In Episode 1 of Sessions w/ Frank Nitty Podcast we have one of the pioneers of the YouTube basketball content creation space, Dev In The Lab.
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00:00:00 It was an accident.
00:00:01 I saved the Clash project on YouTube.
00:00:04 Nah, you one of the biggest toes on the YouTube poster.
00:00:06 I grew up in the Ant Warfare, so I thought training was dope.
00:00:10 People are like, "Man, you're like a young Morgan Freeman."
00:00:12 I'm like, "What? I'm not gonna stop this monster on social media."
00:00:16 You're the pioneer of the 1v1 movement.
00:00:18 Nobody gives me credit for it. I don't need it.
00:00:20 What's your take on the YouTube basketball scene?
00:00:23 Uh, phew. No, no, no, no, no. We're off camera.
00:00:26 In the Lab vs. West Coast game, what the hell happened?
00:00:29 [music]
00:00:32 What's good, y'all? This is episode one of Sessions with Frank Nitti.
00:00:36 And I have the man, the myth, the legend here, Dev, man.
00:00:41 Talking about himself. Talking about himself.
00:00:43 But, yeah, man, what's good? How you doing?
00:00:45 What up, man?
00:00:46 It's funny, 'cause we never really hung out.
00:00:48 Ever. Ever. So I think this is a dope way to do it.
00:00:51 Yeah, why not?
00:00:52 I feel like a lot of us have talked and been in the same gyms,
00:00:55 and we all got the same views and goals.
00:00:58 So I had to get you in here, have a conversation,
00:01:01 and finally get to know you a little bit more, man.
00:01:04 Both ways. Yeah. I gotta know who you are, too.
00:01:07 My guy.
00:01:09 All right, so I'm just gonna start it right off.
00:01:12 You being in this space, man, how would you define your role?
00:01:15 How would you define the role of content creator, pooper?
00:01:18 Great question.
00:01:20 Just everything.
00:01:22 That's a great question. So I don't consider myself--
00:01:25 All right, I'll start over.
00:01:27 I was in the forefront of this basketball trainer type thing, right?
00:01:33 And I wasn't even trying to be a trainer.
00:01:35 I didn't know nothing about training.
00:01:37 I grew up in the "and one" phase, so I thought training was dumb.
00:01:40 So I thought you just gotta go, "Whoop," just to get it, you know?
00:01:43 So all this extra stuff that I do now is kind of funny,
00:01:46 'cause I was never about that.
00:01:48 Then it turned into what it is today,
00:01:50 and I kind of consider myself as a basketball promoter, right?
00:01:55 So I do all the things that I can do in a basketball space
00:01:58 to get other people to love the sport that I love.
00:02:01 'Cause I do love basketball.
00:02:03 I don't love the injuries and things that come with it,
00:02:06 'cause my whole life was filled with that.
00:02:09 But I love getting people to understand what this sport can bring.
00:02:15 Like, it's taken me everywhere around the world, which is dope.
00:02:19 It's gotten me to meet some really cool people,
00:02:22 be in some rooms that I never thought I'd be in.
00:02:26 And just from music to food to all this different type of stuff,
00:02:31 basketball took me there.
00:02:33 So I want other people to see it, so I'm a promoter of basketball.
00:02:36 You sound just like me, man.
00:02:38 A lot of people talk about the way I dribble and stuff like that.
00:02:41 All that was learned from "and one."
00:02:43 Seriously, though, all of it.
00:02:45 I used to try to roll it on the ground, throwing a ball over my head.
00:02:48 You never saw me in the gym working on my game.
00:02:50 I was doing "and one" moves and just playing with the homies.
00:02:53 So if anybody understands that upbringing, it's me, man.
00:02:56 So that's dope.
00:02:57 It's the culture, right?
00:02:58 Basketball, "and one" was the culture.
00:03:00 A lot of people don't know this stuff,
00:03:02 but it was the people on top of the fences,
00:03:06 trying to look down on the court, all that type of stuff.
00:03:09 A lot of that was with the "and one" culture,
00:03:11 putting a ball in your shirt, wrapping it around your body,
00:03:14 all the little freestyles that you see.
00:03:17 You remember how they used to have the mixed tastes,
00:03:20 with "Corrupt" and all these other dudes?
00:03:22 This was "and one." It was a culture.
00:03:24 And it's funny because nowadays, everybody's like,
00:03:27 "What happened to basketball?"
00:03:29 People are carrying this stuff.
00:03:31 I'm like, "Oh, y'all must be new to this."
00:03:33 Because "and one," that's what all people used to complain about.
00:03:37 But it was such a movement.
00:03:39 And it's cool to see what you guys done with "Baller's Life"
00:03:43 and doing the takeovers and everything,
00:03:45 that's what we grew up on.
00:03:47 What were they called? Were they called takeovers?
00:03:49 Nah.
00:03:50 They weren't called takeovers. They were called--
00:03:52 I feel like they just called them--
00:03:54 "Crash the Court."
00:03:56 Well, I only know because I went to one when I was younger,
00:03:59 like 9 years old, 10 years old, back on the court,
00:04:02 trying to shoot half-court shots at halftime and stuff.
00:04:04 So when I went out to business, I'm like,
00:04:06 "Oh, this was like the same thing."
00:04:08 But they had "Hot Sauce," they had all those dudes,
00:04:10 A.O., Skip to Marlowe.
00:04:12 And it was just cool. It was a cool time in basketball.
00:04:16 So anybody who grew up in that era, you know.
00:04:20 It was fire to be out there looking for--
00:04:23 to have to buy the shoes, to get the mixtapes,
00:04:26 and you finally got the mixtape, you get to sit and watch it with your friends,
00:04:29 and you actually have to press rewind and fast-forward
00:04:32 and go back and look at the movie.
00:04:34 - The VCR vibe? - Yeah, the VCR vibe.
00:04:36 - I remember double-taping. - All that stuff.
00:04:38 Bro, it's crazy. I feel old talking about that.
00:04:40 - We're aging ourselves. - But I don't mind,
00:04:42 'cause I'm happy that I was there,
00:04:44 that I was able to see all that type of stuff,
00:04:47 and I can understand the culture of basketball.
00:04:49 Nah, definitely, man.
00:04:51 It was a movement. I can't say, you know.
00:04:54 Ant-One, what I was saying, me. That's what made me who I am.
00:04:57 My sham is different because of Ant-One.
00:05:00 It's literally because of that, and everybody loves that move.
00:05:03 But yeah, it paved the way.
00:05:05 And it's dope--hold on, even before we move on,
00:05:07 it's dope because I know you have, too.
00:05:09 I'm running into a lot of those dudes.
00:05:11 I see the professor. I've seen--
00:05:14 I met Ayo, we talked back and forth,
00:05:16 I've skipped to my little--all those--
00:05:18 and now they be watching us, which is weird.
00:05:20 It's just a circle. It's like fashion.
00:05:22 It's how it all just come back around,
00:05:24 and it's crazy, and it's dope to even experience.
00:05:27 So let's move forward to my next question, then.
00:05:31 What pushed you, after all that, to being a content creator?
00:05:34 I feel like that's a--
00:05:36 It was an accident.
00:05:38 I wasn't trying to do none of this stuff.
00:05:40 It's an accident. It's crazy.
00:05:42 No, I'm serious.
00:05:44 Basically how I started the whole $10,000,
00:05:46 my first documentary, I had a school project.
00:05:49 I figured, well, I went to Fresno State, got hurt,
00:05:52 so I was like, nah, I'll bounce back, went to JC.
00:05:55 Then I ended up like, all right, I'm at a JC right now.
00:05:59 I'm probably not going to make the league.
00:06:01 The chances are very slim.
00:06:03 Let me hold you to that.
00:06:05 So you wanted to go--that was a thought in your mind as a hooker?
00:06:07 A lot of people, when they start playing basketball,
00:06:10 and they start figuring, oh, I can hang with some of these dudes,
00:06:13 it's like, oh, OK, it's not too far.
00:06:15 I don't know if you know about late night.
00:06:17 I used to be up there.
00:06:19 OK, so you know Aaron Ofolle, Gabe Pruitt, all those dudes.
00:06:22 I was playing with them, and some of those dudes are my big bros.
00:06:26 So long story short, I started figuring, OK, this ain't going to work.
00:06:30 I'm always hurt. No matter how good or how bouncy or whatever,
00:06:33 I can dribble, I'm always hurt.
00:06:35 So I'm like, let's be real with myself.
00:06:37 So I went to an art school.
00:06:39 Long story short, at the art school, the reason why I went there
00:06:42 was because they was giving away scholarships.
00:06:44 It was a D2.
00:06:45 Yeah, at that point, you take one.
00:06:46 Yeah, I had to take it because it was what I kind of learned to do,
00:06:50 and basketball is what I knew how to do.
00:06:53 So I saved the Clash project on YouTube, and then somebody called me up.
00:06:59 I told the story, but somebody called me up like,
00:07:01 "Hey, Dib, your video's on Reddit."
00:07:03 I'm like, "What's Reddit?"
00:07:04 He's like, "Oh, bro, just click on this link."
00:07:06 Took me to the front page of YouTube, and I had like 100,000 views in like a day.
00:07:12 I'm like, "What is that?"
00:07:14 I didn't even--
00:07:15 You were real viral.
00:07:16 It was because I had no money.
00:07:17 So if I'd have had some money, I would have saved it on a hard drive.
00:07:21 So then I'm like, OK, it's growing, it's growing.
00:07:24 I got to make another one.
00:07:26 I got to make a whole other video.
00:07:27 And it was because I was training these Chinese kids that the whole thing
00:07:30 took me to China, the whole thing introduced me to Adidas.
00:07:34 And I just kept making the videos, but I didn't know nothing about training.
00:07:38 So I was studying other people.
00:07:40 I would be emailing all these dudes like, "Hey, feel handy," all these guys.
00:07:43 Like, how can I learn how to train and this and that?
00:07:46 Because there's no school for it.
00:07:47 You did your work, though.
00:07:48 I was trying to learn.
00:07:49 And I feel like a lot of people miss that.
00:07:51 I feel like a lot of people think most things we do as people is an overnight success.
00:07:56 It's so much that I do right now from editing.
00:07:59 I taught myself to edit just to get clips out, just to get content out.
00:08:03 And that brought brands in.
00:08:05 But I had to teach myself how to do those things just so other opportunities
00:08:10 could stem from that.
00:08:11 So, nah, that's dope as hell, man, just to hear that one little thing took you
00:08:17 and just propelled you, it kept propelling you.
00:08:19 It made me-- I had so much fun just learning how to edit, like how you're
00:08:24 talking about it, and seeing those videos go out there and finding my voice.
00:08:28 It's funny, you might find it funny, but I didn't know what my voice sounded like.
