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IHC Kay Judges Kay Letter Par Bar Association Ka Rad e Amal | Khawar Ghumman's Analysis

IHC judges seek SJC meeting over ‘interference’ in judicial affairs - Expert Analysis

"Jin Par Ilzam Lagraha Hai Unko Bhi Suna Jaye aur Sabooton Par Faisal Kiya Jaye" Haider Naqvi

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Transcript
00:00 Asalam o alikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:14 Since the last day, when this letter was written by the six judges of the Honourable
00:22 Judges Council, we have only one news as a headline.
00:30 You can see it on television screens, newspapers, and social media.
00:34 This is the topic under discussion.
00:36 Now, what were the circumstances due to which the six Honourable Judges had to be forced
00:42 to write a letter.
00:44 The letter has now been written to the Supreme Judicial Council.
00:47 The letter is headed by the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Justice Qazi Faiz-e-Sahab, and
00:52 two other senior judges.
00:54 In addition, there are two senior judges of the Supreme Court of Islamabad, and if I'm
01:00 not mistaken, the Chief Justice of Khaybar Pakhtunkhwa is also a member.
01:05 We will discuss the reasons for the request in detail in this letter.
01:10 But the topic under discussion is whether the letter was written by the Supreme Judicial
01:18 Council itself, or should they have taken notice of this issue themselves?
01:24 They were the judges.
01:26 If a judge was interfered with, should they not have complained on the same day?
01:36 If a person in their court has been trespassed, should they have taken action?
01:46 This is the topic under discussion.
01:48 When we are talking to you, the Supreme Court Chief Justice has called a full court bench
01:54 meeting, and all the judges of the Supreme Court of Pakistan are sitting together,
02:01 discussing how to resolve this issue.
02:05 But since this is a very serious issue, we are seeing that all the Bar Councils of Pakistan
02:12 are coming forward with different statements.
02:16 Let's put that in front of you first, because we have seen that the status of this letter
02:22 is being discussed a lot since yesterday.
02:25 We will also bring that into our program under discussion.
02:28 But the reaction that is coming, especially from the legal fraternity, from the Wakla,
02:33 it is very important to put that in front of you.
02:35 First of all, the Supreme Court Bar Association has stated that the interference in the judicial
02:42 matters of the judges and the life of the judges is mentioned as a threat.
02:48 Their complaint is not enough, but these circumstances require serious action.
02:53 Therefore, as a judiciary, the judiciary should seriously consider the protections of the
02:58 judges and take strict action.
03:00 After that, viewers, the statement of the Islamabad High Court Bar Association is in
03:04 front of you.
03:05 The Islamabad Bar Association is appealing to the Chief Justice of Pakistan to conduct
03:10 a transparent inquiry into this matter and to take legal action against those who are
03:15 involved in this matter.
03:17 The Islamabad High Court Bar Association is fully complaining about the interference
03:21 in any other institution.
03:23 The Islamabad High Court Bar Association is appealing to the judiciary to take decisions
03:28 according to the law and the law and to make the decisions without fear of danger.
03:33 The Islamabad High Court Bar Association is appealing to the esteemed judges who have
03:39 demonstrated bravery and courage.
03:42 The Islamabad High Court Bar Association reminds that in the future, to stop any illegal
03:48 action, if necessary, the court will prove to be a hindrance to freedom of the judiciary.
03:55 Every step will be taken that will be necessary for the enforcement of the law and the law.
04:00 If the Islamicabad Bar Association has to carry out a nationwide strike, hunger strike and
04:05 movement for the freedom of the judiciary, it will not hesitate.
04:10 This gentleman came from them.
04:12 Similarly, the Islamabad Bar Association has also received announcements.
04:16 They say that the freedom of the judiciary from the side of the six esteemed judges and
04:21 the freedom of the judiciary has been expressed in the Supreme Judicial Council's letter
04:27 regarding the negative actions of the judiciary.
04:30 Even before this, Judge Islamabad High Court Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui had expressed
04:35 his opinion on this.
04:37 The Islamabad Bar Association is standing with the practice of the law and the law,
04:42 the freedom of the judiciary and the principles of the judiciary.
04:46 And it calls for the freedom of the judiciary and the principles of the judiciary,
04:51 while respecting the principles of freedom and self-determination.
04:56 After that, viewers, news from the Bar Council Association has come to light that the
05:02 Islamabad High Court has expressed concerns about the cases of interference in the judiciary
05:07 on the side of the six judges and the judiciary.
05:11 It has been said that the letter of the judges of the Islamabad High Court is a disturbing
05:16 act, which is a question mark on the existence of freedom and self-determination,
05:21 which the Supreme Court should immediately take notice of.
