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What message has PTI founder given to Rauf Hasan regarding Judiciary? | BIG News
What message has PTI founder given to Rauf Hasan regarding Judiciary? | BIG News
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00:00 Imran Khan has sent you a message that we are standing with Adliya. Is that true?
00:05 There is a view of the Tehreek-e-Insaf on these letters.
00:11 First of all, was Shaukat Siddiqi, who was accused of the 2018 elections,
00:24 and he said that the bench is being fixed and that the case of Mian Nawaz Sharif should not be filed before the elections,
00:32 such allegations were put. Should this be investigated in your opinion? What is the Tehreek-e-Insaf?
00:36 Thank you, Kashif. Such a pleasure being in your program.
00:40 See, I personally feel that if you want to improve the national balance,
00:46 and frankly, there is no way without it. The state we are standing in,
00:50 there is nothing beyond that. We are standing in the deep pit.
00:56 You are right. Then you will have to do a lot, including the one you are referring to.
01:02 Why not? If the role of the establishment has been there,
01:06 it is in any government, then why not investigate it?
01:10 Whether it is beneficial or not.
01:12 Whoever it is, I say whoever it is, across the board basically, because what is the purpose?
01:16 The purpose is not that the government of our time should be fine,
01:20 the rest should be ruined, the rest should be fine, or the establishment of our time should be ruined.
01:24 Or the establishment of that time is fine, and yours is wrong.
01:26 No, this is not possible. You cannot pick and choose.
01:28 You were a beneficiary of all those cases, by the way.
01:32 I don't know how much I was a beneficiary, because I stayed inside for a while and saw the government,
01:36 the constraints, the pressures, that is a different story.
01:40 You will sit again and talk about it. But it should be done, it should be done across the board.
01:44 I think it is a cross the board. First of all, you bring Ashrafiya under the bench.
01:48 Then tweet about it.
01:50 The judges of Maharashtra wrote a letter and the allegations that Shaukat Siddiqui put,
01:54 and they have supported that he should be investigated. Tarik Khan sir has said that he should be investigated.
01:58 I have said this in a couple of other programs. I have been very open and straightforward about it.
02:03 That it should be done, it should be done across the board.
02:06 If you raise substantive issues, then you cannot escape the role of an establishment.
02:14 You cannot escape the government at any cost.
02:16 So, we have an issue.
02:18 Now, the current government is also in front of you. You know how it is going.
02:22 We don't have to go into details. Everyone knows.
02:24 In the country where it is standing today, in 76 years,
02:28 I think if there is not so much role of any other institution,
02:32 in fact, the cumulative role of all institutions is not as much as that of an institution.
02:36 So, how can you overlook it? You can't.
02:38 Absolutely. We have to fix it and move forward.
02:42 We may not be able to move forward like this.
02:44 You have tweeted that it is unacceptable.
02:50 Full quote, minus CJP.
02:52 See, minus CJP is not a full quote.
02:54 Why is CJP minus?
02:56 What has CJP done that the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
02:59 who you think has done a lot of injustice,
03:02 he has done more in yesterday's hearing,
03:05 but he was giving his clarifications,
03:08 how the judges were called promptly.
03:11 See, the judges were called on the first day.
03:13 The first thing was to listen to their view,
03:16 what are their agreements?
03:17 We listened to their agreements.
03:19 Full quote was called.
03:21 A consensus was developed in that that the Prime Minister should be made an inquiry commission.
03:25 Then full quote was made.
03:26 What else can he do? He has taken the OPMT as well.
03:28 What do you expect him to do?
03:29 See, in the letter, you see who all have been implicated.
03:31 The contents of the letter, all the six judges have written.
03:34 First of all, they have said that your intelligence agencies and their operatives put pressure on us.
03:40 Second, the executive has been implicated.
03:42 Third, the letters they have written to the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court,
03:46 of which two NHGs have also been put with you,
03:48 and they have also had personal meetings with him,
03:50 despite that, there has been no change.
