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01:29 Welcome to The Perimeter, Season 3, Episode 13, presented by McGillivray Environmental.
01:36 Here with Brendan, the producer.
01:40 This could be an interesting one today.
01:42 I think I'm going to kind of dive into what I think some of the issues are,
01:46 not just three-point shooting on this club right now.
01:50 We just came off a loss versus Santa Clara at their place.
01:54 A chance to really take control of the lead to go 3-0.
01:57 Obviously, Santa Clara now is 3-0.
01:59 Tough one.
02:01 We talked about it.
02:05 They always have great crowds.
02:07 It's a harder place to play, quote-unquote, in the WCC.
02:11 But I thought our effort and focus was just not there to start the game.
02:18 It was lackadaisical.
02:19 And it was kind of shocking to say, for a team that's kind of,
02:26 we're 10-5 now.
02:30 We've got to stack some of these wins together.
02:32 If we want to go to the NCAA tournament and make a deep run that we've done in the last
02:37 two decades, you know what I mean?
02:42 So I was a little bit disappointed in that.
02:45 Now, I understand things are not going to go your way.
02:47 Bad shooting starts can happen.
02:51 But I'm talking about effort plays, being on the glass,
02:55 being concise with your shot selection and your decision-making.
03:01 I always say it when we're on the road, it's called "road mentality."
03:06 I know it's cliché, but if you've never played before,
03:09 if you were on good teams that played before,
03:11 were hyper-focused to start road games, you know, wide-eyed, bushy-tailed,
03:17 or whatever the term is.
03:18 That's what my high school coach used to say, but it's so true.
03:22 And we just didn't have that.
03:23 And it was a little bit disappointing, just as a fan and somebody that's,
03:28 you know, obviously close to the program, that we didn't have guys that were,
03:32 you know, kind of ready to go.
03:34 You know, watching the game, what were your initial thoughts
03:36 at the start of the game?
03:40 They just looked very...
03:42 Yeah, they didn't look like they were there.
03:45 Yeah.
03:45 Like, they looked off.
03:46 They didn't have any spark.
03:49 I just didn't...
03:50 They just felt flat.
03:51 That's what I was looking for.
03:53 Yeah, no, I think flat was the perfect description for how they played
03:59 and kind of the effort.
04:03 You know, we get in that first media timeout, you know, it's under 16,
04:07 so basically four and a half, five minutes usually, and we're down,
04:11 I think it was 9-2 or 8-2.
04:13 And that's when I was, "God, man, we're really going to do this, guys."
04:16 You know what I mean?
04:17 It's not like...
04:18 And like I said, it wasn't that we just missed shots.
04:22 It's like, you know, you could just tell, like, our cuts were soft and lazy.
04:26 We were lazy on box outs.
04:29 And that's just in the first five minutes.
04:31 You're like, "Come on, guys.
04:32 Like, you're not good enough."
04:35 No team is good enough to flip a switch.
04:38 Maybe the team that went to the championship game with Kispert and all them
04:42 and Suggs, that was a team that could flip a switch, and they rarely did that, though.
04:46 Right.
04:47 You know what I'm saying?
04:47 Because they had, you know, kind of a want to as a group.
04:54 Not saying this team doesn't, but it looks like it's kind of frayed sometimes
04:58 where there's not a consistent singular goal.
05:03 And I don't know if that's, you know...
05:05 But I keep going back to that because I keep looking at some of the last month's games
05:12 and it's just like, you know, lack of effort and there's no, you know, spark
05:19 and there's no, you know, guys diving on the floor for each other
05:24 and, you know, just being excited for each other.
05:27 And I don't think it's a selfish thing.
05:31 I just think it's a... nobody's like a vocal leader on this club.
05:35 That's where I've thought about it for about a week, basically, or whatever, after this loss.
05:42 And I'm like, "So who's our vocal leader?"
05:45 And I'm like, "Well, Ryan could be one, but he's new.
05:49 So that's fair. Half a season here."
05:52 I say, "Graham could be one. Same thing. Half a season here."
05:56 Nolan's just a quiet kid.
05:59 Anton is just not his... kind of his personality.
06:05 And I don't think he has to be thrust into that role.
