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00:00 Mohsin Ijaz our reporter is present with us, let's ask him,
00:03 because the Supreme Court covers it, has there been any news
00:06 that what has happened to Mohsin?
00:08 After all, what is the reason for this resignation?
00:10 Look, the copy of his resignation that has come
00:14 of Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan, in that he has said that
00:17 he does not want to continue the work,
00:19 therefore he is resigning completely.
00:21 But I have to tell you about the means that
00:23 recently in the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
00:25 things were going on,
00:27 and he had written some controversial notes
00:30 regarding the formation of the Judiciary.
00:32 And we saw that during the formation of the various benches,
00:35 these things came to light,
00:37 and when the show-cause was launched
00:39 on the case of Justice Muzahir Ali Akbar Naqvi,
00:42 the second one, which was launched like the fourth one,
00:45 in that he had written a very detailed dissenting note,
00:49 and in that he had said that...
00:51 But Mohsin, this is a routine thing,
00:53 you must remember when Qazi Faizan Sahib
00:55 was the senior puny judge,
00:57 at that time he also used to write notes,
00:59 but he also did not get a bench.
01:01 Resigning on this is a very extreme step,
01:04 it cannot be done because of this.
01:06 Look, when the reference was launched
01:08 against Justice Qazi Faiz Isa,
01:10 you must remember,
01:12 when he challenged the Supreme Judicial Council's
01:15 proceedings and the show-cause notice
01:17 in the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
01:19 then the proceedings of the council had stopped.
01:21 And this was the case in the case of Justice Tihar Chaudhry.
01:24 We have seen that this did not happen
01:26 in the case of Justice Muzahir Ali Akbar Naqvi.
01:28 Look, the resignation of Justice Muzahir Ali Akbar Naqvi
01:31 and the current resignation,
01:33 both have a very deep connection.
01:35 Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan was also a member
01:37 of the Supreme Judicial Council.
01:39 And the council meeting that took place today,
01:41 he did not participate in it.
01:43 Before this, the things that happened on this matter,
01:46 the show-cause that was also launched,
01:48 he disagreed with that.
01:50 Then on the bench that was given,
01:52 he expressed his reservations.
01:54 Yes, but I am also saying this,
01:56 we know all these things,
01:58 these news are coming in the last few days.
02:00 But still, on this basis,
02:02 I don't understand the resignation of a judge.
02:05 I mean, it's still not reason enough
02:07 that because there was a disagreement,
02:09 because the Supreme Judicial Council,
02:11 because it was not against him.
02:13 Obviously, it could be against his friend,
02:15 but it is not against him.
02:17 So, resigning him, when he became the Chief Justice,
02:19 I still can't connect the dots
02:21 between the Supreme Judicial Council and the Supreme Court.
02:23 Look, all these things are still there.
02:25 He did not write anything in his resignation.
02:27 But the means by which we are getting to know,
02:29 the things that came in writing recently,
02:31 and what we saw, what we felt in the Supreme Court,
02:33 and since the past Chief Justice retired,
02:35 after that, instead of being less in these things,
02:37 a little, I consider him as a Supreme Court reporter,
02:39 that there was a little more intensity.
02:41 And Justice Jadhul Ahsan was not only a member
02:43 of the Supreme Judicial Council,
02:45 but he was also a member of that committee
02:47 that was practicing and participating
02:49 in the Supreme Judicial Council.
02:51 I have understood your question,
02:53 that these were not such cases,
02:55 that if he wanted, he would have stood
02:57 on his position and waited for his turn,
02:59 as Justice Qazif Ali Hissa has done.
03:01 But the means to say that these judges,
03:03 these two judges,
03:05 their position was that according to the law and the constitution,
03:07 the things that are written,
03:09 the rules of the Supreme Judicial Council,
03:11 the traditions of the previous one,
03:13 they are not being followed.
03:15 And the Supreme Judicial Council,
03:17 they were not being followed.
03:19 And they felt that they were being deliberately
03:21 targeted for ridicule.
03:23 And the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
03:25 as an institution,
03:27 did not stand with them.
03:29 And because of this,
03:31 they were very much tolerated.
03:33 And when Justice Muzari Ali Akbar Naqvi
03:35 resigned, see, he challenged
03:37 the proceedings against him,
03:39 and the allegations against him,
03:41 he answered each allegation.
03:43 That answer was on 34 pages.
03:45 He addressed all the allegations.
03:47 He did not run away from the allegations and resign.
03:49 So you are connecting this with Muzari Naqvi?
03:51 Yes, absolutely.
03:53 These two things are very deeply related.
03:55 And this is the reason
03:57 that he was very much tolerated.
03:59 And when Justice Muzari Ali Akbar Naqvi
04:01 started negotiating with his close friends
04:03 a day before his resignation,
04:05 then my sources confirmed
04:07 that he also
04:09 expressed to Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan
04:11 that I have tried
04:13 to stop the proceedings
04:15 of the Supreme Judicial Council,
04:17 and I will answer each and every
04:19 allegation in the Supreme Court.
04:21 But the Council did not stop the proceedings,
04:23 and the proceedings of the Council were going on.
04:25 So you still think that the proceedings of the Council
04:27 and the internal matters are the reason
04:29 why he resigned. Thank you very much,
04:31 Raja Mohsin. I think that
04:33 Muzari Naqvi resigned, but Mr. Kirmani
04:35 will be very happy today.
04:37 Mr. Kirmani, you will be very happy today
04:39 that Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan resigned.
04:41 I was told that you were
04:43 unnecessarily happy.
04:45 You are getting the support of the rest of your party.
04:47 You are getting it from me.
04:49 Look, Mr. Kashif,
04:51 as we have discussed here,
04:53 all the guests
04:55 or the court reporters
04:57 that you have met,
04:59 everybody is clueless.
05:01 Everybody is clueless.
05:03 Everybody is saying that there is a surprise.
05:05 Now, what is the real reason for this?
05:07 There is a lot of gossip in the market.
05:09 The real reason
05:11 is that the judge
05:13 should tell himself in the future.
05:15 Now, we can guess.
05:17 It is possible that he has a burden of conscience
05:19 that he has fallen from the burden of conscience.
05:21 It is possible that it is another burden.
05:23 I am saying that
05:25 it is possible
05:27 that he is feeling
05:29 uncomfortable.
05:31 So, the best person to answer
05:33 the reason and this question
05:35 is the judge himself.
05:37 And he should
05:39 be courageous.
05:41 He should be courageous.
05:43 He used to sit on the throne of the court.
05:45 He should come and tell
05:47 why he has resigned.
05:49 What are the reasons?
05:51 Actually, he will not tell
05:53 what are the various reasons and what to talk about.
05:55 That is true.