00:08:34 So I would hear-- well, I did when I was a kid, so I would always leave voicemails
00:08:39 and I'd get home before my parents and I'd hear myself on the voicemail when
00:08:42 they got home and played it.
00:08:43 I'm like, that's what I saw, I hated it.
00:08:45 And so when I got older, people were like, "Man, you like a young Morgan Freeman."
00:08:49 I'm like, "What?"
00:08:51 It's very distinct, it's different.
00:08:53 I came into my own and I was just like, "You know what, I do sound like a young
00:08:57 Morgan Freeman."
00:08:58 So then I turned into be narrating.
00:09:01 I got an MBA job and all kinds of other stuff, like I was James Harden commercial
00:09:05 narrator.
00:09:06 So you just never know where-- but basketball took me there.
00:09:11 I never had it where I thought--
00:09:13 That's actually one of my-- I think my most interactive thing was you--
00:09:16 there's a little snitch segment you got, man.
00:09:18 I think that was phenomenal.
00:09:20 I think that was one of the dopest things from somebody to just create off the
00:09:23 rip, because everybody talked about it, but nobody really talked about it.
00:09:26 You talked about it and made it funny at the same time as entertaining.
00:09:30 So I just want to big up to you on that because, man, it was a couple times I
00:09:34 wasn't just laughing because of the stuff that you-- it was like Shaq and a fool
00:09:38 but with somebody funny behind it.
00:09:40 Let's go to the biggest mystery of them all, the big Aristotle, Shaquille.
00:09:47 As he's almost Shaquille, every defender that he's matched up against,
00:09:51 using everything in the book.
00:09:53 Which is funny because Shaq hit me up about it.
00:09:55 And it ended up on TNT and all this other stuff.
00:09:58 I did see that.
00:09:59 Yeah.
00:10:00 But how it originated was how everybody always is a comment coach.
00:10:06 And just they think that they know everything.
00:10:09 So I'm like, you know what?
00:10:10 I'm not going to stop this monster on social media.
00:10:13 Everybody just thinks they know it, so I'm going to just be them.
00:10:16 You can't beat them, join them, right?
00:10:18 So I would just take what I saw people say and just say it in their little
00:10:22 voiceovers.
00:10:23 And I connected it to just the FBI and all this stuff.
00:10:27 And it actually ended up catching on.
00:10:30 And people still to this day don't know that I'm actually trolling the trolls.
00:10:34 Man, I tell people all the time, you're one of the biggest trolls I know.
00:10:36 You're close to the number one reader.
00:10:38 You and Gil are--
00:10:39 He's the damning motivation.
00:10:41 See, you and Gil are the biggest trolls I know, but y'all are fun to watch, man.
00:10:44 It's exciting.
00:10:45 I appreciate that.
00:10:46 And you had the baby with you.
00:10:49 Bro, it was so classic because it was so genuine.
00:10:52 Everybody's a part of that.
00:10:53 Big shout out to that.
00:10:55 I appreciate that.
00:10:56 Let me fast forward a little bit.
00:10:58 You had Kyrie Irving in your gym, man.
00:11:01 I've had a few battles with him in closed gyms, so I know what it's like.
00:11:05 What was it like for you?
00:11:07 It's a physical encounter because you see all the shifting and all the stuff that
00:11:11 he does, but he wants contact.
00:11:13 He used a lot of shoulders.
00:11:14 Yeah, I know.
00:11:15 He's just going right into you.
00:11:16 My chest hurt for two minutes straight after I played him for the first time.
00:11:20 He looks for it.
00:11:22 That was one of the first things that I noticed.
00:11:24 We played once.
00:11:25 We weren't even supposed to play.
00:11:27 I was fat and out of shape.
00:11:29 He hit me up one day.
00:11:30 He was like, "Hey, let's get in the gym."
00:11:33 I'm like, "What?"
00:11:34 He's like, "All right."
00:11:35 Because we had had a bunch of run-ins.
00:11:37 Being that I was on social media, we had this thing called Shift Team.
00:11:41 Kyrie one day hit us up on Twitter like, "Can I be a part of Shift Team?"
00:11:46 I'm like, "Yeah, sure, if you want.
00:11:48 Whatever."
00:11:49 Years passed by.
00:11:50 We ran across each other at the Boston versus Golden State game in Boston.
00:11:55 He came up to me.
00:11:56 He was like, "Ain't you that YouTube dude?
00:11:59 I be watching your videos, bro."
00:12:01 I was just like, "Wow, that's really cool."
00:12:04 He's younger than me, but the fact that he got so much other stuff going on.
00:12:08 It comes to-- I got connected with KD, all these guys.
00:12:12 They're like, "Bro, we watch all your stuff.
00:12:14 All the ballers like."
00:12:16 It's crazy how much they really watch.
00:12:18 KD, he was breaking down the Midwest game when he played then with me.
00:12:22 I'm just like, "Man, you sitting down here dissecting the ballers like game."
00:12:25 He be watching.
00:12:26 They really love hoop, bro.
00:12:27 They love it.
00:12:28 At the end of the day, and I don't think people know that, they love basketball just as much
00:12:31 as we love it.
00:12:32 You can find that little itch or something that's exciting to you.
00:12:35 They can go watch it just like we watch it.
00:12:37 Seriously, though.
00:12:38 I can attest to that for sure.
00:12:39 To continue what you were talking about, just being in the gym, it was cool because he was
00:12:45 really trying to learn from me and pick my brain as much as I was trying to do that same
00:12:49 thing with him.
00:12:50 It turned into a friendship that we have now.
00:12:54 In terms of playing, he's got it.
00:12:57 He's human just like everybody else.
00:12:59 I think that's what makes him cool because he's vulnerable.
00:13:03 He doesn't hide from that.
00:13:05 He knows, "If I play hard, I might get crossed every now and then, but I'm going to come
00:13:09 back at you."
00:13:10 I thought that was cool.
00:13:12 Yeah, and I feel like when we were playing, and I hope we can get him to talk about it
00:13:16 one day so I can hear his side of it.
00:13:18 If I got a bucket on him, he was coming right back at me the next play.
00:13:21 I feel like that's what makes us the best competitors.
00:13:23 I feel like when you're scared to get crossed, dropped, dumped on, you ain't going to be
00:13:28 the best version of you.
00:13:29 I think that's what kind of make me me.
00:13:31 I'm not scared to get embarrassed at any point.
00:13:33 It's a part of the game.
00:13:34 I'm at a level now where I'm going to get the best out of anybody, and then I'm going
00:13:37 to get the best from the best, depending on who I'm playing.
00:13:40 I feel like there's no ducking that, bro.
00:13:43 It's going to happen to all of us at some point.
00:13:46 If you ain't been crossed or you ain't been dunked on, you ain't played against nobody.
00:13:51 That's just what it is.
00:13:52 You just ain't played against nobody.
00:13:53 I try to tell a lot of young dudes that I play with now, you can't stop nobody.
00:14:00 Once you get to a level of how good somebody is, and once you get to a level where they
00:14:04 make good money, you just ain't going to stop nobody.
00:14:06 You can make it tough.
00:14:07 Some of these dudes is good, bro.
00:14:09 I'm telling you.
00:14:10 When I tell you when I'm playing against Kyrie, and I'm a pretty good defender, I'm contesting
00:14:14 things at the top like this, didn't matter.
00:14:16 Number net.
00:14:17 Didn't even hit the rim.
00:14:18 That's what was making me mad.
00:14:19 I play defense too, especially ones.
00:14:23 I'm playing three dribble.
00:14:24 You got three.
00:14:25 Fast.
00:14:26 So I know where you're going to shoot.
00:14:28 But he was doing this fadeaway.
00:14:31 I'm really good.
00:14:32 All right, when you bring the ball up, I swipe down.
00:14:34 I'm not a shot blocker, so I'm going to try to get you down, because I can't get you up
00:14:37 here, right?
00:14:38 100%.
00:14:39 He kept the ball over, so he'd do a turnaround and bring it up from right here.
00:14:43 Normally people bring it from here.
00:14:44 I couldn't get it.
00:14:45 It was frustrating.
00:14:46 Then another thing he would do, he would fade, but he would lift his knee up, so I couldn't
00:14:50 get through that leg to block the shots.
00:14:52 I'm like, "Ah, yeah."
00:14:53 So he's just going to hit some shots on me, whether it is what it is.
00:14:56 But that was a great-- all those experiences are great, bro.
00:15:00 Phenomenal.
00:15:01 I'll tell people about them to this day.
00:15:02 Mike, you just talked about the ones with Kyrie and all that.
00:15:05 You were the pioneer of the 1v1 movement.
00:15:08 It's funny.
00:15:09 Nobody gives me credit for it anymore.
00:15:11 Who's just like, "Yeah, because we did-- we've been doing this for a minute, bro."
00:15:16 And the one-on-ones and the twos.
00:15:19 But the thing is, I thought about this a long time ago, right?
00:15:23 I was walking so other people could fly, and I'm completely okay with it.
00:15:27 I'm looking at guys like Friggin and just all these other guys.
00:15:30 I'm looking at what they're doing.
00:15:31 I'm like, "That's really dope."
00:15:33 Because I make my money in other ways, so I ain't got to go, "I hate on this dude."
00:15:37 For what?
00:15:38 There's so many things that I learned how to do, and I'm skilled in a lot.
00:15:42 And it's not in a category.
00:15:43 I'm skilled in a lot of different categories.
00:15:44 Why are you going to hate on this person doing something good?
00:15:47 So we did the two-on-twos, and everybody saw that it was going to be like, "Oh, the two-on-twos is fun."
00:15:54 We did it with-- we had what's called a credit class.
00:15:56 We did a Marcellus, White Iverson, the dude's name was Nelly, and it was one other person.
00:16:02 I can't remember who it was, but it was cool.
00:16:06 And every game that we had with twos came down to it.
00:16:09 Then Coutinho, Moe, hit me up.
00:16:10 "I want to be in the next one."
00:16:11 I'm like, "Okay."
00:16:13 White Chocolate hit me up.
00:16:15 "Oh, can I bring--?"
00:16:16 And that was with Bryan.
00:16:17 He was like, "Yeah, I want to be in it."
00:16:19 I was like, "Are you sure?"
00:16:21 I know he's been in the gym like that, but he played against Diamond P.
00:16:24 I saw that.
00:16:25 I watched that.
00:16:26 Yeah, I'm like--
00:16:27 I watched that.
00:16:28 Yeah, he was letting them--
00:16:29 He was going crazy.
00:16:30 I said, "You got to contest somebody."
00:16:31 Come on, come on.
00:16:32 But the twos are always fun.
00:16:34 It was just a lot of us trying stuff.
00:16:38 We could have made it take off.
00:16:40 I never know what's going to take off.
00:16:42 I just try stuff and just back up from it.
00:16:44 If it do, it do, whatever.
00:16:47 Nobody gives me credit for it.
00:16:49 I don't need it.