05:25 According to the letter of the six judges of the Islamabad High Court, interference in
05:30 the judicial affairs on the side of the secret courts is acceptable, which is not acceptable
05:35 in any case.
05:36 The letter of the Sindh High Court Bar Association has come to light, viewers.
05:41 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, the Supreme Judicial Council, by the excellent
05:46 judges of the Islamabad High Court, is encouraging the courageous action of writing letters.
05:52 The Sindh High Court Bar, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
05:57 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
06:02 the judiciary, whether it is a case of interference in the judiciary or a case of interference
06:07 in the judiciary.
06:08 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
06:12 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
06:17 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
06:20 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
06:25 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
06:30 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
06:33 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
06:38 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
06:43 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
06:46 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
06:51 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
06:56 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
07:00 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
07:07 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
07:12 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
07:15 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
07:20 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
07:25 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
07:28 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
07:33 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
07:38 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
07:41 The Sindh High Court Bar Association, on the side of the government or secret agencies,
07:46 strongly condemns any kind of interference in the judicial affairs of the courts and
07:51 the judiciary, which is not acceptable in any case.
07:54 I would like to go to my panelist.
07:58 He is saying that we request that the judicial convention be established on the judicial
08:03 affairs of the courts, which is a violation of the freedom of the judiciary, and the
08:07 action of threatening the judges.
08:09 Such a convention through which further information can be obtained that whether the judges of
08:14 other high courts are also not affected by such issues.
08:18 Such an institutional consultation will provide support for the Supreme Court, which will
08:23 provide better protection to the judiciary and will provide a mechanism for the accountability
08:28 of the elements that violate the freedom of the judiciary.
08:32 And it should be made clear that what actions judges can take individually in the case of
08:37 threatening on the part of the government or secret agencies.
08:40 It has been made very clear in the letter that we do not understand, the judge is saying
08:45 that if there is such a case with a judge, then where should he take his concern.
08:50 Let's open the discussion.
08:53 First of all, Hassan, since you have experience in reporting, you have been covering the Supreme
08:57 Court.
08:58 The first reaction when you saw this letter, and this is from six judges, they are not
09:03 verbal, they have put signatures on it.
09:05 There is also one in the letter.
09:07 Okay, that is written and after that they said that we have agreed to this and this is
09:13 our concern.
09:14 They have raised very serious questions.
09:20 They have asked questions on the institution that is the organ of the state.
09:26 They are interfering with us.
09:28 But they did not take the name.
09:30 Justice Shaukat Siddiqui took the name.
09:32 But they did not take the name.
09:34 But anyway, this is evidence.
09:36 If needed, they have put an annexation.
09:38 I think the name is in the letter.
09:44 Definitely.
09:45 So, this case has to be probed.
09:48 They have to give the evidence.
09:50 If it opens.
09:51 Now, we have to see if the full court meeting is going on.
09:54 So, they want to solve this case on the administrative side or on the judicial side.
10:00 If it has to be solved on the administrative side, then it will not be open.
10:04 It will be there.
10:05 Whatever decisions will be there, they will come in front of us.
10:08 And if this case has to be solved on the judicial side, then a bench will be made on the judicial
10:12 side.
10:13 Then a three-member committee will constitute a bench.
10:15 The application for 184 has already been submitted.
10:17 On this matter, some people have also asked these questions, which is an application.
10:21 In that, the applicant is also demanding that because these judges have become victims of
10:25 harassment, so they should not be judges.
10:28 This kind of thing also happens.
10:29 And really, their oath is that they say that the judge is saying that I am not a president
10:34 and that I will decide under any pressure, without any fear and danger, according to
10:38 the law and the constitution.
10:39 This is what his constitution also says.
10:42 Now, this matter, but even then, the people like the Bar Councils, the people who I have
10:46 spoken to, you know that the Bar Councils are very touchy on the freedom of the judiciary
10:51 because they have a struggle.
10:53 That is, when Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary was deposed, after that, in their restoration,
10:58 where there was also a part of the political parties, but the initiator was the Wakla
11:02 community of Pakistan.
11:04 So the Wakla community is very touchy on this, but that is, it could not be done on one
11:09 side.
11:10 Now people are waiting for the institutional reaction that comes, that is, the Supreme
11:14 Court will come to Pakistan.
11:16 After that, the Supreme Court Bar, Pakistan Bar Council or other bars will also bring clarity
11:20 in their views.
11:21 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, in my opinion, the current political and historical and judicial history
11:28 that we have seen, is a very big earth-shaking development.