06:07 Now the counter's like, "Oh, he's a senior."
06:09 It's like, "Yeah, but he's been like a support player, a really good one,
06:13 especially counting this year, last year, and then this year."
06:17 I'll have to get into how good he was Saturday.
06:20 But that's not just who he... I mean, he was like that in high school.
06:23 He's just a quiet dude. It's not a bad thing.
06:26 But sometimes people's personality is who they are,
06:30 and you don't have to, like, you know,
06:32 was it square peg in a round hole or whatever.
06:34 - Right, yeah. Totally. - You don't want to force it.
06:35 And he's kind of a lead by example guy.
06:39 So I get into that, and I'm like, "Well, are they...
06:42 you know, is it...
06:45 is there not a common understanding in the locker room?
06:48 Like how, you know, hard you have to play on the road,
06:51 and how, you know, physical you have to be,
06:55 and how focused you have to be?"
06:58 Because it definitely wasn't there in the first half.
07:02 To only be down six was a flat miracle.
07:05 We were down 18 on the glass in the first half.
07:09 - Yeah, that was a big set. - Which is insane.
07:12 You know, usually we're a team that prides themselves on,
07:17 you know, trying to win plus 10 on the glass and have a plus 10 margin.
07:21 We've been good this year, but that looked like an effort deal.
07:25 - Mm-hmm. - There in the first half.
07:27 And like I said, I don't know how we were only down six.
07:30 I think it was a 40-34.
07:33 - Yeah. - Yeah, 40-34.
07:35 So it was kind of like you're like,
07:37 you know, "Uh, you know, this is a...
07:40 we've got to look at the positive, like, all right, we're in this game.
07:43 We shouldn't... we shouldn't or could be completely out of this game."
07:48 So we're lucky that we're, you know, doing a good job.
07:52 And that was all spurred by Anton offensively.
07:55 I mean, he had 32 on the night,
07:57 but he was fantastic in the first half as well.
08:00 14 of 18 overall for the game, which is nuts.
08:03 Nine rebounds.
08:06 Did have five turnovers, but whatever.
08:08 He's handling the ball more than he probably should be.
08:10 You know what I mean? They threw it to him every time down.
08:12 So sometimes I'm always like, usage rate matters for turnovers.
08:16 Six deals.
08:18 I think he broke the record or isn't he close...
08:22 I think he got the second all-time last game or whatever.
08:25 I think he's close. I think that's what...
08:27 I believe that's what Huddy said.
08:28 Yeah, that's what I thought too.
08:30 But yeah, it's pretty cool that he's going to have that.
08:33 Yeah, totally.
08:34 You just keep looking like, man, he really plays good,
08:37 you know, on-ball defense and steals and stuff.
08:39 Made all this free throws,
08:40 but if it wasn't for him in the first half,
08:42 we, I mean, we were literally down 20.
08:44 I mean, nobody could score. Couldn't shoot.
08:50 Just didn't have anything going.
08:52 And like I said, to me, it looked...
08:56 It just looked lack of effort, man.
08:59 And I hate to say that, but I'm getting to that point where
09:02 there's certain losses like Purdue.
09:05 Great effort. Absolutely great effort.
09:09 UConn, just a better team. One of those.
09:14 Yeah, they played harder, okay?
09:17 But just a kind of a juggernaut.
09:19 Yeah.
09:20 UW, pretty good effort for about 35 minutes,
09:24 mental layers down the stretch.
09:26 You know what I'm saying?
09:27 But I'm never going no effort.
09:30 San Diego State, that's the one where I'm like,
09:32 well, you kind of got pushed around.
09:34 You know what I'm saying?
09:35 Yeah.
09:36 And so that's where I'm starting to get to where
09:38 I'm hoping guys understand that
09:40 you have to have a little bit more focus, man,
09:46 coming into these games.
09:47 And I hate to be just critical, but it just wasn't there.
09:50 And it was frustrating to watch.
09:53 Going into the second half, it was like, okay.
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10:30 Going into the second half, it was like, okay.
10:33 You know, played bad.
10:35 One for 12 from three in the first.
10:37 It's like, oh, God, here we go.
10:39 Shot it okay in the first.
