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- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Nayyar Hussain Bukhari PPP
- Dr Javed Akram (Caretaker Punjab Health Minister)
"We should not be considered independent," Salman Akram Raja on PTI candidates
Un ke Koi Hesiyat Nahi Hai Party Ke Andar. .., Salman Akram Raja Ka Akbar s Babar Ke Liye Bara Bayan
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- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Nayyar Hussain Bukhari PPP
- Dr Javed Akram (Caretaker Punjab Health Minister)
"We should not be considered independent," Salman Akram Raja on PTI candidates
Un ke Koi Hesiyat Nahi Hai Party Ke Andar. .., Salman Akram Raja Ka Akbar s Babar Ke Liye Bara Bayan
Punjab Ka Badalta Howa Siyasi Manzar Nama, Naraaz Voter Kis Ko Vote Day Ga, Nayyar Bukhari
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maryam Aiman. Today we will talk about the landmark decision of the PTI Senator Bilawal Bhutto.
00:27 The political management before the election is getting very interesting. We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:33 In the end, in 2024, the children of this country are dying of pneumonia. How disturbing is this? We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:41 But let's start. A statement by the International Court has been released on Israeli public opinion.
00:45 It is not about stopping the genocide in Gaza, but experts from all over the country say that keeping the war crimes of Israel on record is a landmark decision.
01:03 What is said in this decision? The decision says that it is in the knowledge that human remains are being born in Gaza.
01:09 In the Israeli attacks in Gaza, a large number of civilian infrastructure was destroyed. Many authorities of the United Nations have also issued statements on Gaza.
01:17 South Africa accused Israel of operating against the Geneva side. South Africa has issued Israeli documents on the Geneva side.
01:26 The Gaza issue is a continuous source of life-threatening damage. Apparently, a case can be filed against Israel. A case against Israel can be filed against South Africa.
01:39 The International Court is rejecting the request of Israel. The International Court has the right to hear the request of South Africa.
01:46 20 million people in Gaza are suffering from psychological and physical pain. The Israeli authorities have stated that they will provide water to Gaza, but no food.
01:56 In January, the Israeli Prime Minister said that this war will continue. Under the Geneva side convention, Israel will take immediate action to stop the genocide in Gaza.
02:06 The International Court has requested the request of South Africa to issue a report on the genocide in Gaza in one month.
02:16 We will see how much this judgment will affect the Israeli government. Will Israel and its genocide enablers move forward crying over this judgment?
02:27 Will the genocide in Gaza end? The world is not hopeful. However, there has been a major ideological victory in the Gaza issue.
02:42 The political situation in Pakistan is getting worse. Salman Akram Raja has petitioned the court to recognize him as a candidate for the PTA.
03:02 The petition is important because if the court settles the issue of horse trading, the door to horse trading will be closed.
03:17 Salman Akram Raja has petitioned the court to recognize him as a candidate for the PTA.
03:37 The two-way bench in the court of Justice Ali Waqar Najfi has sent a request to the Election Commission for a re-election.
03:47 The Election Commission will issue a complaint and will consider the request and will issue a decision according to the law.
03:57 The PTA has also sent a request to the Supreme Court to review the case.
04:17 Parvez Khattak has also made similar claims.
04:24 We are waiting for the results of the elections. We have a lot of friends who are fighting for freedom.
04:34 They will join us as soon as the elections are held. We have a lot of electable friends.
04:44 They have understood that we can win the elections and they will join us.
04:52 The IPP has also made similar claims.
05:04 Many people will fight for independence. Will they also join us?
05:09 Yes, they can.
05:10 Will they join the party?
05:11 Yes, they can.
05:12 We have a lot of friends who are with us.
05:14 They are with us now.
05:15 Yes, they are with us now.
05:16 Many of them may join us.
05:19 Salman Akham Rajan is with us now. He is campaigning for a re-election.
05:25 The PTA has sent a request to the Election Commission for a re-election.
05:32 What will be the decision of the Election Commission for a re-election?
05:37 Did you expect that the case will be settled by the court?
05:41 Yes, we expected that and we think that the case should be settled by the court.
05:49 There is an explanation for the Rule 94.
