RHOC_ Why Tamra Judge Ended Friendship With Vicki Gunvalson and Shannon Beador (
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00:00 Your fallout with the Trace Amigas and being called a real-life traitor.
00:03 Why did things go so left seemingly so fast?
00:07 There was some things they had said about me behind my back that got back to me.
00:11 And it didn't sit well with me.
00:14 And I, you know, 2024, I'm not going to be around toxic people that are,
00:19 you know, if you're my friend, be my friend.
00:21 If I'm doing something or saying something, you know, like, come to me and tell me.
00:28 We're in the library. Is this giving you flashbacks?
00:30 It is. Save me.
00:32 I'm a little freaked out. We got to get buried alive.
00:39 Which coffin do you want?
00:42 It's really not as bad as it seems. Trust me, you get used to it.
00:45 See you on the other side.
00:48 Oh, God.
00:48 Get me out of here.
00:51 I can't. Nope, nope. I can't do it.
00:55 You didn't tell me you were going to lock it.
00:57 All right, Tamara, we've brought Scotland to Los Angeles.
01:01 I know. I walked in and I got chills all over my body.
01:05 It brought me back to being in that castle in Scotland.
01:08 Good vibes, bad vibes, somewhere in between. What are you feeling?
01:11 All of them, actually.
01:13 Sent a chill down your spine.
01:14 Yes. Yes.
01:15 Going into this experience, what did you expect and coming out of it?
01:20 Did it meet your expectations or was it a,
01:22 were you unprepared for what you stepped into?
01:26 First of all, I was scared to go, for one.
01:29 I'd never been away from my family for that long and not to have a phone
01:34 and have contact with my husband and my kids.
01:37 That was really hard for me and I almost backed out because I thought,
01:40 "I don't know if I can do it. I don't know if I can do it."
01:42 People keep throwing the housewives out there as traitors.
01:45 I don't think they've got it in them.
01:46 This is not The Bachelor and I don't have to kiss your ass for a rose.
01:50 First of all, I didn't know the cast when I got cast.
01:54 So I'm like, I didn't know who was going to be on it.
01:56 They told you you were going to be the only housewife.
01:58 Yes. They're very private over there. Very sneaky.
02:01 Yes. They told me I was going to be the only housewife.
02:03 So that actually scared me because I thought, "Okay, well, who am I going to know?
02:06 I'm not going to know anybody."
02:08 And then plus I know there's all these gaming shows like Big Brother and Survivor.
02:12 I don't know any of those people and they're pros at this.
02:16 So going into it, I was a little bit scared.
02:19 I would have to say the one person that shocked me was Dan.
02:24 Okay. Dan Giesling, Big Brother legend.
02:27 Yeah. That little guy's vindictive.
02:30 Is that who viewers need to keep an eye on as they watch the series?
02:32 Or is there someone else they should also keep an eye on?
02:35 Well, I think instantly, as soon as I met everybody, Parvati was...
02:40 I just didn't fully trust her.
02:42 She was very sweet, very kind, but I knew something about her I didn't trust.
02:46 Now, Janelle, who I ended up loving, I could see her mind going all the time.
02:51 She was thinking game strategy the entire time.
02:54 I was there to have fun.
02:55 You know what I mean?
02:56 I don't care about the money.
02:57 I just want to meet people, have fun, winning, great, love the money.
03:01 But it wasn't my motivation to go.
03:05 I wanted to go outside of my box.
03:07 And it was just the viewers to see me in a totally different way.
03:11 There's no friendships in this game.
03:13 I find you highly annoying.
03:15 It's just a ton of chaos.
03:16 Did you get any advice going in from, I'm thinking of the Bravo people from season one,
03:22 like Kate Chastain, Brandi Glanville?
03:24 Brandi wanted me to read these books.
03:26 She wanted me to prepare.
03:28 She wanted me to read psychology books.
03:29 And I'm like, "Girl, I'll be fine."
03:32 But she's like, "You have to do this.
03:35 You have to do that."
03:36 And I'm like, "I don't have time to do all that.
03:39 I'm just going to go and I'm going to do the best."
03:40 Of the names you named, I'm going to throw Phaedra in the mix there.
03:44 Yeah.
03:45 So Phaedra, I mean, she really fooled us all.
