The Push: Woman’s last moments before being pushed her to death off Arthur’s SeatThe Push: Murder on the Cliff, Channel 4
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00:00 We're going to start with item 31, Waverley Station.
00:05 Now, paused it, and you see two people at Waverley Station,
00:11 steps leading down into the station, is that correct?
00:14 That's correct, yeah. And who are they?
00:16 That is Kashif Anwar and that is Fawzia Shabab.
00:27 Does Mr Anwar appear to have something in his hand?
00:31 It appears to be something similar to a mobile phone, yes.
00:34 Right.
00:35 Again, does Mr Anwar appear to have something in his hand?
00:45 Yes, it appears to be a mobile phone again.
00:48 OK.
00:49 Would it be fair to say, within a sequence of really a few minutes,
00:55 the device or whatever it is has been accessed on several occasions?
00:59 Yes.
01:00 Right, thank you very much.
01:02 Mr Dugood?
01:04 The footage we've been looking at so far has depicted the two people
01:13 walking arm in arm. Have I picked that up correctly?
01:18 It would appear to be, yes. OK.
01:20 Almost all the way, they are closely in each other's company,
01:25 physically close to each other.
01:27 Certainly arm in arm for a little bit.
01:29 Now, when it got to the point of being outside the Parliament,
01:37 the lady had the telephone because she so obviously
01:40 was taking some photographs herself, is that right?
01:43 Yes.
01:44 And as she walked off to join him, she has the phone.
01:48 Yes. Is that right?
01:50 So it looked as if she had caught up with him, put her arm into his arm
01:56 and then taken her arm out of his arm and done something.
02:00 Do you know if she was putting her phone in her bag?
02:03 She might have been, I don't know.
02:05 I can't really tell from that, to be honest.
02:08 Does that mean that you weren't really looking at it that closely?
02:11 No, I'm looking at it closely, but it's hard to tell from a distance.
02:15 Please don't think I'm trying to criticise you.
02:18 I'm just asking you about the detail here.
02:20 You were asked a number of questions about his having the phone,
02:23 but she quite obviously ends up with the phone
02:25 outside the Parliament building.
02:27 She certainly does at the front, but I cannot tell from there
02:30 what she does with the phone there. I could never say for certain.
02:33 The last person who's noticeably got the phone is the lady herself.
02:38 Is that correct? That's what I saw, yeah.
02:40 Thank you very much.
02:43 Once they leave the Scottish Parliament,
02:46 there's no CCTV cover of the route that they took.
02:50 So consequently, there's no evidence at all of how they were
02:56 as they ascended Arthur's seat.
02:58 as they ascended Arthur's seat.