05:55 It states that if a party does not get a symbol, the candidates will be considered free.
06:03 Our request is that the party members and the party getting a symbol are two different cases.
06:10 If the party is present, then I am a party member.
06:13 And if I am a party member, then why am I being considered free?
06:17 Just because you did not give a symbol to the party in relation to the intra-party election.
06:23 These are two different cases which have been made a mess through rule-making.
06:29 This Election Act is also against Article 2017 and even more so, the Article 17 of the Constitution is also against it.
06:35 We have started by stating that I am a member and a candidate of the PTI.
06:42 I have filed a ticket from the PTI and the PTI has approved it before and now again.
06:48 So, why am I being considered free and hopeful in the presence of all these people?
06:53 I think this is a matter of primary importance and a primary question.
06:58 And of course, it will have a political and negative impact if so many people who have voted for the PTI are considered free.
07:08 So, this case has been sent to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
07:11 Do you think that this case will be settled in the courts?
07:16 We will see if this will be a ping-pong and the case will be settled in the courts.
07:20 I don't think that the High Court will give a decision on the rule-making to the Election Commission.
07:32 So, we will definitely go to the Election Commission but we will also go to the Supreme Court regarding this decision.
07:39 I have made you listen to all these statements.
07:42 There is a desire for IPP and a desire for People's Party.
07:45 So, you think that the KP has the same formula and the coalition government will be formed after the participation of these free people.
07:54 First of all, can the 62-63 definition be applied to other communities after the election?
08:04 Can they participate in it?
08:06 Where are you legally standing on this?
08:08 Because many legal experts think that there is a delusion in this.
08:11 That the case will be interpreted only after the election.
08:15 This is not a clear case.
08:17 We request that we should not be considered free.
08:23 Article 63(a) states that you cannot defect from your party.
08:32 If you do, your term ends.
08:36 So, this is a plan to free us from all these issues.
08:43 And the politicians that you have mentioned, I think that they do not have a good intention to break free hopefuls and to get them.
08:53 And if they point to the elected members of the PTI, who will be elected, then this is even more shameful.
09:02 This is a very unpleasant situation that has arisen due to the snatch of the mark.
09:10 This election that is going to take place on 8th February, in the history of Pakistan,
09:14 it is already visible that it will be the most unpleasant election.
09:19 Whatever happens that day, this election has already been drawn not only by doubt but also by its soul.
09:26 But we are still fighting.
09:28 I want to stay on the legal point.
09:30 Because there are two possibilities.
09:32 One possibility is that when you go to court, it should be decided that since you are a candidate for justice,
09:39 but since there is no symbol, you should be recognized and considered as their candidate.
09:47 The second option is that the mark should not be accepted.
09:52 Then there will be free hopefuls in that case.
09:55 Then what will be the situation after that?
09:57 Is there clarity in the results?
10:00 Yes, there is clarity after that.
10:02 If a person is free, he can join any party.
10:06 Here the debate will be whether the free people who are being considered,
10:11 after being elected, can form a group with regard to the PTI and declare themselves a party,
10:18 a parliamentary party within the parliament.
10:21 There can be some debate on this, whether this is possible or not.
10:25 But we will try that if the rest of our opinions are not accepted,
10:28 then we will declare ourselves a PTI parliamentary party within the parliament as a group.
10:34 I saw that you have taken an oath, Mr. Mianzar is also taking an oath,
10:39 are you all candidates?
10:40 Is this a matter of legal or political allegiance?
10:44 Will there be any legal standing when this matter will go ahead?
10:47 What is this matter of taking an oath?
10:49 See, the oath is being taken because it is a insistence that we are free and not bound by any system.
10:58 So when we go in front of the voter, the PTI voter, Imran Khan's voter,
11:03 so there is a question from their side, or even if there is not,
11:07 then a threat is seen in their conversation.
11:11 So I thought it was necessary to answer that.
11:14 I have made it completely clear in my own reference.
11:16 And I think it is a good trick that the way the oath is taken in our country,
11:21 the oath should be taken in that way and people should be assured that
11:24 if we win the election by the vote of the PTI, then we will come under the PTI.
11:29 So is its political significance more than the legal significance?