03:49 And then I caught on to her.
03:52 Because she would never talk game strategy with anybody.
03:56 She would pray for us, which everyone's like, "Oh, Phaedra, you're so sweet.
03:59 You're praying for us all the time."
04:01 I'm like, "Yeah, you're praying for us, but why are you talking game strategy?
04:03 What is going on?"
04:04 Red flag.
04:05 Yeah, it was the first red flag.
04:06 Some unexpected promo headed into this.
04:09 Your fallout with the Trace Amigas and being called a real life traitor.
04:13 Well, I'm sorry she didn't get chosen for this job.
04:16 Why did things go so left seemingly so fast?
04:21 It seemed like you guys were back in business both literally and figuratively.
04:26 I mean, there's some things I don't want to talk about because obviously we go on production
04:29 next week and it's going to be talked about.
04:32 As far as Vicky, I backed out of the Trace Amigas for some reasons that you probably
04:41 will hear about on Orange County Housewives.
04:43 Okay.
04:44 It's tough.
04:49 It's so twisted and there's so many layers to it.
04:52 It's hard for me to explain everything, but I didn't do anything to either one of them.
04:57 I was asked to do another show after we did Phoenix Show.
05:01 The agent called me and said, "Would you like to do another show?"
05:05 And I said, "You know what?
05:06 I really, I can't right now.
05:08 I have too many things on my plate.
05:10 I can't go on this tour with them."
05:12 They had already known that.
05:13 They know my schedule is super busy.
05:15 I have two podcasts and another one coming up with another Bravo Lab.
05:20 Okay.
05:21 Yep.
05:21 Is this the Kate Chastain rumor?
05:23 Yes.
05:24 So I just didn't have a lot of time to go traveling.
05:28 And I guess Vicky didn't like that.
05:32 And now she's calling me a traitor.
05:34 Does this feel like we're done for good?
05:35 Is there room to come back and be friends?
05:38 Listen, I never say never.
05:41 I don't like the way I was talked to.
05:42 I don't like the things that, the text messages that were sent to me.
05:45 I've been nothing but supportive.
05:48 I was so happy that they got a show on their own.
05:50 The Dos Omega, I don't even know what they're calling it.
05:53 I think it's just Vicky and Shannon.
05:55 Okay.
05:56 Well, I was happy.
05:57 I was happy.
05:57 And I warned them that I might not be able to continue this.
06:00 But I think what happened was when I announced that I was doing a live-
06:05 With Teddy.
06:06 Teddy.
06:07 But let me just tell you, they knew I was doing that.
06:10 I told them months ago I was doing it.
06:12 You know, it's a one-time thing that was put on by iHeart.
06:15 Right.
06:16 So it wasn't to take place or-
06:18 Yeah, you weren't swapping one for the other.
06:21 No, no, not at all.
06:22 All right.
06:22 So maybe the lesson is we don't get into business with friends moving forward.
06:27 Yeah.
06:27 I know you're going to save the conversations about Shannon for the show.
06:32 But how do you approach that going in when you're in this place?
06:35 I think it's difficult.
06:38 I think that people are going to understand my concerns.
06:43 And, you know, as far as the Trace Amiga show, I felt like we should not have done it
06:50 right after her DUI.
06:51 I felt like she needed to concentrate on herself.
06:53 And we changed the show a little bit and we went on.
06:57 Conversations were had between us about it and how I felt.
07:01 And, you know, I don't want to give too much away because I-
07:06 Obviously, it's going to be a-
07:07 Yeah.
07:08 Conversation on the show.
07:09 What would it take to get back into a good place?
07:13 What would you-
07:13 Because you compared it to taking a giant dump as if this huge relief is off your shoulders.
07:18 Yeah.
07:18 Being in a friendship that feels like that isn't a great place to live, I don't think.
07:22 If you feel like you're holding all this weight with you.
07:24 No, no.
07:25 There was some things they had said about me behind my back that got back to me.
07:30 And it didn't sit well with me.
07:34 And I, you know, 2024, I'm not going to be around toxic people that are-
07:39 You know, if you're my friend, be my friend.
07:40 If I'm doing something or saying something, you know, like, come to me and tell me.
07:44 You know, that's what Teddy does with me.
07:45 Like, we hold each other accountable.