10:41 43% is not great, but it's not like, you know,
10:43 you're in the upper third.
10:44 You know what I'm saying?
10:45 Like, you can survive on that 15 to 35.
10:48 So, you're like, okay.
10:50 You know, only down six, and Santa Clara hasn't beat us,
10:53 and there's 27 times in a row or 26 times in a row,
10:56 so they're going to figure out a way to shit their pants.
10:58 [Laughter]
10:59 You know, that's what you think.
11:00 It's what you think.
11:01 That's what you think with all these,
11:02 a lot of these WCC teams.
11:04 You're like, oh, they're going to figure out a way
11:05 to piss down their leg, and, you know,
11:09 we're going to steal one and laugh,
11:10 and then try to get better at it.
11:13 So, you know, going into the second,
11:15 it was like, okay, you know, you get chewed out
11:17 in the locker room.
11:18 You chew each other out.
11:19 You know what I mean?
11:20 Like, that's what it should be.
11:21 It's like, hey, guys, it should be a team-led thing,
11:23 not Phuey.
11:24 Like, hey, man, what the hell is going on?
11:25 Like, we're getting beat by 18 on the glass.
11:27 Like, this is embarrassing.
11:28 When you get going, come on.
11:30 You know, all those things, like, those are team-led things.
11:35 And for the most part, to start that second half,
11:38 we weren't good at all as well.
11:39 Like, it was, the energy was terrible
11:41 to come out in the second half.
11:43 So that's where I'm just starting to wonder, like,
11:46 you know, I know the staff prepares these guys.
11:50 They have for 20 years.
11:51 I've watched this guy.
11:52 It's never a scheme thing.
11:53 It really isn't.
11:54 And I'm just, that's not a homage to my former coach
11:58 or, and whatever, and teammates that are coaches now.
12:02 They know what the hell they're doing.
12:03 It's not a question of being prepared
12:07 and understanding, having a plan for these teams
12:11 and these opposite personnels.
12:15 It is, to me, it's starting to look like,
12:17 is the guys starting to understand that, you know,
12:20 the value of playing hard right away,
12:23 getting each other going, holding each other accountable,
12:27 playing for each other, right?
12:29 That's another thing that people misunderstand sometimes.
12:32 You know, you think if you have a coach,
12:35 you're playing for the coach of the university,
12:37 you should be playing for each other.
12:38 You know, screw the other stuff.
12:40 You know, hold each other accountable,
12:41 that type of thing.
12:42 And it looked the same coming out of the second half.
12:45 And I was just shaking my head.
12:46 I'm like, what, what is going on?
12:49 Like, just getting killed on the glass.
12:51 They had a kid that had five offensive rebounds
12:53 on the first half that literally plays like five minutes a game.
12:56 - Oh, really? - Number 44,
12:57 whatever his name is, and, and, can you say that name?
13:02 Ensminger?
13:03 - Ensminger?
13:04 Jake Ensminger?
13:05 - Yeah, like literally doesn't play.
13:07 And had five offensive rebounds in the first half.
13:10 Like, killed us.
13:11 You know what I mean?
13:12 Like, that's a guy that, no offense to him,
13:15 but it probably, he was on the scouting report,
13:17 but he wasn't circled or whatever.
13:19 - Right, well, he played six minutes
13:21 and got five offensive rebounds.
13:23 That's crazy.
13:24 - It was just pure effort.
13:25 And he was just flying around.
13:27 And the kid doesn't, you know, doesn't score,
13:31 or scores a bucket,
13:32 but like he can, after they beat us, obviously,
13:36 he can go and be like,
13:38 "I made a legitimate impact on that game by just effort."
13:41 - Yeah.
13:42 - Didn't do anything skill-wise.
13:44 Got a putback, but like, you know what I'm saying?
13:46 Like, just flew around.
13:47 I got six minutes.
13:49 I guarantee like that coaching staff's like,
13:51 "You know what?
13:52 "Maybe at the later, later in the season,
13:54 "if there's a game where we can put him in,
13:56 "we trust him, or going into next year."
13:58 Like, that kid's going to be probably in line
14:00 to be legitimately in the rotation,
14:02 because he busted his tail.