11:33 I think its moral significance, its political significance,
11:38 whether it is legal or not is another thing, but in terms of legal, I think the rule is clear.
11:43 And the rule that has been made, Rule 94, is not correct.
11:47 Right. Akbar S. Babar is back on Manzar-e-Aam.
11:50 So in terms of Pakistan's justice system, he has a desire and a desire that
11:55 the new election will be under the new constitution,
11:58 he is interested in handling the situation.
12:00 So as a result of that, there will be another legal complication for you.
12:04 First there is the matter of funds, then there is the obvious matter of the party's leadership.
12:09 Are you seeing that legal challenges are increasing from there?
12:13 Because he has come to Manzar-e-Aam, he is also doing press conference.
12:15 What will happen by coming to Manzar-e-Aam?
12:17 Legal challenges are also increasing, that's why I am asking.
12:19 Look, it is okay as long as the PTI's opinion is that they are not party members,
12:25 but they can be removed from the party at any time.
12:29 So why did he do it? He did not do it.
12:32 It can happen, it can happen even then, there is no problem in that.
12:35 But if a person wants to take over your party legally,
12:39 you will not remove him, then it can happen.
12:41 It did not happen, so I am asking.
12:43 It can happen, they will see, all these things are possible and possible.
12:47 But if he is a member of the party, then who will vote for him?
12:51 He is nothing in terms of votes.
12:54 He can create a legal dispute, but he has no status in the party.
13:02 And he has no status outside the party.
13:05 So he is a person who comes forward to create a dispute and then disappears.
13:11 So legal challenges can be made to him and his answer can be given legally.
13:18 Okay, there is another recent news today that your senior senator, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
13:24 has resigned from his seat in front of Bilawal Butto from NA194.
13:32 And he has sat in support of Bilawal Butto.
13:36 So this is not a party policy, but there are these occurrences at different places.
13:41 So what are you doing to pre-empt this?
13:44 Because they are free people, free-minded people,
13:47 and whatever the political management is in the constituency, it is done.
13:50 Like it happened in Ladkana.
13:52 Look, there are 800 candidates from PTI, and if two of them do something like this,
13:58 against the party policy, and hurt the party's trust,
14:03 then I think they want to end their politics.
14:06 Now they will not have the intention of doing parliamentary politics,
14:10 or to go back to the ring, or to do ring politics.
14:13 So it's okay if someone has made such a decision, then it is not a good decision.
14:17 It is obvious that the party has been hurt, and if there was another candidate in their place,
14:21 then he would have fought the election.
14:23 So that is their own decision, which we do not consider a good decision.
14:27 And the people will decide for themselves.
14:29 So you are also campaigning in Lahore.
14:31 Bilawal Butto Zardari, who has made statements in Lahore, especially in Punjab,
14:35 he is saying that people of Tariq-e-Insaf were voting for the People's Party to stop the PMLN.
14:40 What is the dynamics there?
14:42 Did the angry voter of the People's Party come to PTI,
14:45 and Bilawal sir is thinking that since the way to stop the PMLN is through the People's Party,
14:50 then they can vote again?
14:52 For which voter is he talking?
14:54 Is there a voter in limbo who can vote for the People's Party?
14:58 I don't think so.
15:00 But the people who were associated with PTI,
15:03 their relationship is very strong in my opinion, in the last 8-9 months.
15:08 Whatever has been endured, and the principles that have been violated,
15:12 the laws and regulations that have been violated,
15:15 because of that, people who were not associated with PTI,
15:18 have come to PTI for the sake of those principles.
15:22 And those who were associated with PTI before,
15:25 I see that I go to many streets, meet people, meet in the markets,
15:30 they are more reliable than before, their relationship.
15:34 So in Lahore, especially, because Bilawal sir is himself fighting the elections there,
15:38 the position that the People's Party has put against the PMLN,
15:42 do you think that the People's Party will gain from it,
15:45 because there are many disgruntled voters who will vote against the PMLN?
15:49 Do you see that division? Anti-PMLN vote?
15:53 Look, the People's Party has taken a lot of votes from here before as well.
16:00 There are some specific areas from where votes are obtained in different ways.
16:05 This is all that will happen, I don't see anything more than this.