00:16:50 I just enjoy watching all the stuff that's out there now, because now I ain't got to
00:16:53 be battling against everybody, hurt every day.
00:16:56 You know what I'm saying?
00:16:57 I think that's a hidden gem, too, bro.
00:16:59 You hit the nail on the head with that one.
00:17:01 That's kind of how I move.
00:17:03 I don't need basketball.
00:17:05 I have so many different things that I do, so many different things I have my hand in,
00:17:09 that I'm-- like I was just telling you before, I try to help as many people as I can.
00:17:13 You can ask anybody that's ever talked to me.
00:17:16 If there was a way I could help them, I did.
00:17:18 But you're in a situation, though, because you win, and people hate winners.
00:17:23 I say that all the time.
00:17:25 They love them at first.
00:17:28 They do.
00:17:29 And then when it just keeps happening, everybody wants to attack you, and they turn you into
00:17:32 a villain, it doesn't even matter what you do off the court.
00:17:35 Only the people who you're around know who you are.
00:17:38 It's just like, oh, dang, this is cool.
00:17:41 We hang out with them.
00:17:43 And it's funny, because I hang out-- before Hezzy was who he was, I knew who Hezzy was.
00:17:49 So they just see how he plays, and just--
00:17:52 They judge it off that.
00:17:54 So there's two things I'm going to go through off that, because I'm glad you brought that up.
00:17:57 One was Xavier Moon, so remind me to go back to that.
00:17:59 But one of my favorite quotes is, "You either live long enough to see yourself become the
00:18:04 villain, or you die the hero."
00:18:06 It's one of my favorite movies.
00:18:07 "You die the hero."
00:18:08 Me too.
00:18:09 So that's me.
00:18:10 I've been around for so long.
00:18:11 I've been successful for so long that now it's like, let's tear him down, or let's throw
00:18:14 the best next young dude at him.
00:18:17 It's a million people that can beat me.
00:18:19 I'm not that guy that's going to sit here like, oh, yeah, man, I'm 34.
00:18:22 My knees hurt after every time I play.
00:18:24 Before and after I play.
00:18:26 I'm not some guy-- I understand where the YouTube community put me and other people put me.
00:18:29 But I can be beat.
00:18:31 And I feel like people don't realize that.
00:18:33 I feel like people just want to throw people against me.
00:18:35 So either they people can get clout, or they can beat me and tarnish my name.
00:18:40 Y'all can have it.
00:18:42 Me and Ball's Life is working on something that we're going to have where everybody can
00:18:45 get the Eclipse clout and all that.
00:18:47 But to go back to X-Thing, Xavier Moon, me and him had that conversation before he played
00:18:51 on my Ju-League team.
00:18:53 He's good, too.
00:18:54 Listen.
00:18:55 I played one time, bro.
00:18:56 I was like, all right, I need him.
00:18:58 But I didn't know how to go about it because at first he didn't like me.
00:19:01 But he didn't like me because of how I played.
00:19:04 But nobody understands until they come and watch.
00:19:06 So he got to watch it firsthand.
00:19:08 At Legacy League, he got to watch how people antagonize me.
00:19:10 He got to watch how people want me to lose.
00:19:12 He earned the respect.
00:19:13 Basically.
00:19:14 He had to watch people who would shake my hand or who would hate on me on the sideline
00:19:18 and then shake my hand after I win the game.
00:19:20 So he got to see it all, and he didn't understand that.
00:19:22 So he was like, damn, you really most hate it.
00:19:25 And it's weird.
00:19:26 And it's a crazy time because like you said, people really hate winners.
00:19:29 So that's something that I'm dealing with right now, too.
00:19:32 That's a tough area.
00:19:33 But see, the thing about this, though, is this is why I'm so cool off of-- I don't need social
00:19:40 media anymore.
00:19:41 I consider it like this.
00:19:44 It's better to be rich in spirit than rich financially.
00:19:47 And everybody's like, if I have money, this and that.
00:19:51 You don't know what it's like.
00:19:52 You don't know.
00:19:53 You don't understand what it's like to go out Westbrook and see that he can't do anything.
00:19:58 He can't go to Walmart.
00:19:59 He can't be normal.
00:20:00 He can't be normal.
00:20:01 He can't even go to Disneyland, which is the happiest place on Earth, and have a normal
00:20:05 day with his kids.
00:20:06 So I'd rather be right where I'm at, rich in spirit, because I'm happy all the time.
00:20:11 I got a son.
00:20:12 I got a wife.
00:20:13 And we do cool things together.
00:20:14 I'm trying to do more.
00:20:15 But that's my life.
00:20:17 Everybody sees all this social media stuff, and they just think, oh, that's just who Devin--
00:20:22 no, you don't know me.
00:20:23 You don't know.
00:20:24 And flipping back to what you were saying, too, this is also a burden that we kind of
00:20:31 brought on ourselves because of the generation that we grew up in.
00:20:34 I'm going to explain.
00:20:35 We talk a lot of trash.
00:20:37 But people don't understand, like, I don't hate you.
00:20:41 It's just how-- you ever played dominoes or all these other games you could play and just
00:20:46 talk trash?
00:20:47 I don't think they did.
00:20:48 I don't think they did.
00:20:49 No, I know they didn't, because they're on their phones.
00:20:50 And it's just like, that's why people can't do simple things like read and speak, because
00:20:55 they're on their phones so much.
00:20:56 And they don't connect with the world and know how to talk trash and understand that
00:21:01 we can play, and we can talk trash, and you can win or I can win.
00:21:04 But at the end of the day, I'm going to just go chill.
00:21:07 I ain't got to hate this dude.
00:21:08 We all got better.
00:21:09 I grew up with older brothers that would kick my ass in a video game, never let me win.
00:21:14 I would sit there in tears.
00:21:15 They would talk-- as they're winning, talking shit to me.
00:21:18 That's the worst, too.
00:21:19 Bro, there's nothing worse than somebody whoop your ass and you do nothing about it, and
00:21:22 they talking crazy to you in the process.
00:21:24 It's the worst thing you can ever experience, too.
00:21:25 It makes you tougher.
00:21:26 It makes you tougher mentally.
00:21:27 Yeah, mentally it made me stronger, like, now I'm going to get through this.
00:21:30 I'm going to figure it out.
00:21:31 And we don't have that in this generation.
00:21:33 Now it's like, let me run to the phone.
00:21:35 Let me go cry to-- it's just a soft generation.
00:21:38 It's also why people are-- and this is my fault.
00:21:42 This is Ball's life fault.
00:21:43 This is Hoot McSafe's fault.
00:21:44 This is Yair's fault.
00:21:45 This is all of our faults because it's-- the cameras have made everybody afraid to, like,
00:21:51 really get in and somebody judge a play defense because you don't want to end up on a highlight.
00:21:55 But, like, I understand how things work.
00:21:57 And it just happens.
00:21:58 I've been on the wrong end of a highlight.
00:22:00 It's just like--
00:22:01 You and me both.
00:22:02 Life still goes on.
00:22:03 It still goes on.
00:22:04 You know, and I'm not still living all that other stuff.
00:22:06 If somebody brings it up, I can joke about it.
00:22:08 I can laugh at myself.
00:22:09 Do they bring it up a lot with you?
00:22:10 No, because--
00:22:11 You know how much I hear it?
00:22:13 Every chance they get.
00:22:14 Every chance they get.
00:22:15 Because everybody wants to beat you.
00:22:17 That's why.
00:22:18 It's just weird.
00:22:19 Like, Will Bynum whooped my ass when he heard of Big 3.
00:22:21 I don't stop hearing about it.
00:22:22 Anytime anybody see me kick somebody else's ass, they bring that up.
00:22:25 I love the fact that I've done so much to a point where y'all got to go back to shit that old.
00:22:29 That means I've done a lot and I've gone up against the best people.
00:22:33 And if you got to go back that far, I'm doing my job.
00:22:35 You're doing your job, but at the same time, there's nothing you're ever going to be able to do because you're a winner.
00:22:40 And people hate winners and they're always going to try to bring them down because they want to be you.
00:22:45 And everybody wants a shortcut in order to be you, but they don't understand how you got there.
00:22:50 There's steps to success.
00:22:51 And I always like to hear Steph talk about shooting because he said he started in front of the room and made his way back and was frustrated, was mad.
00:22:58 Everybody thought he was--
00:22:59 They keep telling me he's born with it, but I talked to the dude about it and he said he was not.
00:23:04 It ain't no coincidence that his dad was a shooter and his brother's information that's passed out.
00:23:11 Just like, if I have money, I'm passing this information down to my kids so that he can have money.
00:23:17 You know what I'm saying?
00:23:18 It's not just about giving it to them.
00:23:20 It's how can I teach you how to fish?
00:23:22 Instead of just you eating off everybody else's--
00:23:25 No, I'm going to teach you how to fish and you can live forever.
00:23:28 You can eat forever.
00:23:29 You know what I'm saying?
00:23:30 I love that you brought that up because this year I made that a point of emphasis.
00:23:34 And I know people thought I was going to come back the same this year, but I told everybody from the beginning of the year I was going to go crazy.
00:23:41 I didn't know how crazy I was going to go, but I knew it was going to be a wrap for people because everybody expected me to come back the same nitty that's going to take bad shots and not a good three-point shooter.
00:23:50 I was good enough this year, and I wasn't even as good as I wanted to be.
00:23:53 I took so many days off, but I was good enough to where a catch and shoot was knockdown.
00:23:58 What you think I shot, Ari? About 75% on the catch and shoot?
00:24:01 I didn't miss. I didn't miss the catch and shoot.
00:24:03 Off the dribble, it's a little different, but I shot it good enough to win us a championship in the dribble.
00:24:08 It was like, "Oh, shit. We can't do what we used to do."
00:24:12 So, I definitely got in the gym and put in that work just to shut people up.
00:24:16 I hear good stuff about you two in the gym because I talked to Jerome Randall.
00:24:22 Oh, that's my brother.
00:24:23 He said you guys had a couple battles, but you're competitive.
00:24:26 I was going against him and Pierre Jackson.
00:24:29 That's a time.
00:24:31 Nightmare.
00:24:32 Nightmare.
00:24:33 They're fast.
00:24:34 I'm 6'2", and they're smaller, so low man wins. You can't get lower than that.
00:24:37 Those are fast.
00:24:38 Crazy.
00:24:39 I'm saying that to say you're competitive, and that goes a long ways, and that's the reason why you are who you are.
00:24:47 That's the reason why I am who I am because I'm competitive in a lot of different places, not just basketball.
00:24:52 But I understand, I think, just from having this conversation with you, you understand yourself.
00:24:57 100%.
00:24:58 If you don't understand yourself, you never will go anywhere at anything.
00:25:02 I like when you said, just to go back a little bit, on you're happy.
00:25:06 Of course.
