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00:00:00 (fingers snapping)
00:00:02 Yo, what is going on people?
00:00:03 Welcome to the Dune Part Two Spoiler Podcast.
00:00:08 We are back three years later.
00:00:10 Not to the day, 'cause the movie got delayed unfortunately,
00:00:13 but we're back and we're ready and we're hyped, man.
00:00:16 I am your host Tony Polanco
00:00:18 and tonight I'm joined by Miss Dana Abercrombie.
00:00:21 - Hello.
00:00:24 - Carlos Romero.
00:00:27 - Yo, yo, yo, what's going on?
00:00:29 - And my illegitimate son, Mr. Joey Polanco.
00:00:34 - What's up everybody?
00:00:35 - Yo, I love how you changed.
00:00:36 Like, you used to be this, my unofficial cousin.
00:00:38 Now you're my illegitimate son and you got upgraded.
00:00:41 - We're changing the lore.
00:00:42 We're changing the lore.
00:00:43 - Yeah, we're changing it, man.
00:00:45 Some people may not be happy about that, man.
00:00:46 But yeah, man, Dune Two, it is out
00:00:50 and it is everything I wanted it to be and more.
00:00:53 Another insane movie to say the least,
00:00:56 but we're gonna do our usual.
00:00:58 We're gonna give our like individual little takes
00:01:01 and then we're gonna dive in.
00:01:02 Remember, I don't wanna hear shit from nobody.
00:01:04 Oh, you're spoiling a movie.
00:01:05 It's called a spoiler cast.
00:01:07 We're spoiling stuff.
00:01:08 Get ready 'cause people still say that, right?
00:01:10 Why are you spoiling the movie?
00:01:11 You spoiled this, Mike.
00:01:13 Read the, I understand that like reading comprehension
00:01:17 in America is like our fifth grade level now.
00:01:19 We should at least know what a spoiler is, you know?
00:01:22 Yeah, by the way, that's not just me making up stuff.
00:01:24 That's literally the reading comprehension level
00:01:26 in America, very terrible.
00:01:28 Anyway, so I'm gonna start first.
00:01:29 Obviously you guys already know, love the first movie.
00:01:33 That movie kind of reminded me that movies can be good.
00:01:38 That CG can be good, that we don't need fucking quips
00:01:43 every five seconds whenever something serious happens.
00:01:46 Like it was just on another level.
00:01:49 And just remember like, oh yeah,
00:01:50 we used to get movies like this
00:01:52 until like Hollywood just started to be stupid.
00:01:54 Fucking awesome.
00:01:55 So obviously I was hyped for this
00:01:57 and I wasn't let down at all, man.
00:01:59 Just like the first one, this movie was close
00:02:01 to three hours, didn't feel like it.
00:02:03 When it was over, I'm like, nah, it's not enough.
00:02:06 I need more, I need more of this, you know?
00:02:09 So yeah, I'm blown away.
00:02:10 Like I'm gonna get into it obviously,
00:02:12 but like there's only one slight thing I can say
00:02:17 will go into it, but like it's very difficult
00:02:21 to pick like this is bad.
00:02:23 The knee man, like this him and fucking Christopher Nolan
00:02:28 are like the best working directors we have right now.
00:02:31 And nobody is even close to them, you know?
00:02:34 - James Cameron.
00:02:35 - No.
00:02:36 - But he's not working.
00:02:37 - Yeah, he's not working technically.
00:02:39 You know why?
00:02:40 I was thinking about this, it was like, yeah,
00:02:42 but he makes a movie like every 15 years.
00:02:44 - And it slaps.
00:02:46 - It does slap, I'll give you that.
00:02:48 But like consistently, those two dudes
00:02:52 like nobody's even coming close, you know?
00:02:54 So yeah, movie's fucking awesome.
00:02:57 Dana, quick thoughts on "Dune II, The Revenge."
00:03:02 - "Dune II, The Revenge"
00:03:04 as someone who absolutely hated "Dune I,"
00:03:07 yes, it's possible.
00:03:08 I didn't like it, I was bored.
00:03:11 This was a cinematic masterpiece.
00:03:13 In fact, coming out of the theater,
00:03:15 I really wished I could talk to somebody
00:03:17 who was much older because I wanted to know,
00:03:20 is this what you felt like when you saw "Star Wars"
00:03:22 for the first time in theaters?
00:03:25 'Cause it had that same feel for me.
00:03:27 Like I felt like I was witnessing just history.
00:03:31 It was the most beautiful, both even looks,
00:03:34 the storyline, everything,
00:03:36 you just matched up to perfection,
00:03:39 which I know we'll get into, it's not perfection,
00:03:41 perfection, but it was perfection for me.
00:03:44 - Good stuff.
00:03:46 All right, Joey, man, quick thoughts before we get into it.
00:03:50 - I absolutely loved it.
00:03:52 I had a chance to see it in 70 millimeter.
00:03:54 - Oh shit. - That was dope.
00:03:55 Yeah, that was incredible.
00:03:57 I was thinking while I was watching the movie,
00:04:02 I do know a few people similar to Dana
00:04:04 that was saying that the pacing of the first one,
00:04:07 just a few, it wasn't for everybody.
00:04:10 I feel like they took that into mind here.
00:04:16 This was the definition of the word epic.
00:04:21 Like this was like, wow, even if someone,
00:04:25 it was gonna be a hot take, I'm sorry.
00:04:28 - No.
00:04:29 - No, I don't think anyone could officially say
00:04:33 this, they hate this movie.
00:04:35 I don't think that's, I'm sorry.
00:04:38 Like, unless you don't speak English
00:04:39 or you don't speak the language, I'm sorry.
00:04:41 There's no way.
00:04:42 This was damn near hands down from start to end.
00:04:47 Similar to what you said, felt like 20 minutes.
00:04:48 It's just perfect package.
00:04:51 - For sure, right.
00:04:53 And Carlos, man, quick thoughts.
00:04:55 - Yeah, I'll just preface the whole thing
00:04:59 by saying that I had plans November 3rd
00:05:03 when the movie was originally supposed to come out.
00:05:06 - Yeah. - I had plans.
00:05:06 I was going in, I went to New York during that time
00:05:10 and I wanted to see "Dune".
00:05:11 I wanted to do the Joy Polonco.
00:05:12 - With the homies, you know.
00:05:15 - Yeah, man, and with the homies
00:05:16 and I wanted to see it in IMAX
00:05:18 because we don't got true IMAX over here.
00:05:20 We got some FOMAX, some weird ass IMAX
00:05:24 that is not really IMAX.
00:05:26 And I wanted to see it in all its glory
00:05:28 because I knew it was gonna be made
00:05:31 and tailor-made for this.
00:05:32 And even if I didn't get the chance,
00:05:35 man, this movie delivered.
00:05:38 It just, it immersed you into the world.
00:05:41 It felt like just, it just left off where,
00:05:44 it just kept going where it left off in the first movie.
00:05:47 And every single scene was really impactful.
00:05:50 It had a purpose.
00:05:52 It didn't feel like no fluff.
00:05:54 It just kept going and kept going, kept going.
00:05:57 I love this movie.
00:05:59 I mean, I didn't wanna go too off on Twitter yesterday
00:06:02 'cause I was gonna say, like,
00:06:03 I was already gonna put Denis
00:06:04 in my Mount Rushmore of directors of all time.
00:06:07 - I mean, yeah, man.
00:06:09 And after this movie, it's hard not to do that.
00:06:12 But I mean, I still gotta give this a little bit more time.
00:06:16 But as we are right now, this movie is amazing.
00:06:21 I love this movie.
00:06:22 I just, it could have gone another hour, honestly.
00:06:26 It could have gone another hour
00:06:28 and I wouldn't have been bored.
00:06:30 - No, absolutely.
00:06:32 I do wanna jump on something, Dana, you said earlier,
00:06:35 'cause yeah, like when I saw,
00:06:37 and I'm talking about the first movie specifically, right?
00:06:39 When I left that film,
00:06:41 I felt the way I did after leaving "Fellowship of the Ring."
00:06:44 I'm like, whoa, like, holy crap.
00:06:47 And this was more of it.
00:06:49 I don't even consider this as a whole movie.
00:06:50 It's just the whole full story.
00:06:52 But I definitely felt that.
00:06:54 I can't relate to "Star Wars."
00:06:55 I wasn't even born when the first movie came out.
00:06:57 But when that, like "Fellowship of the Ring,"
00:06:59 when you saw that movie, man,
00:07:01 you were watching something special.
00:07:02 And I got the same feeling for the first one.
00:07:05 I was like, whoa, like, and with this one, both of them,
00:07:09 like, you know when you watch a movie,
00:07:11 you kind of start getting distracted by a couple of things.
00:07:13 You're thinking about other things.
00:07:15 You're in it, you're in it.
00:07:16 It like captivates you, doesn't let you go.
00:07:19 And I, you know, obviously watching an IMAX helps.
00:07:21 It's just, brrr, just fucking, you know,
00:07:24 like your ears are bombarded, you know, visual spectacle.
00:07:28 Like, that's what I love about IMAX.
00:07:29 So everybody talks about the visualness.
00:07:31 I'm like, I love the sound of IMAX.
00:07:33 Like, it hurts.
00:07:34 I like that.
00:07:34 Like, physically hurts, you know?
00:07:36 It's like, you really, like, it's so like unrelenting, man.
00:07:40 Oh, so good.
00:07:41 But yeah, let's get into it.
00:07:42 So yeah, like you guys said,
00:07:43 this movie literally just picks up where the last one
00:07:45 left off.
00:07:46 Like, it's not like, oh, five years later, on planet Dune.
00:07:49 You know, it's like, like, we are in it, man.
00:07:52 And like, I would say for the first, like,
00:07:54 third of the movie, we're just on Dune with the Fremen,
00:07:59 and we really get deep into their culture and stuff,
00:08:01 you know?
00:08:02 And I love seeing Paul's journey.
00:08:04 It's not like, oh, okay, he has these powers.
00:08:06 He's just like, he's just, God's like,
00:08:07 oh, you gotta earn this shit, bro, you know?
00:08:10 So that was really good.
00:08:11 We just got to learn more about the culture and all that.
00:08:15 And, you know, also, Shani,
00:08:19 she got like a lot, a lot more screen time, challenging.
00:08:22 That was kind of cool too.
00:08:23 Like, that's a change from the book
00:08:24 that I thought was interesting,
00:08:25 because in the book, all the Fremen were just basically
00:08:27 all the same.
00:08:28 Like, they all believe the same thing.
00:08:29 This one's like, it's more realistic.
00:08:30 Like, you wouldn't have all the same people
00:08:32 believing the same thing, you know?
00:08:33 So I kind of liked that.
00:08:34 That was kind of cool.
00:08:35 It adds more tension to the scenes.
00:08:38 But yeah, let's talk about that.
00:08:39 What'd you guys think of the first third of the movie,
00:08:41 where it's just like, you're just on Dune the whole time,
00:08:44 you know?
00:08:45 - That first, the first third,
00:08:47 I know the scene, it's still in the first third,
00:08:50 where he learns how to ride the samurai for the first time.
00:08:53 That scene, in a big format, was, ah, man.
00:08:58 - Insane.
00:09:00 - Yeah, where he's standing, you see the tracking shot,
00:09:02 and you see it come up.
00:09:03 That was one of the first few times
00:09:06 where you get that sense of scale, that's like, whoa.
00:09:09 Like, and you feel everything rumbling and coming close.
00:09:14 I did love the tension.
00:09:17 I don't have a ton of familiarity,
00:09:21 I can't pronounce that, with Zendaya,
00:09:23 but here, as Chani in this role,
00:09:28 I was like, okay, all right, my bad.
00:09:32 She's doing her thing.
00:09:33 Same thing for Paul.
