"Kisi satah par bhi nahi lag raha ke dhandli par koi karwai horahi hai," Salman Akram Raja
"Kisi satah par bhi nahi lag raha ke dhandli par koi karwai horahi hai," Salman Akram Raja
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00:00 a worker should be the governor?
00:02 This is the decision of the party,
00:04 the party should decide, I think.
00:06 Earlier workers were formed,
00:08 Laseed Khosla was a party worker,
00:10 Ahmed Mahmood is a party leader.
00:12 He is not a worker.
00:14 Workers are of all classes in parties,
00:16 all classes have to be taken along.
00:18 Big classes have to be taken along.
00:20 No comments.
00:22 You know this is my favorite topic,
00:24 but for now, no comments.
00:26 Sir, have you been
00:28 a member of the cabinet?
00:30 No, no.
00:32 The decision of the CEC
00:34 is a big one.
00:36 I cannot say when or how,
00:38 but the CEC decision
00:40 was under a lot of pressure
00:42 from many people
00:44 to be a member of the government.
00:46 But Mr. Blahul said
00:48 that the CEC decision
00:50 includes Mr. Zardari and all the people.
00:52 And you did not want to form a government with him.
00:54 What was the point of having so many speeches
00:56 that you did not want to form a government with him?
00:58 We did not form a government.
01:00 We are supporting him.
01:02 Look, Kashyap bhai,
01:04 you have used two words,
01:06 one is the 'mandar' of the 'mandar band',
01:08 and the other is the 'bandar' of the 'bandar'.
01:10 And the other one is the 'bandar' of the 'bandar'.
01:12 I want to answer both of these topics.
01:14 The public vote is given to the 'bandar' only.
01:16 Imran Khan is also a 'bandar'
01:18 according to his age.
01:20 And Mian Sahibaan is also a 'bandar'
01:22 according to his age.
01:24 So, he has made Maryam the Chief Minister
01:26 and Mr. Blahul has emerged as the new leader.
01:28 So, I think the leadership of the youth
01:30 is slowly coming up.
01:32 And ultimately,
01:34 the nature of the Babas is a natural process.
01:36 Not everyone has realized this.
01:38 But you do not want to form a government with him.
01:40 You say that you want to address this issue.
01:42 What option do we have?
01:44 You tell me the option.
01:46 People should have faith in you.
01:48 Our trust in politics is not over.
01:50 You say something else in elections.
01:52 You say something else in campaigns.
01:54 You say something else in elections.
01:56 I would like to address this point of yours.
01:58 What option do we have?
02:00 No one has a majority.
02:02 Only two people should have a majority.
02:04 Only two people should have a majority.
02:06 And if the PTI people's door is closed
02:08 to the political dialogue,
02:10 then the door of the political dialogue
02:12 is only open to the Noon League
02:14 or the PO party.
02:16 Then we will have to talk to these parties
02:18 who want to talk about the political dialogue.
02:20 Those who do not believe in the political dialogue
02:22 or do not want to do it,
02:24 what can we say about them?
02:26 So tell me the option.
02:28 What was the other option?
02:30 We were the critics.
02:32 But we really did not see any option.
02:34 So you are saying that there is no way.
02:36 See, the people did not just play elections.
02:38 The people also want delivery.
02:40 The government wants good.
02:42 The people want our problems to come.
02:44 I come to the challenges of this.
02:46 You also understand that someone has to make it.
02:48 If he is not making one,
02:50 but ...
02:52 Salman sir said political dialogue.
02:54 Is there any thought of political dialogue
02:56 in the PTI that
02:58 dialogue will have to be done now?
03:00 Politicians will have to make their allies.
03:02 Somewhere you are not sitting with them at all.
03:04 Disagree with the policies at all.
03:06 But engagement cannot be left.
03:08 Has this thought changed or
03:10 has this thought not changed now?
03:12 No, absolutely engagement is happening.
03:16 It is not that there is no engagement.
03:18 But we have a fundamental position
03:20 that a very big deal has happened.
03:22 Our vote has been stolen.
03:24 Our seats have been stolen.
03:26 And these two parties have been stolen.
03:28 Or some MPMs have been given in Karachi.
03:30 So we want this matter to be
03:32 covered with transparency.
03:34 That there should be a commission,
03:36 an inquiry.
03:38 What has happened so far in the last 14 days
03:40 is extremely disappointing.
03:42 We have gone to the election commission.
03:44 And especially it is happening.
03:46 No big decision has come from the election commission
03:48 so far, which shows that
03:50 an investigation is to be done
03:52 at any level.
03:54 So until this thing does not happen,
03:56 this other discussion
03:58 becomes meaningless.