00:25:07 I don't think a lot of people realize that.
00:25:09 I think when people see me talk about the NBA and talk about all this stuff, you don't know what that's like.
00:25:13 You don't know what it's like dealing with friends becoming weirdos because you got money now.
00:25:17 Your family becoming weirdos because you got money now.
00:25:20 You don't know what it's like to deal with somebody bet their whole mortgage on you to have 20 that game and you don't get it.
00:25:26 Now they blowing your DMs up.
00:25:28 That's countless people.
00:25:30 There's so much that comes with that side of life, and I've never wanted any of it.
00:25:34 In every interview I've ever done, you'll hear me say that.
00:25:37 If you ask Demi Lillard right now to this day, I just tell him, "I don't give a fuck about basketball.
00:25:42 This is just something I'm doing.
00:25:43 This is not what I want to do as a career."
00:25:46 I love to hear that from people.
00:25:49 People know who--and you never touched NBA, right?
00:25:52 Nope.
00:25:53 People know who Frank Nitti is before they know who played last night for the Lakers on trying out for the team.
00:25:59 Before they know who some of these guys are on the bench, on some of the guys that made the team.
00:26:06 And the reason why is because you just dominated your lane.
00:26:11 And that's the one thing I learned from Damian.
00:26:13 He was just like--I was in an interview--
00:26:16 Dominate where you was at.
00:26:18 That stuck with me, bro.
00:26:20 It really stuck.
00:26:21 Yeah, I was like, "Oh, this is--did this fly by everybody else's head?"
00:26:25 It did.
00:26:26 All you got to do is just do what you do where you are and just expand out.
00:26:29 They're going to hear about it later.
00:26:30 They're going to come to you.
00:26:31 I saw him put in so much work in that gym, bro.
00:26:34 He has the best work ethic.
00:26:36 It's the reason--Fan is not the fastest player.
00:26:38 He's not the most athletic player.
00:26:40 He's not the most talented player you've ever seen, but his work ethic is unreal, bro.
00:26:45 I tell people this story all the time because I like to put it in perspective.
00:26:48 When we all went home for college, you know when you get that break and everybody go home?
00:26:51 Damian didn't go home.
00:26:52 Damian stayed there and got better.
00:26:54 Phil Beckner, still his trainer to this day.
00:26:56 Still his guy.
00:26:57 Got better.
00:26:58 So when we got back after partying and out of shape, Damian was in top shape.
00:27:02 That was his year, right?
00:27:03 Yes.
00:27:04 Went crazy, bro.
00:27:05 Went crazy.
00:27:06 I love stories like that.
00:27:07 Because it's just--it puts a perspective that we don't work hard enough.
00:27:09 I know.
00:27:10 We're lazy as athletes.
00:27:11 We're lazy.
00:27:12 It takes somebody like that, though.
00:27:13 It takes somebody like that.
00:27:14 And then I asked him one question.
00:27:16 I'm in there playing guitar here.
00:27:17 I put it down here and there writing rap.
00:27:19 And I'm sitting there like, "Bro, what if basketball don't work out for you?"
00:27:22 Man, this man looked at me like I was Albert Einstein.
00:27:25 I was floating in his room.
00:27:26 "What you mean?
00:27:27 It's going to work for me?"
00:27:28 That's literally what he said to me.
00:27:30 And that switch in my head, I was like--
00:27:32 He was sure of it.
00:27:33 He going to make it, bro.
00:27:34 Because it's the work ethic he was putting in, and his mind was made up already.
00:27:38 He was in college.
00:27:39 Yeah, bro.
00:27:40 And I love to see that.
00:27:41 That's crazy.
00:27:42 At a mid-major, people don't have that mindset.
00:27:44 But enough about that.
00:27:46 Let's go on to the next thing, man.
00:27:47 I got to hear your opinion.
00:27:49 Top five handles.
00:27:51 Yeah, top five.
00:27:53 OK, so are we talking about moves?
00:27:55 Because that's--
00:27:56 Handles and league in general.
00:27:57 Handles and league, we going to keep it a--
00:27:59 OK, so we'll go handles.
00:28:01 So I got Kyrie.
00:28:04 You know, I watch Steph a lot.
00:28:07 I was about to say, I don't know if you're going to put him in there.
00:28:09 Steph him on.
00:28:10 He's got to be in mine, because his moves don't look as nice as a lot of guys,
00:28:15 but his control is excellent.
00:28:18 There you go.
00:28:19 It's excellent.
00:28:20 It's crazy.
00:28:21 Are we talking about present?
00:28:22 Just in the league, yeah.
00:28:23 So present in the league.
00:28:25 I don't want to go over the span of forever, because you know people going to have their--
00:28:29 This is tough.
00:28:30 Hardest control is very good, but I don't know if I'd say he has the best handles.
00:28:34 But he's up there.
00:28:38 For lack-- I'm going to just throw him up there.
00:28:41 Three.
00:28:43 Dang, who else is it?
00:28:44 He threw me on the spot with that one.
00:28:45 So I'm thinking--
00:28:47 I can give you one.
00:28:48 Oh, give me one.
00:28:49 Bones Holler.
00:28:50 I was just going down the names.
00:28:52 Yeet, man.
00:28:53 OK, so I'm going to throw-- because you know what I got put on with Bones Holler?
00:28:57 He was a kid.
00:28:58 And it's like this little video.
00:28:59 It's just like a hood--
00:29:00 Really?
00:29:01 Hood-ass video.
00:29:02 He's going crazy.
00:29:03 Yo, yo, yo, yo.
00:29:04 In his face.
00:29:05 Nice.
00:29:06 Oh, my God.
00:29:07 [INAUDIBLE]
00:29:10 He in the middle of the road.
00:29:11 He from Philadelphia.
00:29:12 Wherever he's from, there's girls out there dancing.
00:29:14 It's like a movie or something.
00:29:16 Dude's shooting dice on one side, and he's just going, playing one on one.
00:29:21 I'm like, oh, he's going to make it.
00:29:23 I was sitting with my friend.
00:29:24 I'm like, oh, he's a basketball player.
00:29:26 And sure enough, he made it.
00:29:28 What college did he go to?
00:29:29 I don't even know.
00:29:30 I didn't know him until he got to the Clippers this first year.
00:29:32 Oh, no.
00:29:33 And he was snatching and yanking and hesitant.
00:29:35 He could dribble the ball.
00:29:36 Give me another one.
00:29:37 I'll tell you, yea or nay.
00:29:40 That was my three.
00:29:41 I had Kyrie, Steph, and Bones Highland.
00:29:43 Oh, that's tough, man.
00:29:44 That's very tough.
00:29:45 Because in a league, not a lot of people get that leeway.
00:29:49 Yeah, I know.
00:29:50 That's true.
00:29:51 Who?
00:29:52 Darius Garland.
00:29:53 Oh, Darius.
00:29:54 That was nasty.
00:29:55 He top three.
00:29:56 I'm top three.
00:29:57 He top three.
00:29:58 All right, so let me tell you a story about Darius.
00:30:00 So I was coaching for the Adidas team that would go out to Europe.
00:30:04 EuroLeague?
00:30:05 No, not EuroLeague.
00:30:06 EuroCup?
00:30:07 I can't remember.
00:30:08 It was an Adidas event.
00:30:09 Zion was hurt.
00:30:10 He couldn't play.
00:30:11 Cam Redders was on the team.
00:30:12 What's the dude with the crazy--Nasir Little.
00:30:18 Or Reed?
00:30:19 Nasir?
00:30:20 Reed.
00:30:21 No, no.
00:30:22 Nasir Little?
00:30:23 Yeah.
00:30:24 It's two.
00:30:25 I knew it was two.
00:30:26 He was there, too.
00:30:27 Oh, okay.
00:30:28 Lou Dort.
00:30:29 It was a male quickly.
00:30:30 It was also Darius Garland.
00:30:31 So we get up, and I'm coaching, right?
00:30:32 We get up in layup lines.
00:30:33 And so I'm playing defense, but my competitive juices kicked in, so I'm like, "I'm just talking
00:30:38 shit.
00:30:39 Slide in front of people.
00:30:40 That ain't gonna work."
00:30:41 So Darius Garland, he got up to the front line.
00:30:45 He's kind of like a really goofy guy.
00:30:47 And he's just kind of all just running around doing his thing, and I'm sitting in front
00:30:52 of him.
00:30:53 At the three point, he's tagging me from the half court.
00:30:54 You know how hard that is, Garland.
00:30:55 Somebody run at you.
00:30:56 Facts.
00:30:57 It felt like a gust of wind blew by me.
00:30:59 And I was one way, he was the other, and I didn't know what he did.
00:31:04 So I'm like, "Come on, man."
00:31:06 So second time I come around, he did it again.
00:31:09 I'm like, "Oh, yeah, he's the real deal."
00:31:11 So we were playing, this is when the jelly fam was going crazy, right?
00:31:15 So you had JQ, Javon Quinterly, right?
00:31:19 He's playing.
00:31:21 Him or Darius Garland and Quickly were easily the best players.
00:31:26 They dominated, but nobody could stop Garland, bro.
00:31:30 His bag different.
00:31:31 Because you know how you play overseas, they're moving the ball, they're playing extra help.
00:31:35 It looked like he was still playing on the street.
00:31:38 He was crossing everybody like bad and laying people out of the basket.
00:31:42 Dudes were just looking at their coaches like, "That's when you know you got him when they
00:31:45 do one of these."
00:31:46 I tried, I got a hand up.
00:31:48 But long story short, he's definitely up there.
00:31:51 And he's probably in my three.
00:31:52 He's top three for me.
00:31:53 He definitely replaces Harden.
00:31:55 I tried to get him in a drew.
00:31:56 I tried to get him in a drew.
00:31:57 That's my guy.
00:31:58 We talk from time to time.
00:31:59 He's good.
00:32:00 Guy gang.
00:32:01 I tried to get him in a drew so bad.
00:32:02 And he's fast.
00:32:03 He has everything.
00:32:04 Hezzy, behind the backs.
00:32:05 You know who I would have thrown in there as my fifth?
00:32:07 Who?
00:32:08 SGA.
00:32:09 Oh, man.
00:32:10 I would have threw that.
00:32:11 I just don't know, I don't watch enough SGA.
00:32:13 He's over Harden to me.
00:32:15 He's over Harden to me.
00:32:17 Everything is so calm.
00:32:18 It's tough.
00:32:19 Smooth.
00:32:20 He got everything.
00:32:21 And is his shoulders made of steel?
00:32:23 He's 6'8".
00:32:24 He's 6'8".
00:32:25 He's 6'8"?
00:32:26 He's 6'6" plus.
00:32:27 He's 6'6" plus, I'm sure.
00:32:28 I don't know.
00:32:29 I just know he's taller.
00:32:30 Everything he does just looks too easy.
00:32:31 And he plays bigger.