14:04 You know, those things win games,
14:06 but same thing, like I said, going into the second half.
14:09 Just absolutely no energy, no fight.
14:13 We get down 12 or 13.
14:15 We do a really good job in the middle of that second half
14:19 with Huff's crew.
14:20 Braden comes in, and we start making a run.
14:24 He actually had a really good game, in my opinion.
14:26 He only played 19 minutes, six of 10.
14:29 Four rebounds, 14 points, short action.
14:34 Five rebounds, excuse me.
14:37 So played good.
14:41 And then he had, you know, how the rotations work.
14:44 EK came in, and he played the last about five and a half minutes.
14:48 So that, from about, I think it was about 11 to 8, 7,
14:54 we started making a run, and we started, you know,
14:57 getting back to looking like Zags, you know, dribble handoffs to layup,
15:02 turn in the corner, put backs.
15:04 Obviously Anton was killing.
15:05 We were throwing it to him every time down.
15:07 That's all we could do.
15:10 And then I thought Ryan had a good spurt during that time.
15:14 Ends up at 21 points, 90-19, not terrible, not great, not bad.
15:22 You know, 90-19 is not terrible at all.
15:25 But fought because he was bad in the first half.
15:27 I think he was in the three for nines or something like that.
15:31 So I think he finished six for 10 in the second half.
15:33 So he had a good second half is what I'm trying to get to.
15:37 Four offensive rebounds, five assists, no turnover.
15:39 So he handled the ball, and he handled the pressure.
15:43 He made enough plays, one for six from three.
15:45 That's another bad three-point shooting game.
15:48 But 90-19 overall and gets to 21.
15:50 If you have that the rest of the year, I'll live with it every single time.
15:53 And the five assists, no turnovers.
15:55 So I'm not going to hammer his effort, especially in the second half.
16:01 Graham wasn't good.
16:03 Five points, 17 minutes, got in foul trouble, two of six.
16:07 Fouled out, actually.
16:09 Yeah.
16:10 He was in foul trouble at the end of the first half, right?
16:14 He had three fouls?
16:15 He had three.
16:16 He had a dumb one.
16:17 It was just dumb.
16:19 I don't think it was his fault, but it was also like one of those
16:22 where you got to kind of know where you are on the floor.
16:27 He had one -- it was the one where he was going for a loose ball on a rebound,
16:32 and that's when we were like screaming --
16:34 the guys were screaming at whoever was on the floor to rebound
16:37 as we were getting our ass kicked.
16:39 And a kid gets it at like their three-point -- our three-point line going there,
16:43 you know, the opposite floor, and he like runs into him on his back.
16:47 It's one of those where the official like beep and like looks at him like, "Ugh."
16:51 He knows I just gave this guy his third foul, but it's kind of like,
16:53 "Dude, what are you doing?
16:54 Like get out of the way."
16:56 So he was just off all night.
16:58 He didn't look good, just out of rhythm.
17:01 I thought they did a good job with their bigs.
17:03 Santa Clara actually has a really nice built roster.
17:07 Like they have a bunch of bigs.
17:09 The Bala kid is a fantastic -- like looks like could be an NBA-type body.
17:14 We tried to get him years ago.
17:16 He ended up going to Arizona and then transferred, obviously.
17:20 He was sought after at Gonzaga, so, you know, he's good enough to play for us.
17:24 He's good.
17:25 He ended up making the game-winning bucket for them, you know what I mean,
17:29 on just a pure iso.
17:31 But they got that big from Francisco Cafaro from -- where is it at -- Virginia.
17:39 Then their other two bigs inside.
17:41 So they were like 6'11", 7'4".
17:43 You know what I mean?
17:44 Like they always have bigs that don't look like a WCC big, if that makes sense.
17:49 Like that type of roster.
17:51 So they're difficult to play against.
17:53 And they're one of the schools that I think benefits the most from Transfer Portal.
17:58 Yeah, I was going to say, you mentioned it last week.
18:00 Yeah, I do.
18:01 And that's a great example.
18:02 Yeah, like most of their guys, they reload through the Transfer Portal.
18:06 I mean, they've won 20-plus games, I think, three last season.
18:09 So like they went to the NIT.