11:33 In the past, we have heard a few incidents, but the gathering of six judges and explaining
11:40 their concerns on one issue with their signatures, I would definitely tell the viewers.
11:47 Viewers, Hassan was highlighting an issue, in this letter, he did not say at all that
11:53 we have made some wrong decisions because of this fear, he is saying that the code of
11:58 conduct that we have, being a judge of Islamabad High Court, we do not have any such way that
12:05 as a judge, if this is done by the executive side, then where should I apply it?
12:14 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, you can read it again.
12:39 He has agitated on every level that we went to the Chief Justice, we went to this and
12:46 that, we talked about this, there were discussions in the judges' tea room, everything is written
12:53 and these are not six judges, except for Amar Farooq, seven judges are endorsing this because
13:01 of this fear, and Ghulam Ahmed, Ghulam Ahmed, and Gul Aurangzeb, they have also signed in
13:08 one letter, the annexure, so this is a kind of Islamabad High Court, it has created a
13:17 ruckus, raised their hands, and they have screamed, for God's sake, save these institutions,
13:25 and the business of blackmailing us, and you know that this matter of judges is getting
13:35 more and more serious day by day, when a good judge resigns and goes home, who was going
13:44 to become the Chief Justice after a few months, then you should have taken action at that
13:50 time, and even now, this request has been made again, that this judge should go, this
13:57 has happened, he is not worthy, this is not so and so, what is the joke?
14:02 Ordinary people cannot put pressure on judges, if you are accusing the state institutions
14:08 and accusing the judge, then it is a very serious matter, there should be an inquiry
14:14 that is more acceptable, that is, judges should be such that they cannot be pointed at, and
14:21 they should tell why this happened, and those who have done it, they should face the music,
14:27 then when the matter will be resolved, it will go very far, there are many experts here,
14:33 so don't worry.
14:34 Let's go, there is one thing, which Hassan was saying, that if someone is hurt, then
14:40 the way he is talking, Mr. Shaukat Siddiqui, the same time the matter happened with him,
14:45 he brought it to the media, but it was not brought individually here, it was brought together,
14:50 the audience will definitely tell you, it was brought after a year, see all these incidents,
14:55 it is almost a year, listen, listen, this matter was raised on May 10, 2023, in front of
15:00 the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court, the judge is present with the same letter,
15:05 all the details are there, then the Chief Justice went to Pakistan, okay, listen, after that
15:10 he went to the Chief Justice, the former Chief Justice, at that time it is also said that
15:15 he met the current Chief Justice, so this issue has been highlighted for several months.
15:22 Mr. Haider Naqvi, what solution do you suggest, you have a very deep view in terms of suggesting
15:28 a solution, so how do you solve this matter, one good thing is that the full court has
15:33 already sat down, and all the senior judges of Pakistan, of the Supreme Court, are looking
15:38 at this matter, and we hope that a strong solution will be found from there, in your view, if
15:43 you look at it from a different angle, obviously some people are looking at it from a political
15:48 point of view.
15:49 Look, the first thing is that if the judges' allegations are correct, then I condemn it,
15:54 the second thing is that who will know better than a judge that when there is an allegation
16:00 or when there is a case, then both parties are heard, evidence is taken and a decision
16:06 is made on the basis of it, so in this matter, one party is the judge himself, the other
16:12 party, the institutions on which he is accusing, are those, they should also be heard, and
16:18 then with evidence, both parties should give their evidence and then a decision will be
16:23 made.
16:24 This is the solution of one thing, which I understand, there is no need to make a third
16:30 case, just two parties, the one on which you are accusing, give evidence against it, and
16:35 if you cannot give evidence against it, then it means that you are just accusing, and if
16:39 you have evidence, then what could be better than this, the Pakistani people should see
16:43 all this, this is one thing.
16:45 The second thing, a big thing happened in the last two days, it suddenly disappeared somewhere,
16:49 after that it was not mentioned, that was the agreement of agreement, there is no discussion
16:53 about it now.
16:54 The agreement of agreement is the biggest need of Pakistan at the moment, whether it is judges,
16:58 institutions, government, parliament, people on the streets, whatever it is, the common
17:03 people, the biggest shortcoming of all this is the communication gap, there is a lack of
17:09 dialogue between them, there is a lack of conversation between them, this agreement of agreement
17:14 is very important, this agreement of agreement, you can call it a dialogue reconciliation,
17:19 it is very important that all parties are heard, and after hearing all the parties, all the
17:24 decisions should be taken in front of the Pakistani people, on the basis of daily, we will get
17:30 such series, that someone said something, someone did something, someone wrote a letter,
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