04:00 Our position will have to be returned.
04:02 But we are discussing.
04:04 We have discussed with the
04:06 Jamiat-e-Ulma-e-Islam.
04:08 We have discussed with the Sunni-Itihad.
04:10 I think, I will tell you one thing.
04:12 I have my own analysis.
04:14 I thought maybe we should discuss with Noon.
04:16 Maybe with PP.
04:18 Maybe we should not discuss with Maulana.
04:20 But we have discussed with Maulana.
04:22 So we do not have the intention
04:24 to discuss with the other two parties.
04:26 No, we have the intention to discuss with everyone.
04:28 But we will discuss on some basis.
04:30 So it cannot be that we say
04:32 leave this.
04:34 Leave the trust of people
04:36 on us, on our vote.
04:38 Bury it.
04:40 And start playing further.
04:42 This cannot happen.
04:44 This is such a situation
04:46 in 2024, that if we do not
04:48 bury it, then every election
04:50 will become meaningless.
04:52 If you have to write the results
04:54 of the election in a room and publish it
04:56 and whatever happens to the vote of the people,
04:58 then what will be the trust of anyone on the election?
05:00 This is a very fundamental matter.
05:02 In my opinion, this is a very big situation
05:04 which has taken shape.
05:06 We cannot move forward by ignoring it.
05:08 Okay, Mr. Musaddiq.
05:10 This is the biggest political crisis
05:12 that will be faced by you
05:14 when your government is formed.
05:16 How do you intend to deal with this crisis?
05:18 How can you deal with this?
05:20 A new government.
05:22 How will you deal with this crisis?
05:24 I am sorry,
05:26 I could not hear you in the studio
05:28 so I could not listen to your program.
05:30 I do not know what crisis you are talking about.
05:32 I will tell you briefly.
05:34 I have heard the last words of Mr. Salman Raja.
05:36 Mr. Salman Raja believes
05:38 that until the elections
05:40 in which the allegations of corruption
05:42 are put, it will not be right
05:44 how to move forward.
05:46 This is a big political crisis
05:48 which many parties will pose to you.
05:50 How will you deal with this?
05:52 This is absolutely right.
05:54 We were talking about this in 2018.
05:56 The government was in force for 4-4.5 years.
05:58 We kept saying that
06:00 in the 2018 elections
06:02 when there is no credibility in the elections,
06:04 when the results are announced
06:06 in the morning,
06:08 how will the government run?
06:10 I guess, just like it was in 2018,
06:12 it will run in 2024.
06:14 There was a crisis in 2018,
06:16 there is a crisis in 2024.
06:18 The only way to deal with this
06:20 is to correct the election process.
06:22 I think that
06:24 our priority will be
06:26 instead of
06:28 talking about electronic voting machines.
06:30 Today, there were electronic voting machines.
06:32 There were no Form 47, 42, 43, 49.
06:34 None of them were there.
06:36 And whatever result came out of the machine
06:38 was the result.
06:40 And this is what we were saying
06:42 that a country where there is corruption,
06:44 where the whole history is filled
06:46 with results, every person is worried.
06:48 In this day and age,
06:50 the result of the election
06:52 should not come all night,
06:54 whether it is 2018 or 2024, there is no excuse for that.
06:56 So, I think, to get out of this crisis,
06:58 first of all, we will join hands with the opposition.
07:00 We will sit with the opposition,
07:02 we will sit with the religious communities
07:04 and we will straighten out this process.
07:06 Because if this process is not straightened out,
07:08 then, as Javed Lateef
07:10 said in your program,
07:12 that this is injustice with me.
07:14 Or I have many friends
07:16 who are on GT road.
07:18 We never lost Gujranwala, Gujranwala lost.
07:20 We never lost Faisalabad, Faisalabad lost.
07:22 The people who have lost,
07:24 the claim of the people is that
07:26 with them, yes, I am saying the same thing,
07:28 but the belt of GT road,
07:30 in which we always win,
07:32 if we are losing there,
07:34 and Rana Sanaullah is also losing,
07:36 Khurram Dastagir Khan is also losing,
07:38 and Khwaja Saad Rafiq is also losing,
07:40 Javed Lateef is also losing,
07:42 and there are many leaders,
07:44 Murtaza Javed Abbasi is also losing,
07:46 then this will continue like this.
07:48 We will say, look, this is very unjust,
07:50 Raja Sahib is saying,
07:52 it is very unjust.
07:54 So, all these things,
07:56 until we do not do it right,
07:58 a credible election method,
08:00 a R.S. Mill will not be set,
08:02 till then it will continue like this.