00:09:35 I'm like, whoa, especially in the second half,
00:09:37 which we'll talk later, was just like, all right,
00:09:40 Harvey Bardem, undeniably, no one has to debate that, man.
00:09:45 But yeah, no, this was a, wow, damn.
00:09:51 - Yeah, I felt like most of the first part
00:09:55 was leading into the writing of the sandworm
00:09:57 and learning the Fremen's.
00:09:59 I actually appreciate, 'cause there wasn't much levity
00:10:03 in the movie, but Harvey Bardem does a great job
00:10:07 of adding that into the movie.
00:10:09 Yeah, Zendaya was great, Shalami was great.
00:10:15 I do appreciate, I didn't know, actually,
00:10:17 I didn't know that there was a different contrast,
00:10:19 or it was more like a homogenized society in the books
00:10:24 in terms of the Fremen, but I like what they did.
00:10:26 It was like, oh, you know, the Southern Fremen,
00:10:28 'cause they live in this place where it's like
00:10:30 almost impossible to live, but all they,
00:10:34 that's why all they have is faith.
00:10:36 And I felt like that was a pretty good touch.
00:10:38 And yeah, man, I don't know if we're gonna get
00:10:41 to the sandworm writing part, but man, that was incredible.
00:10:44 It was, I'm just jealous of Joey right now,
00:10:49 'cause I'm just imagining seeing that 70 millimeters,
00:10:53 actually, it looked crazy.
00:10:54 But yeah, man, it was great.
00:10:57 I felt like, what was it?
00:11:00 With the turning of the mom,
00:11:05 Rebecca Ferguson's character was crazy.
00:11:08 I felt like, I didn't actually expect that.
00:11:11 And I felt like they did a great job,
00:11:14 and it's kind of like a really surreal
00:11:16 and kind of scary aspect of the movie,
00:11:18 because you feel so comfortable with how they presented her
00:11:23 at the first movie and the beginning of this movie
00:11:26 as sort of, she's the motherly character,
00:11:28 and then just turning into someone where you don't know
00:11:31 if you can trust added that aspect as well.
00:11:35 So yeah, it's pretty good stuff.
00:11:38 - Yeah, by the way, Carlos, thank you for texting me.
00:11:42 He was like, "Yo, you sound different."
00:11:43 It's because this fucking mic wasn't on,
00:11:45 it was the headphone mic.
00:11:46 So apologies for that, now you sound good.
00:11:49 Yeah, we're gonna get to that sand writing scene,
00:11:51 and sandworm writing scene and more, but yeah, Dana,
00:11:54 what'd you think of the first third?
00:11:55 Like, where do you see, would you just on Arrakis,
00:11:57 really learning about the planet and the people?
00:11:59 - I appreciate that it started right away.
00:12:03 I don't remember the character's name,
00:12:07 but the guy who basically Paul had to kill right away
00:12:10 was just stupid as all hell, but it served a purpose.
00:12:13 And I appreciate that, because that's when we start to see
00:12:17 Paul's character slowly start morphing
00:12:20 into who we did at the end.
00:12:21 He's slowly shedding his old self.
00:12:25 And so with that first kill, it was really interesting.
00:12:28 Secondly, it was also interesting that his prophecies,
00:12:31 or his dreams basically,
00:12:33 are not exactly how it goes in reality.
00:12:37 I remember he saw himself as fighting in the battle,
00:12:41 but it was actually later on,
00:12:42 we'll get to the same day as character.
00:12:44 So I appreciate the unsureness
00:12:47 that the movie kind of really showed us.
00:12:51 Also him learning and being with the people was incredible.
00:12:55 Him and the turn of his mother was interesting.
00:12:58 It was scary.
00:12:59 And I felt that that was even more scarier than Paul.
00:13:03 But it really showed all of these people that,
00:13:08 I don't wanna say manipulated him,
00:13:10 but molded him into what we get at the very end
00:13:14 through manipulation.
00:13:16 But I absolutely loved what they did with him
00:13:20 and the character in that first third.
00:13:22 - Yeah.
00:13:23 - And also the night eye was good too.
00:13:26 She's not really like, she acts,
00:13:28 and we know her in the movies,
00:13:29 but she's never been a standout for me.
00:13:32 She's always just been in the movie.
00:13:34 Yeah, we like her as MJ,
00:13:36 but this one I felt she really embodied the role.
00:13:40 And it wasn't a lot of talking.
00:13:41 She is, no?
00:13:42 - No, no, no, no, no.
00:13:45 I'm talking about the MJ comment.
00:13:46 Me and Joey were reacting to that.
00:13:48 - Oh, okay.
00:13:49 - But I do wanna jump on what you're saying right now
00:13:52 'cause I kind of feel the same way.
00:13:54 But finish your thought about-
00:13:56 - Oh, I was gonna say that she didn't really do a job
00:13:59 with the emotional,
00:14:00 'cause she was really the emotional weight as well with this
00:14:04 and you could see how she was trying to ground him
00:14:06 in this kind of realism while his mom was like,
00:14:09 "He's the one!"
00:14:10 And then Javier, he breathes, so he's the one.
00:14:12 So, I like how she did that.
00:14:15 - "Is he the one? Is he the one?"
00:14:17 You know?
00:14:18 - I mean, he would never admit that he's the one.
00:14:21 - Now, yo, he's too humble for that, bro.
00:14:22 Like, you know?
00:14:23 - He's the one.
00:14:24 - You know?
00:14:25 - He tripped over a bug.
00:14:26 It was in the, it was-
00:14:27 - It was faded, you know?
00:14:29 (laughing)
00:14:30 No, I wanna get on that
00:14:32 'cause, Jane, I was thinking the same thing.
00:14:34 I was like, oh, like maybe I'm,
00:14:35 'cause I was thinking, "Yo, am I bugging?"
00:14:37 'Cause I'm like, I never really,
00:14:38 I'm just gonna say I never cared for Zendaya
00:14:41 like as an actress.
00:14:42 Like, I didn't think she was good at MJ at all in the movies.
00:14:45 I think I saw her in some other movie.
00:14:46 I was like, "Eh, she's not really good at this."
00:14:47 But she was pretty good in the first,
00:14:49 doing this one, she's really fucking good.
00:14:51 - Three minutes she was in.
00:14:52 - Yeah, the three minutes, yeah.
00:14:53 So I'm like, okay, so she has the chops.
00:14:56 You just need a good director there, you know?
00:14:59 But, you know, I agree with her.
00:15:00 And again, I like the fact that she didn't agree
00:15:03 with what was going on.
00:15:04 And she kinda gave a nice balance to Paul.
00:15:07 Even though Paul wasn't all about it either.
00:15:09 He was like being pushed into this shit, you know?
00:15:12 And that's so cool because usually in these type of stories,
00:15:15 it's like, I will take up my fate.
00:15:17 I will do this, you know?
00:15:19 And Paul is like, he's just reluctant the entire time.
00:15:22 And then by the end, he's just like,
00:15:24 fuck, I guess I have to do this.
00:15:27 He's not, he don't wanna do it,
00:15:28 but he has like, I gotta go to the South
00:15:30 with all these fucking Hicks, you know?
00:15:32 That's the way I saw it.
00:15:33 Like all the Southern Hicks down there, you know?
00:15:35 They speak with a crazy accent and everything.
00:15:37 - The Fremen built.
00:15:39 - The Fremen built.
00:15:40 - I will say in the first quarter,
00:15:44 which obviously I have to bring it up,
00:15:47 Florence Pugh was in it.
00:15:48 - Yeah, your girl, you know?
00:15:50 - The theater was quiet.
00:15:52 You heard the woo from me.
00:15:54 But also Christopher Walken,
00:15:57 obviously we picture Christopher Walken,
00:15:59 but to see him like this was just like, yo.
00:16:03 - Wow.
00:16:05 - No, but he wasn't like that.
00:16:08 - He wasn't like that.
00:16:10 - It seemed like he was actually,
00:16:12 I know this is gonna sound messed up,
00:16:13 but he's a legend.
00:16:14 It looked like he was actually acting.
00:16:17 - Well, yeah, he wasn't doing his.
00:16:19 - I'm gonna jump into it,
00:16:20 'cause that's the only sticking point I have with this movie.
00:16:22 I wish they would have gotten a different actor
00:16:24 than Christopher Walken,
00:16:25 because he's reached out to Al Pacino,
00:16:29 Anthony Hopkins, things like,
00:16:31 you're not even acting, dude.
00:16:33 You're just yourself in a movie, you know?
00:16:35 So thankfully he didn't talk very much, you know?
00:16:39 - Yeah, he was quiet.
00:16:40 - Yeah, he was quiet, thankfully,
00:16:41 but that was the only thing.
00:16:42 And it's not, again,
00:16:43 it's just a little personal Tony thing.
00:16:45 I like Christopher Walken,
00:16:47 but when that dude's in a movie, it's distracting.
00:16:49 You know?
00:16:50 - Yeah.
00:16:51 - Yeah, so that was the only thing when he's on,
00:16:52 I go, "Wait a second."
00:16:54 I never thought, "Oh, look, there's the emperor."
00:16:56 I was like, "Oh, there's Christopher Walken.
00:16:57 "He's in this movie now."
00:16:59 You know? - Exactly.
00:16:59 I mean, I agree with you, Tony.
00:17:01 I felt like his part, it wasn't bad.
00:17:06 It wasn't like super distracting or anything like that.
00:17:09 He wasn't bad.
00:17:10 But it could have gone to someone
00:17:12 that would have been more,
00:17:13 put more gravitas to being the emperor type role.
00:17:17 I mean, I just think about the Harkonnens
00:17:20 and Skarsgard was incredible in that role
00:17:23 and how menacing he was.
00:17:25 And I just wish, you know,
00:17:26 maybe the emperor could have done that, you know?
00:17:29 But, you know, Christopher Walken doing what he did,
00:17:31 he didn't ruin anything.
00:17:32 It was a nitpick for me,
00:17:33 but I just wish it would have gone to someone
00:17:35 that would have added more oomph to the emperor role.
00:17:38 - Well, to be fair,
00:17:39 I was staring at Florence Pugh the whole time.
00:17:42 (laughing)
00:17:43 It wasn't just me. - She was great.
00:17:44 - She was great.
00:17:45 - Dina, go ahead.
00:17:46 - No, this is why I felt that Christopher Walken worked.
00:17:50 Because if you look at all of the houses,
00:17:52 their leaders are different.
00:17:54 So you have Peter, the dude who's the big fat dude,
00:17:59 like him and everything.
00:18:01 But you have the House of Harkonnens, right?
00:18:03 And you see how their tone is.
00:18:04 They're completely like maniacs and crazy.
00:18:07 But then you have, say, Paul's father,
00:18:10 who was like that calm, gentle spirit.
00:18:12 We don't want revenge kind of thing.
00:18:14 Then if you look at Christopher Walken,
00:18:16 he doesn't talk much,
00:18:18 but you can see by the fact that he was the one
00:18:20 who executed all of these plans
00:18:24 and was responsible for the deaths of Paul's father
00:18:29 and the destruction of basically almost the planet.
00:18:32 He is kind of like that silent but deadly.
00:18:36 And I appreciated that.
00:18:38 And even if you listen to how he talked
00:18:39 and what he really did say,
00:18:41 he really wasn't like this big speech giver.
00:18:43 So I think that because they were able
00:18:47 to pull him back vocal-wise,
00:18:49 that's why the performance worked for me.
00:18:52 Where it wasn't like,
00:18:52 "That's Christopher Walken playing Christopher Walken."
00:18:55 - Yeah, that's interesting.
00:18:56 Yeah, for me, it was like,
00:18:58 the fact he didn't speak much helped me not be distracted.
00:19:03 Again, it's just a personal thing.
00:19:06 I don't think his character was bad.