18:11 Like they know what they're doing.
18:13 Like it's -- you know, obviously you want to make the NCAA tournament.
18:15 They're like trending in the right direction, and they have a good roster.
18:18 But they had Buzinski or whatever his name is playing for the Warriors last year.
18:23 He literally played like two minutes a game at Illinois,
18:26 and then now he's playing one year,
18:28 and then now he's like playing heavy minutes for the Warriors.
18:31 You know what I mean?
18:32 But it's a perfect school to transfer to.
18:35 Like what if you're a fifth-year guy or, you know,
18:38 a guy that's played in a bigger program,
18:40 and you kind of want to not go down a level,
18:43 but you just want to get to just playing hoops again.
18:46 Hey, come to Santa Clara.
18:48 Like sure.
18:49 I don't know if you've ever walked that campus.
18:52 It's probably one of the best in the West Coast Conference.
18:54 Like facilities, nice, good-looking girls.
19:00 You know, that's a real thing.
19:02 Totally.
19:03 And obviously the weather is beautiful.
19:06 You're like in the Bay, so you can get to San Francisco if you want.
19:09 And obviously you can get to L.A. if you want to drive.
19:11 You know what I mean?
19:12 Like you have every type of option.
19:14 San Jose is clean, nice city.
19:16 You know what I'm saying?
19:17 Yeah, it's a great place.
19:18 So they are going to continue to do well in the transfer portal.
19:23 Because if I was my last year playing college basketball,
19:26 and you're not going to be like a superstar, but like sure,
19:30 I want to have fun and be on a team that's trying to win,
19:33 I would go to Santa Clara.
19:35 I'll tell you, you know.
19:36 Wins like this too will help that too.
19:38 Yeah.
19:39 No, absolutely.
19:40 So it was an interesting game.
19:44 Okay, so, you know, let's -- sorry I went on a tangent a little bit.
19:47 But let's get back to -- you know, we make that run.
19:50 Like I said, Huff was playing well.
19:53 The normal sub is, you know, get Graham back out there.
19:56 Huff's playing his normal minutes,
19:58 so it's not like he got two minutes in Yankee played 19 minutes.
20:01 So he got plenty of time.
20:05 We get into that last media timeout.
20:09 We have a couple plays here and there that we do make
20:13 and then don't make, and the game gets super tight.
20:20 We get a stop with -- what are we, up one?
20:24 Yeah, we get a stop up one with Nemhard going to the line.
20:29 He's our best free throw shooter by percentage.
20:32 I think he's in the upper 80s, 89 or something like that.
20:36 About 25 -- no, probably 30 seconds left,
20:39 and goes to the line and misses the first of the 101.
20:43 And it was one of those -- and this is not to be too critical,
20:45 but like right when it left his end, it was like, "Oh, that's not going in."
20:48 You know what I mean?
20:49 Like I could tell right away, it was like, "Oh."
20:50 So they get the rebound, come down,
20:54 and they just put it in their best player's hands, a ball, a Dama ball,
20:59 who had a pretty good game, 7-16, had 17 points,
21:03 but he had a good end of the game.
21:05 And had like an iso play with Nolan on the left-hand side,
21:11 like left mid-wing area, and just did like a sweep and go or a Hesi and go,
21:17 and got Nolan in the air and got an and one on it.
21:23 It was a foul.
21:24 I remember watching it after because from my angle, it was like,
21:26 "Oh, that looked like a cheap foul."
21:28 But Nolan came underneath him when he landed, so it was the correct call.
21:33 And one goes in, so you're like, "Okay, we're down two or we're down one."
21:37 But there's like four seconds left,
21:39 and it kind of worked out best for Santa Clara,
21:42 and I want to just float this idea.
21:46 Let's say you're up one, and we took a timeout,
21:52 and you know we already have a play, an OB under full court play drawn up,
21:59 Vandy, you know, or whatever it's called.
22:02 But you can only run it if they make it.
22:04 And so you know they're only going to get a three off,
22:07 so it's kind of like the field goal in football.
22:10 Like if you're only up one and go up two, it doesn't matter,
22:13 so you might as well go for the two-point conversion to go up three.
22:16 You get what I'm saying?