16:09 Because look, the People's Party and PMLN, both,
16:12 the laws that were passed in 2023, and are still being passed,
16:16 they have been a part of it.
16:18 They have been trying to prevent elections,
16:21 to destroy a party, PTI,
16:25 they have been willing and eager to take advantage of all this.
16:28 Therefore, the public is not stupid, they can see
16:31 who is doing politics based on principles and who is doing politics based on opportunism.
16:35 So after doing politics based on opportunism for a year, 14-18 months,
16:39 Bilawal cannot present himself as a winner of any sort.
16:46 So what is the batch? PJ vs. PMLN?
16:49 I see it like this, I see it like this in every circle,
16:52 and I don't see PMLN as a special party.
16:55 It's been 6-8 weeks for me on the streets of Lahore city,
16:59 and I can see it clearly that the only issue is the symbol.
17:05 If the symbol hadn't been snatched from us,
17:07 then this election would have been very clear.
17:09 And IPP? IPP?
17:11 It's still very clear to me.
17:13 And IPP?
17:15 There is no IPP.
17:17 It may be a party in a drawing room,
17:19 but it doesn't exist in the public.
17:21 Right. Thank you very much. Salman Akram Raja was with us.
17:24 Overall, the political situation that he was talking about,
17:27 and I think this is all about the election campaign.
17:31 The issue of whether the candidates for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
17:35 will fight for their freedom in the election symbols,
17:39 or will they be later accepted as nominated candidates for Tariq-e-Insaf.
17:45 In this regard, it seems that the legal battle is ready to go to the Supreme Court.
17:49 This is not just a legal matter,
17:51 but it is a political matter, and the political parties are watching these candidates.
17:57 So, it will be easier to determine the future from this important judicial decision.
18:02 We will go on a break.
18:04 When we return, we will have with us Narendra Mukherjee from the Pakistan People's Party.
18:07 What is the People's Party thinking?
18:09 How is it positioning itself in Punjab?
18:11 What do they think?
18:13 Will they succeed in breaking the vote for Tariq-e-Insaf?
18:16 Bilawal is giving statements on this.
18:18 We will talk to him during the break.
18:21 Welcome back.
18:23 Today, a huge development took place in the case of Pakistan People's Party and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
18:28 And the interesting twist and turn story was that
18:32 we suddenly saw a tweet from the Twitter cell of the Pakistan People's Party
18:36 in which it is said that the chairman of the Pakistan People's Party
18:41 meets PTI Senator Saifullah Abdo.
18:45 As a result, Saifullah Abdo announces his resignation from the elections of NA-194
18:52 and says that we will stop the lion's path together.
18:55 That is, he resigns from the presidency of the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf Senator.
19:02 After that, Senator Saifullah Abdo's own tweet comes in which he says
19:06 that we have decided to face the lion together with NA-194.
19:10 Then we asked the details from the Election Commission of Pakistan
19:14 and asked which candidates are from NA-194.
19:17 According to their details, there is no candidate for PMLN.
19:21 Anyway, Abdo has issued a show-cause notice to his party
19:26 that he has done everything in his individual capacity and he should respond as soon as possible.
19:31 We contacted Abdo that if he can come and join us in the program.
19:35 He has given a reason for his busy schedule.
19:40 Anyway, for the last few days, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has been saying in his speech
19:45 that the candidates of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf should vote for the People's Party.
19:50 Let's listen to what Bilawal is saying.
19:52 I want to talk to the PTI workers.
19:58 If you want to stop the lion, if you want to stop the non-league,
20:05 then you will have to get a stamp on the Pakistan People's Party.
20:12 We will talk to Mr. Nayyar Bukhari, the Secretary General of the Pakistan People's Party.
20:17 Thank you very much Mr. Bukhari.
20:18 Sir, Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf says that this is Mr. Abdo's own decision and he will give the answer.
20:23 Is there any other discussion with the candidates of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf?
20:30 Whether it is in Punjab, Sindh or in other constituencies.
20:35 Is it possible that other people can also vote for the Pakistan People's Party?
20:39 Or is it just the chairman of your party?
20:42 We are seeing this vote because of him.
20:46 Thank you.
20:49 In the political process and electioneering, there is obviously a mix-up.