00:19:07 I don't think what he did in the movie is bad.
00:19:10 It's just, it's Christopher Walken.
00:19:12 It's very distracting.
00:19:14 It's just very clear it's Christopher Walken in the movie.
00:19:19 Somebody let him on the set.
00:19:21 It's like, "What is happening here?"
00:19:23 It's like, oh my God, what's the name of the guy?
00:19:26 - Mickey Rourke?
00:19:27 - No, no, Iron Man 2 villain.
00:19:29 Why am I forgetting the dude's name?
00:19:30 - Oh, yeah.
00:19:32 - When that dude showed- - Mickey Rourke.
00:19:33 - Huh?
00:19:34 - Mickey Rourke. - No, no, no.
00:19:35 Iron Man 2, Iron Man 2.
00:19:37 - Oh, Mickey Rourke.
00:19:38 - Yeah, Mickey Rourke, yeah.
00:19:38 - Mickey Rourke, him, that's another guy.
00:19:41 Modern day Mickey Rourke, when he's in a movie,
00:19:44 he's like, "Oh, it's Mickey Rourke."
00:19:46 You know?
00:19:47 It's like, it throws me off, you know?
00:19:50 Even though in Iron Man 2, it literally looked like,
00:19:51 "Oh, he just walked off the set off of Expendables."
00:19:54 Like, what are we doing here, you know?
00:19:56 But no, Christopher Walken wasn't terrible.
00:19:57 It's just, it's Christopher Walken.
00:19:59 That's the problem.
00:20:00 It's like, it's like Al Pacino being in a movie.
00:20:03 Like, "Fuck."
00:20:05 Or Anthony Hopkins.
00:20:06 In all those Thor movies, like,
00:20:07 "Oh, there's Anthony Hopkins."
00:20:08 You know, "Oh yeah, sure, you're Odin, sure."
00:20:12 You know?
00:20:13 It's like, no.
00:20:14 Anyway, so that aside.
00:20:16 Yeah, I like the fact that, yes,
00:20:18 'cause we only really got to see
00:20:19 those three main houses, right?
00:20:21 You know, the Trades House, the House of,
00:20:24 I forgot the, you know, the Emperor's House,
00:20:25 and then the Harkonnens.
00:20:27 But they're all different visually, you know?
00:20:29 And I also like that, even though, you know,
00:20:31 he was like Emperor,
00:20:33 what homegirl was the princess,
00:20:35 they're not dressed very over the top.
00:20:37 You know, it was very subdued.
00:20:38 Like, the guy's just wearing a fucking bathrobe,
00:20:41 basically, you know?
00:20:42 I kind of like that.
00:20:43 It was like, instead of just ostentatious or whatever.
00:20:45 I remember there's this one YouTuber I watch.
00:20:48 He's a huge Dune fan.
00:20:50 He's been making Dune videos for like 10 years,
00:20:52 before the movies, you know?
00:20:54 And he was like, "Wait a minute,
00:20:57 "is that just her morning gown?"
00:20:59 Like, that's what he thought.
00:21:00 He's like, "No, that's a regular regal thing, you know?"
00:21:03 - I'm with it.
00:21:04 - Yeah, but obviously you still have
00:21:06 the weird head shit going on,
00:21:08 'cause she's still a Benny Jezerett, too, you know?
00:21:11 I wanna go back to what you guys were saying
00:21:14 about Lady Jessica.
00:21:15 'Cause yeah, I like that a lot.
00:21:16 Kind of different than the book.
00:21:19 In the book, she was manipulative, too,
00:21:22 but this one is just like more overt, you know?
00:21:25 But then again, she would be manipulative,
00:21:27 'cause her whole order is manipulative.
00:21:29 They've been manipulating this whole thing
00:21:31 for hundreds of years on Arrakis, you know?
00:21:34 And I don't, this movie doesn't,
00:21:37 the book didn't do it, too.
00:21:38 I think later on books do this,
00:21:40 but it's like, all this happened because of her, you know?
00:21:44 Because she didn't listen to the Benny Jezerett.
00:21:46 She didn't have the daughter.
00:21:47 She had a son, you know?
00:21:49 And then because of that, the emperor decided,
00:21:51 "Oh, I gotta do all this stuff."
00:21:52 If the emperor would've just left our trainees alone,
00:21:55 Paul Treyes would never have gone to Dune
00:21:57 and gotten his powers.
00:21:59 It's just interesting how the emperor decided,
00:22:01 "Oh, our trainees family is trying to take me out.
00:22:05 "Let me put them on this planet
00:22:08 "so they could be taken out by the Harkonnens."
00:22:10 And then in the end, he gets overthrown.
00:22:12 It's just kind of crazy how that works, you know?
00:22:15 But it just shows how many layers this movie has, man.
00:22:18 But yeah, so anything else you guys wanna say
00:22:22 about the first third, whether like on Arrakis?
00:22:25 - I do wanna mention that I like,
00:22:27 and I don't know if this is Frank Herbert or Denis,
00:22:31 but the whole thing about no wasted water.
00:22:36 - Yeah, that's a good book, oh yeah.
00:22:39 - Where they fucking air dry my man.
00:22:42 (laughing)
00:22:44 - They just air dry him.
00:22:45 They air dry everybody.
00:22:47 And going down to the Fremen city,
00:22:54 they show the pool of water where it's like,
00:22:56 yeah, this is generations upon generations
00:22:59 upon generations of people.
00:23:01 And their spirits live within these pools,
00:23:04 which is almost literally, and it's great.
00:23:08 The lore, man, they do a great job with the lore.
00:23:11 - Yeah, I will say the books, they make it more,
00:23:15 it's like more insistent.
00:23:16 It's like, you gotta preserve that fucking water.
00:23:18 Like, you know how in the movie, it's a movie,
00:23:20 so they have to have their helmets off and show their faces.
00:23:23 But every time in the book, when they're out,
00:23:26 every single inch of them is covered
00:23:28 because they can't waste any moisture, obviously,
00:23:32 'cause it's like super arid.
00:23:33 But yeah, that pool is dope.
00:23:35 And it's funny 'cause I'm playing through,
00:23:37 or actually I beat "Final Fantasy Rebirth"
00:23:39 'cause I reviewed it.
00:23:40 And that pool of water kind of reminded me
00:23:42 of the Lifestream in a way.
00:23:43 It's like, oh, that's kind of cool.
00:23:44 It's like, you know, like when you die in "Final Fantasy VII"
00:23:47 you go into the Lifestream and you kind of go back
00:23:49 and get mixed all the souls.
00:23:50 So kind of remind me of that too, the pool of water.
00:23:53 But yeah, but that little scene was pretty brutal.
00:23:56 It's like, they just put up in like an air dryer.
00:23:58 You know, it's like suckable, damn, you know?
00:24:01 And also like when they were like doing that,
00:24:03 I call it the vulture thing.
00:24:04 It's like, all right,
00:24:05 we're taking water out of these Harkonnens now.
00:24:07 And that one dude was still alive.
00:24:08 She's like, "Get out of here, man.
00:24:09 I'm trying to suck you out of here, man.
00:24:11 That's crazy, you know?"
00:24:14 Yeah, again, I love the Fremen culture.
00:24:16 I know it's like heavily based on like Arab culture.
00:24:19 I know some people consider it problematic,
00:24:21 but it's fucking dope, you know?
00:24:23 It is so cool to see that, you know?
00:24:26 And again, I love the way that everybody,
00:24:29 there's different, like,
00:24:30 they're like, "Look at this motherfucker from the South."
00:24:31 That wasn't in the book, but it's cool, you know?
00:24:34 Like they didn't talk about it as like Southern and like,
00:24:36 yes, the Southern parts were,
00:24:37 are harsher than the Northern parts,
00:24:39 but it was all the same kind of homogenous culture
00:24:42 of the Fremen in the book.
00:24:43 So I like how this one is like,
00:24:45 yeah, we don't believe that shit, you know?
00:24:48 'Cause it's real, it's real, you know?
00:24:51 Anyway, so let's move on to, I call it,
00:24:53 yeah, I guess we do it,
00:24:54 'cause it's like three distinct sections this movie is in,
00:24:57 you know? - Three acts.
00:24:58 - Yeah, three acts.
00:24:59 I wanna go into the second act,
00:25:00 which is basically, you know, about the Harkonnens.
00:25:03 We get to see their home planet.
00:25:05 That place is fucking crazy, you know?
00:25:08 Like they had like, they call it a black sun and shit.
00:25:11 It's like, everything's on black and white, you know?
00:25:13 Like that whole section, you felt so uneasy, you know?
00:25:18 And even with the music, it was very low key at points,
00:25:21 but it was always there.
00:25:22 It's like, you always felt like there was something
00:25:24 behind you, you know, while you're on that planet.
00:25:27 And then we got to see Fade, a Harkonnen, crazy dude.
00:25:31 For you guys who watched the original, original movie,
00:25:34 that was Sting, you know?
00:25:36 So, anything about that life, you know?
00:25:38 - Yeah.
00:25:39 They got Elvis this time.
00:25:40 - They got Elvis, oh shit.
00:25:43 You know, but man, like that dude, like they said,
00:25:45 like they even said, like, yeah, he's psychotic.
00:25:46 And you could tell, like,
00:25:47 even when he's not saying nothing, you could see it.
00:25:49 - Yeah, that stare.
00:25:51 - The eye contact, the stare.
00:25:52 - Just the stare.
00:25:53 - You know?
00:25:54 - Oh, so good.
00:25:55 - Yeah, that was, I was looking the entire time,
00:25:59 I tried to see like the makeup, like where does it start
00:26:01 and where does it end?
00:26:03 And there were certain times where he would make
00:26:06 these facial expressions where it looks like,
00:26:09 it's like quick CGI, really quickly.
00:26:11 Like just, like when he overextends his mouth,
00:26:13 he like doesn't yell like a dog.
00:26:16 And I'm just like, no, I'm just like trying to stare at it
00:26:18 the whole time, like how the hell?
00:26:20 Like even the eyebrows, I'm like,
00:26:21 he got the Goku going on.
00:26:23 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:25 - And he just does the stare the whole time.
00:26:27 I was just like, damn, this is, whoa.
00:26:29 Yeah, that was really good.
00:26:31 - Really good.
00:26:32 - Yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed the scene in the Coliseum.
00:26:35 You know, like, they're giving him drugged up dudes.
00:26:39 And then this one guy, he wasn't, he's like,
00:26:41 you know, happy birthday, you know.
00:26:42 - Yeah, it was black and white.
00:26:43 - Yeah, the whole thing was black and white, you know.
00:26:46 - But even when he was getting ready,
00:26:48 when he was getting ready with the blades
00:26:49 and like stabbing them people left and right,
00:26:51 and he's like trying to check out the blades,
00:26:53 I was like, damn, this is wow.
00:26:55 - The last of the Atreides apparently.
00:26:57 - Yeah, the last three, yeah.
00:26:58 I guess they dug them off the planet.
00:27:00 But yeah, like his 23rd, I see that, I was like,
00:27:02 yo, if I was in that room,
00:27:03 I'd be willing to stay as far back as possible, you know.
00:27:06 Don't get close to that blade, you know.
00:27:10 But yeah, what would you guys think of,
00:27:11 like Carlos, what'd you think of that whole scene on,
00:27:14 you know, the Harkonnen planet?
00:27:16 - It was great.
00:27:17 I mean, thematically, visually,
00:27:20 it just had its own flavor.
00:27:21 And that's what I appreciate about these movies.
00:27:23 The Atreides home planet in Dune 1 felt different
00:27:27 and completely, you know, it was fleshed out
00:27:30 and Arrakis was fleshed out in this one, man.
00:27:32 It was crazy.
00:27:33 And yeah, Austin Butler was perfect casting
00:27:37 for this character.
