Street Debate: Are our gender roles outdated?

  • 6 months ago
Should the kitchen be a woman's place? Who should attend to the kids? The 77 Percent asked young Liberians to unpack gender roles and talk about how new dynamics could affect the power balance in relationships.
Transcript
00:00 Hello and welcome back to the 77% Strict Debate. This week we are in Liberia's capital of Monrovia.
00:06 Now you might be familiar with the expression "strong African woman".
00:10 In this country they certainly are, having had a female president in Ellen Sirleaf Johnson.
00:15 But this strength in women is sometimes discouraged when it comes to romantic relationships,
00:20 particularly in the African context. And today we want to find out why.
00:23 Who better to answer this question for me than some Liberians.
00:26 And we're going to start with the couple on the panel. We have a couple, they're so loved up.
00:32 Austin and Chantal, thanks for joining us.
00:34 So let's start with the basic question of your day to day.
00:37 When you wake up in the morning, give me a little clue about who does what in the morning.
00:41 What's your morning routine like? Chantal, you're really smiling, let me start with you.
00:46 Well, thank you. In the morning I wake up around 5, 5 like 5.30 and get my kid ready for school.
00:55 While he's there getting ready for work.
00:58 Okay, so would you say that your domestic responsibilities are sort of equally split between the two of you?
01:03 Yeah, it is.
01:05 Basically, I'm able to wake up early morning and get hot water for the kids.
01:10 I'm able to be bathing the little girl while she is preparing cocoa oats or something.
01:15 So yeah, I think it's good and I enjoy doing it.
01:18 Abraham, where are you?
01:20 I know that you have a biblical name and also an old fashioned stance on the concept of equality in relationships.
01:27 Tell me a little bit about that.
01:28 For me, I come with an African cultural background and there are rules ascribed to men, both men and women.
01:36 I believe that most of the host choices in our African context are the responsibility of the woman, but the man can be of help.
01:47 Let me tell you, I'm laughing because the women behind me are really sighing.
01:51 You started something and I would like you to complete it, please.
01:55 So you started by telling me women's responsibilities in a relationship, a heteronormative one, do all the house chores.
02:02 No, I said most of the host choice is the woman's responsibility.
02:10 So what does the man do then?
02:12 In our Liberian setting, he is the head of the home.
02:15 He's responsible to provide for the home.
02:19 OK, tell me what you're thinking, Nowu.
02:22 Nowu is a feminist and an activist.
02:26 Yes, knowing that Liberia was set on the basis of patriarchy just explains why they're saying these different things.
02:35 But when you look at who set those rules, who gave the responsibilities of a woman taking charge of the home and doing the choices,
02:45 you will know that the men set those rules and which we believe were very biased, right?
02:50 Because women's potential is way beyond just taking care of home.
02:55 I want to hear from some people at the back, right?
02:58 Let me get some reactions. Come closer to me, please.
03:00 I'm a traditionalist.
03:02 Now I stand against the issue of women having equal rights with men in the home.
03:08 And women must be submissive.
03:10 It never used to happen like that.
03:11 The only reason why we have a feminist, we have a woman activist, is because they have acquired education.
03:17 OK, so quick question.
03:19 I'm a woman here who's doing this job of asking questions and moderating.
03:23 I would say I'm independent.
03:24 Does that bother you?
03:26 Yeah. A woman in our African culture must not be independent.
03:30 What if I told you that in my culture, women are actually the heads of the home?
03:35 That's a culture.
03:36 In our culture, in our setting here, in neighbour country, the women are very submissive.
03:41 OK, so let me come back to the couple.
03:43 Oh, they're even holding hands.
03:44 Let me tell you, we are feeling so single today on this set.
03:51 So when you hear some of these assertions, I can imagine that there must also be people in your family who also have hold similar views.
03:59 The community says the ladies should wake up and wash the dishes.
04:04 You, the man, you wake up, just get ready for work and move on, you know, and then you start to follow that.
04:10 I don't get it. Why should you do that?
04:12 So I woke up early morning and what is going to shock people is that the man, you as a man, you benefit a lot if there's equality in the home.
04:23 Your mother comes to visit you and then she sees you washing the dirty clothes.
04:27 She's like, why is my son washing dirty clothes?
04:30 Let me hear from Magdalene for a second, because we haven't spoken to her.
04:32 I just want to investigate this idea of the head of a home, because because no one has talked about partnerships in a contemporary world that we live in today.
