Between The Eers: Zero Heisman Love?
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00:10 Good Thursday morning everybody, Skylar Callen here with Christopher Hall.
00:14 It is between the ears and promised you we would get into some football talk today.
00:19 We're gonna talk a little bit about the defense, but
00:21 we decided to switch things up.
00:23 And thanks to Brett McMurphy popping up on our timeline, or Chris's timeline.
00:28 We had to talk about this.
00:29 So Heisman odds, they're already starting to come out.
00:33 And Garrett Green is not amongst those that are being considered,
00:39 at least as of right now.
00:40 I'm sure that'll change between now and September or late August, but
00:44 we'll have to see on that.
00:45 But before we get into that, let's talk real quick about Garrett and
00:51 his progression from what we saw towards the end of last season to this year.
00:56 Because I don't know about you, Chris, but
00:57 I was not expecting Garrett to make that big of a leap.
01:01 And there's still a lot of room to grow, which is kind of scary if you're a Big 12
01:05 opponent, because he's still got some areas of his game where he can clean up.
01:09 And all of a sudden he can become maybe one of the best quarterbacks in the country.
01:14 And maybe he ends up being in the Heisman race.
01:16 But to go from where he came in 22 to 23 was a massive jump
01:22 that I don't think anybody expected.
01:25 >> Yeah, and we don't really know how big of a jump from the beginning of the season.
01:29 It looked tremendous, but he was banged up and it kind of protected him a little
01:33 bit, especially during Penn State.
01:35 It didn't want him to have his confidence shattered, probably wasn't ready yet.
01:39 But you could really see his growth as a leader and as a quarterback.
01:45 As the season went on, just making plays either with his legs.
01:48 And I think really, and I talked about it probably too much, but
01:51 I think really his biggest growth was keeping plays alive and
01:56 keeping his eyes downfield and getting the ball to his playmakers on the outside.
02:00 Where in the past, he just relied on his legs.
02:03 That was just so much muscle memory from when he was high school,
02:05 where they ran a read option.
02:06 And a lot of their offense was generated on the run game.
02:09 And really when you kind of think about how far he's come and
02:14 everything that he did, he was so far behind the rest of his quarterbacks in his
02:18 class because he didn't do the camps.
02:20 He played baseball somewhere.
02:22 So really, fans or analysts from the outside looking in,
02:26 they said, well, he's been there four years, he should be further along.
02:31 But again, he's really like four years behind everybody else.
02:36 So I think really just, you really look at from when he came to West Virginia,
02:40 I know a lot of fans want him to start early.
02:42 He just was not there.
02:45 Didn't understand how to read defense,
02:46 didn't understand a lot of what it takes to be a college quarterback.
02:49 But you just saw the growth, so much growth as the season went on.
02:52 Some of that may have been just because he got healthier as the season went on.
02:56 He did have that ankle issue, but it was really,
03:00 you could see it in practice and fall, but you didn't really,
03:05 like the growth of that from fall camp to the end of the year was such a big margin.
03:10 It was really impressive.
03:12 And a lot of it, we talk about that subject a lot.
03:14 A lot of this has to do with confidence.
03:15 When you start making plays and you know you can make them,
03:18 it becomes kind of that muscle memory as well where you're just, it's repetition.
03:22 And he was able to make the plays.
03:24 So there was a lot of growth, but he still has a long way to go to be one of,
03:29 considered one of the better quarterbacks in the Big 12.
03:32 >> Well, I mean, and who's to say too, like, does Garrett even make this sort of
03:36 a jump if he maybe gets thrown into that starting role earlier?
03:40 I don't know that he does because as Neal's talked about many times before,
03:44 if you throw in a kid, especially a quarterback,
03:46 that's like a fragile position, right?
03:47 If you throw him in before they're ready, they may lose that confidence and
03:52 they're ruined.
03:53 So I don't know- >> [INAUDIBLE]
03:55 >> So it's the 14, 15 defenders out there.