00:32:32 He's got a smooth game.
00:32:33 He plays bigger.
00:32:34 He'll shift you.
00:32:35 And his pace is unbelievable.
00:32:36 He's got a weird shot, but it goes in.
00:32:37 So you can't really stop.
00:32:38 He's up there.
00:32:39 He's like four for me.
00:32:40 So I'd be like, "Who's your five?"
00:32:41 That's what it would be.
00:32:42 It would be Kyrie, Steph, Von Tylan, Darius, and Steve.
00:32:43 That's what it would be.
00:32:44 That's what it would be.
00:32:45 That's what it would be.
00:32:46 That's what it would be.
00:32:47 That's what it would be.
00:32:48 That's what it would be.
00:32:49 That's what it would be.
00:32:50 That's what it would be.
00:32:51 That's what it would be.
00:32:52 That's what it would be.
00:32:53 That's what it would be.
00:32:54 That's what it would be.
00:32:55 That's what it would be.
00:32:56 That's what it would be.
00:32:57 That's what it would be.
00:32:58 That's what it would be.
00:32:59 That's what it would be.
00:33:00 That's what it would be.
00:33:01 That's what it would be.
00:33:02 That's what it would be.
00:33:03 That's what it would be.
00:33:04 That's what it would be.
00:33:05 That's what it would be.
00:33:06 That's what it would be.
00:33:07 That's what it would be.
00:33:08 That's what it would be.
00:33:09 That's what it would be.
00:33:10 We getting people with the same moves too.
00:33:12 Crazy.
00:33:13 Left to right different.
00:33:14 What?
00:33:15 Top five mixtapes ever.
00:33:17 Okay, so out of respect, I'm going to throw John Wall up there.
00:33:23 Out of respect because he kind of like started the whole thing off, in my opinion, and really
00:33:28 got it going.
00:33:29 So there's John Wall, all of Brandon Jennings' summer mixtapes.
00:33:35 I don't think people realize how different he was.
00:33:37 It's nasty.
00:33:38 Shout out to Brandon Jennings.
00:33:39 Yeah.
00:33:40 And he's not playing anymore, but he's ... Bro, his mixtapes were nasty.
00:33:45 I played him in high school.
00:33:47 Yeah.
00:33:48 Destroyed us.
00:33:49 Yeah, he's good.
00:33:50 It wasn't even close.
00:33:51 Just left handed, athletic.
00:33:52 He's sneaky athletic.
00:33:53 People didn't know that.
00:33:54 Middies, three balls.
00:33:55 That's true.
00:33:56 You got to throw a Kill Car up there because he just is so short doing all that what he
00:34:02 did, but it's almost like a tie with him and Trey Jefferson because I watch Trey and Trey
00:34:07 Jefferson every game he was going for 40.
00:34:11 And I was filming it.
00:34:12 So I didn't know what to expect.
00:34:14 It was the first game I was filming.
00:34:15 I didn't even know who he was.
00:34:17 He's playing with Kevin Looney and every game he's going for 40 and everybody's trying to
00:34:22 stop him.
00:34:23 One game, they pull up on ... I come to him because he's not playing good and I'm talking
00:34:28 to his teammates and they're warming up for the second half.
00:34:31 I'm like, "Hey, what's going on with Trey?"
00:34:33 They're like, "Don't worry.
00:34:34 He's going to have 40."
00:34:35 He's like eight and ended with 47.
00:34:39 He's playing against the best competition.
00:34:42 That's almost a tie.
00:34:43 I'm going to just move on from there.
00:34:45 Then I got Marcus LeVette.
00:34:48 You pick a mixtape.
00:34:49 Whoever mixtape he had a crazy one.
00:34:52 He was good.
00:34:53 High school, he was amazing.
00:34:57 You know, this is not popular opinion, but Andrew Wiggins had a really crazy mixtape.
00:35:03 His was fire.
00:35:04 His was nasty.
00:35:05 His was fire.
00:35:06 Oh my gosh.
00:35:07 I didn't know he was that athletic.
00:35:08 What?
00:35:09 He was crazy athletic.
00:35:10 He could move too.
00:35:12 You thought he was Jesus with the basketball in high school because I watched him play
00:35:15 and he actually was doing that.
00:35:17 It looked like his mix because he was just so much more athletic and then he's hard to
00:35:21 score on too.
00:35:22 So Eric, you try to mix up.
00:35:23 Even if you get him a little bit ... Oh, got a hand up.
00:35:27 I say if it wasn't for him, Goose Tate wouldn't have won that championship.
00:35:29 No, of course not.
00:35:30 The last one, no way.
00:35:31 No way.
00:35:32 He was such a good guy.
00:35:33 He was guarding everybody.
00:35:34 Everybody, and he was giving you 20 plus a night.
00:35:36 Tatum couldn't score on him.
00:35:38 He couldn't score on him.
00:35:40 He was different.
00:35:41 But, well, okay.
00:35:42 Give me your top three.
00:35:44 I didn't watch mixtapes.
00:35:45 What?
00:35:46 Didn't watch mixtapes.
00:35:47 They had to be like ... The people I used to watch was like Jordan Covey.
00:35:50 That's what I watched.
00:35:51 I watched that stuff.
00:35:52 I didn't really watch ... I wasn't into high school, college basketball back then.
00:35:56 It wasn't my thing because I didn't enjoy basketball like that.
00:35:59 I was on it.
00:36:00 I was on all that stuff.
00:36:01 And there's a reason why, too, because I was getting into editing.
00:36:06 That's the main reason I was like, "Oh, man."
00:36:08 And that's the space you should be in at that time.
00:36:09 I was learning.
00:36:10 I was learning all that stuff.
00:36:12 What year was that?
00:36:13 He can tell you better, but it had to have been from 2010 on.
00:36:18 And, yeah, Gordon had a good mixtape, too.
00:36:21 I just bounced back to Cal State LA.
00:36:24 I wasn't watching no basketball.
00:36:25 Are you a Kobe guy?
00:36:26 Yeah.
00:36:27 Okay, I'm a Kobe guy.
00:36:28 I give Kobe credit for making, working out a good thing.
00:36:33 Who's your top three ever?
00:36:34 I give you my top three.
00:36:35 I'm a Jordan.
00:36:36 No, I go.
00:36:37 No problem.
00:36:38 Jordan, Kobe.
00:36:39 Oh, thank you.
00:36:40 I like that.
00:36:41 I like that because I hate that they don't put Kobe in the top three.
00:36:42 You're crazy.
00:36:43 You're crazy.
00:36:44 It's just stupid.
00:36:45 He was imitating ... Immediately he was imitating Jordan and he won five championships.
00:36:56 If you just look at him playing basketball, it's like ...
00:36:59 Unbelievable.
00:37:00 Yeah, he's unbelievable.
00:37:01 People don't realize that he had a handle.
00:37:03 He had everything.
00:37:04 Pass to the basket.
00:37:05 Everything.
00:37:06 And look, I'm not saying this because he passed away.
00:37:09 I was saying this when he was alive.
00:37:11 So I got to out of respect because I'm not necessarily LeBron guy, but I have a huge
00:37:17 respect for LeBron, but he's number three on my list.
00:37:20 But if you mix those up, but if you ain't got Kobe in your top five, do not talk to
00:37:24 me.
00:37:25 Do not talk to me.
00:37:26 I'm not a guy who puts bigs in their top five normally.
00:37:33 When Bill Russell was winning, how many teams were in the league?
00:37:36 But I didn't watch him.
00:37:38 So I can't necessarily put ...
00:37:39 Same, same.
00:37:40 I didn't watch him.
00:37:41 I can't even go ...
00:37:42 I watch my dad.
00:37:43 Of course, if you go in my dad's garage right now, there's a wall full of VHS of their Laker
00:37:50 games.
00:37:51 We used to record them.
00:37:52 I never missed one growing up.
00:37:53 And so I watched Magic because my dad recorded them.
00:37:57 So I know that he belongs in the top ... If you don't have him in your top five all the
00:38:01 time, he's got to be top five point guards because I watch how good he is.
00:38:06 The fifth one is just whoever you want to put in there.
00:38:09 There's a lot of good players.
00:38:10 I know, right?
00:38:11 I toggle between ...
00:38:12 Then I'm okay with a Kareem.
00:38:13 I toggle between ... I'm sorry, I'm not a Kareem guy.
00:38:15 I toggle between Shaq and Tim Duncan a lot for that fifth spot.
00:38:18 Shaq was unstoppable, but I just watched Shaq get killed by Elijah Warren too much.
00:38:23 It was getting worked out.
00:38:24 I wouldn't put a Shaq below Elijah Warren on my all-time list.
00:38:28 Shaq is like six or seven to me, but if you're talking about dominant, I'm okay with him
00:38:34 being five.
00:38:35 Who's your other one?
00:38:36 I was just watching ... It was Shaq or Tim Duncan.
00:38:39 Tim is a tough one.
00:38:41 I love Timmy, man.
00:38:42 He did no wrong.
00:38:43 Did no wrong.
00:38:44 Yeah.
00:38:45 He got some good questions today.
00:38:46 This is the first one?
00:38:47 What?
00:38:48 This is your first podcast?
00:38:49 Yeah, it's my first one.
00:38:50 Oh, yeah, it's going great, because you got some good questions.
00:38:53 It's spicy.
00:38:54 Top five favorite high school hoopers.
00:38:57 Okay, so like I said, Trey Jefferson, beyond ... I watched him.
00:39:06 That's number one on the list.
00:39:08 I watched Marcus LeVette as I was making a documentary about a kid, and he killed him.
00:39:15 Marcus killed this kid.
00:39:16 It was embarrassing.
00:39:17 It was embarrassing.
00:39:18 But, yeah, he got a couple bucks in there.
00:39:21 But Marcus is number two.
00:39:24 I watched ... Zion was a really fun watch when I went.
00:39:28 He just had a really good game.
00:39:31 This is random, but I played against Monta Ellis, and it was like trying to guard a fast
00:39:39 moving ... I couldn't touch him.
00:39:41 And I was in ninth grade.
00:39:42 He was in 12th.
00:39:43 I couldn't do nothing when he was a ... But it was fun just watching him and guarding
00:39:46 him.
00:39:47 I think that's another player that a lot of people don't talk about is Monta.
00:39:49 He was different, bro.
00:39:51 He was so good.
00:39:52 Who else?
00:39:53 I've been to ... You know, there was a time where Greg Alden was, I think he was the best
00:39:58 player in his class, and Mike Conley and all these guys, and I watched them play against
00:40:03 some species or something.
00:40:05 But O.J.
00:40:06 Mayo was absolutely dominant.
00:40:09 He didn't miss a shot.
00:40:10 I don't think people realize he was as nice as he was.
00:40:13 You know why he dominated so much too is because he was skilled more than people were at that
00:40:18 age, and he was able to shoot.
