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00:00 Mr. Ahmed Khan, you are saying that legal ramifications can be very serious for the 6 judges of the High Court
00:05 in the absence of any evidence.
00:07 What do you think?
00:11 I think that what he has said is completely wrong.
00:16 The reason for this is that the Supreme Judicial Council does not have a limited access to cases
00:25 where there are complaints about misconduct.
00:30 In fact, he also makes a code of conduct and gives it to the judges.
00:38 Therefore, the query that the 6 judges have made is directly related to the code of conduct.
00:45 That is why he has asked them to either amend the code of conduct
00:51 or to keep the current situation in mind and to amend the code of conduct
00:59 so that the difficulties that we are going through,
01:02 the things that are getting in our way,
01:05 the things that the intelligence agencies are pressuring us,
01:08 how can we be free from them?
01:11 But sir, all these things are that if all statements are taken as a given,
01:16 then the statements of these 6 honorable judges will be recorded and evidence will be asked for.
01:23 No?
01:24 Look, it is only a matter of time when they will decide on 184.
01:29 I think that more important than that is that they should consider a judicial commission
01:34 and inquire about all these things.
01:37 Yes, in the inquiry, the judges who have complained, their statements can also be recorded.
01:43 More statements will be taken. There is no harm in that.
01:46 And this should be done in the open.
01:48 These proceedings should not be done in a camera, but in an open court.
01:53 And anything short of that, do you think that Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib's legacy will be affected?
02:00 Of course, it will be.
02:01 If in such a serious situation, he has not taken any steps for the compliance of the constitution
02:08 and for the freedom of the judiciary,
02:12 then I think that this will always be a part of his legacy.
02:17 And history never forgives those who do not take any action on their time.
02:24 Because time passes.
02:26 The way he has complained, Justice Bandyal was the Chief Justice at that time,
02:30 and his complaint on 19th May,
02:33 after that, he remained Chief Justice for about 4 months.
02:38 He should have taken action during that time, if all this was brought to his knowledge.
02:43 Now he has gone without taking any action.
02:46 Therefore, he is also being blamed.
02:48 Now 6 months have passed, the new Chief Justice,
02:51 this thing was also present in his knowledge.
02:53 He has not taken any action yet.
02:55 This situation has arisen because the judges were forced to make it public.
03:02 Because all these complaints were suppressed, there was no response.
03:09 When the judges of the entire High Court in the country,
03:13 90% judges of the High Court,
03:15 when they had to complain,
03:17 then you understand what justice a common man gets.
03:21 Such situations arise.
03:23 Okay, you have noted one point that you have pointed out the Suo Moto Notice.
03:26 And I will come to other options.
03:27 Mr. Salauddin, as judges,
03:31 in this letter, the judge has written that we are all in agreement that
03:34 according to the law and order,
03:36 it is necessary to provide justice to all kinds of people of fear or bias.
03:41 We have taken a stand.
03:42 It is in the interest of the public that the court should provide justice to all the accused.
03:46 And although it is written in it,
03:48 "Declaratory relief",
03:50 that is, the declaration of relief, as was given to Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
03:53 can correct the wrong as a historical matter.
03:55 But these judges are demanding
03:57 that it should be made sure that the freedom of justice is maintained in real time.
04:04 What would you say?
04:05 But the exceptional thing about this letter is that
04:09 in the history of Pakistan,
04:11 6 judges, which is 80% of the Islamabad High Court,
04:16 have signed off on this.
04:20 In the past, individual judges have been complaining.
04:24 The activities of the intelligence agencies and the judiciary
04:30 are also covered up.
04:32 It is not true.
04:33 If you remember,
04:35 Benazir Bhutto's dissolution case,
04:38 one of the grounds in that,
04:40 it is about 1996,
04:42 one of the grounds in that was that
04:45 the judges' houses were being tapped,
04:50 the recording was being made on the judges.
04:52 After that, in the case of Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhary,
04:55 secret videos and pictures were presented to the court,
05:02 which is also mentioned in the judgment.
05:04 But what seems to be a change now
05:08 is that collectively,
05:12 6 judges have raised their voices on this.
05:17 So I think that if this is positively tackled by the judiciary,
05:25 it is a very healthy development.