00:27:38 Oh my, he was so good.
00:27:39 I felt like, I felt like he was one of the standouts
00:27:43 of this whole movie.
00:27:45 - Oh yeah.
00:27:46 - Kind of wish there were more scenes with him too.
00:27:49 You know, would have been great to have him more,
00:27:51 you know, before the end.
00:27:52 And we get to learn about sort of the Bene Gesserits,
00:27:58 'cause I didn't know, I mean,
00:28:00 obviously they have influence everywhere,
00:28:01 but just how directly the influence is
00:28:04 in every single house and every single place
00:28:06 of the galaxy or universe,
00:28:08 or whatever they call it there.
00:28:10 Yeah, it was a great scene.
00:28:12 I felt like, you know, those motherfuckers are crazy.
00:28:18 Those Harkonnens, man.
00:28:20 And also again, shout out to,
00:28:26 I forget which Skarsgard,
00:28:27 but the Skarsgard character,
00:28:29 great, great, great performance in that scene as well.
00:28:33 You know, just showing, you know, they're gonna give,
00:28:35 he's ready to give sort of the heir to his nephew.
00:28:40 Does he have, by the way, I don't know if they mentioned it,
00:28:42 does he have any kids?
00:28:44 - I don't remember, like,
00:28:45 'cause I think both of them are nephews, if I'm correct.
00:28:49 - The Batista character and Faye are definitely nephews.
00:28:53 - Well, we learned he has a daughter, you know,
00:28:56 that was interesting.
00:28:57 - Yeah, we know about that.
00:28:58 Interesting, yeah.
00:28:59 I didn't know if he had a son or something happened to him.
00:29:02 - Yeah, I'm not sure, to be honest.
00:29:04 I feel so bad, you just mentioned Batista and I forgot,
00:29:07 which also did really good here too.
00:29:09 - Yeah, no, Batista was good in this, but yeah, man,
00:29:11 like Faye Harkonnen was fucking dope, man.
00:29:15 And again, I think that was a good way
00:29:17 of introducing him on that planet,
00:29:18 just how oppressive it was,
00:29:19 but obviously it only looks like that,
00:29:21 like, you know, when you're outside,
00:29:24 if you're inside, you're still, you know,
00:29:25 everybody's back to color, you know?
00:29:27 And I kind of felt like the scenes
00:29:29 where you actually do see his actual skin tone,
00:29:32 like it made him look even more eerie
00:29:33 because he seems like, this is like,
00:29:35 at least when he's just a completely white,
00:29:36 it's like, oh, it's like an alien or something.
00:29:38 But then we see him with skin tone,
00:29:39 like, oh, that guy's a human, oh shit.
00:29:41 - Yeah, you're like cone heads.
00:29:42 - That could make him some scarier, you know?
00:29:44 - You're like cone heads.
00:29:45 - Yeah, yeah, cone heads, back in the days, you know?
00:29:50 But yeah, that was great.
00:29:51 And then, you know, it set him up for like, you know,
00:29:52 the final battle and everything,
00:29:54 which we'll talk about, you know?
00:29:56 But Dana, what'd you think of the planet Harkonnen?
00:29:59 - I absolutely loved it.
00:30:02 That music, throat singing alone,
00:30:04 I was jamming to throat music.
00:30:06 I never thought I would do that.
00:30:08 That was, no, the way how they filmed it
00:30:11 was absolutely incredible.
00:30:14 The part where I didn't even know what was CGI
00:30:17 and what was just regular human people,
00:30:21 that stadium scene, it felt like something,
00:30:24 it was obviously, it was, you know, similar to Gladiator,
00:30:27 but my God, just the fact that it was devoid of any color
00:30:31 and it shows these people how,
00:30:35 it's really interesting
00:30:35 because they're like the most deceptive,
00:30:38 but they don't hide their deceptiveness.
00:30:41 So I really appreciated that.
00:30:43 The fact that the guys were drugged,
00:30:45 so it makes it look like, oh, he's so strong,
00:30:47 he's so incredible,
00:30:48 but they don't know that these people are drugged,
00:30:51 except for that one guy, which I'm not sure,
00:30:54 'cause my memory of the book was like what I was in.
00:30:57 Wasn't there a plot to kill him?
00:31:00 And then that's why the guy wasn't drugged?
00:31:03 - Yeah, there was a plot.
00:31:03 - The uncle was actively, yeah.
00:31:06 The uncle was actively trying to kill him.
00:31:09 - Yeah, yeah, they changed that in the movie, yes.
00:31:11 That did happen in the book.
00:31:12 There was a plot to kill him, you know,
00:31:14 but it was also to test them.
00:31:16 'Cause the Harkonnens are just fucking crazy like that.
00:31:19 - They're crazy.
00:31:20 So what was interesting was like,
00:31:23 we're gonna have this one dude who's not drugged,
00:31:25 and then it's to show that, yeah, I'm a great fighter,
00:31:28 but this is not me lying.
00:31:30 And the fact that he took off his shield
00:31:32 was like, look, I can really fight you,
00:31:34 which makes it even more scarier.
00:31:36 'Cause he was like really proud of this challenge.
00:31:38 He was like really excited to like kill the guy,
00:31:41 not be drugged.
00:31:42 And you just saw his psychopathic behavior,
00:31:45 'cause remember it was that,
00:31:46 and he was patting like the three girls,
00:31:48 who was in his room, who he treated like pets,
00:31:52 but they were like animals at the same time.
00:31:55 - Yeah, he was feeding them the people he killed, you know?
00:31:57 So it was like, should I feel sorry for them?
00:32:00 I don't know what to do.
00:32:02 But that was absolutely fascinating.
00:32:05 And then, you know, poor Batista,
00:32:07 I really wish they did more with him,
00:32:09 but it also just shows the sheer brutality.
00:32:12 It was like, we just can't stand you anymore.
00:32:14 We're gonna just get rid of you.
00:32:16 So I appreciated that.
00:32:18 But the whole situation with the test,
00:32:21 'cause he got tested as well with the Benadryt people.
00:32:27 Unlike Paul, where we see that they're basically
00:32:31 the same path, and I wish we could have gotten
00:32:33 the ultimate universe where he won.
00:32:34 But unlike Paul, he's like, oh my God, I'm in pain.
00:32:37 This dude was like loving every moment of it.
00:32:40 - He loves pain, yes.
00:32:41 - He loves pain, but then they talked about the weakness
00:32:44 is through sex, which I really wish we could have got
00:32:49 and saw, I thought to me that would have been a better
00:32:53 kind of decline of the character,
00:32:55 as opposed to what we got.
00:32:56 And that was, spoiler, it's a better way of,
00:32:59 you know, to see it downfall.
00:33:00 - Of course it's a spoiler, so spoiler cast.
00:33:02 - Yeah, that's what I forgot.
00:33:03 I'm like, hush, downfall.
00:33:05 No, I thought that would have been a better way
00:33:07 to set up that character, because I wanted him to stay
00:33:12 so much more, because essentially, he was the opposite
00:33:16 of what Paul was.
00:33:17 He was like, yeah, I'm gonna take the, you know,
00:33:19 Paul's like, I don't know if I want it.
00:33:22 He's like, I'm not sure, I'll take it.
00:33:24 And I would have loved to have seen him in power
00:33:27 and that complete maniac.
00:33:29 Oh, that would have been lovely, but we didn't get that.
00:33:32 - To piggyback off of Jaden's point,
00:33:34 it's kind of my biggest issue with the movie,
00:33:38 even though I love the movie, I think this would have been
00:33:41 better suited as a trilogy, because there are a lot
00:33:45 of different types of scenes that felt a little bit rushed,
00:33:49 or that weren't, you know, they could have spent more time
00:33:52 like, you know, with Fade and the whole,
00:33:56 their kind of thing, even pre and post,
00:33:59 when they got to Arrakis, felt like they could have done
00:34:01 a lot of stuff more with those characters.
00:34:04 And just a lot of scenes in general that we'll touch on
00:34:08 later on in the show that, and it's understandable,
00:34:11 if you're gonna make two movies out of it,
00:34:13 the stuff that seemed like they put
00:34:16 were the most important things, obviously.
00:34:18 So I have no issue with that, but seen as like,
00:34:22 a lot of stuff that could have been,
00:34:24 feel like could have been a little bit more fleshed out,
00:34:27 just to get to know a lot of these characters
00:34:28 and get to understand a lot of the personalities.
00:34:33 And yeah, I felt like it was probably the weakest part
00:34:37 of this movie for me.
00:34:40 - Yeah, no, I agree, because this is a trilogy,
00:34:44 and I just thought we would have been able to live
00:34:45 with these characters more, because you set up
00:34:48 the whole thing of, you know, she's pregnant.
00:34:53 And it's like, do I have to wait for Messiah?
00:34:57 - Yeah, you might have to.
00:34:58 - Oh, by the way, clarification for me,
00:35:01 when I say trilogy, the first book, just the first book,
00:35:05 could have been a trilogy.
00:35:07 - Okay, I'll say this though, like, even in the book,
00:35:10 Fade didn't get that much screen time.
00:35:13 Like, there was a big scene in the Coliseum,
00:35:16 then the big scene at the end when they fight,
00:35:18 but there's not much in between.
00:35:20 So the movie would have had to like fill it.
00:35:23 Even that whole pregnancy stuff,
00:35:25 that was just mentioned off screen, like,
00:35:26 "Oh yeah, that happened."
00:35:27 But it didn't, like in this movie,
00:35:29 you actually see it beginning.
00:35:31 In the book, it was like, "Oh yeah, this happened."
00:35:34 It was just like a quick aside, you know?
00:35:36 Like a quick sentence.
00:35:38 So you actually got more, Carlos, believe it or not,
00:35:40 you actually got more of this character
00:35:41 than you did in the book, yeah.
00:35:43 - Yeah, because he was, I mean, we got the scene
00:35:45 where he's talking to the Ben Jezreit priestess,
00:35:48 and then like right away, like it just cuts to,
00:35:53 "Put your hand in the box."
00:35:54 And now it's like, "Oh, talking to the grandmother,
00:35:57 "Ben Jezreit lady."
00:35:58 - That was not in the book.
00:36:00 That was not in the book.
00:36:01 It was just like, "Oh yeah, we put him through the test,
00:36:03 "and he's good."
00:36:04 Like that was literally it.
00:36:05 That's all you get.
00:36:06 So it was good to actually see that on screen,
00:36:09 just like it was good to see the fight.
00:36:10 Even the, okay, in the first, you know,
00:36:12 both of the big battle sequences in the book,
00:36:14 it happened off screen.
00:36:16 It didn't happen on screen.
00:36:18 It was like, this shit's being set up,
00:36:20 and then it's like, "Oh, here's the aftermath."
00:36:21 You don't actually see any of the fighting in either case.
00:36:24 So the fact that this movie is like,
00:36:26 "Okay, we're gonna spend an hour doing the battle now."
00:36:28 You know, that was good.
00:36:29 But yeah, so yeah.
00:36:31 So I kind of, I agree what you're saying,
00:36:33 or I should say I understand what you're saying,
00:36:34 but you actually have more of that character in this movie
00:36:36 than you did in the book, believe it or not, you know?
00:36:40 But yeah, but it's, oh, again,
00:36:41 it shows how manipulative these women are.
00:36:44 And again, you gotta remember the original plan, right?
00:36:48 Jessica was supposed to have a daughter.
00:36:50 Then Fade was supposed to, you know, get together with her.
00:36:53 And then that child was gonna be the kiss at Hadarach,
00:36:56 you know, instead of, but now Paul became that,
00:36:58 instead, just threw their whole plan off, you know?
00:37:02 - But technically, it does kind of happen, though.
00:37:07 - Yeah, it happens, but it wasn't supposed to be Paul.