00:40:20 So a lot of kids growing up in our generation-
00:40:23 Yeah, dunk everything.
00:40:24 We would dunk everything.
00:40:25 If you had handles and bounce, you were looked at as the best thing in the world.
00:40:29 But we didn't think about what Steph is doing.
00:40:32 We couldn't ... So everybody was just ... I'm looking at Baron Davis.
00:40:36 I'm looking at Steve Francis.
00:40:37 I'm looking at all these dudes who had handles and bounce.
00:40:40 Yeah, they could shoot, but what made them fun was that.
00:40:43 So when I saw it, man ...
00:40:45 That's what messed up a lot of our brains.
00:40:47 O.J. Mayo was unbelievable.
00:40:48 That's what messed up a lot of our brains.
00:40:50 All the highlights and all the dunking.
00:40:51 It cooked us, bro.
00:40:52 It cooked us.
00:40:53 It's great that it showed us somebody going for 10 straight threes.
00:40:56 No, I didn't care about none of that.
00:40:58 Yeah, nobody did.
00:40:59 I didn't care about none of that.
00:41:00 I wanted to defend and cross you back up.
00:41:02 Cross you one time, bring it back, and do it again.
00:41:05 I was like, "What was I doing, man?
00:41:06 I was just getting my thumb.
00:41:07 I just go to the basket."
00:41:08 I'm pissed off watching you.
00:41:11 I had to learn to simplify my game after, too.
00:41:14 I used to do a lot of that.
00:41:15 I still do it from time to time because I be having too much fun.
00:41:17 It's fine.
00:41:18 But yeah, I had to learn to simplify that for sure.
00:41:21 That's a great one, Sabir.
00:41:23 Top five players you'd love to train with or have trained with.
00:41:27 I would love to train with Kobe.
00:41:29 I think great greatness is an infinite growth.
00:41:31 Every single day, are you getting better and better and better?
00:41:33 Are you constantly growing?
00:41:35 The reason why is because I'm a deep practice guy.
00:41:40 What that means is some people go to something and they do this.
00:41:44 They work on dribbling.
00:41:45 They work on shooting.
00:41:46 They work on rebounding or whatever.
00:41:48 Whatever they work on.
00:41:49 Kobe, the stories I hear about him, he will work on the same thing over and over and over.
00:41:55 Greatness is not a destination.
00:41:56 I think it's a process, more so than anything.
00:41:58 If you have that mentality, then you'll continually chase greatness.
00:42:01 He spent 45 minutes in one spot.
00:42:03 I know some of the guys that he trained with.
00:42:05 I just thought that was the coolest thing because now I process that differently.
00:42:09 I'm learning the guitar.
00:42:12 I take one hour, turn my phone off, deep practice, and I keep track.
00:42:17 Sometimes I film myself just to see where I'm at.
00:42:20 In that process of understanding that you'll never truly achieve it, but you'll keep getting
00:42:23 better every single day.
00:42:25 You'll continually strive to reach your fullest potential.
00:42:28 I think that process and that journey is what greatness is.
00:42:31 I'm like, "Okay, the deep practice is where I'm really ... Instead of trying to learn
00:42:36 this and learn that and then go to piano, just focus on one thing.
00:42:40 Just focus on your three-point shot for a whole month.
00:42:42 Imagine where you'd be at the end of that month.
00:42:45 You know what I'm saying?
00:42:47 Kobe's one of them.
00:42:49 Another person is Steph.
00:42:51 I would love to train with Steph.
00:42:53 He got a lot of funky drills.
00:42:56 Dane is one.
00:43:00 You know what's funny too?
00:43:02 Back then I wouldn't want to do that.
00:43:03 Now I'm in a mindset because I just like passing that information down to kids.
00:43:07 I train a lot of kids.
00:43:11 It's kind of funny, but Elijah won.
00:43:13 Yeah, man.
00:43:14 His footwork is crazy.
00:43:15 Yeah, it's because of footwork.
00:43:17 People still go to him for footwork.
00:43:19 That's how unbelievable he was.
00:43:21 He was unbelievable.
00:43:22 That's right.
00:43:23 I don't have a fifth person that I could think about, to be honest with you.
00:43:28 Darren Garland, just how fun he is.
00:43:33 Oh, try this move.
00:43:34 Backwards.
00:43:35 Yeah, bro.
00:43:36 It would be nice to see you do this in the game.
00:43:38 Let's try this.
00:43:39 For sure.
00:43:40 Like I said, I talked to him already.
00:43:41 He's just a great kid.
00:43:43 Great dude.
00:43:44 Most people we've talked to about Ted have just been great people.
00:43:47 Let's get to a fun segment really quick.
00:43:50 Five things you'd bring to a deserted island.
00:43:52 Okay.
00:43:53 This is going to sound stupid, but water.
00:43:58 That's not stupid.
00:43:59 Because you can't drink ocean water.
00:44:00 That's smart.
00:44:01 That's not stupid.
00:44:02 You can't drink ocean water.
00:44:03 Look at the coconuts and cactuses and shit.
00:44:04 It's out.
00:44:05 No, no.
00:44:06 It's done.
00:44:07 It's a wrap.
00:44:08 I forgot how to make fire.
00:44:11 Dang.
00:44:14 I can't just bring ... I'll be living off the land, so hopefully there's some fruit there
00:44:18 because you can't bring anything like that.
00:44:20 It'll go bad, right?
00:44:21 I'll bring a fishing rod because I got to bring the fish in.
00:44:27 Water, a fishing rod, can't do anything with electricity.
00:44:31 Oh, this is a good one.
00:44:33 This is a good one.
00:44:34 You got me at two right now?
00:44:35 I don't like that.
00:44:38 I say this.
00:44:40 Your mentor is everything, and I would bring my guitar.
00:44:44 The reason why is because if I want to keep living, I need something to keep me going.
00:44:48 I need to be able to sing some songs and learn some songs, that type of stuff.
00:44:53 I bring something that kind of will entertain me.
00:44:55 I wouldn't bring a basketball, that's for sure.
00:44:57 Wouldn't bring books.
00:44:59 Nope.
00:45:00 If I were to bring a book, I can only bring one.
00:45:05 If I see you reading the same book.
00:45:07 Yeah, I can't.
00:45:08 No, no books.
00:45:09 I'm tapped out.
00:45:10 Give me two.
00:45:11 Fruit seeds.
00:45:12 Can I just bring one?
00:45:15 It depends.
00:45:16 I feel like I've never fruit seed shopped, so I'm just going to say fruit seeds.
00:45:22 Whatever that entails, I'm planting that shit.
00:45:25 What else?
00:45:26 I'm planting that shit.
00:45:27 That is a good one, man.
00:45:30 That's a good one.
00:45:31 That's a great question.
00:45:32 We need to eat.
00:45:33 We need to ... I just need to drink a glass of water.
00:45:34 You got water?
00:45:35 You got fish and raw for sea life?
00:45:36 I'm good on that.
00:45:37 You can do that.
00:45:38 I got my entertainment.
00:45:39 We can grow fruit.
00:45:40 Yeah, so we good with that.
00:45:41 I don't know that last one.
00:45:42 What you bringing?
00:45:43 Oh, oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:45:44 You got something?
00:45:45 I need something just in case I need to get rescued.
00:45:46 Am I stuck or did I go there on purpose?
00:45:47 Yeah, that's a good question.
00:45:48 I'm going to go with that.
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00:46:34 I don't like it.
00:46:35 You know why?
00:46:36 I hate it.
00:46:37 I hate it.
00:46:38 Do you know why?
00:46:39 Because it's grown to be toxic because people want to be people like you.
00:46:42 So they'll do anything in order to get in that spotlight, right?
00:46:48 And the thing is, I didn't get hit by hating on people.
00:46:50 And let me just stop you for a second.
00:46:52 I've never wanted any of this.
00:46:54 You can ask Ballsyphon, everybody, how much free content I done gave them.
00:46:57 I never asked.
00:46:58 All I did every day was go out there and play hard.
00:47:01 I promise you.
00:47:02 Everything else is just me competing.
00:47:03 But go ahead.
00:47:04 Go ahead.
00:47:05 Go ahead.
00:47:06 Yeah.
00:47:07 And so I see a lot of people, they feel like they have to put on this certain persona or
00:47:11 whatever.
00:47:12 And I get it because I'm a camera guy.
00:47:14 I've worked for Sirens.
00:47:15 I've worked for a lot of different people.
00:47:17 I did movie trailers.
00:47:19 So I get the drama behind it and what people want to watch.
00:47:23 I didn't have to do all that to get there.
00:47:25 So when I see it, I don't relate to it.
00:47:28 And I'm naturally kind of introverted.
00:47:30 I like being in my house.
00:47:31 I like being with my family.
00:47:32 So I don't need all this extra stuff.
00:47:35 There's a lot of people that start fights and they do this and they get up in people's
00:47:40 face.
00:47:41 Don't get up in my face.
00:47:42 I don't do well with that type of stuff.
00:47:43 So people know.
00:47:44 And I'll tell you ahead because I know that you're that type of person.
00:47:49 I've seen you doing that.
00:47:50 I'm like, "Hey, look.
00:47:51 I don't ... I can't.
00:47:52 I react weird like that."
00:47:53 You know what I'm saying?
00:47:54 I personally told Ballsyphon and myself, if I do get into it, somebody edit it out.
00:47:59 I don't want to be in there.
00:48:00 I don't want to be depicted as that.
00:48:01 I don't want to be depicted as that either.
00:48:02 It ain't even a vibe I want.
00:48:03 I don't want people showing up to our takeovers, our events, expecting that out of me because
00:48:07 that's not how I move.
00:48:08 So I get that.
00:48:09 You have to do the ... I don't like that they make you ... They mean an algorithm.
00:48:14 Oh, like, comment, subscribe, do all this.
00:48:17 It makes you ...
00:48:18 It's thirsty.
00:48:19 Yeah, I don't like being looked at.
00:48:21 That's why in my videos, it was always about inspiration.
00:48:24 I did Make-A-Wish foundations and literally granted a wish from a kid that's dead now.
00:48:30 You know, and so I didn't get to that point by hating or trying to bring down another
00:48:36 person.
00:48:38 And if I ever did, appearing to be that way, it was because I was angry at what I was seeing.
00:48:44 So I'm going to just burn all this stuff down.
00:48:47 But now I'm just like, "You know what?
00:48:49 I don't need this."
00:48:50 I feel like that's how everybody get done.
00:48:52 Anytime it's crazy or emotion heavy, as men, nine times out of 10, that's how we respond
00:48:58 to things.
00:48:59 We respond to things very egocentric, high testosterone.
00:49:03 We don't have a ...
00:49:04 I get being competitive, though.
00:49:05 Yeah, yeah.
00:49:06 100%.
00:49:07 I get being competitive, but I'm just seeing too much.