03:58 >> Exactly, so I don't know that if he comes in and starts in 22 and
04:02 say they don't bring in JT Daniels, maybe he goes through the whole season and
04:08 really struggles.
04:09 They go four and eight or something like that and
04:11 then maybe throws 12 picks and he's ruined.
04:16 And then you're really starting to search for a quarterback in 23.
04:20 So I think they handled this perfectly.
04:23 I think sometimes it's hindsight's 20/20, or maybe not so 20/20, but
04:28 fans can look at a player's success and say, look, he should have started two years
04:32 ago or three years ago, or same thing with Jaheim White and
04:34 people say, he should have played earlier too.
04:37 It's all different.
04:39 I think there's a difference between being ready per se and
04:44 being game ready and actually able to contribute.
04:47 And for Garrett Green,
04:51 I don't think he was really truly ready until this past offseason.
04:55 And I think we saw that.
04:56 And again, like you said, I don't know what that jump from the beginning of
04:59 the season to the end of season really would have looked like.
05:02 Because he didn't play Texas Tech, he didn't really play the Pitt game.
05:08 Who knows what he would have looked like in those games or
05:10 what his numbers would look like.
05:12 But what we do know is he completed 53% of his passes, he only threw four picks.
05:18 To me, that's kind of a wonky stat because if a guy that is really struggling to
05:22 complete passes, you would expect that those interception numbers to be really
05:25 high, but his biggest issue, as we've documented many times on here,
05:30 is just hitting those dinks and dunks that are wide open.
05:33 He's got to learn to take some MPHs off of it and
05:35 also they take a lot of shots downfield.
05:38 That's a big part of it as well.
05:39 So I think that- >> And drop passes,
05:42 there are some drop passes as well.
05:43 A lot of it goes into it and then just throwing the ball away.
05:47 But yeah, you want to see that go up by at least 10%.
05:50 >> Yeah, I mean, if you can get that to 60-ish, I think you're in a good spot.
05:55 So let's get to Brett McMurphy's tweet here.
05:59 This is the Heisman odds.
06:01 This is actually not Brett McMurphy's odds.
06:03 This is something that he jotted down from FanDuel Sportsbook.
06:08 So if you want to complain or gripe about something, go to FanDuel and
06:11 tell them that they're wrong.
06:13 And that's what we're gonna do right now.
06:15 Carson Beck and Quinn Ewer.
06:18 So the Georgia and Texas quarterbacks, they lead the way at seven and
06:22 a half to one.
06:23 Dylan Gabriel, who transferred from Oklahoma to Oregon, 10 to 1.
06:28 Will Howard, the former Kansas State quarterback,
06:30 who's now at Ohio State with Jalen Milrow.
06:33 Nico Ayamalieva at Tennessee.
06:37 Bunch of names on here that you're probably familiar with,
06:40 some that you may not be.
06:42 We're gonna focus kind of on the bottom of this list,
06:44 because this is really where Garrett would probably be, right?
06:48 I mean, this is, again, a quarterback that ran for 700-some yards.
06:52 He missed a couple of games and
06:55 was still one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in the country.
06:58 And Chris, when you brought this to my attention,
07:01 the first thing I saw was Avery Johnson.
07:03 Like, what is he doing on this list?
07:07 He wasn't even the starting quarterback for much of the year.
07:10 He was back and forth and
07:11 kind of split time there with Will Howard at Kansas State.
07:14 He's on here 50 to 1 with Cam Rising and Will Rogers.
07:19 But Garrett Green's not?
07:21 That's the first thing that stuck out to me.
07:23 >> I saw Tyler Shuck, and that's the one that stuck out to me, even at 101.
07:28 >> Yeah.
07:30 >> I mean, you can probably get through, a lot of fans probably get through this
07:33 list.
07:33 I went through this list and was like, who, who?
07:35 >> [LAUGH] >> I'm not gonna have transferred.