07:47 Like, when BravoCon, I told Teddy, "You shouldn't have done that
07:51 with the Vicky situation on 'Swatch the Baby.'"
07:53 I did.
07:54 I originally thought that maybe you just had issues between me and Tamara being such close
07:59 friends.
07:59 Then I realized you were probably just triggered by somebody that actually has cancer.
08:03 Oh.
08:04 That's so gross.
08:06 You're gross.
08:08 You weren't right.
08:08 And she's like, "Okay, you're right."
08:10 You know, and those are the type of friends that I want.
08:12 And I don't want friends that are stabbing me in the back and talking behind my back.
08:16 So I wish them both all the success in the world.
08:20 But until things change, you know, I don't need to be a part of it.
08:26 Okay.
08:27 The internet is speculating that they'll grab Kelly Dodd and make her the new Trace Amiga.
08:33 Good for them.
08:33 I hope they sell a lot of tickets with that.
08:36 You know what?
08:36 This is Satan doing its work and that's who she is.
08:41 She's evil.
08:43 She reacted to all of this by saying, "Satan was working through you on this earth."
08:47 Wait, Satan was saying that?
08:49 Yeah.
08:49 And Kelly said, "Satan was working through you."
08:52 So Satan was telling you this?
08:53 Okay, I'm getting what you're saying.
08:54 Got it.
08:55 So this is all tied up in Alexis Bolino kind of reentering the scene.
09:00 Yes.
09:00 How much Alexis do you think we're going to get to see moving forward?
09:04 I don't know.
09:04 I don't even know if Alexis is coming on the show.
09:06 I don't even know if she...
09:07 I mean, there's so much stuff on the internet saying that she has a contract.
09:10 I don't know any of this.
09:11 All I know, Bryce, I'm telling you right now, I saw her at BravoCon.
09:16 We had not spoken in years.
09:18 It was me, Andy, and Alexis.
09:20 And we were sitting there talking for, it seemed like at least an hour.
09:23 Me and Alexis made up.
09:24 Andy just hovered over us with big hearts in his eyes.
09:27 He was so happy.
09:28 You know, it was just like, it was just the perfect situation.
09:32 I have not seen her.
09:34 I have talked to her a couple of times.
09:35 I don't know.
09:37 When they ran into each other, John and Alexis, I thought that they just ran into each other.
09:42 Yeah.
09:42 And at the Quiet One because they had two separate groups.
09:45 Who cares?
09:46 Took a picture together.
09:48 Who cares?
09:48 Now that they're dating, do you read into it as a calculated move?
09:52 Or do you think it's legit love connection?
09:54 No, I don't know about the love connection.
09:56 All I know is it wasn't a calculated move.
09:58 I actually was on my podcast and I said, "Listen, they ran into each other.
10:02 Why is the press jumping to the conclusion that they're dating?
10:06 Like just because somebody takes a picture together doesn't mean they're dating."
10:09 And so a week went by and she called me and she goes, "Thank you so much for sticking up for me.
10:14 That's exactly what it is."
10:15 We took a picture together.
10:16 And then a month later, we started seeing more pictures and she called me and she said,
10:21 "We're dating now."
10:23 And I was floored.
10:25 I had no idea.
10:26 But she and Shannon don't know each other.
10:28 So it's not like she necessarily owed her anything.
10:30 There's no girl code.
10:31 They don't know each other.
10:32 They didn't work together.
10:34 I mean, is it ironic or is it karma?
10:37 The night that Shannon got her DUI, she was texting me that Alexis was in the bar,
10:45 the restaurant she was at.
10:46 And I said, she goes, "What do I do?"
10:49 She comes up to me, I go, "Just be nice to her."
10:51 All right.
10:52 Interesting groundwork is laid for season 18.
10:55 Yeah.
10:56 Likely some tough conversations ahead.
10:58 We are set up for a really good season.
11:00 To bring it back to the Traders, we're doing a little mini version of the Traders here tonight.
11:05 I know.
11:06 What is your advice to me as we head into this challenge tonight?
11:10 Trust nobody.
11:11 Not even you?
11:12 No.
11:12 All right.
11:13 I don't anyway.
11:14 Don't trust nobody.
11:14 Right!
11:15 Right!
11:16 Right!
11:16 [LAUGHTER]
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