Singer Anuradha Paudwal, in an exclusive interview with Bharati S Pradhan for Lehren Retro, discusses her recent performance at Ram Mandir Pran Pratishtha. She delves into her divine experiences with Ram Lalla, shares insights on her life, and reflects on Gulshan Kumar. Join the Melody Queen for this insightful conversation about her experiences.
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00:00 Ram Lala ka chehra came on the screen the first shot it was like everybody started crying
00:09 today everybody wants to be in the camera look at this one come camera he has to be
00:15 here otherwise he's not with me people ask me apne kitne gaane gaya hai my answer is
00:20 kitne aapko yaad hai because number ka kya karenge achha apne itne gaya hai aise bola
00:30 toh I always looked at T-series ki I told Vaishno Devi I said look T-series for me is
00:38 Vaishno Devi ki company I never forget that
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01:30 Anuradha ji namaskar. Namaste. And I should say Jai Shri Ram because you just come back.
01:35 You just come back. You just come back from the Ram Mandir. So what was it like?
01:41 Wow! It was a ethereal experience just simply out of this world and it is absolutely fascinating
01:51 when I think that you know that a struggle which has been going on for more than 500 years
02:00 should culminate and we should be a witness to it and more than a witness
02:08 I am just really really superlatively blessed that me and my daughter could have got a chance to sing
02:17 at that at the Pran Prathishta. There is something like that I mean when I think of how many crores of people
02:26 there are who sing in India and that we should be invited to sing you know specially on that day.
02:36 It was absolutely an experience that you can't forget.
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03:02 Was it for you personally a very upsetting moment? Absolutely and there is a reason for that
03:09 because 20 years back when you know the murti was behind like it was kept behind bars
03:20 and sakhal laga ke in chains so that it shouldn't be stolen and it was in a tent
03:27 and like I was not aware of that and when I had a program there the Ramlila program
03:36 so when I went there and with a lot of enthusiasm I said you know arey ayodhya hai so let me go and see
03:43 Ram ji ka darshan karne do and I went inside I was horrified to see the state in which Ramlila was
03:52 I was just in tears I said you know it just hit me so hard that in a place like India
04:00 Hindustan bhi Ramlila ki yeh halat hai that decent temple bhi nahi hai unke liye so I was in tears
04:07 and it just stayed with me and then in the evening in the program I said and I told Ramlila
04:14 when I was in the temple I said look I am eagerly waiting for you to come out and have a bhavya mandir
04:23 aapke naam ka ho and which will be the pride of the entire nation and the day that happens
04:30 I will come and sing for you. Acha aapne kaha 20 saal pehle. So I mean emotional outburst hota hai na
04:37 us tarah se so I said I will come and sing for you and then phir toh of course the rest is history ki
04:44 kis saare se na temple bana and then of course invitations were you know personally given with
04:56 Akshata and that was a very very emotional moment that itself because especially in Maharashtrians
05:05 we give Akshata only to very very people who are very respected or very close to us for a
05:15 occasion which jaise humare ghar mein kisi ka agar mangal karya ho raha hai toh hum kisi ko
05:22 invite karne ke liye you don't give it to just anybody and everybody no you give it to somebody
05:28 who is very very close. Toh ghar jaake unko Akshata deke haldi kumkum lagaake Akshata deke
05:35 bulaate ki ne aapko zarur aana hai. You know so it's that personal touch which is meant for
05:42 very very special people but that is what I think I mean whoever's brainchild it was to give
05:50 Akshata to about 5 crore people it's not a joke you know even thinking about it but everybody
05:57 did that with such enthusiasm and I think that is what brought people together.
06:04 Anyway the invitation was given and the RSS people came they invited us and gave us the
06:12 invitation and then I generally asked them so they were saying ki ne sibhraan pratishtha
06:19 ki Modi ji aayenge saints sabhi you know from all walks of life logon ko bulaaya waqere.