22:17 So you see teams do that now like in the olden days,
22:20 "Take the extra point," you know, but now it's like, "No, it doesn't matter.
22:24 It's a worthless point."
22:27 And so Ball misses the free throw, and we obviously get the rebound,
22:33 but we've got to go the length of the court with no play
22:36 that you can really run with like three and a half seconds.
22:39 So right when he misses, it's like, "Oh, that sucks.
22:41 No, we can't run anything."
22:43 And then, you know, Anton comes down and tries to make a pass.
22:46 We didn't have a chance.
22:49 And they win the game, storm the court and all that stuff.
22:51 But I was sitting there like, "I wonder. I doubt it.
22:54 But I wonder if I'm a coach, like do I tell my kid to miss that
22:58 knowing they don't have any timeouts?"
23:01 It has to be no timeouts.
23:04 If they do have timeouts, make it go up to--
23:07 obviously, you know, they could throw the length,
23:10 and if they make a two-pointer, you only go into overtime.
23:12 You know what I mean? You don't lose the game.
23:14 So it was interesting when he hit that--or missed that long free throw.
23:17 I was like, "Oh, that actually worked out better for them."
23:21 And then, you know, like I said, they stormed the court first time,
23:23 and I think it was 26 games.
23:26 - 26? Yeah, I think that's the number that--
23:28 - 26 games that we haven't beat--
23:32 or they haven't beat Gonzaga, Santa Clara.
23:34 So I think it was 2012 or something like that was the actual year.
23:38 It was crazy, a decade.
23:40 And with all the good teams they've had,
23:42 Keating, the head coach before them, had good teams,
23:45 had good scoring teams, and obviously--
23:49 what's the guy's name?
23:52 I'm trying to think of his name.
23:55 It's just completely lost it.
23:57 What's his name?
23:58 - The Santa Clara coach? - Yeah.
24:00 - Oh, like the-- - Herb Sindick.
24:02 - Herb Sindick, yeah. - I don't know why I keep--
24:04 yeah, I don't know why I blinked on that one.
24:07 He has, you know, obviously good teams with the NIT last year,
24:10 so it's just crazy that they haven't dumbed into a win before that.
24:14 - Right. - You know, there's a bunch of crazy streaks
24:17 we have with a lot of these clubs.
24:20 But it was wild, you know, because we're sitting right on the courts,
24:24 people storming and going crazy, and you're just like,
24:27 "Don't run into us," but you're also just like,
24:30 "Cool, man, it's cool," you know, because the kids are having fun.
24:35 - What was the atmosphere like?
24:36 Because that was one thing you were talking about on the radio,
24:38 is that I feel like every time we kind of got back into the game,
24:43 they made a three, and then just got right back in it.
24:46 And that crowd really did--
24:49 I mean, even on TV you could hear it, you could feel it.
24:52 - Yeah, well, they did a good job. It was Steve Nash night.
24:55 - Oh, that's right, it was Steve Nash night.
24:57 - It was Steve Nash night, which was cool.
24:59 They gave out pretty nice throwback jerseys,
25:03 so everybody was wearing the '11s, old Bronco jerseys,
25:07 and they wore the old ones, which were cool.
25:11 And so the crowd was hyped.
25:13 He did a good job getting the crowd up.
25:15 I think they said it was his first time being in the building in like 20 years.
25:18 - That's crazy.
25:19 - It's crazy that he never had a chance to go back, or didn't want to,
25:22 or just didn't have time, didn't care, whatever.
25:27 So the crowd was good, and then the way we started--
25:31 and then you're exactly right.
25:33 Every time we'd make a push, they made a big-time play,
25:36 or we wouldn't make a play that you're supposed to make
25:41 to continue the momentum, like a fast break
25:44 that didn't happen, or a pass that should have happened,
25:47 or late closeout on a three, or missed ball screen coverage.
25:51 There was a ton of those where you're just like,
25:53 "Oh, man, there goes the momentum again.
25:55 We're still in it, but dang, man, we've got to make those plays
25:58 and then we can overtake this and then make them be like,
26:05 'Oh, here we go again. We're going to lose to Gonzaga once again.'"
26:08 That's what happens to a lot of these teams.