07:38 You gotta figure out where they transferred as well.
07:41 But yeah, I mean, stuff like this, it's all nonsense, but it is fun.
07:44 Because when you look at Garrett, probably what's hindering him right now is
07:48 the just over 50% completion percentage.
07:52 But you can start really breaking down all these kids and be like,
07:55 well, wait a minute.
07:56 >> There's holes in all these kids' games.
07:58 So when you're probably looking at the odds, like Carson Beck,
08:01 yeah, that's probably a no-brainer.
08:03 I mean, look at all the talent Georgia has.
08:05 He can just pitch and toss it to all those guys.
08:08 It's gonna be wide open for 10, 11 games a year,
08:11 cuz they're gonna be so much better than everybody else.
08:14 Quinn Ewers, or however you pronounce his last name.
08:17 >> Ewers.
08:20 >> I don't even see how he's that high up.
08:24 I would think Dylan Gabriel at Oregon would have better odds than him.
08:28 But maybe it's that West Coast factor that the voters don't like West,
08:33 there's that East Coast bias.
08:34 Yeah, it was intriguing to me because first,
08:38 West Virginia fans were like, why isn't Garrett Green on the list?
08:40 And they definitely have a legitimate argument.
08:43 There was no one else that did what Garrett Green did in the Big 12 Conference.
08:48 And you're looking at a kid that's gonna be returning a lot of his weapons as well.
08:52 Granted, the receivers are still gonna be fairly young.
08:54 But you have Jaheim White's probably gonna be part of the passing game.
08:57 CJ Donaldson is gonna be that bruiser back,
09:00 is gonna help them in the play action pass.
09:02 And like you said, if he can fix those dink and dunks, and
09:05 then he's gonna throw over 60%.
09:08 And if he's healthy and can get 1,000 yards rushing, and
09:11 if he gets over 4,000 total yards next season, you would think he's in the mix.
09:16 Now I'm not saying he's gonna be a top five,
09:17 cuz you don't know what everybody else is doing.
09:18 Then go back to Carson Beck, he might throw for
09:21 5,000 yards with that door into town.
09:23 You just don't really know kinda how that's gonna all play out.
09:28 But you would think if you're putting Tyler Shuck out there for 101,
09:31 Garrett Green's gotta be in the mix, right?
09:33 >> Well, I mean- >> Kind of a no brainer.
09:35 >> KJ Jefferson, who went from Arkansas to UCF, I mean, is he gonna have,
09:40 I mean, I know they have some skilled guys that are impressive.
09:42 But I mean, is he gonna do enough?
09:46 I mean, I don't think so.
09:47 Max Johnson, John- >> And that's what's crazy,
09:49 like Gus Malzahn gets that kinda like, he has that kinda credentials.
09:53 Are you just gonna bring in transfer quarterback and
09:55 he's just gonna be a husband contender?
09:56 >> Yeah.
09:58 >> It's not Cam Newton here, like come on.
10:01 >> And I mean, Dylan Riola is gonna be a true freshman in Nebraska.
10:05 I mean, he's top quarterback in the country, I get it.
10:07 But I mean, it's not like Nebraska's got a ton of talent to work with.
10:11 Plus Max Johnson going to North Carolina.
10:16 >> DJ, did he go to Ole Miss?
10:18 >> No, Florida State, Florida State is where DJ-
10:23 >> Florida State?
10:24 >> Yeah. >> I mean,
10:25 that's kind of intriguing a little bit with how down the ACC is as well.
10:31 You kind of put that with the Georgia quarterback, I understand the SEC is
10:37 SEC, but I mean, look at their schedule last year, it was kind of a layup, so.
10:41 >> Well, I mean- >> That's kind of the same situation,
10:44 you can really patch that there, a lot in the ACC.
10:47 >> What the hell is Jalen Daniels doing on this list?
10:50 I mean, if we're being honest, I get the potential around him.
