or West End is.
13:16 So I feel like that change has still not happened.
13:20 We have one, Neetaji has built this beautiful thing.
13:23 I think every state should have one.
13:26 And so that we can do world-class stuff and people come watching.
13:30 I'm very happy to see the culture of Orissa or Karnataka or Kerala or Tamil or Punjab,
13:37 where, you know, every place, even when I went to Bali or I went to Thailand,
13:44 they have world-class entertainment showing the culture.
13:48 I don't see that here, the way it could be, because we're leading in everything.
13:55 Individuals are leading the country all over the world.
13:59 So I think that should change.
14:01 That will only happen as a mass movement, I think.
14:04 But I think now our people are ready, talent-wise, to pay the tickets and watch.
14:10 Chamkila is certainly looking vibrant and is sounding even more vibrant.
14:14 Thank you.
14:15 Here's hoping you achieve what you want to achieve with this one
14:17 and continue to entertain us, inspire us like only you do.
14:20 Thank you. God bless.

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