06:27 Toh there was no mention of any program or anything like that. So mene fir apne mere
06:36 mann mein aaya doosre din I said Ramleela I know I have promised you ki aapki jab sthapna
06:42 hogi toh main gaungi but you know jaise abhi government ka hai ne government has arranged
06:49 the program toh unka protocol jo bhi hoga fir RSS walon ka unka protocol kya hoga they
06:56 have their own agenda. So I said my promise stands lekin wo gaana mere se gawana wo aapke
07:03 haath mein hai. You know to keep my promise let me keep my promises in your hands and
07:10 you will not believe Bharti this is when I was praying in the morning in the afternoon
07:16 I got a call from Gauri from Times she said when Mr. Yatindra wants to contact you shall
07:24 I give him your telephone number I said of course and then Yatindra ji called me in the
07:31 evening immediately he said Anuradhi ji I am the son of the prince of the king of Ayodhya
07:39 aur hum chahte hain ki pran pratishta ke waqt aap 5 minute gaayein I was in tears I just
07:49 burst into tears and I mean you know of course main gaungi ye bhi bol paana it was so difficult
07:59 because you know something that was only between you and Ramji yes absolutely and I said you
08:06 know because everybody because I am a singer so jin ko main bola tha ki haan main jaa rahi
08:11 hoon Ayodhya to unha bola hai ki fir tumhara program bhi hai kya tumhara program bhi hai
08:15 kya to naturally poochte hai so I said main waha se aake bataungi main waha kya kya kiya
08:21 bola hai aaja ok just a jab laga hai you don't know but this was the last thing I mean I
08:27 was not even aware ki aaj bhi matlab Ayodhya mein king hai waha pe and I was I didn't know
08:38 how to react and I immediately I told my daughter I said SSA hai and then just three days before
08:45 I had because I have started working on the works of Shankaracharya yes I started doing
08:53 recording Shankaracharya ki jitni bhi stutiya hai jaise Soundarya Lahiri hai ya Mahishasur
09:01 Madini Sutra hai Bhaja Govindam hai to I said since Ramlila ka mandir bandh rahe hai why
09:06 not record something which Adi Shankaracharya has written on Ram so that was the Ram Bhujang
09:13 Sutra yes and I had gone to Vedan Bharti where I had heard the disciples of Swamiji
09:21 singing and it was it is such a beautiful composition very simple but you know it goes
09:29 straight to the heart bahot achcha laga tha mujhe so I said why not record that
09:34 Maharatna peethe shubhe kalpamune
09:39 Sukha se namaditya koti prakasham
09:44 Sada Janaki Lakshmano pe tamikam
09:49 Sada Ram Chandram bhaje hum bhaje hum
09:55 and wo maine record just record kiya tha to fir maine Yatendra bhai ko poocha maine
10:03 ka bhaiya he said chaar logon ko humne contact kiya hai ek hai Shankar Mahadevan ek Asha
10:11 ji hai aur ek Sonu Nigam aur ek aap hai to I said do you have any idea ki wo log kya
10:17 gaayenge because in all probability what I thought was they would sing Shri Ram Chandra
10:23 Kapal bhaje hum hai na aur Mangal Bhawana Mangal Hari because that is most popular
10:28 so I said I don't want my song to clash you know ki main wohi gaana gaau I don't want
10:35 like that to maine ka maine abhi parso kuch record kiya hai aap ek baar sun ke will you
10:40 get back to me he heard he said pat isi ko gaana hai aapko lovely Ram Bhujang and especially
10:47 since it was written by Adi Shankaracharya so uska ek alag mehta hota hai and then I
10:54 was absolutely in tears and all the time you know rongte khade hote rahate hai ki yeh
11:02 kaise matla how the developments waghare kaise hua hai and then we went there and there
11:10 was a huge orchestra there of course they were playing and that was a unique idea really
11:16 and Yatinder ji is also great great music person matlab haan bahot jaante hai wo uske
11:24 baare mein and takes a very keen interest in everything matlab he is a real artist
11:30 to unhone kya kya the ki har state me se jo jo particular instrument jo bajate sabko
11:39 bulaye tha alag alag state me se so that was the beauty of it har state ka jo particular
11:48 instrument hai and then of course Vaishnojantho bhi baj raha tha Raghupati Raghav bhi baj
11:55 raha tha but all of them were playing so they said ki aap chaar gane wale hai and then
12:00 I think Malini Avasthi was from there to he said ki baaki sab everything is going to be
12:07 instrumental to then yes very very close to the muhurat you know Kavita and me sang that
12:21 yes so it was like a dream come true dream matlab its more than a dream also you know
12:28 like ki its a very different feeling when something which you have not even mentioned
12:35 to a third person nobody I had never mentioned it you know it was just between Ramlala jab
12:42 uswaq mera jo outburst hua tha to uswaq mene unko bola tha and then I said ki I cant be
12:48 going and you know telling B M I have told Ramlala to keep my program correct and nor
12:55 could I tell anyone it was impractical so I said my promise stands how much to respect
13:05 it is up to you and I get a call from a person I just told him I said Bhaiya I am going to
13:14 be indebted to you for my entire life you know and it was one of that moment when you
13:20 feel achha shayad mera janam matlab I came to this world only for this moment yeh karni
13:26 ke liye you know matlab everything that you have been doing has been building up everything