10:54 He's shown that he's a good quarterback, but
10:56 he didn't even hardly play this past year.
10:58 So- >> Right, he stayed hurt.
11:01 I think really Travis Hunter is 75 and 1.
11:04 >> There's a lot of good odds for Travis Hunter.
11:06 >> I would say he needs to be up.
11:08 I mean, he plays both sides of the ball.
11:10 And I think the only thing that really may be holding him back is cuz Colorado
11:13 wasn't very good last year.
11:14 And they may not be that good this year.
11:16 But to me, most of the time, I don't know if there was a game that he wasn't
11:20 the best player on the field, every game he played last year.
11:23 >> Very, very- >> He was definitely the best athlete.
11:25 >> I mean, he was Colorado's best player, I mean, almost every single game.
11:31 >> I mean, he should have better odds than Shadier.
11:35 And Shadier's a good, I like Shadier as a quarterback.
11:37 I think he's gonna be a good quarterback, but I mean, he's gotta be up there.
11:42 I mean, you're playing both sides of the ball, no one's doing that now.
11:45 And it's not that he's just playing both sides of the ball,
11:47 the plays he's making on both sides of the ball are incredible.
11:50 He's, if you hadn't had a chance to really watch Travis Hunter,
11:54 I'd recommend it next season cuz the kid is phenomenal.
11:57 I mean, to me, if I was gonna bet on this,
12:02 I'm putting money on Travis, without a doubt.
12:08 He's not my favorite because again, Carson Beck-
12:11 >> He's just good about it.
12:12 >> He's just gonna put all the talent around.
12:14 He's not the best quarterback in the country, but he's gonna be able to put up
12:17 the stats to be perceived as the best quarterback in the country.
12:22 But I mean, this award's so goofy at this point, but yeah, Travis Hunter-
12:27 >> It is January 25th, so.
12:29 >> Right, but that's the point, some of these guys that win it,
12:34 I mean, it takes a team effort.
12:37 If you take them to a mid-tier program, are they gonna have those same numbers?
12:45 They're definitely probably gonna be the most valuable player, but
12:47 you can say that with a lot of players around the country.
12:50 If you took Garrett and put him on Georgia, what does his numbers look like?
12:55 They're probably phenomenal, cuz you're gonna have guys that are just gonna make
12:58 plays for you, that you can just throw it up to-
13:00 >> Stetson Bennett knows a little about that, former walker.
13:03 >> Right, I mean, JT Daniels kinda got his name because he was at Georgia.
13:08 So I mean, you can really look good at a place like Georgia.
13:12 I mean, look what Matt Jones did in one year at Alabama.
13:15 It's not like he was bad, but- >> Yeah.
13:17 >> [LAUGH] He got a first round pick because of all the talent around him.
13:21 >> I mean, it's very, this is a very, very subjective award on how good,
13:27 like I said, Travis Hunter is the best player in the country.
13:30 But he was on a bad team, and if you don't have those stats,
13:35 then you're kinda screwed when it comes to this.
13:39 >> I mean, Will Howard, I don't understand the hype around him.
13:42 I never really have.
13:44 I've always thought he was a decent quarterback.
13:46 I never thought he was good.
13:47 And now he was one of the most sought after quarterbacks in the portal.
13:51 He goes to Ohio State and- >> He's efficient, he's efficient.
13:56 That's why he's not a Heisman.
13:58 >> He's not.
13:59 >> He should be on a Heisman conversation.
14:00 >> He should be on the best odds.
14:03 >> He's part of the $13 million NIL deal Ohio State spent.
14:06 And they're the most paid program right now.
14:11 I mean, that's the same thing course back.
14:13 You just gotta get it to your playmakers.
14:15 Is he that good or could you throw Gary Green in that mix and
14:18 he's gonna do the same or better?
14:20 >> Well, you put my eyes on the 75 to 1.
14:24 This is another one that just stands out, Dante Moore.
14:28 What the hell is he doing on here too?