00:49:11 And I know a lot of people come up, "Hey, man, I really respect what you do, blah, blah,
00:49:15 blah."
00:49:16 And those same people would just be, "Oh, I killed them."
00:49:20 I'm like, "We didn't even play."
00:49:23 Ross, promise you this has happened multiple times.
00:49:25 I hear it all the time.
00:49:26 Somebody come to me like, "Hey, I heard you was getting killed by ..." I'm like, "I never
00:49:30 even met this dude."
00:49:31 And they be showing the TikTok.
00:49:33 I'm going, "I don't know this person."
00:49:35 I could really throw some names, or throw you for a loop right now.
00:49:39 Listen, I've had ... I ain't going to say no names.
00:49:42 I've had somebody coming to my house crying about different stuff, about what they experiencing.
00:49:47 And then that same person go to a game and cheer for me to lose.
00:49:50 At my house, on my couch.
00:49:53 It's a shit game.
00:49:54 Yeah, it's a shit game.
00:49:55 It's the shit you going through in life, and then you come to my game and want me to lose.
00:50:00 Mind blowing.
00:50:01 I had to just remove myself.
00:50:02 But ...
00:50:03 But meeting people like you and me ... Honestly, Nas from ...
00:50:07 I love him, man.
00:50:08 From Baller's Life.
00:50:09 Great guy.
00:50:10 He's cool.
00:50:11 Great kid.
00:50:12 Great kid.
00:50:13 He's cool.
00:50:14 He's young.
00:50:15 He's good, too.
00:50:16 Really good, bro.
00:50:17 Yeah, meeting people like that, I'm like, "Okay, I like where you're going.
00:50:19 I like where a few guys in this space are going."
00:50:23 I had a bunch of encounters where guys like Frigga and a few other guys.
00:50:28 He's a great storyteller.
00:50:29 Yeah, he's a great storyteller.
00:50:30 I like that you're ... But to my point, what you're saying is great, because I see how
00:50:36 hard he's working to do that type of stuff.
00:50:39 And he's learning.
00:50:40 He's asking me questions about editing.
00:50:41 And I love that he's taking this serious.
00:50:44 So when I see that, I'm like, "Okay, he's going in the right ... He's doing things right."
00:50:48 There's a list of other guys that are doing things right.
00:50:51 I'm just like, "Y'all got it."
00:50:53 But when I see these people coming up and trying to get a quick viral video, I'm like,
00:50:58 "Oh, no.
00:50:59 He ain't going to pay off."
00:51:00 He ain't going to pay off.
00:51:01 It ain't going to last.
00:51:02 It ain't going to last.
00:51:03 All right, then, since we just brought up a couple people, a question on the list.
00:51:06 Top five hoopers in the YouTube space right now.
00:51:09 No bias, no glazing.
00:51:14 You're the biggest winner.
00:51:16 Nah.
00:51:17 I'm the biggest winner, but I think there's more talented people.
00:51:20 I'll give you the biggest winner.
00:51:23 I value winning.
00:51:24 I'm a Kobe guy.
00:51:25 I'm a Jordan guy.
00:51:26 So I'm going to give that ... Because this is what I got to go off of.
00:51:31 This is kind of going back to the top five thing.
00:51:33 I got to go off of, "How much have you won, and what are my eyes telling me?"
00:51:37 You know what I'm saying?
00:51:38 So not even trying to glaze or whatever, but I'll put you up there.
00:51:43 In terms of basketball, Nas is a really tough guard, bro.
00:51:48 He gave us hell.
00:51:49 So you preaching to the choir right now.
00:51:51 He's a tough guard.
00:51:52 When we played against him, it wasn't really the Savage Squad, but he played with them.
00:51:59 It was him and Juice.
00:52:00 He ran into me on a fast break.
00:52:02 I cut him off, too.
00:52:04 But the shoulder that I received from that, I'm like, "Oh, okay.
00:52:06 I got it now."
00:52:07 Because he kept trying to ... They call it foul, but he kept trying to go through me.
00:52:12 That's one thing.
00:52:13 Some people get bumped, and some people initiate that kind ... He was looking for it.
00:52:17 Nah, he liked contact.
00:52:18 Nas is way up there.
00:52:19 Shout out Big Guard, man.
00:52:20 Yeah, seriously, though.
00:52:21 I'm connected with Frigga.
00:52:22 I've seen him in a lot of different spaces.
00:52:23 I've competed against him for bread.
00:52:24 I'm going to put him in there.
00:52:25 And you know who I like?
00:52:26 And this is almost like a two-way tie.
00:52:27 It's not even because you're here.
00:52:28 I really like Ty and body back defensively.
00:52:29 Oh, damn man.
00:52:30 Yeah.
00:52:31 You make my job so much easier.
00:52:32 But Ty is inconsistent as a shooter, but when he's going, especially one-on-one, it's
00:52:36 hard to stop him.
00:52:37 I'm like, "Oh, man.
00:52:38 I'm going to get him."
00:52:39 I'm like, "Oh, man.
00:52:40 I'm going to get him."
00:52:41 I'm like, "Oh, man.
00:52:42 I'm going to get him."
00:52:48 I wish we had the audio from this.
00:52:52 I have to make him shoot the ball.
00:52:53 I have to make him take shots.
00:52:54 And he started going at Venice.
00:52:56 He started going early.
00:52:57 He did.
00:52:58 And then he did that in Drew, too, and subbed himself out.
00:53:01 Ty just don't have the stamina to keep going.
00:53:04 He'll sub himself out or he'll check out mentally because he's tired.
00:53:07 But I have to remind him, "Bro, score the ball.
00:53:09 Bro, you're so hard to guard.
00:53:10 You're 6'6".
00:53:11 You're so hard to guard."
00:53:12 And he's bouncy.
00:53:13 As hell, bro.
00:53:14 Go score the ball.
00:53:15 So them two defensively, they're tough to score.
00:53:20 I can just look and just tell.
00:53:23 I got to give you two more.
00:53:25 And I'm going to go off of somebody who I just like watching play.
00:53:29 And he's fun to watch.
00:53:30 He has a fun game.
00:53:31 His name is J. Lou.
00:53:32 He's fun for me to watch.
00:53:33 He played with Frigga, though.
00:53:34 Yeah, he's fun for me to watch.
00:53:35 Now, when we played, it was like, "All right.
00:53:36 He's a good guy.
00:53:37 He's a good guy.
00:53:38 He's a good guy."
00:53:39 But when we played, it was like, "All right.
00:53:41 He's a buck 30."
00:53:42 Oh, bro.
00:53:43 I ain't never seen that person.
00:53:46 But in terms of me just watching basketball, watching him, he's so much fun to watch, bro.
00:53:51 He got game.
00:53:52 So that's four.
00:53:53 He play like Bones Highland low kick.
00:53:56 Yeah, he does.
00:53:57 He does.
00:53:58 He's got the same type of game.
00:53:59 I'm trying to think of one more person.
00:54:02 Can't go that direction.
00:54:03 You'd probably laugh if I said that one.
00:54:05 Nah, who is it?
00:54:06 Go ahead.
00:54:07 No, no, no.
00:54:08 We're off camera.
00:54:09 We're off camera.
00:54:10 Off camera is crazy.
00:54:11 Yeah, because he's not...
00:54:12 I thought he was better.
00:54:13 Honestly, you know what?
00:54:14 I'm going to throw Hedgy out there.
00:54:15 Okay.
00:54:16 I'm going to throw Hedgy out there because as much as I can say, I don't like that Hedgy
00:54:23 doesn't play defense, but when he really turns up offensively, it's nuts.
00:54:30 Yeah, it's nothing you can do.
00:54:32 Yeah, it's nuts.
00:54:33 And he's like low key a really, really, really good finisher.
00:54:36 I don't think people understand how good of a finisher he is.
00:54:39 So, like, have you seen his...
00:54:42 If you guys are watching this, when you see Hedgy, look at his calves.
00:54:46 Oh, I tell him all the time, he got bad bitch calves.
00:54:49 I tell him all the time.
00:54:52 His calves are huge, bro.
00:54:54 So when you see him going through contact and finishing and the little slow steps, but
00:54:59 still getting up, I'm like, oh yeah.
00:55:00 Up and unders.
00:55:01 And it's weird because he's not athletic, but he'll jump like he's athletic.
00:55:05 Up and under.
00:55:06 Hedgy got game.
00:55:07 Yeah, Hedgy's got a lot of game.
00:55:08 So I would put him up there just out of respect.
00:55:11 Honestly, I didn't go in an order, but he's not fine, in my opinion.
00:55:16 Shout out to him.
00:55:18 100%.
00:55:19 Shout out to him for what he did in the big three.
00:55:23 He went crazy.
00:55:24 Yeah, man, because I was hearing what he did the year before when he tried out, but he
00:55:29 killed, but they didn't give him a spot.
00:55:31 And I try to tell people this all the time, man, is basketball is situational.
00:55:37 He went to a team that was the two-time champs.
00:55:40 He went to a team that was missing their best player.
00:55:42 He went to a team that didn't have a coach for three games.
00:55:45 So he got to be himself.
00:55:47 At the end of the day, bro, in basketball, that's all you want to be able to do is be
00:55:50 yourself.
00:55:51 100%.
00:55:52 How many people do you think will go crazy if the league let him off the bench?
00:55:56 All of them.
00:55:57 Think about Andrew Wiggins, though.
00:55:59 We always thought, a lot of people started thinking of him as a bust for a long time.
00:56:02 Yeah, that was crazy.
00:56:03 But he was lucky averaging like 16, 17, 20.
00:56:06 He goes to go to state, he's a champion.
00:56:08 And everybody's thinking, "Oh, he's the second best player on the team."
00:56:13 It's situational, right?
00:56:15 Some people go where there's a guy that just likes to have the basketball, he dribbles,
00:56:19 dribbles, but you're that same guy.
00:56:20 100%.
00:56:21 So you're not a catch-and-shoot guy, so it's not going to work.
00:56:24 So anyway, we can go all day about that, but that's my top five.
00:56:28 That's my top five.
00:56:29 All right.
00:56:30 The In The Lab versus West Coast game, what the hell happened?
00:56:32 Why didn't it happen?
00:56:33 So this is funny.
00:56:35 This is mainly because Matt and I.
00:56:38 Yes, it is.
00:56:39 I know it, but go ahead.
00:56:41 This is just a pride thing where Matt and I just like-
00:56:44 Peace, accountability, man.
00:56:45 I like that.
00:56:46 And then on top of that, I was going through my A-hole phase, so I'm like, "Maybe you should
00:56:51 go beat them.
00:56:52 Maybe you should go do this, and then we'll play."
00:56:57 And realistically, it's just like, "We should have just made it happen."
00:57:01 It's just basketball at the end of the day.
00:57:03 But me, I'm just like a content guy.