26:11 - It definitely felt like that the last 30 seconds.
26:13 We had the lead, we went to line, and you're like,
26:16 "Oh, we're going to sneak out of there here with a win."
26:19 - "We're going to steal this one, and then we can get a day off
26:23 or whatever, or a unit off, whatever it's called,
26:27 a segment off in the schedule," and it just didn't happen.
26:31 Again, we're going to go broken record here,
26:34 but look at our three-point.
26:36 - Two and 20. - Two for 20, man.
26:38 Just when I thought we were turning the corner,
26:41 we shot over 40% in the last two games of the first two home openers.
26:45 So on the last episode, I was like, "Well, maybe it's starting to come."
26:50 The guys are getting their reps in, and they can shoot,
26:53 and blah, blah, blah. They're high-level players, all that stuff.
26:58 - I mean, that is-- - Just bit us in the ass.
27:00 - It's crazy. That is the game, though, because that's 18 empty possessions.
27:06 - I know. It's crazy. - And they'll only lose by a point.
27:09 - I know. It's crazy. - It's just--
27:11 I mean, we shot at both teams 10 for 14 from the free-throw line,
27:14 so there was no discrepancy on who got a better whistle.
27:17 They go 9 for 28. It's only 32%, but they get 27 points off threes.
27:23 Only shoot at 44%, but plus 13 on the glass for Santa Clara.
27:29 That's a huge-- I don't think we've lost double digits
27:33 to a West Coast Conference team in probably five years.
27:37 And maybe it's happened in a game where we--
27:40 sometimes it goes weird when you shoot 60%
27:43 and the other team blows you out on the rebound.
27:45 - You're like, "Okay." - Yeah.
27:47 You know what I'm saying? Plus 13 for Santa Clara on the glasses
27:51 - and crazy stat. - That is, yeah.
27:54 So I just-- Again, I got to go back to focus.
28:03 Some of the little stuff, man.
28:05 Because I could talk about the three-point shooting.
28:07 We've talked a lot about that this year.
28:09 Yeah, we've talked a lot about it, and again, it's a make-or-miss deal.
28:13 I was going to ask, like--
28:16 I love making excuses for anything, but sickness going around?
28:20 - I don't know. - I don't know. I don't think so.
28:23 Because Ben Gregg getting in there for 26 minutes and--
28:26 Yeah, you got to talk about it.
28:28 He has 22, his career high the game before, and then 0-4s.
28:33 And then we got to be fair, Dusty Stromer, 0-2 in 18 minutes, 0 points.
28:38 One rebound.
28:40 I know the play that he got. He didn't play the last probably 13 minutes or whatever.
28:47 He overhelped on a drive by the Cafaro kid, who's not a scoring big.
28:54 He's kind of just a big dude.
28:56 And he was driving from 12 feet in and he overhelped,
29:00 and they corner kicked it for a wide-open three and made it.
29:03 If you called timeout, he literally stared at him for five seconds
29:07 and then just subbed him out and didn't play the rest of the game.
29:11 But that's focus and stuff.
29:13 But that's what you've been talking about all year.
29:16 Is that the weak side help?
29:19 Yeah, on a team like Santa Clara, who shoots a ton of threes,
29:24 and they shot it, I think, 38% going in.
29:26 So they're statistically one of the better ones in the WCC.
29:29 And one of the better ones statistically on volume in the country.
29:32 If you're shooting in the upper 30s and shooting a ton of them, you're good.
29:36 And they look at effective field goal percentage.
29:38 So for them, they go, "All right, we only shot 32%,
29:42 but we get 3 points for a make, obviously.
29:45 So we get 27 points on 28 field goal attempts."
29:50 Gotcha.
29:51 Effective field goal percentage.
29:53 So a lot of people are like, "That's actually pretty good, 1 point a shot."
29:57 You get what I'm saying?
29:59 So the mindset has changed over the last 5, 10 years,
30:02 especially analytically, especially the higher levels.
30:06 If you shoot a ton of threes, you can go 10 for 30 and be like,
30:09 "Dude, we got a point every time we shot it."
30:11 Yeah. Right, yeah.
30:13 So it's different, and that's how some teams view it.