20:54 It happens in every election.
20:56 And all the candidates try to achieve success.
21:01 And to achieve that success, there are adjustments between political parties and candidates.
21:09 This is not a new phenomenon.
21:11 And Mr. Oberoi has done a decision. So, obviously, he did it after seeing his political position.
21:19 The Pakistan People's Party, as Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said, we approach every voter.
21:27 They vote for the Pakistan People's Party.
21:29 We also approach the NK people.
21:32 We also approach the voters of other parties to vote for us.
21:36 They should participate in our program.
21:41 This is not an unfair thing.
21:44 No, no, it is not unfair. This is political management. You can do it.
21:47 My question is, have you contacted other people?
21:50 Will we see more of such contacts?
21:52 Or is it a one-off thing?
21:54 Because Bilawal himself was fighting the election from that constituency.
21:57 That's why he contacted you.
21:59 We have contacts in other places as well.
22:04 And it will be premature at this stage until things are finalized.
22:09 So, we are still in talks with candidates from different parties.
22:17 So that we can understand that the candidates of the Pakistan People's Party are getting support.
22:21 So, this process is going on.
22:23 Okay, so there are many questions being raised on this process.
22:27 And your traditional friend is raising the same from PMLN.
22:29 Let's listen to Mr. Rana Sonawalla's statement.
22:31 He says that the people's parties are giving money to the candidates.
22:35 They are giving money to the candidates and political managers.
22:41 Mr. Rana Sonawalla, please listen to this.
22:43 I also know that these people have contacts.
22:48 Yes, they have contacts. They are pursuing people's parties very aggressively.
22:52 And your party as well.
22:53 In fact, I have also heard that the people's party is selling funds to some people.
23:00 Before the election, the candidates of Tariq-e-Insaaf will fight for the people's party.
23:09 But after that, maybe you will be with them.
23:11 What is the reality of giving money to the candidates?
23:15 I think this is a form of corrupt mentality.
23:22 They are talking about money.
23:25 If they have information, then it comes under corrupt practices.
23:30 Why don't they go to the election commission of Pakistan?
23:33 They should be brave, establish and prove against us.
23:37 They talk in the air.
23:39 This is a sign of their defeat when they are talking like this.
23:43 In the political process, I consider it my right as a political worker.
23:47 We have fought elections all our lives.
23:50 I have fought elections in the bar councils.
23:53 We also ask for votes from the opponent camp.
23:56 Is it a crime to ask for votes from the opponent camp?
23:59 Is it illegal?
24:00 Is it an unlawful thing?
24:02 We have contacts in this. We do contacts.
24:06 But legally, Mr. Bukhari, you are also a lawmaker.
24:09 It is very unlikely that you will be invoked in 62-63.
24:12 Because the candidates of the party will be there.
24:15 They may not have a sign, but Tariq-e-Insaaf is taking this petition that Chahar-e-Sibaat is nominated.
24:19 So, even after being elected, can they do this to any other party?
24:24 What does the law say about this?
24:27 Will the 62-63 be the last time they will be attacked?
24:31 Let's not pre-empt.
24:34 The verdict that the court has to give,
24:37 it is time for you and me to pronounce that verdict.
24:40 I think the articles in this are very clear.
24:46 And those who say that our party has an enlistment,
24:50 it is absolutely true.
24:52 It is on the ECP website.
24:56 But you should not read it single out.
24:59 You should read it with Section 201, 209, 215, and 216 of the Election Act.
25:07 They are fighting for freedom of expression.
25:10 So, there is no restriction on them.
25:13 Yes, if they were fighting for the ticket of the Jamaat,
25:16 if they were fighting for the election of the Jamaat,
25:20 then the 63-A article could have been invoked.
25:26 But I think it is premature to discuss the 63-62.
25:34 Ultimately, it is not for you and me to decide.
25:37 It is not for the media to decide.
25:39 If someone goes to another Jamaat,
25:43 and if a Jamaat challenges him,
25:46 then the verdict will come from the Election Commission or Judiciary.
25:50 Let's wait for that time.
25:52 Bilawal Putto Sardari, who is giving speeches these days,
25:55 especially we saw that he is directly taking on Nawaz Sharif regarding the Noon League.
