"It was the AFP who recommended he become a sniper and a suicide bomber", said the Greens senator when cross-examining the Australian Federal Police's Ian McCartney, during the sitting of the Joint Committee on Law Enforcement, on February 5, 2024.
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00:00 The radicalisation was happening as a result of the actions of your own officers.
00:04 Do you accept the magistrate's finding?
00:08 Listen, we acknowledge the magistrate's finding. We accept the finding.
00:11 But you're radicalising the kids. You're radicalising a 13 year old boy with autism.
00:17 Has anyone been held to account? Have you been held to account?
00:21 Has the undercover operatives been held to account? Has anyone been held to account?
00:26 So just in relation to that question, it was not our position, not our intent to...
00:30 You didn't.
00:31 If you can let me finish the question, Senator.
00:33 The person was on the path of radicalisation long before we became involved,
00:39 long before Victoria Police came involved.
00:41 It was the AFP who recommended he become a sniper and a suicide bomber.
00:45 It was the AFP who put that in his mind. A 13 year old boy with autism with an IQ of 71.
00:53 Is anyone held to account for this? This is obscene abuse, obscene abuse of power and authority.
00:58 That was not our intent and not our purpose.
01:01 It's what you did.
01:02 Senator, it wasn't our intent in terms of the actions.
01:04 It's what you did.
01:05 So in terms of you following up from that question,
01:08 there's a range of reviews that are happening in relation to this matter.
01:11 More than happy...
01:13 Shameful.
01:13 More than happy to come back before...
01:15 As a matter of transparency and confidence,
01:17 I'm more than happy to come back before this committee and take you through the reviews.
01:20 You're here with no consequences.
01:22 They're out there with no consequences.
01:24 No one's held to account.
01:25 We're going to move on.
01:27 Senator Shubridge, your time has expired.
01:30 Nothing has happened.
01:32 Any further questions?
01:33 [BLANK_AUDIO]