04:42 Do we still need that classical head of a home?
04:46 Well, I have no interest in relationship anymore.
04:48 It is because of what I went through when I was in relationship.
04:53 So I had to quit 2019 because I had an abusive partner, overly protective, and he was very abusive.
05:03 So I went through it.
05:05 I held my gun like, King, I have to wake up in the morning and put socks, put boxer and money all behind him.
05:15 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
05:17 I need to understand this.
05:18 What do you mean?
05:19 Put socks, put what?
05:20 Help him dress up in the morning.
05:23 Like a child.
05:24 Of course.
05:25 But I went extra mile in, you know, helping to keep my relationship.
05:31 And I have a question for you.
05:33 As you were treating him as a king, as you're saying, which by the way, absolutely.
05:37 Was he treating you as a queen?
05:40 Well, he was abusive.
05:43 He was really abusive.
05:46 So it has actually made me to lost interest in having relationship.
05:52 And when I see people like, you know, couples and I feel like they're not being true to each other.
06:00 Okay.
06:01 So obviously not all relationships which have that dynamic will end up in abuse.
06:06 Yeah.
06:07 Let's just be clear about that.
06:08 However, it can because there's a power dynamic there that has not been addressed.
06:14 So how do you how do you navigate that?
06:17 So for me, people always put or have a negative connotation when it comes to head of home.
06:27 We're not saying that the woman should be the one to dress you.
06:31 It's not it's not a woman's responsibility to dress you.
06:35 If that is happening, that's abuse.
06:39 Knowing your rules is different from being abused.
06:41 But I'm saying that there are ascribed rules for men and women in a home.
06:47 And I hold that very clearly.
06:49 Okay.
06:50 I mean, that's your position and that's perfectly fine.
06:53 We've had many things, right, including the traditionalist who thinks that women shouldn't even be educated.
06:59 Let me hear from. Oh, I am so afraid to bring the microphone to you.
07:02 But let's hear you. Let's hear your point.
07:04 It's a need that we go back to our tradition.
07:06 Our women were submissive.
07:08 But the Western culture now have changed everything.
07:10 And that is why we are having a debate.
07:12 And that is why you have a feminist.
07:13 And that is why you are educating our women.
07:15 You are spoiling them in the home.
07:18 Okay.
07:19 So let me just.
07:21 Are you working, for example, and you must have female bosses.
07:24 How do you respond to that?
07:27 Having a boss, you know, female is kind of complicated because I really don't see her being submissive.
07:35 Sometimes she just she just responds to men.
07:39 And that is not how it's supposed to be.
07:41 So women being a boss, they can be very abusive to men.
07:45 Oh, OK. I honestly cannot believe that I am hearing these words in 2023.
07:50 But but but but I mean, your your your viewpoint.
07:55 Let me get one last one here.
07:57 When women are in power, when women are educated, when women are learned, the society becomes better.
08:02 Because, come on, we carry children in our wombs for nine months, which is huge.
08:06 So we understand relationship because we bond with them for nine months.
08:10 When they come outside, they will bond with them.
08:12 Even their husband in the womb, we sometimes take care of them as babies.
08:16 They are outside as bosses.
08:18 But when they come home, they are babies.
08:19 Men should support women.
08:21 Then we can be able to make their home and society better.
08:24 All right. Normally, at this point of the debate, I would be asking people for solutions.
08:29 But after hearing all the diverse opinions, I'm not sure that there is such a thing as solutions.
08:34 We started with a couple. I'd like to end with them.
08:36 We've had so many viewpoints here.
08:39 Do you think that the kind of relationship that the two of you have, which some people might see as aspirational, is under threat?
08:46 When you woke up in the morning as a man getting ready for work, when you stand before that mirror, just see a human being.
08:53 When you see your wife, see a human being, treat her that way.
08:57 Men, you are going to be happy if you bring the woman to that equal point.
09:02 You are going to be happy because we are just equal.
09:05 We have disagreements on ideas.
09:08 Who should win or who is the head?
09:11 It depends on the idea that we are pushing.
09:13 Whoever pushes the better idea, we go by that.
09:15 All right.
09:16 I think it's going to be good for all of us.
09:17 Thank you. That is a beautiful place to wrap this debate.
09:20 We have heard some very controversial remarks today.
09:23 But also, what a nice way to wrap it up.
09:25 Think first and foremost of your partner as human.
09:29 Thank you guys for watching.

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