25:59 So, Mr. Bukhari, what do you think as a result of that,
26:02 that you are the voter of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
26:05 whom you want to incline towards?
26:07 Because Bilawal is saying that we have to defeat the Noon League together.
26:10 Will the voter in Punjab vote for the People's Party?
26:13 Will he remain silent?
26:15 Or will he vote for his free candidates?
26:18 What culture do you see in Punjab?
26:20 Was the voter of PTI, PML and People's Party an angry voter who will go back?
26:25 See, Maria tried to understand political strategies.
26:33 And in political strategies, except the corrupt practices,
26:37 which we are against, that should not be there.
26:40 But if you talk to persuade the voter,
26:45 then it becomes your right, your legal right.
26:48 And we think that the People's Party will be successful in persuading the public at large.
26:56 The foundation of the People's Party was in Punjab,
26:59 there was special support in Punjab.
27:01 The People's Party won the elections from Punjab.
27:04 And we expect that the same people are still living in Punjab.
27:09 So, they can support the People's Party by considering the performance, leadership and commitments of the People's Party.
27:16 And we hope that they will support us.
27:18 PML says that the angry voter of the People's Party went to PTI.
27:22 Do you agree with this?
27:23 Your angry voter went to PTI, will he come back?
27:26 See, not only our angry voter went there,
27:31 PML NK also went there.
27:33 Other parties also went there.
27:36 And PTI, see, the voter is a tribute.
27:40 He has the freedom to go to whichever party he wants.
27:44 Taking membership is one thing,
27:46 giving vote is another thing.
27:48 Being a worker of a political party has a different status.
27:53 A common man who votes for a party has a different status.
27:59 He can use his vote for the political party whenever he wants.
28:06 And we expect that the voter who was in other parties,
28:11 today the leadership of the People's Party attracts him.
28:14 The policies of the People's Party attract him.
28:16 If the manifesto of the People's Party attracts him, he will vote for us.
28:20 And we will welcome him.
28:21 Sir, there is a problem.
28:23 18 months ago, Bilawal and PTI were a part of a united government.
28:30 If you go against PML NK before the elections,
28:35 the voter's memory may be short,
28:38 but it will be so short that he will understand that
28:41 the People's Party is different from the previous government's policies.
28:45 And they are really opposing PML NK.
28:48 Do you think it is easy to sell?
28:51 Obviously. Let the voter decide it.
28:57 This is his domain.
29:00 We are persuading him.
29:03 We have to put our manifesto in front.
29:06 We have to do our work.
29:09 And we had an alliance with them to the extent of the government.
29:13 We were not in the election alliance.
29:15 We had no commitment that we will fight together in the elections in the future.
29:19 So obviously, we will give those policies,
29:24 we will give those manifestos,
29:26 we will give those commitments that we will honour,
29:29 and which will be in the interest of the people.
29:32 For example, the 10 points given by Chairman are attractive points.
29:36 The basis of these points is the slogan that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Shaheed gave,
29:40 "Roti, Kapda aur Makaan".
29:42 So we think that the economic condition of the country,
29:46 the way people are stuck in inflation,
29:50 the requirements of the country,
29:52 the Pakistan People's Party is working on that basic philosophy
29:57 and will deliver it to the people.
30:00 Subhukhai, is the next government a coalition government?
30:03 My leadership has also said this.
30:08 And we think that these are political analysts.
30:11 It is clear that a political party may not have a simple majority of the national assembly.
30:17 And the chairman has said that we will win freedom,
30:23 and we can sit with other parties and make a government, and we will make a government.
30:28 And you keep in mind that in 2008, the number of seats we had,
30:33 it was around 127, 128.
30:36 So the People's Party managed it, made a coalition government,
30:41 made an alliance government, and we completed it for 5 years.
30:44 And what is your estimate this time?
30:47 Like you said 127 in 2008, what is your estimate this time?
30:51 Is it a magic number that the Pakistan People's Party thinks will deliver it to the Prime Minister?
30:56 Look, the chairman and my leadership have said that
31:02 we will try to get as many seats as possible.
31:06 Approximately.
31:07 We don't want to mark any particular number.
31:10 PM LN says that it will be more than 100.