00:37:10 No, but it was supposed, the child was,
00:37:12 it was supposed to be the union of the Harkonnens
00:37:15 and the Atreides.
00:37:17 That child was supposed to be that.
00:37:18 - Okay, because the daughter that Paul ends up talking to,
00:37:22 his sister, she ends up kind of being the messiah.
00:37:29 - Yes, but she's not the spawn of,
00:37:32 she's not a Harkonnen, like, you know, half Harkonnen.
00:37:36 Like, obviously we learned that, you know,
00:37:38 Jessica is a Harkonnen herself,
00:37:39 but like, she is not, like,
00:37:41 the child was supposed to be from, you know,
00:37:43 the Harkonnen, you know, Fade,
00:37:44 it was supposed to be Fade,
00:37:45 and the daughter of Jessica, that was supposed to be,
00:37:48 that child was supposed to be
00:37:50 who the Bedi-Jeserit wanted, you know?
00:37:52 But Jessica threw that whole plan out the door
00:37:54 by having Paul, you know?
00:37:56 - Wait, but this is what I was always confused about,
00:37:59 because Paul's prophecies are not exactly as he sees it.
00:38:03 - Yeah, 'cause remember, he's seeing multiple,
00:38:06 multiple different versions,
00:38:08 so he doesn't know which one is gonna be it.
00:38:10 He's seeing multiple different versions, you know?
00:38:13 - So is Rebecca Ferguson, the mother,
00:38:17 is she, like, accurately sure?
00:38:19 Does she only see one way?
00:38:21 - Yeah, that I'm not sure about.
00:38:24 - Is it supposedly written in stone?
00:38:25 - Well, after the war, it is.
00:38:26 - Because to me, it seemed like their powers were off.
00:38:28 - I think that was kind of touching on,
00:38:31 they're doing the spinoff.
00:38:32 - Oh, the HBO show, right?
00:38:35 - Yeah, they're doing the spinoff of "Sisterhood."
00:38:38 - 'Cause it seems to me, it seems like she'll still lie.
00:38:41 I can't trust her.
00:38:42 - I don't know how visions are true.
00:38:45 - But you're right, she did tell us in the past.
00:38:48 - Yeah, but you're right,
00:38:49 like, once you drink the water of life or whatever,
00:38:52 then you actually do see the path you're supposed to take.
00:38:56 - She still looked like she lied on the path.
00:38:58 - And it felt similar to Paul when he drank it.
00:39:04 It felt like it was just more like,
00:39:05 'cause before, it's like, I don't know,
00:39:08 I see you after a nuclear explosion,
00:39:12 or I see myself in a battle, but it all changes.
00:39:16 But after he drinks it,
00:39:17 it feels like it's more straightforward
00:39:19 what he's supposed to do and what he sees.
00:39:23 - Yeah, one change they did in the movie,
00:39:26 I think it was better because in the book, it was weird,
00:39:29 but even though some people wanted the weird stuff.
00:39:32 So Jessica has the daughter,
00:39:34 so you basically have a two-year-old talking like an adult.
00:39:37 So I'm kind of glad they just did it this way,
00:39:40 where she's just talking to out in the womb.
00:39:42 You know, 'cause I would've just-
00:39:43 - Well, in the original, they had that.
00:39:45 - Yeah, in the original, when they did that-
00:39:46 - Was it like three?
00:39:48 - Yeah, it was like two or three,
00:39:50 but it would just be her having this three-year-old
00:39:52 or whatever fucking talking like an adult, you know?
00:39:56 So in this one, they just-
00:39:56 - And they also changed, 'cause the three-year-old
00:39:59 is like a killer, 'cause remember, she kills the dude.
00:40:01 - Yeah, yeah, she kills, yeah.
00:40:03 So they changed all that.
00:40:04 - Yeah, sorry.
00:40:07 - Oh, go ahead, Joey.
00:40:08 You go first. - No, no, no, just real quick.
00:40:08 I like that as the movie goes on, where she's like,
00:40:12 oh, you know, she's talking to her daughter,
00:40:13 and some people are like, "Mm, okay."
00:40:15 But then later on towards the end of the movie,
00:40:17 you actually start hearing the daughter?
00:40:18 - Yeah.
00:40:19 - I was like, okay.
00:40:20 - And then their daughter's homegirl,
00:40:22 that, I don't know the actress.
00:40:24 - Anya Taylor-Joy?
00:40:25 - Yeah, yeah.
00:40:26 - Yeah, Jonathan Cohen.
00:40:27 - Yeah, Joey Miller.
00:40:27 (laughing)
00:40:29 - Joey knows all the white women.
00:40:30 - He knows all the white women, yeah.
00:40:33 - So question.
00:40:34 Oh, so that's interesting.
00:40:37 So she is, the child is born in the books
00:40:41 at this same timeframe, but they changed it.
00:40:44 So it's now, she's talking to her from the womb.
00:40:48 - In the womb, instead of her going.
00:40:50 - And, okay, so--
00:40:51 - Yeah, 'cause the timeline is shorter.
00:40:53 In the book, they were with the Fremen for years.
00:40:56 - Okay, cool.
00:40:58 Oh, that's interesting.
00:40:59 Also, I like the way they did this.
00:41:01 - I like that too.
00:41:03 'Cause at the old time, like she's with child.
00:41:05 It's like, oh, snap.
00:41:06 It would have been weird if she drank.
00:41:07 Kid right here.
00:41:08 - Yep.
00:41:09 - She drank the water of life,
00:41:13 and that explains why the baby, I guess,
00:41:17 has something or powers or I don't know what she has.
00:41:20 - It awakened her powers.
00:41:22 - Yeah.
00:41:23 - That's why I said Awkwafina.
00:41:24 - You know, when I talk about--
00:41:26 - 'Cause her mother.
00:41:28 (laughing)
00:41:28 And so at the very beginning,
00:41:30 Paul was able to not solely like,
00:41:33 necessarily clearly communicate with her,
00:41:36 but he was able to hear her.
00:41:37 - Was he?
00:41:39 The daughter?
00:41:40 - Yeah, in the beginning.
00:41:41 - I don't know about that,
00:41:42 'cause he was always asking his mom,
00:41:45 like, "Yo, what's she saying?"
00:41:45 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:46 He was, she did tell him that she's talking to the baby,
00:41:51 but he didn't hear her.
00:41:52 - Yeah, he didn't hear her.
00:41:54 Yeah, he didn't hear her.
00:41:55 - I thought he heard her.
00:41:56 'Cause he was like, at one point,
00:41:57 we was listening to this band,
00:41:58 and I was like, "Is she,
00:41:59 "does it like the sound that she's making through the--
00:42:02 - No, no, no, that didn't happen.
00:42:05 Anyway, so yeah, now let's go back to the planet,
00:42:08 'cause now things are getting real.
00:42:10 It's like Paul is really being pushed
00:42:12 into going to the South.
00:42:14 That's what they want.
00:42:15 Like half of them, the Fremen want,
00:42:19 like believe it, the other half don't.
00:42:21 And then things just keep going.
00:42:23 Then, what's his face?
00:42:25 Halleck shows up, Josh Brolin shows up,
00:42:30 and he's like, "Yo, we gotta do this.
00:42:32 "We gotta get revenge."
00:42:35 And that was interesting,
00:42:35 but Paul specifically said, "Yes, I want revenge.
00:42:38 "I want revenge."
00:42:39 So that was pretty bold stuff.
00:42:42 Okay, so again, another very interesting change
00:42:47 from the book.
00:42:48 In the book, Gurney thought that Jessica
00:42:52 was the betrayer.
00:42:54 Remember in the first movie,
00:42:55 it was that doctor or whatever?
00:42:58 He was the one that actually betrayed them to Harkonnen.
00:43:00 So he didn't know that.
00:43:01 He thought it was Jessica.
00:43:03 In the book, when he meets her, he's like,
00:43:06 "Oh, I'm gonna take her out.
00:43:07 "I'm gonna kill Jessica."
00:43:08 So he actually goes to kill Jessica,
00:43:11 and Paul comes in and stops it.
00:43:12 And then Paul's like, "Why didn't I see that?
00:43:15 "I'm supposed to have these properties.
00:43:17 "I didn't foresee this.
00:43:19 "I gotta take this water or life shit."
00:43:21 But in the movie, it was he didn't foresee the attack
00:43:24 on their home, on the Fremen home.
00:43:27 And he's like, "Okay, I gotta take this water."
00:43:28 So that was a very interesting thing.
00:43:31 Like I said, he wouldn't have another subplot in there
00:43:33 of Josh Brolin trying to kill Jessica.
00:43:36 So that was cool.
00:43:38 But regardless, it ended up with the same thing.
00:43:40 He's like, "I didn't see this coming.
00:43:43 "I can't have this happening.
00:43:45 "I gotta take this water of life stuff."
00:43:47 And then after that, that's when he becomes
00:43:51 what he feared he would become.
00:43:53 He becomes very forceful.
00:43:56 He's like, "I'm gonna lead you to paradise."
00:43:58 Obviously, that's code for,
00:43:59 "We're gonna just rain hell across the universe."
00:44:02 - Which that was the second half
00:44:05 where I saw this kid acting and I was like, "Yo."
00:44:08 - Yeah, it was good.
00:44:10 - Light switch.
00:44:11 - And it's just amazing seeing him
00:44:14 the way he started in the first movie
00:44:15 and then seeing where he ends now,
00:44:17 fully in control of everything.
00:44:20 I'm not gonna say manipulative.
00:44:23 He's just forced like, "No, we're doing this.
00:44:25 "I'm the fucking prophet, let's go.
00:44:27 "You guys are listening to me."
00:44:29 Like, "Damn, son."
00:44:30 And then obviously, Sean is not happy about that.
00:44:32 He's like, "It's written, it's right there."
00:44:35 - Those are the facts.
00:44:36 - Those are the facts.
00:44:38 - It's written.
00:44:39 - Yeah, go ahead, Dana.
00:44:41 - My question is, I've always wanted this
00:44:44 because to me, it felt so sudden
00:44:47 because we spent the whole movie and a half
00:44:50 of him being like, "No, I don't want it.
00:44:51 "No, no, no."
00:44:52 And him being pensive to that sudden change
00:44:55 where I don't know if he was being manipulative
00:44:59 in terms of he always knew
00:45:00 that he was gonna take that control.
00:45:02 But right now, let me just play dumb
00:45:04 and I don't really want it.
00:45:05 What was that switch?
00:45:08 Because if you look, there were certain moments
00:45:11 that he was really deceptive,
00:45:13 which he learned from his mama.
00:45:15 So I was just like, was he deceptive this whole time
00:45:18 and just playing everyone until the very end?
00:45:22 - Yeah, I don't think that was the case.
00:45:24 Again, that switch was when he saw the friend at home
00:45:27 getting destroyed and he didn't foresee it.
00:45:29 That's what made him go, "Okay, I gotta do this now."
00:45:32 'Cause remember, he really loved those people.
00:45:35 He really felt he was one of them.
00:45:36 - Right, but he's not the one though.
00:45:40 So it's just like, it's interesting.
00:45:42 - It was written.
00:45:43 - It's written.
00:45:44 - Yeah, that's one part that I was kind of second guessing
00:45:50 was like, 'cause I feel like his motivation
00:45:54 has always been, at least post first movie,
00:45:57 his motivation has always been to seek revenge.
00:46:00 So I feel like that's the reason why he took the path
00:46:05 that he took.
00:46:06 I mean, the blue drink just accelerated his decision-making,
00:46:11 but it felt like all of these decisions that he's made
00:46:16 were always gonna be this
00:46:18 because his underlying motivations
00:46:22 are always gonna be the same.
00:46:23 - Yeah, no, you're right about that.
00:46:25 It was always just gonna happen regardless, yeah.
00:46:29 - That's why to me, he felt like he was,
00:46:32 oh God, okay.