03:51 And by extension, the Chief Justice,
03:53 at that time he was not the Chief Justice,
03:55 at that time it was Bandyal sir, he was the Senior Puny Judge.
03:57 So, there is a mention of meetings with him in that letter.
03:59 But he has no authority.
04:00 If he says, then fine, I have no authority.
04:02 See, whether he has the authority or not,
04:04 but any effort, the letters I have read,
04:06 which I have personally read,
04:07 because I have spoken to people.
04:08 But it is the responsibility of the Chief Justice.
04:09 I am coming to that.
04:11 I am telling you.
04:12 Why Chief Justice?
04:13 I will say why Chief Justice,
04:14 because I feel that when he met with an implicated party,
04:18 with the executives,
04:19 and told them to make a commission,
04:22 and told them to make a head of it,
04:24 then I feel that he has compromised his position.
04:27 Because the executive is an implicated party in this letter.
04:30 And he also explained this during his hearing,
04:33 that as the administrative head of the court,
04:36 the government is the executive,
04:37 and his administrative head is the Prime Minister.
04:39 This meeting took place,
04:40 and it is written by the judges,
04:42 which no one contested.
04:45 It was read and told,
04:46 by the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
04:49 that the consensus was of the majority,
04:51 that the Prime Minister should be brought to the court,
04:53 and a commission should be made.
04:54 But Chief Justice,
04:56 as you said earlier,
04:57 that Chief Justice makes the decisions,
04:58 so Chief Justice should have thought about it.
05:00 No, no, no.
05:01 He is one among equals.
05:02 But the most important thing is that,
05:04 in the letter,
05:05 when he put all these allegations,
05:07 along with that,
05:08 he also showed the way forward.
05:09 The most important thing in that is that,
05:11 a judicial convention should be held.
05:12 There is a rationale behind a judicial convention.
05:14 What is that?
05:15 That is,
05:16 that we, the six judges,
05:18 we are not the effectees of this,
05:19 but we have also found in the junior courts,
05:22 that there is pressure there as well.
05:23 So, first of all,
05:24 you should listen to everyone's story.
05:25 Call them,
05:26 and let them talk about their experiences.
05:30 So that you can find out,
05:31 what is the extent of this disease?
05:34 And more people will come,
05:35 they will come forward,
05:36 and they will tell us.
05:37 They will tell us about their pressures.
05:39 After that,
05:40 the letter that is addressed to the Supreme Judicial Council.
05:42 Now,
05:43 to decide the Supreme Judicial Council,
05:45 or to make its decision,
05:47 Chief Justice does not need to talk to the executive.
05:50 He is independent.
05:52 So, according to us,
05:53 according to me,
05:54 and the people who are in the PTI,
05:55 we feel that when they consulted the executives,
05:58 and that time,
06:00 we feel that he compromised his position.
06:03 I wrote an article on this today,
06:04 my weekly article,
06:05 and it was refused by the paper.
06:07 They said that it is not there.
06:08 I will post it.
06:09 Even today, you said that,
06:10 Imran Khan has given you this message,
06:13 that we are standing with the judiciary.
06:15 Is that true?
06:16 Look,
06:17 we are standing with the judiciary,
06:19 because we have options.
06:21 We have three forums to move our struggle forward,
06:26 as a political party.
06:28 One forum is our parliament.
06:29 We are present.
06:30 We said that we will be in the parliament.
06:32 The second is that we have legal options.
06:34 In that, there is the Election Commission,
06:35 the tribunals and the courts in front of them.
06:37 We are saying that we will say the third.
06:39 Now, I feel that this is important.
06:41 That we have the third option of peaceful protest.
06:44 Now, as we are getting convinced that
06:47 we will not get justice on the legal forums,
06:50 in the same way,
06:51 there is more and more prospect of peaceful protest.