14:30 I mean, he's the backup at Oregon behind Dylan Gabriel.
14:34 So, quarterbacks get the 75 to 1 odds and Garrett Green and
14:38 established power five or power four quarterbacks not on here.
14:42 This is kind of what we're trying to make the point of.
14:45 It's not that Garrett should be a top four or five guy on here, but
14:48 he's gotta be at least on the damn list.
14:51 And Dante Moore, he's not even gonna play this year.
14:54 As long as everything goes okay and health wise with Dylan Gabriel,
14:58 Dante Moore will not sniff the field unless it's in blowout situations.
15:04 There's another one on here too, Drew Allard, Penn State quarterback.
15:08 Are we sure he's gonna be their starting quarterback?
15:11 I mean, he had a really good year, 25 touchdowns and two picks, but
15:15 he too was sub 60% completion percentage, the really high in the boat per Bula kid.
15:20 I don't know.
15:22 I mean, Drew Allard, I got his stats right here.
15:25 Complete 59% of his passes, 25 to 2 touchdown interception ratio.
15:30 He ran for 206 yards, four touchdowns, which is only 2.8 yards of carry.
15:34 You put those up against Garrett Green.
15:36 I mean, they kind of balance out.
15:39 So, I don't know.
15:40 I don't get where Will Howard's at on here.
15:43 I don't get why Drew Allard is as high as he is.
15:46 I don't know why Jalen Daniels or Dante Moore or even-
15:49 >> They could have just put,
15:50 said, hey, here's Garrett Green, 201.
15:53 I'd be happy.
15:53 >> [LAUGH] >> And this is just a tweet.
15:57 >> Just give him a mention, just give him a little, just a mention.
16:00 Just a blow, just something.
16:02 >> I mean- >> He's been like almost for
16:05 many games.
16:05 Like when you're looking at Heisman, did he single handedly win games?
16:11 Did he help his team win games?
16:13 Could you plug in somebody else from around the league in this system and
16:19 they'd have the same success?
16:21 That's not, would Carson Beck have the success of West Virginia?
16:25 Is he's gonna have the Georgia?
16:26 Probably not.
16:27 Is he gonna single handedly win West Virginia games?
16:31 Probably not.
16:31 Same with Quinn.
16:33 Dylan Gabriel, yes, I think you could because he's a dual threat quarterback.
16:37 Same thing with Will Howard.
16:38 I think you could do the same thing.
16:40 But I mean, you have to also look at leadership and
16:44 the fit in the culture as well if they're gonna have success.
16:47 So it's just, to me, there's a lot that goes into it.
16:52 And I always feel like they always go for the sack.
16:56 They don't have that X factor anymore.
16:58 Like Carson Beck should not be the front one.
17:01 Like you need that X factor.
17:02 Are they winning them games single handedly?
17:06 Who's making the plays on that team to put them over the top?
17:09 And a lot of these guys just have really good receivers.
17:11 >> I mean, and Cade Clubnick too.
17:14 Like, I mean, this was a kid that they were worried about if he was even gonna
17:19 start or not the entire year at Clemson.
17:22 I mean, he was 19 to 9 touchdown interception for
17:28 2,800 yards, trying to find out what his rushing was.
17:32 182 rushing, like what?
17:36 What is this kid doing at 30 to 1?
17:38 >> [LAUGH] >> I mean, what is going on here, Vandal?
17:42 >> I wouldn't even call it a sucker bet, you know what I mean?
17:44 >> Yeah.
17:45 >> Not even a good sucker bet, so.
17:48 >> So if you had the ability to kind of put Garrett on this list somewhere,
17:55 where would you put him?
17:57 I mean, cuz I know we would move some of these guys around, but
18:01 where would you put his odds?
18:02 >> I mean, 100 to 100, I mean, it'd be at the bottom.
18:08 But I mean, at the same time, I wouldn't have-
18:12 >> Well, I guess if it was this list,
18:13 I mean- >> Claims Bob Nick at 30 to 1 either, so
18:16 I would have Garrett above him.