00:46:33 - Yeah, no, go ahead, go ahead.
00:46:35 - I was gonna just say, that's why to me,
00:46:37 he was always, they prepared him for this moment.
00:46:41 - Yeah.
00:46:42 - But I think that him, I don't want it,
00:46:45 just helped him gain that following,
00:46:48 gain people on his side.
00:46:50 If you come in arrogant, like say,
00:46:52 the Paul- - He's just humble.
00:46:54 - I'm not the Paul.
00:46:54 (all laughing)
00:46:56 - He's written like that.
00:46:57 - Right, he's just humble, is written like that
00:46:59 as opposed to when you saw Austin Butler's character,
00:47:04 because they were the same path.
00:47:06 If he was like, yeah, I'm gonna take the throne,
00:47:08 then you're not gonna get that following behind you
00:47:12 and people fighting for you in your name
00:47:15 and his holy war.
00:47:17 So for me, I just kind of thought that
00:47:19 he was just playing Paul from the whole time.
00:47:22 - Well, the- - He was like a little rabbit
00:47:24 who was able to survive.
00:47:26 - Yeah, but the Harkonnens, I felt like
00:47:29 they always had their trump card on the emperor.
00:47:32 - Yeah.
00:47:33 - So I felt like if Paul never did what he did,
00:47:38 I felt like the Harkonnens were destined
00:47:39 to rule the empire.
00:47:42 - Yeah, yeah, 'cause they could be like,
00:47:43 hey, the emperor's the one that made us do this
00:47:46 and then the other houses would get pissed off,
00:47:48 dethrone him, yeah.
00:47:49 So yeah, regardless, you're right about that.
00:47:51 That would have been the outcome.
00:47:53 - Plus the Bene Gesserits had, I think,
00:47:57 felt like they were rooting for the Harkonnens to win.
00:48:01 - Yeah, which is fucking nuts, man.
00:48:04 But yeah, so now we get to the final stage.
00:48:09 You find the nuclear arsenal and all that.
00:48:12 That was pretty nuts.
00:48:13 And then the big final battle,
00:48:14 the emperor shows up, he's like,
00:48:16 oh, gotta take this challenge now.
00:48:18 Paul's like, all right, motherfucker, you wanna do this?
00:48:20 Let's do this.
00:48:22 And man, that battle was so epic, man.
00:48:26 We've seen, how many movies have we seen
00:48:28 where like, Armie's just class-edged a little bit?
00:48:30 It just became like a stereotype in the mid-2000s,
00:48:33 but in this one, it felt fresh again.
00:48:35 You're like, man, that's crazy.
00:48:37 And then obviously you have these giant worms just coming.
00:48:39 That was so insane.
00:48:42 It's like, you see one worm, it's like,
00:48:43 oh, hold on, we got two more, motherfucker.
00:48:45 (laughing)
00:48:46 That was so nuts.
00:48:48 Oh, so good.
00:48:50 - When you saw the little things that hit each other
00:48:54 to let the sandworms to go,
00:48:58 I'm like, this shit is about to go down.
00:49:00 - Yeah, it's like, oh, we got a whole fleet
00:49:02 of these things.
00:49:03 And this is the part where I wanna,
00:49:05 'cause we were already kept touching on it.
00:49:08 The special effects, again, it's like,
00:49:10 what's special effects?
00:49:11 Like, you know they're special effects,
00:49:13 but it's just so seamless, you know?
00:49:16 And it goes to show like the rest of these Hollywood movies,
00:49:19 like guys, it's possible to make good CG, you know?
00:49:23 And the reason that I think it works so well in these movies
00:49:25 is because the reason why old movies had better good CG
00:49:28 or better CG is because it was still framed
00:49:31 in something real, you know?
00:49:33 It wasn't just a completely fabricated shot.
00:49:36 It was based on something.
00:49:37 There's a real shot there, you know?
00:49:39 Again, "Jurassic Park," the first "Jurassic Park"
00:49:41 looks better than the fucking new ones, you know?
00:49:44 It's crazy.
00:49:45 Like, for example, remember the scene
00:49:46 where the T-Rex is screaming at the end
00:49:48 and like, you see the sign coming down?
00:49:49 That was in a real building.
00:49:51 It wasn't like a CG building.
00:49:52 And nowadays it would have been a CG building.
00:49:54 The camera shots would be something
00:49:55 that an actual human couldn't do, you know?
00:49:58 So all this just felt so natural.
00:50:01 - Oh, my God, yeah, but that battle was so crazy.
00:50:03 And again, like, I love how all the pieces
00:50:05 kind of came together.
00:50:06 It was like, we found the code.
00:50:08 Okay, I predicted the sandstorm.
00:50:10 You know, I predicted this motherfucker
00:50:11 was gonna be coming to the planet.
00:50:13 And then it all just, like, you kind of saw
00:50:15 the dominoes kind of toppling, you know?
00:50:18 The only criticism I would have is like,
00:50:20 I wish they would have had a little bit of a harder time
00:50:23 fighting against the Harkonnens at the end.
00:50:24 And, yeah, it all hit the storm right through them.
00:50:28 The side of car, whatever, like, all those cats,
00:50:30 like, nah, we destroyed this shit, you know?
00:50:33 And then obviously it leads to, you know,
00:50:35 the one-on-one battle with, you know, Fade and Paul.
00:50:40 That was cool too.
00:50:40 Hey, hey, cousin, how you doing?
00:50:42 I'm happy to meet you, you know?
00:50:44 And that's where you saw, like, Fade,
00:50:47 obviously we saw him as this, like, evil, manipulative dude,
00:50:49 but the guy still had some kind of honor, you know?
00:50:52 Even when he died, he's like, you fought well, you know?
00:50:54 I'm like, okay, that's kind of cool.
00:50:57 But it was also Paul kind of, like, manipulating him too.
00:51:00 It's like, okay, they got close, they got close,
00:51:03 and then it's like, oh, hold up, gotcha, bitch, you know?
00:51:05 That was good.
00:51:06 - And that was when, after that,
00:51:09 when my favorite line was written,
00:51:11 where it was like, I take your daughter's hand in marriage,
00:51:13 I'm like, my man.
00:51:14 - Yeah.
00:51:15 - Okay.
00:51:16 - Yeah, no, he was like, listen, I just, yeah,
00:51:19 it's like, I don't have to take your head,
00:51:20 I'll just take your daughter's hand.
00:51:22 - I was like, my man.
00:51:23 - Yeah, but what was cool about the scene right before,
00:51:26 he goes to Chan, he's like, no matter what,
00:51:28 I'll always love you.
00:51:30 - Yeah.
00:51:31 - That, 'cause he knew what he was gonna do,
00:51:32 'cause he knew exactly what he was gonna do.
00:51:34 Pimp, you know?
00:51:35 - Yeah.
00:51:36 - You know, and then he's like, kiss the ring, bitch.
00:51:38 You know?
00:51:39 Christopher Walken's like, oh, fuck.
00:51:40 And it was bloody as fuck too, it was like, clean.
00:51:43 You know, but it's like, that scene was powerful.
00:51:45 Everybody was like, oh shit,
00:51:46 the emperor's bowing to him now, you know?
00:51:49 - Yeah, but even when he says that line
00:51:51 to Christopher Walken, the emperor,
00:51:54 look at that, that again.
00:51:55 - And you see, and you see Chani exhale,
00:51:58 like, damn, I hit her, I was like, oh damn,
00:52:01 like, oof, I felt that.
00:52:03 Like, yeah, I just take your daughter's hand in marriage.
00:52:04 I was like.
00:52:05 - Yeah, I mean, it's interesting,
00:52:08 because I'm trying to figure out,
00:52:10 like, is Paul saying, hey, you don't really mean anything,
00:52:15 this is more important, or is like,
00:52:17 yo, I need to do this politically?
00:52:19 - That's what it is, yeah.
00:52:21 'Cause they even told him that beforehand,
00:52:22 it's like, you know, you're gonna have to do this
00:52:24 eventually, you know?
00:52:26 - Why can't it be both?
00:52:28 By the way, I will say, I will say,
00:52:30 if Chani ever complains about, you know,
00:52:34 Paul's decisions, Paul can just say,
00:52:36 you told me to go south.
00:52:37 I said, I didn't wanna go south,
00:52:39 you told me to go south, I didn't wanna go south.
00:52:42 - Yeah, by the way, yeah, that was another
00:52:44 kind of interesting change from book,
00:52:45 is Chani was with him the entire time in the book,
00:52:49 ride or die, no questions asked,
00:52:52 even at that scene, like, in the end,
00:52:54 she stays like, oh, you need to marry her, that's cool,
00:52:56 'cause they were still gonna be together regardless,
00:52:58 you know, but in this one, she kinda goes off,
00:53:00 which is very interesting.
00:53:01 I don't know what's gonna happen with that.
00:53:03 - Yeah, I felt like if they didn't do that,
00:53:06 people would complain, you know?
00:53:08 - Yeah.
00:53:09 - Those type of people would complain.
00:53:10 - Yeah, you're probably right about that,
00:53:12 but, you know, hopefully, 'cause they're not
00:53:14 supposed to be separate, you know?
00:53:16 - Yeah.
00:53:17 - 'Cause remember, this is, you know, like,
00:53:19 court stuff, it's like, you're married to a specific person,
00:53:23 but you still got your side person, you know,
00:53:25 who you actually care about.
00:53:26 - As it was written.
00:53:27 - Yeah, yeah, pretty much, you got your political marriage,
00:53:29 and then, you know, who you actually want, you know?
00:53:31 - Diana, but really, it was more,
00:53:34 what's her name, Camilla?
00:53:35 (laughing)
00:53:36 - You know?
00:53:38 Oh, man, and then, obviously, you know,
00:53:40 it's funny, it's like, this is the ending of part one,
00:53:43 right, or excuse me, the ending of part two
00:53:45 is supposed to be the ending of the entire first book,
00:53:47 and then, it felt like a cliffhanger, almost, you know?
00:53:50 It's like, oh, shit, you know, 'cause it's like,
00:53:52 oh, you're like, hey, the other houses don't recognize you,
00:53:56 it's like, all right, let's get paradise,
00:53:59 and you're like, oh, shit, you know,
00:54:00 and the president's like, yeah, let's fucking go, you know?
00:54:03 - It was written, that's how it's in the prophecy.
00:54:06 - It's in the prophecy, it was the prophecy, son, you know?
00:54:10 I told you, you know, slapping each other like, let's go, son.
00:54:14 - No, the part where he's reading out
00:54:16 everyone's fears in that speech, I was like, whoa.
00:54:21 - Oh, yeah, whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo.
00:54:23 - I was like, man.
00:54:25 - Yeah, that's how he gets everyone.
00:54:28 At first, I was looking at, so this is how I imagined it
00:54:32 in real time while I was watching the movie.
00:54:34 So, Paul was going and went to the center,
00:54:35 and then, people were just doubting him, right,
00:54:37 like, they didn't really have his back,
00:54:40 and I felt like, oh, he's gonna talk to them,
00:54:42 but they're all loud, and I was just waiting for him
00:54:44 to be like, silence, and then everyone shuts the hell up,
00:54:47 and then he starts talking, but, you know,
00:54:49 still a great scene, but I felt like
00:54:52 that would have been crazy.
00:54:53 - Yo, when he did that to the Benny Jezred, like,
00:54:55 grandmother or whatever, like, silence,
00:54:57 like, he shut her ass up, you know?
00:54:59 - Oh, yeah. - It's like, shit.
00:55:01 - 'Cause she did it to him. - Yeah, she did it,
00:55:03 yes, right, yeah, but now it's like, nah,
00:55:05 now the foot is on the other, you know,
00:55:07 she was on the other foot now, you know?
00:55:09 So good, man.