13:31 everything choti choti choti choti baate and then I realized ki yeh toh this is my part
13:38 of the story matlab jo what was applicable to me meri bhavna but I am sure ki every even
13:47 a simple mason bhi tha maa pe jo kaam karne wala tha patthoron ko sculpt karne wala tha
13:53 each and every person iska itna chota chota chota chota chota yogdan to tha hi you know
13:59 so it was like 500 years Ramlala was or the universe was waiting for all of us to come
14:08 together you know because har ek ko kuch na kuch toh matlab kuch na kuch toh operating
14:16 kuch bhi thi whatever it was you know so it was matlab jab sab ke grahe ikatthe aake sab
14:25 log ikatthe jaha pe aake wo hua toh you know so and another beautiful thing that I saw
14:34 that day what I felt that day was ki ek hota hai ki kuch log krishan ke pujari hai and
14:44 kuch log shivji ke pujari hai kuch ganesh ji ke hum toh mata ko maante hai sabhi sabko
14:49 maante hai lekin ultimate Ram Ram that's right you know matlab he was even above religion
14:58 that's right he was above religion he was more of a cultural ambassador that's right
15:05 matlab ek yug purush ko kehte hai cultural jo sabko ikatthe laata hai you worship anybody
15:13 but he is the one you know wo feeling jo aaye hai usse sabhi log whether wo sanyasi thi
15:22 whether it was amitabh bachchan it was madhuri deekshi it was matlab kisi may be virat kohli
15:29 the ya hum log the ya kuch jo unka uske pehle sab celebrities waghar the you know till
15:38 the third time Ram Lala ka chehra came on the screen the first shot it was like everybody
15:48 started crying some people became hysterical some people they we could talk people were
15:54 asking ke aapko kya lag don't ask choked with emotion we were actually choked and phir
16:01 everybody went into oblivion there was no celebrity nobody was a celebrity ek hi tha
16:09 ek Ram Lala hi tha ek hi tha you know matlab jaise ek hota hai na koi generally hum dekhte
16:16 hai koi functions mein jate hai waghar hai to usme celebrities waghar hai to unka thoda
16:22 yo euphoria rehta hai waghar hai for everybody to feel the same each and everyone to feel
16:30 the same unke beyond kuch nahi so it was a matlab it was the atmosphere was something
16:37 you never experienced before it was electrifying and spiritually uplifting spiritually uplifting
16:45 culturally uplifting and very personally bharti and I am sure trillions will agree
16:55 with me you know koi aisa laga mujhe ki koi cheez hum logon mein jo thodi halki si adhoori
17:04 na wo complete ho gayi acha aisa laga yes yes absolutely matlab jaise humne kahi baar
17:17 padha hai ya suna hai garb se kaho hum hindu hai hai na to kahi pe bhi jate the to ek fraction
17:28 of a second bhi sochthe the ki boolna chahiye hai boolne zarurathe nahi to abhi hai hoga
17:35 kyu nahi of course hume hindu hone ka garb hai you know that kind of a thing you dont
17:41 hesitate anymore no you dont hesitate aur ye it was like that murti was unveiled aur
17:49 it was ki unka aura puri universe mein phel gaya not ki khani jo udhar bethe we the and
17:57 I dont think ki there is a single temple in the entire universe jiske liye logon ke aise
18:05 aankhe lagi hui hai ki ye ho raha hai life rakshay pan hua you tell me one temple in
18:11 the world it is something puri duniya ki nazre lagi hui hai duniya ki nazre even jo matlab
18:21 aur bhi matlab jaise you know koi German hoga French hoga wo bhi dekh rahe hai ki suna
18:28 hai ki aise yeh kuch ho raha hai kya ho raha hai yeh to dekhe you know
18:33 so that was the kind of aura that he commanded and it was just absolutely phenomenal another
18:49 thing that which was really really commendable of course bahut logon ka isme yogdan gaya
18:56 hai hats off to them wahan ki vyavastha was world class it was absolutely world class
19:04 considering how many people came there was no chaos no chaos matlab at all kitna well
19:13 managed you were invited and you went properly there was no chaos you knew where to go
19:19 bilkul bhi nahi taal SS wale ko unko bhole tha acha unhone bhiya mujhe to matlab tension
19:27 thi ki raat ko hum log 12 wajah paunchenge to kahan dhundh lenge kisko correct you know
19:33 to ek shher to fir bhi pata hai aayodhya mein abhi tak to waise hotel wagah to hai nahi
19:39 to maine unko puch RSS ke Ajay ji karke the to unko bhiya please kam se kam mujhe address
19:44 to bata do driver ko bolna hai gadi kahan leke aani hai you know bole tai aap jab Lucknow
19:49 se niklenge na mujhe phone kariye I said that is too close that is just too close you know
19:56 and then I asked him about 6-7 times ki mujhe address dijiye nahi nahi aapki vyavastha
20:05 ho gayi captain se hi aapki vyavastha ho gayi hai aap maa se niklenge to aap bata hai to
20:09 humko aapko bataatein phir then other people were asking mummy kahan ja rahe hain hum log
20:14 kahan ja rahe hain abhi mat puch ho jisne bulaya hai na ho sakta ki apne bagal mein mujhe
20:21 rakhna chah rahe hain matlab Ram ji you won't believe it quarter to twelve at night we
20:26 did aayodhya mein jaake these people gave us a room in the ashram the one which was closest
20:33 to the temple wow matlab almost matlab you know jaise aise pakad letein you know bache
20:41 ko ya apne ko so matlab that wall of the Ram mandir par human jo ashram tha wo wall ek
20:50 thi ek hi ok so on the other side was the temple and here you live so you know these