31:12 PM LN claims more than 100. What does the People's Party claim?
31:15 People's Party is claiming more than 100.
31:19 Chairman Bilawal had said a long time ago that we will be more than 100.
31:23 If the direct election from the House of 266,
31:26 if People's Party gains 100 plus seats,
31:30 obviously the women's seats and minority seats will take us to around 130-135.
31:36 And if Azad joins us,
31:40 then within three days of notification, if Azad joins us,
31:46 the number of seats, the reserves will increase.
31:49 So it is a possibility that we will join with any other political party,
31:54 the small regional parties, and cross the 169 required number.
32:02 And there won't be a PDM 2, right?
32:04 In which PM LN and People's Party will form a government together,
32:07 or will there be an action replay of that?
32:09 No, no. But then again it is a premature question, you know.
32:13 Ultimately the decision will be that we will tell the results of 8 elections,
32:19 that what will be the line of action of the political parties.
32:22 But we are hopeful that if we get more than 100 seats,
32:27 the direct 166, for which we have tried and we are hopeful that we will get,
32:32 then by adding our reserve seats, we will be more than 130-135.
32:37 So if we can form a government with 127,
32:41 why can't we form it in 2008?
32:43 This capability, this capacity, this political vision is in our leadership,
32:48 that we will form a government.
32:50 Right. Thank you very much, Mr. Nayyar Bukhari,
32:52 Senior Leader of Pakistan People's Party.
32:54 He is very confident in this matter that he will get more than 100 People's Party seats.
32:59 So if he succeeded in forming a government with 126 in 2008,
33:03 then why won't he succeed now?
33:05 We will go back to the break.
33:07 After that, children are dying of pneumonia all over the country.
33:11 This should not happen in 2024.
33:14 But it is happening. We will talk about it during the break.
33:16 Stay with us.
33:18 Welcome back.
33:20 Welcome back.
33:21 Welcome back.
33:22 This is a very important story that is not known to the media.
33:27 It is very worrisome that in 2024, children are dying of pneumonia in Pakistan.
33:33 The latest figures are very suspicious.
33:36 In January 2024, 279 children died of pneumonia in Pakistan.
33:42 In the month of Rawa, 233 children died of pneumonia in Punjab.
33:45 Whereas in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, 46 children died.
33:50 In total, 13 children died of pneumonia in 24 hours.
33:54 In 24 hours, the number of cases reported is 1122.
33:59 In the month of Rawa, 12,000 cases of pneumonia were reported in Punjab.
34:04 And in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the same is the case.
34:07 Almost 700 cases are reported daily of pneumonia.
34:11 Why is this happening?
34:13 And why are children dying of pneumonia in Pakistan in 2024?
34:17 And what should be done to rectify this?
34:20 And why is it not happening?
34:21 We will talk about this with Prof. Dr. Javed Akram.
34:23 He is the Minister of Health of Punjab.
34:24 Thank you very much, Dr. Akram.
34:25 Pneumonia is a disease from which death is preventable.
34:31 But in Pakistan, we are seeing that this figure is suddenly going up.
34:35 What is the reason for this?
34:36 And why are we not able to prevent it?
34:38 Thank you very much, Maria.
34:42 One life is lost just like humanity is lost, especially a small life.
34:47 You know that it is extremely cold in Punjab, especially in Lahore and Giridharan.
34:56 And pollution has also contributed to it.
34:59 Smoke has formed.
35:01 And there are many cases of pneumonia in children of a young age every year.
35:08 This year, the increase in the number of cases has definitely increased and the mortality has also increased.
35:13 The number of cases we have studied is slightly higher than this.
35:18 We have found 43,000 reported cases in our children's hospitals and other hospitals.
35:24 And the rate of death has been 1.3%.
35:28 And the main reason for this is that we can only reduce the cold.
35:34 We should definitely control pollution.
35:37 And it is very important that whoever comes to power, should also work on it.
35:43 Our government has done a lot of work.
35:45 Pollution has been reduced to some extent, but we have not been able to do it at the desirable level.
35:51 The third problem is the biggest.
35:54 Because most of these deaths have occurred in a few mothers' children, who are less than a year old, which we call neonates.
