Amir Zia and Saleem Bokhari's analysis on Election 2024

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00:00 Salim Bukhari sahib, first of all I will come to you.

00:02 PMLN, especially after hearing Mariam Aurangzeb's speech,

00:06 it seems that PMLN wants elections to be held on 8th February

00:10 and no other party wants elections to be held on 8th February.

00:13 The interesting thing is that yesterday in the Senate,

00:15 there were senators from all three parties, People's Party, PTI and PMLN.

00:20 Each senator was present, no one pointed out the quorum.

00:23 This resolution could have been blocked there.

00:26 So if we look at it in that context, all the parties want to delay it

00:29 and if we listen to the talks, all the parties don't want to delay it.

00:32 Who wants to delay the elections, Salman?

00:35 Thank you very much Anika, you reminded us of your program.

00:40 Look, I request that they had to give this statement to Mariam Aurangzeb

00:44 because all the parties were saying that the Noon League doesn't want elections to be held on 8th February.

00:50 We heard this too, this was said on all the national media, all the TV talk shows.

00:56 So, I am not able to understand this clarification

00:59 because the senator who was present and gave a speech in opposition to this resolution,

01:04 he thought it was more appropriate to give a speech

01:07 but why didn't he point out the quorum and stop the approval of this resolution?

01:11 This is a very big question mark.

01:13 And this question is being asked and there is no plausible answer to it.

01:17 Senator Afnan said that he forgot to point out the quorum.

01:22 Forgetting this at the level of a senator is not an easy answer to be accepted.

01:29 Let's look at the background of this.

01:31 First of all, who made this resolution?

01:34 It was made by a senator who, if you remember,

01:38 had moved the resolution and bill for the civilian military court trial.

01:43 You remember, right?

01:44 Yes.

01:45 My colleagues will remember this too.

01:47 Then, let's go to the chairman of the senate.

01:52 He didn't find it appropriate to point out that there are 14 people sitting here

01:57 and they are voting for a resolution.

02:00 What will be the status of this?

02:02 If you look at their background,

02:04 the way they were elected as chairman of the senate,

02:06 I think we should all remember this.

02:09 Having said that, the two or three prominent voices

02:13 who wanted a Maulana Fazlur Rahman to be elected,

02:16 you remember, they were making excuses for the weather,

02:19 sometimes they were making excuses for the law and order situation,

02:22 sometimes they were making excuses for terrorism.

02:25 I think that whoever has moved this,

02:29 whoever has made it,

02:31 whoever wanted to take its benefit,

02:33 they are going to be very disappointed because

02:35 the kind of action that has been taken in the Supreme Court in this regard,

02:40 I will recall it a little bit if you allow me.

02:44 Firstly, when this issue came before the Supreme Court,

02:47 ultimately, the President of Pakistan and the Chief Election Commissioner

02:51 wrote and gave the writing that the elections will be on 8th February.

02:56 And after this guarantee, Qazi Faiz Insa said that

03:00 this should be considered as a stone on a hard place.

03:03 Okay?

03:04 Okay.

03:05 Look, this is because,

03:08 let me give you one more reference,

03:10 that when this issue came before the Supreme Court,

03:14 a few days before that,

03:15 the Chief Election Commissioner met with the Chief Justice

03:18 and all the other judges of the Supreme Court in the Supreme Court's prefaces.

03:22 After that, the impression that was there,

03:25 and my understanding is that,

03:27 with reference to 8th February,

03:29 the Supreme Court as a whole and the Chief Election Commissioner

03:32 are on the same page.

03:34 Now, if you accept this,

03:36 what are the powers that can benefit the election?

03:40 Right.

03:41 I think this is the most difficult question.

03:43 You can take my advice from my other colleagues.

03:46 Mr. Bukhari, this is the most important question.

03:49 Because, Amir Zia,

03:50 obviously, everyone is pointed to one side.

03:53 There is only one shoulder on which all the political parties also shoot,

03:57 generally.

03:58 And that is the shoulder of the establishment, generally.

04:00 But, the JUI that Mr. Salim Bukhari talked about is very important.

04:04 Because, there are some news reports circulating about Senator Dilawar.

04:09 And that is,

04:10 maybe he has a plan to join the JUI,

04:15 some such circumstances are being created and all.

04:17 And the JUI has already given a hint about the delay in the elections.

04:22 But Senator Dilawar says that,

04:24 "No one has given me any hint."

04:27 Now, those things that are visible,

04:30 but not visible openly,

04:31 look at them.

04:32 Or look at the things that are being said, Mr. Amir Zia.

04:36 It is a very interesting question.

04:38 How effective was the effort?