20:57 kind of experiences ki hum kabhi aise bolte hain and it just brings you closer to matlab
21:06 bolne wale isko coincidence bhi bol sakte but nahi its not like that
21:12 your whole life because you were from what i remember you were so popular as a playback
21:19 singer lekin baki logon ne bhi kiya hai matlab devotional music sabne kiya hai lata ji ne
21:27 kiya hai sabne kiya hai but you at the peak of your popularity as a playback singer yes
21:34 at that time you was you had started making devotional albums the reason is because the
21:45 reason was you know when i was i just started singing and Rafi sahab was there kishoda ke
21:54 saath duets hote the Rafi sahab ke saath Mukesh ji ke saath duets hote the to each one every
22:03 artist has to go through this because its age and its human its hardwares ka sharir
22:10 hai to it goes through a hota hai you know changes hote hain aur first thing that it
22:19 thoda sa farak padta hai to voice pe farak padta hai ya whatever you know but it doesnt
22:25 mean that you forget the trillions of songs that somebody has sung aur nahi nahi yeh
22:30 kuch aaj kal kuch hai you know i happened to hear that about a very very established
22:37 singer duet ga ke i was leaving mehboob studio mein toh kuch log bhaar khade the jinko music
22:46 ka waise bhi akad hai nahi because jisko aata hai wo aise kabhi baat hai bol hi nahi kya
22:52 hai but that was you know i was very young and at that time it just hit me ki aur yeh
22:59 how can they make such a comment on such a senior singer and what about jo unhone gaah
23:05 ke bhandar rakha hai uske ware mein kya and us waqt i made up my mind ki bhagwan ji aap
23:12 jab mein number one pe leke jaoge na toh aapka naam lungi uske baad really yes so thats how
23:19 your devotional albums came about toh uske baad toh chalte re chalte re then i happened
23:25 to Dakshineshwar and it was about 12 years and Hero was a very very big hit and naturally
23:33 uske pehle toh like i never really ki mujhe baad gaane milne chahiye because i come from
23:39 a academically you know sound family so my father was never he said why do you want to
23:47 sing achha doctor bano yeh bano bano achhe ladki ghar ki ladkiya nahi gati hai and all
23:54 that aap alka nad kar ki ki taan hai and my father was not very keen in fact dukhi the
24:00 wo ki matlab he said ki nahi nahi film industry bhakar is not the place for you but leke hote
24:07 gaye matlab ek ke baad ek ke baad gaane hote gaye and it was 12 years and then Hero ka
24:16 jab gaana really became a big hit that was the only time i think in my life jo mujhe
24:22 laga ke mujhe aur achhe gaane milne chahiye that was the only time that was iconic tu
24:29 mera jaanu hai and that was the only time and then uske baad toh then started the era
24:36 of all multi star cast films toh usme 4, 5, 6 singers hote the hare ko aadi aadi line
24:44 ek ek line aisa hi chala saara then we approached Ponydor Music India ki mujhe ek album karna
24:54 hai toh i would like to do something in devotional he said nahi nahi market mein pata ki aapka
24:59 koi market nahi hai devotional ka toh okay toh aapko koi geet karo i said look either
25:06 it is matlab usko koi ek hona chahiye geet matlab you can't really usko place nahi kar
25:12 sakte anyway then at that time i happened to go to Dakshineshwar temple and i was sitting
25:17 there and maa ke puja lene ka aake unho raha hai ek maa ka bhajan sunao and it just hit
25:27 me ki 12 years i have been singing itna itni matlab barkat di hai and so much success she
25:35 has given me but mata ka mere pas ek bhi karna i didn't know aata hi nahi tha i said i am
25:44 so sorry what have i done matlab aise kaise hua you know it didn't even occur to me i
25:53 said maa mujhe jitne mandir hai unho sab ke saath jod de mujhe aaj aashirvaad dena jitne
26:02 mandir hai unho sab pe main gaun sab ke saath jod dena aur mujhe i don't want to leave
26:08 the industry when you know ki main aada line karo ek not like that number one karna main
26:16 apne haath se aapko harpan kar dungi and i will shift to devotional so then when hero
26:26 and all that started happening matlab hero nahi hero nahi hero ke baad aashiqui dile
26:33 ke manthani sadak saati like in i think about 18 months or so there were about 10 films
26:39 jiske das dat gane wo sare hit hai and jo karte the wo hit tha matlab shivarathna wo
26:46 hit mamta ka mandir wo hit manache shlok wo hit ram bhajan wo hit gajal aashiyam with
26:52 pankaj ji wo hit jo karo na to wo hit you know aur uswaq when it was when i was at the
27:01 peak then i said ok thank you very much now i am happy and you started doing your devotional
27:08 basically yes exactly par uske baad phir devotional na jaise poori bhagwat geeta saptashati in
27:15 three languages marathi, hindi, sanskrit, gujarati did gulshan ji encourage you in
27:22 this because you t series gulshan ji you were the people who gave devotional music that
27:28 kind of platform he was always encouraging for anything because he had that knack to
27:34 understand you know ki yeh correct cheez ho rahi hai because he was also commercial man
27:40 he was commercial but he had to be na but he understood ki devotional music ka of course
27:47 because when i entered t series jo maine saptashati ki uske baad manache shlok that was a instant
27:54 hit instant hit manache shlok jab aapne shuru kiya they allowed you to do it?