00:55:11 All right, so we're kinda coming up on our time here,
00:55:14 so any last thoughts you guys wanna bring up
00:55:16 before we wrap it up?
00:55:17 - I will say the only minor change that looks,
00:55:22 that I kinda noticed between the two movies,
00:55:25 I know a few people brought it up too,
00:55:26 this one looks more digital,
00:55:29 as the first one looked a bit more film-like.
00:55:31 - I could see that, I could see that, yeah.
00:55:33 - But still, still perfect, I just noticed
00:55:36 that little change, I was like, okay,
00:55:38 I am so jealous for that person who doesn't know "Doomed,"
00:55:42 I will see one and two in "Doomed."
00:55:44 - Oh, yeah, 'cause it's so seamless, you know?
00:55:46 - I'm so jealous of that person.
00:55:47 - Yeah, it's so seamless, you know?
00:55:49 But you're right about that, for lack of a better term,
00:55:51 this movie looked cleaner than the first one.
00:55:54 The first one was like gritty, you know,
00:55:56 like it felt more earthy, you know?
00:55:59 Not that this one didn't either,
00:56:00 it still feels more natural than every other movie
00:56:03 that's out there, you know?
00:56:06 But yeah, man, again, you guys already know,
00:56:08 like I don't really buy physical movies,
00:56:10 but I bought "Doomed" one physical,
00:56:12 I will buy this physical.
00:56:14 And when the eventual box set comes out,
00:56:17 you already know, man, you already know.
00:56:19 And from what I understand right now,
00:56:21 the movie's like, apparently, like the opening day
00:56:23 was like the biggest for Denis, right, Denis Villeneuve,
00:56:26 so I'm guessing, you know, for him, for him, you know?
00:56:29 Yeah, for him, I didn't say overall,
00:56:31 I said for him, highest grossing movie for him.
00:56:33 So I'm gonna hope, and he said,
00:56:35 apparently he's mostly done with the script for "Doomed"
00:56:38 Messiah, so I think if this movie does well,
00:56:40 which it probably will,
00:56:41 probably gonna get good word of mouth,
00:56:43 we're gonna get "Doomed" Messiah,
00:56:45 and that's where you're gonna see the flip,
00:56:46 'cause I know there's a bunch of these fucking idiots
00:56:48 talking about, oh, it's the white savior story,
00:56:51 it's like, you're gonna see the twist on that, you know?
00:56:55 - Is the show coming in between?
00:56:57 - Yeah, go ahead, Dana.
00:56:58 - Yeah, the show is, no, the show is in between,
00:57:01 and also it's not a savior movie, 'cause he's a villain.
00:57:04 But yes, the show comes,
00:57:06 see, he has four different projects
00:57:09 that is currently in the works,
00:57:10 so we're not gonna get three for a while,
00:57:13 but "Messiah," there's a TV show,
00:57:16 it's gonna come in between this and "Messiah."
00:57:20 - Okay.
00:57:21 - You don't know the year.
00:57:23 - Dana, you gonna say something
00:57:24 about the whole white savior thing?
00:57:26 - No, what I'm saying is, yes, no,
00:57:29 it's not a white savior moment,
00:57:31 because this dude is a villain character.
00:57:34 - Yeah, and you're gonna see that in "Messiah," you know?
00:57:37 - So this is not, and even if you could set him up
00:57:42 as a villain, so there's no white savior moment
00:57:46 in this at all.
00:57:48 - Yeah, but you know how people are,
00:57:49 and they're fucking just simple, you know?
00:57:52 - It's more to show how an outsider comes in
00:57:54 and destroys everything.
00:57:56 So this is literally the movie that you want.
00:57:59 - Yeah, and even before that,
00:58:02 the Ben Jezreel came to this planet
00:58:03 and fucked things up, you know?
00:58:05 Again, Frank Herbert, his whole thing in the book
00:58:08 was like, "Don't put your faith in people like this."
00:58:12 That was one of the themes of the book.
00:58:13 Do not put your faith, because they will be corrupted.
00:58:17 And you already seen that with Paul.
00:58:19 - This is a false prophet book.
00:58:21 This whole thing was to set up false prophets.
00:58:25 - Yep, exactly.
00:58:26 - So to me, that's why I loved it even more,
00:58:29 'cause it's not like he's the one.
00:58:30 He's actually not, but it's the show,
00:58:32 and that's what I--
00:58:33 - It's written.
00:58:34 - It's the show.
00:58:35 Like, if you look at the Javier Bardem character,
00:58:37 that's why I loved it so much with him,
00:58:39 because it shows how someone without question,
00:58:42 that blind faith, without even like,
00:58:45 "Let me think about this for a minute."
00:58:47 - That line, remember the line?
00:58:48 "I don't care what you believe.
00:58:50 "I care what I believe."
00:58:52 He says that to fucking Paul!
00:58:54 You know, it's like, damn, you know?
00:58:56 Like, that's how powerful faith is with some people.
00:59:00 Like, okay, you see the evidence in front of you,
00:59:03 you don't care.
00:59:04 You're seeing what you want.
00:59:05 You know, it's like, "Oh, yo,
00:59:06 "look at the way he stepped on that rock.
00:59:07 "It's real, it's real."
00:59:08 Like, every little thing, it happened, it happened.
00:59:11 You know?
00:59:12 It's a warning.
00:59:13 You know, the movie and the book,
00:59:15 there's a warning against people like that.
00:59:17 False messiahs, you know, false prophets.
00:59:20 - This is why I love Chaney's character.
00:59:23 What is it, Chaney?
00:59:24 Chaney, Chaney? - Chaney, yeah.
00:59:25 Chaney, yeah.
00:59:26 - Chaney's character so much,
00:59:28 because she was like, with the Freeman,
00:59:30 why don't we do things ourselves?
00:59:33 Why don't we fight our own oppression?
00:59:35 Why don't we get out there and, you know,
00:59:37 just basically be our own person and, you know,
00:59:41 rise together instead of waiting for someone to come?
00:59:45 We're adding into our own oppression
00:59:47 by waiting for a savior.
00:59:49 - Yeah.
00:59:50 - But the savior ends up being a villain
00:59:52 as opposed to you rescuing yourself.
00:59:55 That's why for me, when she said,
00:59:57 when he said, "I'm gonna marry Florence Pugh,"
01:00:02 you felt that gut punch.
01:00:04 - Yeah.
01:00:05 - 'Cause it wasn't like, oh, I thought you loved me.
01:00:06 It wasn't an I love me character.
01:00:08 It was, oh, he's really fully going
01:00:10 into this false prophet narrative.
01:00:13 He's doing the exact opposite of what is for the Freeman.
01:00:18 So it's not even like, oh, for the people.
01:00:19 It's for the Freeman.
01:00:21 He says he's trying to help, but he ends up destroying.
01:00:24 So that's why I just put him in my book.
01:00:25 - I got nothing but respect for my prophet.
01:00:27 (laughing)
01:00:28 My man.
01:00:29 - Got the white woman, you know?
01:00:32 And that was the other thing.
01:00:33 It's like, you know, like,
01:00:35 Chani, she didn't, again, she didn't care about that stuff.
01:00:38 She cared about him, you know?
01:00:40 Like that scene where, like, you know,
01:00:41 he's like kind of just on the verge of death.
01:00:44 Everybody's like, "Oh, he'll be back.
01:00:45 He'll be back."
01:00:46 And she's like, "What the fuck you guys do?
01:00:47 The hell you yell at him?"
01:00:48 You know, it's like, I liked that.
01:00:49 Like, it was genuine care there.
01:00:52 Again, fucking Zendaya did a good job here.
01:00:54 It's kind of amazing to me,
01:00:56 'cause I don't really think,
01:00:57 I didn't think she was a, she had it in her
01:00:59 based on the Spider-Man movies, you know?
01:01:01 - And it was her tears that brought him back, right?
01:01:03 - Yeah, it was her tears.
01:01:04 Yeah, it was the tears mixed with the-
01:01:05 - Oh, Paul and Sprint.
01:01:06 - But again, that was also part of the prophecy.
01:01:09 (laughs)
01:01:10 - As it was written.
01:01:12 - The spring of life, you know?
01:01:13 The desert spring, yeah.
01:01:16 - Paul got some constipation in a desert mouse
01:01:18 as it was written.
01:01:19 - Yeah, man.
01:01:20 - There you go.
01:01:22 - Man, by the way, that was another,
01:01:23 again, the CG is so crazy.
01:01:25 It's like, I know that fucking mouse is CG,
01:01:27 but it looks real, you know?
01:01:29 'Cause mice always look CG as fucking movies, you know?
01:01:33 And this one was like, "Oh yeah, look at that."
01:01:34 But then obviously the ears give it away,
01:01:35 like, "Okay, yeah, that's not real," you know?
01:01:39 And I like that scene too.
01:01:40 It's like, "Oh, that's a good name, that's a good name."
01:01:42 You know?
01:01:43 (laughs)
01:01:44 Now, it was like that in the book too.
01:01:45 It's like, you know, it's like-
01:01:47 - That was a real mouse.
01:01:49 - Yeah, no, no, it wasn't.
01:01:50 Like, that's a fake mouse.
01:01:52 Like the, you know, you could tell it's CG, you know?
01:01:55 - It's not a fake mouse, it was a real mouse.
01:01:56 It was a real mouse.
01:01:57 - No, it wasn't real.
01:01:58 - It was a mouse.
01:02:01 - Things like that don't exist, you know?
01:02:04 - Oh, it does exist.
01:02:05 - Like, they're based on something,
01:02:07 but you could tell the little tweaks they did.
01:02:09 Like, the ears aren't like that on the real version,
01:02:12 you know?
01:02:13 - I don't know.
01:02:14 They look like that, no?
01:02:16 - No, they do look like that, but again,
01:02:18 you see the features are exaggerated on the movie one,
01:02:21 'cause it's an alien, you know?
01:02:23 But that's also probably why it looks so real,
01:02:25 because it's based off a real thing, just exaggerated,
01:02:29 you know?
01:02:30 But regardless, yeah, I like that.
01:02:32 His nickname is literally Desert Mouse.
01:02:34 It's fucking awesome, you know?
01:02:36 That's G shit right there, you know?
01:02:39 But yeah, so yeah, those are like my thoughts on the movie.
01:02:43 The movie's fantastic.
01:02:44 I wanna see it again.
01:02:45 Actually, Joey, did you go to Union Square
01:02:46 for that 70 millimeter one?
01:02:47 Like, where'd you see it?
01:02:48 'Cause I think I wanna see it.
01:02:49 - No, I go to the Alamo.
01:02:50 They screen movies in 70 millimeter.
01:02:52 - Brooklyn or Manhattan?
01:02:54 - I went to Brooklyn.
01:02:55 I'm not, I believe, I don't know if Manhattan screens
01:02:58 in 70, but in Brooklyn, yeah.
01:03:00 - Okay, Brooklyn.
01:03:00 I don't like going to Brooklyn, though.
01:03:02 - I've been to that one.
01:03:03 - Yeah.
01:03:04 - You have?
01:03:05 - To the-- - The Kelbon?
01:03:06 - Yeah.
01:03:06 - That's my neighborhood, bro.
01:03:08 - Oh shit, yeah, 'cause I've been,
01:03:09 it is a nice theater, I just don't like going to Brooklyn,
01:03:12 you know, but that theater is dope.
01:03:13 I've been there for an event.
01:03:14 - They just expanded.
01:03:16 - Oh shit, yeah.
01:03:17 But yeah, again, I can't wait to see it again.
01:03:21 I think I even saw the first one in theaters twice.
01:03:23 I'm like, that's how you know it's real, you know?
01:03:25 - Yeah.
01:03:26 - Like when I go see, and obviously I'm gonna buy it.