30:19 So, yeah, I just got to go back to--
30:23 I don't know if there's mishaps in the locker room as far as leadership.
30:31 Like I said, I know they're prepared.
30:33 I know they're coached right.
30:35 I know they're schemed right.
30:37 I think some of it's got to be--you got to have a little bit more edge.
30:41 You can't come out flat.
30:42 You're not good enough to come out flat, and that's just the truth.
30:45 No team really ever is, but some teams are more talented than others.
30:50 Last year we had some flat moments, but we also had this guy
30:53 who broke the scoring record and another guy that's playing minutes
30:57 for the defending world champions.
30:59 You know what I mean?
31:01 We had those two guys, and then Malachi Smith was pretty good.
31:04 Obviously, Rashear Bolton was pretty good.
31:06 You know what I mean?
31:07 You just go down the line, it's like, "Oh, okay."
31:09 So I just--I don't know, man.
31:13 That was a frustrating one.
31:15 I mean, we're over halfway through the season.
31:17 Can a leader emerge during this?
31:19 Is that like--
31:20 That's a good question.
31:21 I mean, I think so, but maybe it's just guys need to be more vocal,
31:26 like I mentioned earlier, that are candidates.
31:31 But also, as an individual, if you go out and play harder,
31:37 people will follow as well.
31:39 So that part just keeps bothering me.
31:41 It's just like--didn't play hard at the start,
31:45 and then the start of the second half, and then minus 13 on the glass,
31:48 and then I think all that stuff filters over to shooting too.
31:56 And I know it sounds funny, but if you play hard
31:58 and put yourself in the right spot, I believe in basketball karma,
32:02 the ball will go in for you eventually, you know what I'm saying,
32:05 because you're doing the right things.
32:07 You're getting all your reps during the week and all that stuff.
32:11 If you play hard and sprint and cut hard and play defense
32:15 and try to get offensive rebounds, things will start to go your way.
32:19 Ball will bounce in. It's basketball karma.
32:23 So I don't know, man.
32:24 I was really disappointed.
32:26 Wasn't disappointed when we lost Purdue.
32:28 Wasn't disappointed when we lost UConn.
32:30 I mean, obviously we wanted to win, but as far as effort and then matchups,
32:34 like, okay, San Diego State, a little bit disappointed.
32:38 Got pushed around.
32:40 Santa Clara, really disappointed.
32:42 Got pushed around and didn't make enough plays down the stretch.
32:47 Even if we came and made those free throws, I'd come and say the same thing.
32:51 I'd be like, our effort was terrible.
32:53 We're lucky to get a win.
32:54 That would be the only difference.
32:56 It's like we were lucky to get a win,
32:58 and it's a scary proposition going forward if this is how we're going to play.
33:05 So, yeah, hopefully it'll get better.
33:07 We got the weird schedule.
33:09 We're going to play San Diego and Pepperdine again,
33:12 so we get them out of the way.
33:15 So this is going to be turned out to be a big road trip, as funny as it sounds.
33:19 I know we beat both teams pretty handily, but we're 0 for 2 on the road.
33:24 And then we lost on a neutral in Seattle.
33:27 It's technically a home game, right?
33:30 Yeah.
33:31 So it's turned out that it's going to be a bigger game than we expect.
33:37 Pepperdine first, I think, on Thursday.
33:41 We've always, the last few years, too, we've won by double figures down there,
33:46 but like Huddy always points it out.
33:48 He's really good when he dives into the numbers.
33:50 He's like, we'll be up like 6 with like 6 minutes to go.
33:55 You know, every time we play down there, it's weird.
33:58 It's not a crazy crowd.
33:59 It's mostly a Gonzaga crowd.
34:01 It's a weird gym.
34:03 They always just play us good in their home gym, obviously,
34:06 and we end up, oh, we won by 14.
34:08 Good job.
34:09 And you're just like, man, this was kind of a game with 6 minutes to go.
34:12 You know what I mean?
34:13 So we better not mess around and have a lackadaisical attitude.
34:16 So hopefully that message is getting consumed by the players
34:21 because I know it's been addressed.
34:23 But it's just, I don't know, man.
34:25 It's crazy.