00:57:05 You assholes took some money out of our pockets.
00:57:07 Yeah, we did.
00:57:08 We did.
00:57:09 Because y'all was measuring.
00:57:10 You know what?
00:57:11 Go ahead.
00:57:12 Continue.
00:57:13 It's a lot of different things that we could talk about, but it should still happen, in
00:57:21 my opinion.
00:57:23 It can't happen for a while because dudes are starting to leave, which sucks.
00:57:26 I was about to say, yeah, no.
00:57:27 There's no more work.
00:57:28 There's no more work.
00:57:29 But here's what happened.
00:57:30 Here's what happened.
00:57:31 I'm a build-up guy because I watch a lot of boxing.
00:57:35 I love boxing.
00:57:36 Same.
00:57:37 And Matt does, too.
00:57:38 Same.
00:57:39 He loves boxing.
00:57:40 If you look at his Twitter, he's mainly talking about boxing and politics.
00:57:41 And so, you know Matt.
00:57:42 I've been to his office to play fight night with him.
00:57:47 Right.
00:57:48 So Mayweather and Pacquiao, Mayweather, Delahoya, they had a show called 24/7.
00:57:55 I love the build-up that they had.
00:57:57 So when Frigga and I played, I took the same model and just built it up until we played.
00:58:05 He's coming up YouTube and all this stuff, which is great.
00:58:08 He got in the comments and was talking crazy, right?
00:58:11 You know, saying there would be no competition.
00:58:13 We were making, we were having like five digit checks every month.
00:58:17 Like high five digit checks because of the build-up.
00:58:20 And then when we played, we made $100,000.
00:58:22 And I have to think about this.
00:58:25 We made $100,000 to play a one-on-one.
00:58:29 Pay-per-view.
00:58:30 And people paid.
00:58:31 And I'm not in the NBA.
00:58:33 So like the fact that you can do this, it's just like, oh, okay.
00:58:38 So we are, this is uncharted territory.
00:58:41 Oh, okay.
00:58:42 This is what happens when you work really hard and you actually like take stuff seriously
00:58:46 and you collab.
00:58:47 This is the right way to collab.
00:58:49 Because at first it would turn into like, at first it was like me and Freaker was just
00:58:53 having like this back and forth and it was kind of like toxic and I didn't like that.
00:58:57 And we both wouldn't even like that type of person.
00:58:59 So we reached out, started talking to each other.
00:59:01 Not even to sit too much on that.
00:59:03 To take it to the Mac thing, I was like, all right, we're just going to build this up.
00:59:07 But I think both our prides got in the way and things just didn't end up happening.
00:59:13 And you know, a lot of times it comes down to money.
00:59:16 It gotta make sense.
00:59:17 It does, and now I understand where Matt was coming from and it's just, we're so far from
00:59:24 that now.
00:59:25 But bitch, you know, at the end of the day, I just talk a lot of trash and it's fun to
00:59:30 me.
00:59:31 You're a troll, bro.
00:59:32 It's fun.
00:59:33 It's fun to me.
00:59:34 And it's just like, but if you meet me and we talk, it's like, cool.
00:59:37 I ain't got time to be doing that in person.
00:59:39 No, actually I do.
00:59:40 No, you do.
00:59:41 Let's be real.
00:59:42 But at the end of the day, man, I understand we're all humans and people got to make money.
00:59:46 And people got to raise families and you know, anyways.
00:59:50 I mean, it's all good.
00:59:51 All right, then, since we're talking about that, talk about when the B team beat the
00:59:56 West Coast team.
00:59:57 Okay, so that was a whole little situation.
01:00:04 And it's funny because you guys are being thrown in the fire, like the B team, the West
01:00:10 Coast team, because it's just Matt.
01:00:11 It's just Matt and I.
01:00:12 That's all it really was.
01:00:14 So that day you guys came up and you guys are already going.
01:00:19 You guys are already playing before we got there.
01:00:20 Yeah, it was.
01:00:21 It was.
01:00:22 We already had some games.
01:00:23 Yeah, I was playing.
01:00:24 When they played, that was the last game, wasn't it?
01:00:28 When we played the B team?
01:00:29 That was the second game.
01:00:30 But what I had done is we had some special guests.
01:00:35 And for me, thinking about it afterwards, I didn't like how things went.
01:00:41 And the reason why, because some of the guys on the B team give off that, when you first
01:00:47 meet them, they give off some of that weird energy that I don't like playing against.
01:00:51 So when I thought about that, it was like a week later and I'm doing all the reaction
01:00:55 video, I'm like, "Mm, I didn't like that."
01:00:59 Because here's my thing, I don't play in a lot of these type of things, in these situations,
01:01:04 and I don't put people like P and Don, I don't put them in certain situations.
01:01:09 If I know that they can get hurt playing against the wrong type of people, because ... And
01:01:15 you're the ultimate testament to this, because every time you step out, there's going to
01:01:20 be somebody that's just trying to prove a point.
01:01:23 And I'm thinking about it, and I'm seeing how you're winning, and I'm seeing a lot of
01:01:26 different things, and you're trying to make your way from basketball and the modeling
01:01:30 and all this other stuff.
01:01:32 I'm like, "I don't like how I did that.
01:01:35 I don't like it."
01:01:36 Because if you would have got hurt, I wouldn't have liked that.
01:01:40 There's a bunch of guys trying to prove themselves, and you just trying to be out there playing
01:01:45 basketball.
01:01:46 So I'm always able to take accountability for stuff like that.
01:01:51 But hopefully one day we can make it happen, because I know it'll be a good game.
01:01:55 Just the style that we play, with the style that you guys play, I know it'll be a good
01:01:59 match.
01:02:00 Yeah, same thing when it comes to playing.
01:02:01 Anytime I'm on the court, I just know what to expect now.
01:02:05 I've even had talks with Arc about how I want to approach games going forward, just so that
01:02:09 I don't get into the bickering matches and the egocentric stuff.
01:02:12 Because at the end of the day, I'm out there to just have fun and compete and make people
01:02:15 better.
01:02:16 That's how I grew up playing basketball.
01:02:17 So I'm trying to keep it that way.
01:02:19 And like you were saying, I got a band-aid on my face right now.
01:02:22 Shout out to Target, man, with the black people band-aids.
01:02:25 If y'all can't see it on there, I got one on.
01:02:27 But yeah, they messing up my face and my money makers.
01:02:30 So it's so much other stuff I'm doing where basketball ain't my thing.
01:02:34 That's a great spot to be in, though, that you're in.
01:02:39 And honestly, I don't even like to talk about myself, but the spot that I'm in, too, because
01:02:43 whenever I walk around, people are like, "I lock you up."
01:02:48 I'm like, "I'm just shopping for food.
01:02:51 What are you talking about?
01:02:52 I don't even know you."
01:02:53 But I like that because it's just like, look at what I've created.
01:02:59 And then on top of that, I hate to say this because I like to focus more on the positivity
01:03:05 and the negativity.
01:03:06 But when you're getting all these comments that have all this negativity, it's like,
01:03:10 I'm doing something right.
01:03:11 100%.
01:03:12 You know?
01:03:13 Because I didn't necessarily go the 5 on 5 route.
01:03:14 I took the ones.
01:03:15 And I beat up on a lot of people.
01:03:17 And I've lost in games, too.
01:03:18 Come on, bro.
01:03:19 Like, what are we talking about?
01:03:20 You're going to lose.
01:03:21 It can be anybody's day.
01:03:22 You're going to lose.
01:03:23 Yeah.
01:03:24 That's just the way it works.
01:03:25 Especially going to one game.
01:03:26 I don't even play ones, so shout out to you.
01:03:27 But ones is just too hard on my body.
01:03:28 So I'm chilling off it now.
01:03:29 You know, as much because it's just, if I don't know you, I'll probably want to
01:03:32 end play.
01:03:33 Because I know, if I go for a layup and you take me out, I'm going to turn around and
01:03:37 I'm going to have something to say.
01:03:38 Like, you know?
01:03:39 And I don't like being in that space no more.
01:03:41 I want to protect all the people that I'm around.
01:03:43 You know?
01:03:44 And that's crazy you said that because I got taken out three times in that West Coast
01:03:47 versus East Coast game.
01:03:48 But you know, everybody thought I shouldn't have did nothing.
01:03:49 But you know, we ain't going to go there.
01:03:51 I'm going to go ahead and breeze past that.
01:03:53 We're going to save that for a reaction video.
01:03:56 Last question.
01:03:58 Reacting to your mixtape, if me and you was to play each other 1v1 in our primes, what
01:04:05 that would look like?
01:04:06 Who's going to win?
01:04:07 Okay, so like, this is going to sound weird.
01:04:12 Anytime somebody starts a game like that.
01:04:13 It is.
01:04:14 It just is.
01:04:15 No, talk your shit.
01:04:16 We would have to play multiple games.
01:04:20 Yeah, 100%.
01:04:21 I've never played.
01:04:22 If I'm playing one, it's always best of five.
01:04:24 Because at my age for sure, you're talking about your knees, like I need a warm up.
01:04:28 I can't just go right into the game.
01:04:30 If we're just playing one game, up to 15, I might be cooked.
01:04:34 And the thing about it is, I know what happens when you hit a few shots.
01:04:38 You start feeling good.
01:04:39 And 1v1, we just told you, anything can happen.
01:04:41 I always like to give the height advantage, especially if you're quicker like yourself.
01:04:47 I give the advantage to the taller person.
01:04:50 Now me being a competitor, if I'm stepping away from the analyst part, me being a competitor,
01:04:55 it all depends if I'm getting shots.
01:04:57 Because I've been beating up on a lot of people, and it's because of my threes.
01:05:03 It's kind of hard to push up like that on people like us.
01:05:05 If I ain't loose, I ain't finishing at the rim or nothing.
01:05:10 So I'm just being honest with you, bro.
01:05:13 I ain't going down there.
01:05:14 I don't got a good sweat.
01:05:15 But I think that's one of those things.
01:05:17 It's just nice to ... It's the what if.
01:05:20 I don't know if you guys keep up with Marvel.
01:05:22 It's the what if.
01:05:23 Everybody do that.
01:05:24 I'm talking what ifs or don'ts.
01:05:25 What if Kobe or Jordan was in a prime or whoever else, Magic Garden stuff.
01:05:30 These are fun conversations.
01:05:31 They are.
01:05:32 I love having top five talks.
01:05:34 I love having ... We go back and forth.
01:05:37 I love those.
01:05:38 It's barbershop talk.
01:05:39 And if you don't understand that, you don't understand the culture.
01:05:42 Nope, at all.
01:05:43 You don't.
01:05:44 And there's no way that you ever will if you can't get that.
01:05:46 100%.
01:05:47 Anyways, maybe we'll find out one day, maybe not.
01:05:49 But either way, I think it was great that ...
01:05:53 I'm out.
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