28:02 I entered with durga saptashati na ok alright and that was such a big hit yes matlab uske
28:11 baad jo jo jaise tulsi bhajan phir krishna bhajan hua to matlab lion se to devotional
28:17 hi huye kyuki wo concept nahi tha correct and then like and this saptashati i had done
28:27 with babu ji that's gulshan ji's father oh really?
28:33 first 4-5 albums i did with him then gulshan ji came on the scene oh ok you know and then
28:40 they decided to make because they had just entered the industry so they decided to make
28:46 a film and it was called mamata ka mandir now he had a of course the world knows his
28:57 love for mata vaishna devi so for him mamata ka mandir was mata like mata mother means
29:06 mata so he was he approached miss directors ki aisa aisa karna hai to to aisa aapko super
29:17 hit gaana de denge na matlab duniya hila ke rak denge and he said ki sunna chahata tha he
29:25 said nahi nahi aap aap ke khaar wahi pe sunna to maza aajayega unfortunately or fortunately
29:32 that was a time of double meaning songs oh when he came he went there this is 70s 80s
29:41 haan to 89 and he went there the song was main raat bar soyi mere pair dabate rahi
29:50 teri maa mere raat bar soyi pankha dete rahi teri maa you know he said what is this i mean
30:03 the music writer unke isaab se woh theek the unko hit gaana dena tha chali raha tha woh
30:09 ye vaishnav maa ko maa dimaan mein leke gaye the to he was very upset aur moorat to hum
30:15 log sab pahunch gaye the waha pe to he was like furious ki yeh kya hai you know ki matlab
30:22 mai vaishnav hai aur mere film mein yeh gaana aaye that was the time i had i said gulshan
30:31 ji aap then he was you know he was very angry to he said ki yeh hum log koi matlab ek gaane
30:42 ke upar wagare itna woh nahi matlab you know paisa matlab its not so important for us as
30:52 a song ok but he said ki hum log main hai cassette bechna because yes that was your
31:02 main haan jisme ek lakh cassette ek din mein hoti hai to humko woh bechna hai to bikne
31:08 ke liye humko gaane dalne padte hai aur humare upar vangata vaishnavi ki itni kripa hai hum
31:15 jo dalte ho bikta hai so i said yeh achi baat hai because that time they were doing a lot
31:22 of versions cover versions hum log jo bhi dalte ho bikta hai i said agar vaishnavi ki kripa
31:30 hai gulshan ji aur aap jo karte bikta hai to achha daalo na usme bikna hai na you can
31:39 take a chance you can take a risk give it a shot achha matlab kya nahi daali hai na nahi
31:47 gaane daali hai give me a chance let me work upon an album jo gaane aap versions dalte
31:56 hai na ussi mood ke ussi character ke gaane nahi bana ke daalenge na to kaun karega i
32:03 said if you trust me ek lakh rupai bhi itni huge amount hai that you cant trust me with
32:10 it so he told sushil ji i mean let her do it i went to anand milen i said bhi aaye karne
32:18 situation kya hai koi hero heroine nahi hai situation wohi hai jo aaj se 40 sal se chali
32:25 aaye hain 50 sal se wohi situation hai ladka ladki mile ladka ladki bichad gaye mele me
32:32 mele me bichad gaye ye toh hota hai sad song that is how laal dupatta got made yes because
32:42 i remember that was the first album made without a film haan aur uske baad film kyu baniye
32:49 uske baad then he said kabhi isko popular it become a instant hit he said no abhi ye
32:55 gaane chhaya geet mein chalana chahiye now chhaya geet mein jab tak film ka registration
33:00 nahi hai you need film isliye unhone ek team li thi ladka ladki aur unke upar gaane picturise
33:07 kiye the he said nahi jab tak you dont have a certificate of a film tab tak chhaya geet
33:13 mein nahi chalayega he said what so difficult matla you know jiska passion hota hai usme
33:19 he said ki 60 minute ka toh already aapke paas shoot kiya hua material hai gaano ka bich
33:26 bich pe thoda thoda karke story bana do aur just woh thappa lagge ki film hai karke woh
33:32 film bani and then that was the first time that song was made and i remember music writer
33:39 asking me yeh kya hai yeh gaana hai film hai jo bhi hai achha hai gaana so that is how
33:46 it started so that is how it started so he was very encouraging matla agar kuch achhi
33:52 idea agar hai aur kuch click hota hai toh he was he really went out of his way to support
33:58 whether it was music directors or you know asia and then when i said ki nahi abhi gulshan
34:07 ki manao i will turn to devotionals he was horrified he said i have worked like nothing
34:16 you know to matla itni mehnat ki ki you know usko promote ho gaye hai i said nahi par wohi
34:22 toh bhi bola hua tha ki number one hone ke baad then i will dedicate myself to devotional
34:29 but as luck would have it unka bhi devotional suddenly pick up over north india me toh devotional
34:39 and they had vcd tha unke paas toh woh picturize waghare ho ke na toh everything supported
34:48 it that's right everything supported ya ya ya ya absolutely tailor made tha woh i think
34:54 he was also a shiv bhakta na great shiv bhakta shiv bhakta hai aur woh vaishno devi me toh