04:41 As we know, if only 14 members of the Senate were in support of it,

04:45 and some of them, 12 people, probably,

04:48 filled their consent,

04:50 it means that the Senate was not even on board.

04:53 Then, God knows the state of the districts.

04:55 But, all our political forces and non-political forces,

04:58 all of them are saying that the elections will be held on 8th February.

05:01 Do you remember, like you said,

05:03 if the establishment contract was used,

05:05 the Army Chief has said that,

05:06 "Sir, the elections will be held before the March elections in the Senate."

05:10 He said in that context that,

05:12 "It can be done in a couple of days,

05:13 which means that they will be held on time."

05:15 So, one thing is that,

05:17 all our major political forces, at least on paper,

05:20 they say that the elections will be held on time.

05:23 Okay, the second big thing,

05:24 they say that as soon as this resolution was passed,

05:27 Mr. Bukhari must have called,

05:29 we must have called,

05:30 to see what the situation is, who is what.

05:32 So, someone said a very interesting sentence to me,

05:34 that this is a very clever mind trick,

05:37 don't take it more than a trick.

05:39 Sometimes, some of our friends will also say that,

05:41 someone left a test balloon,

05:43 to see what reaction people get.

05:45 But, the reaction came as expected.

05:48 We are not surprised by this.

05:49 I mean, people say that,

05:51 only Jamaatul Mahdi Islam is one,

05:53 that's why they are saying that.

05:55 But, apart from that, all our political forces,

05:57 none of them have said this very strongly,

06:00 that the people's party is saying that,

06:02 the elections should be held on time.

06:03 Here, I think, there is a slight exaggeration,

06:05 that Muriam Aurangzeb Sahiba said that,

06:07 only Noon League wants the elections to be held on time.

06:09 I think, most politicians have this desire.

06:11 And, these people ask that,

06:12 till now, Noon League,

06:13 because, if you see,

06:14 the momentum of the election,

06:16 the momentum of the election campaign,

06:18 that has to be done now.

06:19 We don't see that very strongly.

06:21 The people's party has come into the forefront,

06:23 but, the people of Noon League are saying that,

06:25 the election has been done,

06:27 the head of this Jamaat will be tied up,

06:29 or has been tied up.

06:31 So, in that regard,

06:32 I should see a momentum of a large scale,

06:34 in the coming days of Noon League.

06:36 But, that hasn't been done yet.

06:38 It hasn't come into the ground yet.

06:39 The Jalsa Jalood has not started yet.

06:41 Absolutely.

06:42 Okay, behind the lack of momentum,

06:44 Salim Bukhari Sahib,

06:45 one reason is that,

06:46 the basic decisions that should be made,

06:48 in regards to the elections,

06:50 haven't come forward yet.

06:51 Issues are still being raised on tickets,

06:53 and within party,

06:54 there are many issues of PMLN.

06:56 For example, in NA-122,

06:58 there is an issue of Sheikh Rohail Azgar Sahib,

07:00 versus Ayaz Sadiq Sahib.

07:02 Then, in NA-96,

07:03 in Jadamala,

07:04 there is Talha Chaudhry,

07:06 and Nawab Sher Wasir.

07:08 On the other hand,

07:09 in Narowal,

07:10 we see Ahsan Iqbal Sahib,

07:11 Daniyal Aziz Sahib.

07:13 Then, Raja Riaz Sahib,

07:14 and Rana Ahsan Afzal Sahib,

07:17 who is the son of Rana Afzal Sahib,

07:20 we saw their issue,

07:21 after which Raja Riaz Sahib won.

07:23 So many meetings are taking place.

07:25 Even today,

07:26 there were meetings in Jati Umrah.

07:27 When will the issue of tickets be solved,

07:29 Bukhari Sahib?

07:30 After a month,

07:31 elections?

07:32 I don't see it being solved,

07:34 and I think that,

07:35 there will be many broken parties,

07:37 because,

07:38 one thing to understand is that,

07:40 at this time,

07:41 it is not one party,

07:42 it is three parties.

07:44 One is Nawaz Sharif Sahib,

07:45 who has a vote bank,

07:46 who has all his followers.

07:47 Another is Nawaz Sharif Sahib,

07:49 who has run the party in his absence.

07:51 He has been the Prime Minister,

07:53 and he has been close to some people.

07:56 A third big factor is,

07:57 the people of Maryam Nawaz,

07:59 who follow them,

08:01 who think that,

08:02 he will be the inheritor of the party,

08:04 ultimately,

08:05 they will have to rule.

08:06 So, when three parties,

08:07 when three parts are formed in one party,

08:10 or three branches are formed,

08:13 then the issue of tickets,

08:15 becomes controversial in the same way.

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