36:01 And in neonates, the most common disease in the winter is pneumonia and diarrhea in the summer.
36:09 And these children are unfortunate. Pakistan is Alhamdulillah a Muslim country.
36:15 And the Holy Qur'an has preached to us a lot that you can give your child the best coolness.
36:25 In the story of Moses, the Holy Qur'an also says that it is the mother's milk.
36:31 But the immunity of these children is not developed at all.
36:34 There is very little immunity.
36:36 And Allah has designed it in such a way that they take immunity from the mother through milk, antibodies, etc.
36:42 And unfortunately, in Pakistan, about 5% is exclusive breastfeeding.
36:48 If the mothers do not start at first, then they may not consider it fashionable.
36:53 They start the nipples and bottles very quickly.
37:01 And then they slowly leave it.
37:03 If a mother feeds a child milk for two years, then her chance of breast cancer decreases by 10 to 15%.
37:12 And the child has many benefits of it.
37:15 And especially the immune system, which is inactive, becomes very active.
37:19 So, Doctor, what you have pointed out is absolutely right.
37:25 We should preach more about it.
37:27 And obviously, it has reached your audience.
37:30 I just have a specific question.
37:32 Because it is a matter of pollution, it is a matter of the weather, it is a matter of the mother's neglect of her children,
37:39 or it is also a matter of not being able to take care of them due to their lack of knowledge.
37:43 All these factors are consistent for the past 4 to 5 years.
37:47 If we take the figures of the last year, then there is not much pollution, this year there is more pollution.
37:52 And the factors that you have made, tell us, these were also there last year.
37:55 What changed this year?
37:57 Could the management have been improved?
37:59 Or the care that they got when they went to the hospital, that was not right.
38:03 Because more or less, these factors were there last year and if they get better in the future, it will take time.
38:08 See Maria, the treatment of this disease, 80% of the cases have come from respiratory syndrome.
38:18 This virus is more, the bacteria are very less.
38:22 And the EPI, Expanded Program of Immunization, we are not saying that it is 100%, it is 95%, which is very good, but it is not satisfactory.
38:34 All these, even measles, it also causes pneumonia due to viral infection.
38:39 All the rest, DPT, Pertussis, which is a whooping cough, it prevents it.
38:45 So, this should also be ensured, instead of waiting for the parents to come and get vaccinated, they should themselves take them to the vaccination center.
38:53 I was in England, my children were born there, so we used to drive many miles and get them vaccinated.
39:01 So, it is also very important to be aware of this.
39:04 But Doctor, I am not able to understand what is the difference between last year and this year?
39:09 Because all these factors that you are telling, they are in the Moralist Society.
39:13 See, this time, all our temperatures were, and are still, unprecedented from the last 20 years, 25 years in fact.
39:24 That the temperature was not so low, that 7, 6, 4, 3 at night, this is unprecedented in Lahore.
39:32 And this year, prolonged, you see, judge from our clothes, sitting in Karachi, that we are keeping ourselves so warm, and the heaters are also on, and this, this, almost February,
39:46 so this is the extreme temperature, this is the climatic change, and with that, pollution is unlimited, and with that, dryness is very high.
39:57 And mothers feed their children less water, so their small, small, the small nostrils inside, they clog, and then infection occurs.
40:07 So, apart from that, the power is cut off, gas is not available, and people heat up a room, and everyone comes there, so people to people contact has also increased a lot.
40:19 And viral infections, you have never heard of it, COVID was introduced in December 2019, and it changed everything.
40:27 This virus, in future, I will tell you, that if 1.5 crore people have to die, God forbid, God forbid, they will not die from any arsenal or nuclear bomb, they will die from microbes.
40:40 We should go towards the strengthening and prevention of the health system.
40:43 Thank you very much, thank you very much, Professor Javed Akram, the prevention and strengthening of the health system should be taken,
40:50 but when we look at countries like Pakistan, then at the provincial level, what is the budget of health?
40:56 It is very sad when you will not be able to save your children, and those diseases like pneumonia, which are preventable, from which death will be seen,
41:04 so this is a very big question mark for your own health system.
41:09 The time of the program is over, do not forget to give your feedback, take care, goodbye.