35:01 unhone woh prashad woh toh abhi bhi chal raha hai woh toh abhi bhi chal raha hai but he
35:05 started it but he started it yes yes toh he was a great 70s 80s me shuru kiya toh unhone
35:11 ya must be he was a great shiv bhakta in fact jab guzar gaye bhi woh shiv mandir me hi gaye
35:21 the na shiv mandir me hai so that was a huge huge thing
35:28 you were married also to a musician na i mean after all arun arun ji of course i knew him
35:37 ya ya of course and he was such a good musician mujhe abhi bhi yaad hai that oh krishna
35:45 yes that was yes yes but before that he had made so many nice compositions before that
35:52 all the marathi films that he scored music for for under the name of anil arun yes they
35:58 were all silver jubilee or golden jubilee hits ashtavinayak is also abhi bhi kam ganpati
36:05 aur ashtavinayak ke gaane gali gali me bachte hai correct correct you know no festival is
36:09 complete without that that's right so he was a very successful musician a musitator
36:17 arranger he was all along with bapida yes and sd bergman sd bergman ya because there
36:23 is an arun podwal chowk also here yes on the 16th ya 16th road ya which is so important
36:30 because you know he was such a good musician absolutely ya so you actually had music from
36:36 all sides even if your father didn't want you to become a singer aapne shadi ki musician
36:42 se my yes of course arun ji toh the hi but my greatest inspiration was my father in law
36:52 he just kept believing that arun ji's father ki meri bahu singer banegi hai achha which
37:00 is so rare yes that's right ya so you had music from everywhere actually their blessings
37:07 absolutely you know at that time jab hero aap tu mera jaanu hai it was so popular aur
37:13 aap har jagah bhi use to hear you sing it how many times i have heard you sing it live
37:17 so many functions at that time i remember people use to say such a pretty face she should
37:22 be in front of the camera what is she doing in the recording rooms but we were not basically
37:28 attuned to thinking like that you know so jab bhi tcs mein bolte the ke aapne shoot
37:34 khana i said please don't do this you know hum log yeh sab ki aadat nahi hai so even
37:40 after so many years people ask for a selfie and photograph i keep shying away because
37:47 abhi tak wo family ke sanskaar itne hai ki nahi matlab today everybody wants to be in
37:53 the camera look at this one come camera he has to be here otherwise he is not with me
37:59 he is here because of the camera absolutely he just looks at the camera he will come chup
38:05 chaap betha rahega he loves music he loves music also oh he does when i go to the studio
38:11 humara studio hai throughout the song he will sit and listen to it so today's generation
38:18 today's everybody everybody wants a selfie everybody wants a photograph that's true
38:23 that's true i remember when aapki adalat was made rajat sharma's program you and gulshan
38:32 ji had come on that program aur main bani thi judge usmein is it ok ji ji i mean i
38:38 remember those times lovely times i would you know you had such a big part to play in
38:44 the in the success in the making of t series at when it started so now when a film is made
38:51 on gulshan ji what role should you have in it i mean how should you be portrayed in it
38:58 as his inspiration as a very integral part of t series one thing i would like to tell
39:06 you is you know it was like it was like a hand and glove combination yes you know whatever
39:17 i put forward to usko showcase karna aur duniya tak le jana wo bhi utna hi important hota
39:27 so it was both ways ya ya you know so i won't say ki mera itna hotha aur it and then it
39:37 is up to them to realize what part i have played so in any case i am the last person
39:48 you know and i really don't think much about all this because ye duniya achkal aise chaliye
39:55 especially thanks to social media kisi ko bhi kuch bhi dikhana hai kuch bhi dikhata
40:01 hai kyunki you know hum log the us wakt when t series was going on to humne dekha hai ap
40:07 logon ka aapka contribution what kind of like you said hand in glove partnership that you
40:14 had with gulshan ji that was such a you know we have seen it and we have seen what how
40:19 it built dc series i know i know but still it depends a lot on the people who are making
40:25 the film no true true unko kitna how much they acknowledge depends on that and actually
40:32 you know it really doesn't make a difference to me matlab you know you i had two experiences
40:38 with you once i had written something which you didn't like star in style mein maine kuch
40:45 likha tha jo aapko pasan nahi aaya star in style mein koi calcutta ka news paper tha
40:50 that was now star in style mein bahut sal pehle toh aap mere ghar ponch gayi soobar you came
40:58 in the morning to my house and you fired me ki how could you write that you know and the
41:04 second time was telegraph calcutta mein maine kuch likha tha jo aapko pasan nahi aaya you