18:19 But cuz I mean, look what Clemson's done the last couple years.
18:23 I mean, they haven't been good.
18:25 So what's he done to win them games?
18:28 So it's not that X factor.
18:30 I think Daniels, if he stays healthy, he should be up there 100%.
18:34 He's an X factor.
18:35 He's single handedly won Kansas game.
18:39 >> Yeah.
18:40 >> And you could say that about Will Howard at Kansas State.
18:43 That's fair, Dylan Gabriel last year at Oklahoma.
18:46 Like that's more than fair.
18:48 The rest of these guys, not so much.
18:50 >> Yeah. >> Travis Hunter,
18:51 to me Travis Hunter is the best player in the country.
18:53 And it's not close.
18:56 [LAUGH] >> No, it's not, I don't think so.
18:59 I mean, when you can play both sides of the ball at that elite of a level.
19:03 >> But you have to have team success as well.
19:06 >> Yep.
19:06 >> You do, and he made plays to put them in position to win games.
19:11 And he's not the quarterback.
19:13 But I mean, he's to me, if he's not the, it's always depending on team need in NFL.
19:20 But if he's not one of the top picks going into the draft next year,
19:25 that would be insane to me.
19:27 >> Well, since we're talking about draft and all that stuff,
19:31 I know it's like kind of crazy to even think about because of his size, right?
19:36 But we've seen some small quarterbacks go to the NFL.
19:41 Bryce Young is maybe the smallest and he just went number one overall last year.
19:45 If Garrett puts together another strong season where he completes every 60%,
19:51 he checks that box, he fixes the dinks and dunks issue, his foot works more clean.
19:57 He throws for more yardage, the rushing stays the same.
20:00 I mean, can he have a shot?
20:03 Like realistically, do you think he has a shot to be somebody that gets drafted?
20:09 >> For me, he would have to be going up because of his size.
20:13 Bryce Young, he had the Saban effect, Alabama effect.
20:17 Bryce Young's good, I think he can be a good quarterback.
20:19 But in the past, he wouldn't have received that much attention because of his size.
20:25 He wouldn't have had that much success in college because of his size,
20:27 because the lineman there can give him windows to pass through.
20:31 As you know, they give those quarterbacks windows to pass through in the league
20:36 because of how big the defensive lineman are.
20:39 So, and that kind of goes back to what Drew Brees did during his time in the NFL.
20:43 And if, I mean, Garrett, he's got a long way to go to get drafted.
20:46 He can definitely be an undrafted free agent or more like,
20:50 I'm not saying he would have the success of Brock Purdy.
20:54 But that late draft pick that, you can see kind of like Tyler Padgett
21:00 over at Chicago, kid that played at Shepherd.
21:03 You can kind of see him in that role.
21:05 But he would have to make leaps and bounds in the passing game to really be
21:10 considered a draft pick.
21:13 Because you gotta give those gimmies and you gotta be,
21:17 one of the hardest things to do as a small quarterback is to hit short,
21:21 medium passes over the middle of the field.
21:24 Because you're at the disadvantage of being short trying to throw over the line.
21:28 So, it's gotta be able to show that and if you have an offensive coordinator kind of
21:33 scheme and give you those pass windows over the middle for him,
21:35 then yeah, he could have success.
21:36 But he's got really a long way to go because so much of his game,
21:40 if he can continue to improvise and build on keeping the play alive with his legs
21:47 and looking downfield.
21:48 Now, how many times have you seen it in any level where you're really the best
21:54 play is when it breaks down and the quarterback can keep the play alive and
21:57 look down and the receiver knows what to do and get open and just kind of make a
22:02 play and that's really what his best asset is right now.
22:06 It's just his ability to get out and keep and just make a play.
22:10 And yeah, if he can get the dinks and dumps and continue to do that,
22:15 I'll definitely have a shot in the NFL.
