PTI Ke Andar Ikhtilafat Ki Wajah Kya Hai??
PTI Ke Andar Ikhtilafat Ki Wajah Kya Hai??
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00:00 But there is another thing, we are seeing that the statements that come out when we meet Khan Sahib,
00:07 there are many differences on the basis of basic issues.
00:10 Is it necessary to have discussions? No, there are different statements.
00:14 The one person who has access to Khan Sahib, the other person who is not in his position,
00:23 is this normal?
00:24 Or is the biggest weakness of Tariq-e-Insaf that if Imran Khan Sahib is not there,
00:30 will he rise as a strong and steadfast community?
00:33 Because neither the leadership of the second tier has a decision-making power,
00:36 nor is there unity, frankly, which is visible.
00:38 Maria, the second tier of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, which was originally,
00:44 that is no longer there.
00:45 All press conferences have been closed.
00:49 We all know what happened after 9th May.
00:51 Now, the people left in the second tier are Shah Mehmood Qureshi Sahib.
00:55 And after that, you have to put pressure on your mind,
00:59 which people were those who were with Imran Khan Sahib in 2018 and are still with him today.
01:08 So, the second tier has completely disappeared.
01:12 Now, here, in such a big space, and many people have been in the public eye for a long time,
01:18 so, in such a big space, the people who came in front of them, most of them were lawyers.
01:23 So, obviously, when old people are coming in front, there will be a little friction naturally.
01:29 This is a very natural phenomenon that is happening to us at the moment,
01:33 that there is also a tug-of-war between the two.
01:36 This is the first problem.
01:37 The second thing is that we should also keep in mind that
01:40 the structure of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf around Imran Khan Sahib has been formed.
01:46 And in Pakistan, fortunately or unfortunately,
01:49 it happens that a political leader has a central position.
01:55 The party determines the rank of a person by contacting him.
02:01 At the moment, Imran Khan Sahib is in jail.
02:04 He cannot meet people at will.
02:07 He is not like when he was in Lahore, in Zardaman Park,
02:12 where he used to come to the workers sitting outside or he used to meet them.
02:17 So, such a situation cannot be in jail.
02:20 So, the people who have access to this,
02:23 now it is possible that they cannot doubt anyone's intentions,
02:26 but it is possible that Imran Khan Sahib said something in a special way,
02:32 but when that thing came to us through some means,
02:35 it came to us in a different way.
02:38 Then, you see, the size of the core committee has increased a lot,
02:42 which is Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
02:44 Now, there are a lot of new people in that core committee too,
02:48 who do not know about the old style of the core committee,
02:53 they do not have a lot of institutional history of any party,
02:57 they are not connected to each other, they are friends with each other.
03:02 So, all these things that we are seeing now,
03:05 we can see that character, which we were seeing earlier,
03:10 that Sher Afzal Marwat Sahib has come forward as a new face.
03:14 Yes, yes, yes, it is polarizing and also very controversial.
03:17 Yes, it is controversial, but now we are seeing that old faces have come forward again to represent their party.
03:24 Because the tier that we used to see on TV, that is no more.
03:28 But now, some people from below…
03:31 In both these situations, we have not talked about the People's Party for a long time, Mr. Mazhar.
03:37 Now, see, how big a crisis this is, the letters written about the judges.
03:41 I remember very well, before this, there were very fierce statements of Bilawal Sahib,
03:46 of the People's Party, that judges are taken decisions by blackmailing,
03:50 but right now, he has kept himself separate from this crisis.
03:54 In fact, if we see any political crisis, or any political match, it is between PMLN and PTI.
04:02 People's Party is conveniently sitting on the side.
04:05 Look, there is no harm in the People's Party.
04:09 Suppose, like Mr. Imran Khan has said today, that a new election has to be held, let's see.
04:16 If I talk at the level of Sindh, then what will be the maximum change?
04:21 There will be a change in Karachi.
04:24 Otherwise, overall, the Sindhi position will be more or less the same.
04:29 Secondly, at the level of the government, they are in a comfort zone.
04:34 The constitutional bodies have now become, the Senate chairman is also,
04:39 it is more likely that Yusuf Radha Gilani, now the discussions that were going on,
04:43 have also almost broken.
04:45 Yusuf Radha Gilani will win comfortably,
04:49 the chairman will become the senate, and he will become the governor of the People's Party.
04:53 So, the People's Party is not seeing any change in the biggest of crises.
05:00 Okay, on the issue of judges, I was thinking for 2-3 days,
05:05 at the level of the Chief Justice, at the political level, at the level of PTI,
05:10 we all talked about 6 judges.
05:13 We all forgot that one judge, from whom the first stone was thrown.
05:18 And that was Justice Shahid, of the Law and Order Committee.
05:22 We forgot his resignation.
05:25 No one approached him, nor did anyone stand in his support.
05:32 If you look at his letter, if you look at the content,
05:39 he was very, and he had 5 years of his career.
05:44 And we did not discuss that at all.
05:49 Now, what is the situation after Eid, what is the inquiry, what is the process?
05:55 Sir, I think it is a very long matter, 3-4 weeks have been given easily,
05:59 to see, if there are any matters to be resolved, then it will be done.
06:03 He has got a very long question.
06:05 What will happen after Eid, Abhi Bakram sir?
06:07 Because, the governments do not go from agitation, from street movement,
06:10 and they should not go either.
06:12 There is a way of doing things, and through that only,
06:15 change should come.
06:17 In 2014 also, in the way of justice, so much, all kinds of facilities,
06:22 despite popularity, nothing could be done.
06:25 So, there will still be agitation, only pressure will be increased,
06:28 an active opposition will work.
06:31 Can this be done to the maximum?
06:34 Maria, one thing is that you should not compare this government to other governments.
06:39 In Pakistan, on such a large scale, there was no agitation in the elections,
06:43 and as a result of agitation, such a government was not formed.
06:47 One thing we should keep in mind, that this government should not be compared to other governments.
06:54 In 2013, Nawaz Sharif's government was formed after winning the elections.
06:59 So, it was on its footing, on its feet,
07:02 that this government is tied with the raw thread of Form 47,
07:06 which if someone opens a single loop in the election tribunal,
07:09 then the whole thread of the card will fall.
07:12 So, this should not be compared to other governments.
07:15 As far as the issues after the elections are concerned,
07:18 see, the movements will continue, some issues will move forward.
07:22 But in Punjab and in most parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
07:26 in Sindh, it gets so hot, it gets so hot,
07:30 in the next few months,
07:32 that you will see that in Pakistan, such movements are not carried out.
07:37 Right.
07:38 So, I can see a lot of noise, there will be some protests as well,
07:44 but as you say, the movement should continue,
07:48 so it will be to the extent of statements, to the extent of meetings,
07:53 in the public domain, you will see that something happened in May,
07:58 that is, some movement will continue, but after that,
08:01 as the heat increases, it will decrease.
08:03 The right season for Pakistan's politics starts,
08:06 it starts in September.
08:08 In September-October, when you see,
08:10 until then, there are a lot of situations,
08:12 if you want to make a date, then actually it will go until then.