41:11 immediately sent me a whatsapp message and said you didn't like it and i didn't expect
41:15 it from you it was not good you shouldn't have written this so i appreciated that actually
41:21 and i feel that you know when a person reacts immediately and straight forwardly that is
41:28 so much better than andar se feeling bad no i can't do that so you know are you always
41:33 this kind of person yes very you know jo bolna hai bol diya because let me tell you one thing
41:40 even if i if somebody has to give me 10 crores also i can't just jhoot mutka flatter a person
41:47 i can't do that achha koi agar galat chhap diya wo bhi mere se bardaash nahi hota hai
41:54 okay because i'm not arey mere liye aisa achha likho lega tumhe achha lega people ask me
42:01 aapne kitne gaane gaya hai aur my answer is jitne aapko yaad hai okay right right because
42:08 isna number ka kya karenge correct achha aapne itne gaaya hai aise bola toh so i said
42:16 jitne aapko pata hai jitne aapne suna hai okay that's a nice way of putting it yeah
42:22 you know your life has been very unreal for me when i go through it because you have seen
42:28 great success which i have also witnessed with you in 1983 onwards i mean we saw hero
42:35 ek ke baad ek ke baad we saw you right at the peak as a playback singer i have seen
42:42 these huge reserves of devotion coming from you these devotional albums which also were
42:47 a super hit but i also saw from say 1999-91 i saw lot of pathos in your life
42:57 lot of pathos because you were barely 37 when you lost your husband
43:03 and he died suddenly he was ill oh he was ill yes okay but he was also very ill
43:17 yeah but he had suffered three massive heart attacks in a day oh and after that he passed
43:24 away after about a year or so okay okay so he didn't pass ekdum kya hua ekdum aapke
43:33 liye hai because he didn't know but he was very ill but you were kind of prepared for
43:39 it well he was in a condition where i knew kuch hone wala yeah but then with children
43:50 so small and my mother-in-law about 87 years old okay she was still alive of course
43:56 she passed away at the age of over 93-94 but she was a great pillar of strength to me
44:04 to you okay okay but how did you how did you manage as a single woman because you were
44:12 single no bharti and you had small children yes of course so i think you know just god
44:19 was very kind in a way that he never matlab mujhe haath kabhi aise nahi karna padha kisi
44:25 ke saam ki kisi ke baise and that was the greatest strength both my children were musically
44:33 inclined so they were always with me i made sure ki i took them with me jahan programs
44:39 waghare hua karte the so that was a great strength yes so as a family we were always
44:46 together okay what did you tell yourself to get going i didn't tell myself anything i
44:53 just told myself that i have to keep walking no matter what keep walking okay all right
44:59 achha you did tell yourself that and you have to take your children with you yes of course
45:05 because it's only when i keep walking you know with a straight face that my children
45:10 are going to have the confidence to walk in life yes totally yes and then after that
45:16 in within six years or something in 1997 you lost gulshan ji who was another big pillar
45:22 of support for you yes
45:24 he was i mean professionally he had a lot to do with your career so that was that must
45:35 have been another dhakka isn't it it was yes it was a big setback for the reason that
45:44 i had put everything into t-series yes i remember your whole career you had just put it yeah
45:51 yes because whether it was film song it was devotion it was whatever it was you know like
45:56 i had just cut off myself and one reason for me cutting off myself from the entire industry
46:02 was i was concentrating upon my own family yes i couldn't be leaving the children just
46:08 like that and then you know recording udhar ho rahe program udhar ho rahe and i'm not
46:14 like that and t-series was your territory you could yes i mean it was i didn't have
46:17 yeah that was my comfort level mujhe kuch karna nahi padta tha just go and sing correct
46:23 but you were a director there no i was never a director achha achha i sing okay i was only
46:29 a singer you were only a singer okay okay achha achha okay but you had concentrated
46:35 all your singing on that yes because because you know because they gave you the opportunity
46:39 yes and i got it i mean kisko itna who would be so lucky to get i mean jis tarah se everything
46:49 was laid out laid out and ek ke baad ek hit hit bhi hote gaye na pictures bahut log banate
46:57 music bahut log banate paisa bhi usme bahut dalte ki itna bada hit khali paisa se nahi
47:02 hota hai correct correct to be appreciated by people creativity yes so wo ek bahut wo
47:10 ek bahut yeah that was a big turning point but i i i remember one incident you know when
47:17 this happened i was totally i didn't know what to do that came suddenly what to do because