22:17 How long?
22:18 Because NFL is really fickle with quarterbacks.
22:20 [LAUGH]
22:22 >> Yeah.
22:22 >> It's another question.
22:23 >> I think- >> Especially for guys his size.
22:25 But at the end of the day, I really don't think the size is gonna be a fact.
22:29 I really don't because Bryce is 5'10", 204.
22:33 Garrett's 5'11", 203.
22:35 So it's literally an inch and a pound.
22:37 >> You have to show that he can throw from different angles.
22:40 >> That's the- >> From different arm spots and
22:42 that's really where he, and as a baseball player, he can probably do that.
22:46 But I'll just have to show it and be consistent and
22:49 obviously I'll have to stay healthy so we can show it.
22:51 And really, I mean for the team as well, but you go out and
22:54 put big numbers against that Penn State defense start with year one.
22:57 >> That'll catch some eyes.
22:58 >> Those odds are gonna go way- >> Yeah.
23:01 >> Way down.
23:02 You're probably looking at 51 or better depending on the numbers.
23:05 So he'll have his opportunities, there's no doubt about it.
23:07 And biggest one is Penn State because that, I mean,
23:10 they just lost to a bunch of NFL talent basically.
23:14 But they're all gonna go to the draft.
23:16 But at the same time, they're gonna reload.
23:18 I mean, Penn State always has good defense, always.
23:21 I don't know what attracts defensive guys there.
23:24 But I mean, you go way back, Turner was there forever, but
23:27 you go way back through there and look at all those guys that came through there.
23:31 I mean, LeVar Arrington's probably the one that really sticks out to me the most.
23:34 That was just a phenom when he was at Penn State.
23:37 So they're gonna have guys and they'll put up numbers.
23:40 And that defense that plays kind of, I wanna say a weak big 10, but
23:44 they only play two teams a year.
23:46 And they can kind of pad their stats as well.
23:48 It doesn't mean that they're good, but they'll be able to pad stats.
23:51 And when they go back and look, well,
23:52 look what he did against that Penn State defense.
23:54 Now, of course, they'll get the treatment.
23:56 Well, they weren't that good of a defense yet,
23:58 because they were coming together.
24:00 But if there's anybody else, of course, they'll be like, it's an update.
24:03 [LAUGH]
24:05 >> Well, I mean-
24:05 >> You can't ever get the benefit of doubt.
24:09 >> So I mean, if you really believe Garrett Green is gonna win the Heisman,
24:14 go ahead and put your bet in now or whenever.
24:17 >> You can't.
24:18 >> Whenever there's a- >> I would like to know if they,
24:22 you would think almost every Power Four quarterback, I guess now.
24:27 >> Should have some.
24:27 >> Quarterback.
24:29 Yeah, you should have some kind of odds in almost every single one.
24:32 A returning starter is 100%.
24:35 Like a returning starter or like a Will Howard that was a starter and
24:38 he's going to a program, you gotta have, I think you would place all odds on any of
24:43 them, I would think Garrett would be, I mean, Tyler's shuck is 101.
24:48 [LAUGH]
24:48 >> Yeah, and he's been nothing but hurt for the last two years.
24:52 And he's been average when he's been on the field.
24:54 So like I- >> I don't understand.
24:57 That's the one I don't understand.
24:59 I mean, I don't understand quite a few of them, but that one,
25:02 not to have Garrett on there when Tyler's shuck is there, that's a wild one.
25:06 >> When you got injured quarterbacks and guys are gonna be backups, and
25:10 guys that you're projecting will be starting quarterbacks on this list,
25:13 not Garrett Green, that's where the problem lies.
25:17 >> Yeah.
25:17 >> I mean, if it's another starting quarterback that you feel may be better or
25:22 not as good, then you can have that opinion, but that's a different story.
25:26 I don't know.
25:27 It doesn't make sense to me, but that'll do it for us here today on Between the Ears.
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