01:03:28 Great, I'm so glad that we got such a good adaptation
01:03:32 of "Dune" without the bullshit that you see
01:03:35 in a lot of modern movies.
01:03:36 I'm not gonna say, but you know exactly
01:03:38 what I'm talking about.
01:03:38 - It only took 50 years.
01:03:40 - Yeah, if it was some other fucking director,
01:03:43 it would have been Zendaya's story.
01:03:45 Paul would have been pushed to the side
01:03:46 and be humiliated or whatever, you know?
01:03:48 But we're not gonna get into that.
01:03:50 - Shout out to David Lynch, he tried.
01:03:51 - Yeah, he tried, he tried, you know?
01:03:53 And again, Denis, I can't wait to fucking rendezvous
01:03:56 with Rama, that's gonna be good.
01:03:59 I think that's his next movie, isn't it, Joey?
01:04:01 - One of the four.
01:04:03 - Four, fuck!
01:04:04 Oh, we're gonna be eating good, man.
01:04:06 We're gonna be eating good, you know?
01:04:08 Again, I don't have anything, I'm repeating myself.
01:04:12 That movie's fucking amazing.
01:04:13 - Yeah, I'll go next.
01:04:15 My final thoughts, this movie was incredible.
01:04:17 I'm happy that we got to experience this movie.
01:04:22 I do, like Tony, wanna watch it a second time,
01:04:24 and I will watch it a second time eventually in the theater.
01:04:27 And yeah, I just wanna give a shout out to Hans Zimmer,
01:04:32 because the score for this movie was incredible.
01:04:35 It was up to par with everything.
01:04:37 The cinematography was incredible,
01:04:39 the acting was incredible.
01:04:41 It was, man, one hell of a movie, man.
01:04:44 I'm glad we're getting to experience this
01:04:47 and can't wait for "Doom Messiah."
01:04:50 - Yeah, Joey, go ahead, man.
01:04:52 - I think, if I'm not mistaken,
01:04:55 if he returned for the sequel,
01:04:56 I think this was Gregg Fraser, the cinematographer,
01:04:59 who did this one and the first one,
01:05:01 'cause he also did "The Batman,"
01:05:02 which I also loved as well.
01:05:04 - Oh, yeah.
01:05:06 - So I am on board waiting for the next one,
01:05:09 which he could take his sweet time.
01:05:11 I don't like when things are rushed.
01:05:12 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:13 - Go for it, do your thing.
01:05:15 I will be buying this.
01:05:17 There's not a lot of movies I buy.
01:05:19 - You know?
01:05:20 - Yeah, I will be pre-ordering this one ASAP,
01:05:23 and eventually I will be seeing this again in the theater.
01:05:26 Like this, yeah, this was a damn, like, complete package.
01:05:31 And there are gonna be those that don't like whatever.
01:05:34 I don't even wanna hear it.
01:05:35 Like, this one's just, yeah, this one's damn great.
01:05:40 - Yeah, Dana.
01:05:42 - No, I'm excited for this.
01:05:46 And this was something, it made me excited
01:05:47 for award season, which is way too early,
01:05:50 but I'm like, yay, it's gonna be incredible.
01:05:53 No, like the rest of you guys, I wanna see it again.
01:05:57 I'm trying to find tickets, I found a theater, so yay.
01:05:59 I got my tickets to see it again.
01:06:02 And, you know, it's one of those movies
01:06:04 that I don't wanna forget, because I saw it weeks ago.
01:06:07 And I'm starting to forget some things,
01:06:09 and I wanna refresh it,
01:06:10 just because it's such an exceptional movie.
01:06:12 I don't ever wanna forget it.
01:06:13 And I really haven't felt that way about a movie
01:06:16 since maybe, as you was talking about,
01:06:18 the "Fellowship of the Ring," that whole trilogy.
01:06:20 - Yeah, the whole trilogy, yes.
01:06:21 - The "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.
01:06:23 Yeah, I have not, I don't think there's been a movie
01:06:25 that has been that impactful for so long.
01:06:29 So I want to see it again.
01:06:31 I started reading the book again,
01:06:32 which is crazy, because I hated it.
01:06:34 But now I come in with a different appreciation.
01:06:36 So it's really interesting how he's able to
01:06:38 kind of reopen that door for something
01:06:40 that I originally really hated.
01:06:42 So I'm here for it.
01:06:43 - Yeah, maybe you'll like the first movie again.
01:06:45 You know, or the first time.
01:06:47 - No, no, I watched it again, and I said, "No."
01:06:50 - Damn, I don't understand,
01:06:51 'cause I'm like, those two movies
01:06:52 are of equal quality to me, you know?
01:06:55 There's like--
01:06:56 - No, it's the pacing, the pacing.
01:06:58 I get, and I understand that they're establishing things,
01:07:01 and it does make me appreciate the second movie more,
01:07:04 but the pacing wasn't as good with it.
01:07:08 And the characters, but--
01:07:10 - Yeah, go ahead, Joey.
01:07:12 - No, I just wanted to know, oh, oh.
01:07:14 - Yeah, you know, you finished me, that's--
01:07:16 - Really quickly, what happened to the black guy
01:07:19 who was in the first movie?
01:07:20 - He died. - He's a light-skinned
01:07:21 black guy, he died?
01:07:22 - What light-skinned black guy?
01:07:24 - Oh, light-skinned.
01:07:26 - There was, there was the, oh God,
01:07:28 I can't remember his name, but he was basically,
01:07:31 not, I think he was kind of like part of security?
01:07:34 - Not Jemis?
01:07:35 - Oh, the old guy. - I know, the old guy.
01:07:37 - Yeah. - The old guy, yeah.
01:07:38 Like, he was like the computer guy or whatever.
01:07:41 - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, he just disappeared.
01:07:43 - Did he die, did he die in the raid?
01:07:46 - I don't know. - He didn't die in the raid.
01:07:48 - I know what you're talking about, yeah.
01:07:49 - Unless he died on the raid. - The head of security,
01:07:51 the head of security dude.
01:07:53 - Yeah, he died. - Yeah.
01:07:55 - Like, I remember that the--
01:07:55 - That's the thing. - He had kind of like
01:07:57 freckles too, right, Dana?
01:07:58 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:59 - Oh, wow. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:00 Mm-hmm, yeah, like he's like a mentat or something.
01:08:02 Like, basically, he was the human calculator, I believe.
01:08:06 - Yeah. - You know, yeah.
01:08:07 Yeah, that's a good question.
01:08:08 I think he probably just died in the raid
01:08:10 in the first film, you know? - Yeah.
01:08:12 - 'Cause remember, by this time,
01:08:13 it's like they only had three other members
01:08:15 of House Atreides, you know?
01:08:17 - Yeah, that's what I was thinking, they just--
01:08:19 - Oh, he's dead, yeah, he's just dead, you know?
01:08:22 - It's just, it's really crazy that we were almost blessed
01:08:26 to get this in November, but instead we got the Marvels.
01:08:29 - Trash, you know?
01:08:33 Speaking about trash. - I didn't see it.
01:08:35 - Yeah, I didn't see it, but like, you already know.
01:08:38 You already, I checked out of Marvel after Doctor Strange.
01:08:42 I'm like, okay, I'm done.
01:08:43 - When I heard-- - Multiverse,
01:08:45 not the first Doctor Strange.
01:08:46 - When I heard that-- - Boy, you and I saw
01:08:47 that one together, the first Doctor Strange.
01:08:48 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Fucking great movie.
01:08:50 - When I heard that the Rider Strike delayed,
01:08:53 they delayed Dune II, I was just like, no.
01:08:56 - Yo, Carlos and I were like, don't delay Dune,
01:08:58 said, and then it did, you know?
01:09:01 Fucking Rider Strike, but anyway, Dune II, go see it.
01:09:05 Masterpiece, modern masterpiece.
01:09:07 It'll make you, it'll remind you
01:09:09 that movies can actually be good
01:09:11 if you have a passionate director
01:09:13 who wants to entertain and not preach.
01:09:16 Great movie, you know?
01:09:19 Anyway, we're gonna be done here.
01:09:20 Do we have anything to plug?
01:09:22 Dean, I'm gonna go to you.
01:09:22 What's going on with the coalition?
01:09:25 - We have a bunch of Dune interviews.
01:09:27 They're on the site, so that's there.
01:09:31 - There you go.
01:09:32 All right, Joey, man, good to see you again, brother.
01:09:35 If people want to follow you, where can they follow you?
01:09:37 - Underscore @BrooklynBear on Twitter to get all your,
01:09:41 or X to get all your Florence Pugh love.
01:09:45 - Yeah, you know?
01:09:45 (laughing)
01:09:46 Yeah, and sorry, Elon, I will never call it X.
01:09:50 That shit is Twitter, you know?
01:09:52 - Yeah.
01:09:53 - You know?
01:09:54 And then obviously you can follow me and Carlos
01:09:57 on Throwdown every Thursday and Sunday night
01:10:00 at 10.30 p.m. Eastern,
01:10:01 where we will be talking about the video games,
01:10:04 you know, like we do every week.
01:10:07 Been a lot of drama in the industry lately
01:10:08 with all these layoffs.
01:10:10 So go check out the last episode.
01:10:12 We got more questions this week.
01:10:14 By the way, I had to,
01:10:16 sometimes I do this,
01:10:17 sometimes the fans don't ask questions
01:10:18 that I would want to talk about.
01:10:19 So I would either have one of us ask the question
01:10:22 or I'll do it, I did this time.
01:10:24 The question that I asked is,
01:10:25 was it tasteless for Jeff Keighley to tweet about GameScent?
01:10:31 You know, when the fucking layoffs were happening?
01:10:33 'Cause I was just very tasteless, you know?
01:10:35 It's like, "Hey guys, this is Smell-O-Vision for gaming."
01:10:38 It's like, "Motherfucking 900 people got laid off,
01:10:40 you don't say nothing?"
01:10:42 You know?
01:10:43 So we're gonna talk about that and more.
01:10:45 And yeah, that's gonna do it for us.
01:10:47 And we will obviously be back in the future
01:10:49 for doing Messiah, spoiler cast.
01:10:51 And March 14th, Invincible Podcast is coming back.
01:10:56 - Oh yeah.
01:10:57 - With many of the same people
01:10:59 that you're seeing here right now.
01:11:01 It's gonna be fun, man.
01:11:02 You already know Invincible, loves me some Invincible.
01:11:05 Can I wait?
01:11:06 So that's March 14th.
01:11:07 So we'll probably do it that weekend of,
01:11:09 Dana, that's on Friday, right?
01:11:10 March 14th, that's when Invincible usually airs.
01:11:12 So yes, we'll be back that weekend,
01:11:14 talk more Invincible, the final four episodes
01:11:16 that we had to wait for because of the writer's strike.
01:11:18 You know?
01:11:19 Writer's strike just affected everything.
01:11:21 'Cause we were like, "Yo, what do you mean only four episodes?"
01:11:24 'Cause nobody was working, bro.
01:11:26 Relax.
01:11:27 Anyway, so another great podcast, a lot of fun.
01:11:31 And go see "Doom."
01:11:32 Yeah, it's so good, so good.
01:11:34 By the way, some asshole on fucking Twitter right now going,
01:11:36 "Why you capping, bro?"
01:11:37 'Cause I'm tweeting about how great the movie is.
01:11:39 Like, man, I'm gonna slap the shit out of you, bro.
01:11:41 I'm capping.
01:11:42 - I had a few of those too.
01:11:44 - Yeah, like, did you see it though?
01:11:47 Yeah, you know they didn't.
01:11:49 - Yeah, yeah.
01:11:51 - Anyway, let me stop rambling.
01:11:52 We'll see you guys next time, later.
01:11:54 - Peace.
01:11:56 I did like "Blade Runner 2049."
01:11:58 - It's a good movie.

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