47:24 tab tak main programs karti nahi thi okay i programs hi nahi karti thi i was heavily
47:31 into recordings only because ek even gulchand ji felt you know gene ne ne aap program ke
47:39 liye idhar udhar karenge kahan kaisa mic hota hai kahan kaisa to usme vocal chords effect
47:45 hote hai so he used to be very particular ki nahi you concentrate upon music and matlab
47:52 and recordings to usse saab se bhi you know ki jaise programs karte rehte hai to log confidence
47:59 hota hai ki ne ne programs hai wala woh bhi nahi tha correct and but i always looked at
48:08 t series ki i told Vaishno Devi i said look t series for me is Vaishno Devi ek company
48:15 i never forget that so you look after me you know matlab babu ji ke saath maine shuru
48:24 kya gulchand ji came in later on but for me constant Vaishno Devi so you please give me
48:33 a direction and you matlab ye meri bhavna hai you have to show me whether what i have
48:39 done is right or wrong whether you are with me or not you know that was the time in 1997
48:49 December that i got the cultural ambassador to devotional music i got felicitated by the
48:58 United Nations of America wow ok you know yes so that was again a huge you know like
49:09 ki main hu tumhare saath and every time that i have faced some difficulty in life ye mere
49:17 saath matlab god has been superlatively kind ki ek hota hai ki nahi main hu tumhare saath
49:24 correct correct aisa don't think that you are alone i am there with you totally totally
49:30 something out of the world happens not ki not like a normal ever not something unexpected
49:38 kabhi socha bhi nahi tha you know so and then of course mere saath mane ji jhud gaye and
49:47 he was he used to work in Shree Sound so he said daai mujhe aapke saath rakh lo i said
49:54 look itna toh mai kaam nahi karo nahi nahi mai kaam leke aunga he said mai kaam leke
49:59 aunga hum program shuru karenge aap chinta mat karo and after that then i started doing
50:04 programs ok ok and you are still doing i am still doing but abhi toh recordings bhi bahut
50:11 ho rahe hain but yes mane was a great great source of inspiration for me and he really
50:21 really matlab ek uski nature bhi aise thi na toh he was very sweet toh bahut programs
50:29 ke liye you know just one more thing on gulshan ji when he passed away it was very tragic
50:36 assassination it was cruel and i think he paid the price for just being wearing his
50:45 devotion on his sleeve you know i think he paid the price for that he would have been
50:50 very happy in today's mahal i would think he was much needed actually he was much needed
50:55 in today's mahal yes yes and i always felt he paid the price for being so devoted for
51:03 wearing his devotion on his sleeve i wont say devotion i dont think that was the cause
51:09 probably people wanted something else out of him business whatever whatever but were
51:18 you happy with the way the court thing has gone because you were one of the witnesses
51:23 bharti i have never really you know i dont want to say that not given it a thought or
51:34 whatever you know but then i have seen too much of life where people twist and turn things
51:40 to their to suit themselves so what is there for me to say so you have seen that in the
51:46 court of law also things being presented no no i have seen that a lot i mean i have
51:53 seen it in the whole world why court of law if you go to see it the whole world is a court
51:59 and all the things people twist and turn you know our own like for example we see reels
52:09 on the youtube we see on the social media they just write and talk anything at the cost
52:19 of people's families and family life unscrupulous so that thing means we are sad what we feel
52:31 bad is for the person who has gone absolutely a person has gone after that the way he depends
52:41 on a lot of things where does he depend on truth and lies he doesnt depend on that
52:47 so lets not go there then the one thing which i hesitate to ask you about but i will have
52:57 to is about your son because i think what you went through people lose husbands people
53:05 lose partners people lose to lose your son must have been absolutely shattering
53:11 Maruti let me tell you one thing he was only 35 i know but i think looking back on life
53:22 as you said you know it has been a unreal unreal ke matlab i dont even know how to describe
53:33 it but puri meri journey hai and there has been a pattern to it i really feel that my
53:39 life is only about learning non attachment oh ok you know because i am always been spiritually
53:52 inclined and too much we get attached to a certain thing and that is the reason we keep
53:59 taking births to lekin eventually at some point of time we have to go towards moksha
54:10 everybody has to go aap mano nahi mano mano to jaldi aap kadam uthate hai nahi mano to
54:19 tode aur janam lakte hai itna hi difference hai i think we should stop with that its a
54:25 wonderful wonderful moment to stop at thank you so much
54:31 thank you very much
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