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Who were the 14 Senator who were present when election-delay resolution was passed?
"Yeh bareek wardad daali gai hai...," Hasan Ayub reacts to election-delay resolution
"Aj Security Or Budget Bhi Hai, ECP Bhi Election Karane Ke Liye Tayar Hai," Hassan Ayub analysis
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Who were the 14 Senator who were present when election-delay resolution was passed?
"Yeh bareek wardad daali gai hai...," Hasan Ayub reacts to election-delay resolution
"Aj Security Or Budget Bhi Hai, ECP Bhi Election Karane Ke Liye Tayar Hai," Hassan Ayub analysis
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00:11 Assalam-o-Alaikum, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program.
00:14 Ladies and gentlemen, in Pakistan, the state of Pakistan has one thing that is not lacking,
00:19 that is, there are such developments, such events that are surprising and shocking,
00:27 that one thinks that this can also happen in the state of Pakistan, in our beloved country,
00:32 it does not seem that this can happen, according to the law of Pakistan,
00:36 according to the parliamentary republic of Pakistan, according to the principle, according to the law scheme,
00:40 this cannot happen, but still such circumstances and events occur, then of course, it has to be discussed.
00:47 Today, the most important event that has happened in Pakistan, you know, ladies and gentlemen,
00:52 the date of the election has been announced in Pakistan, General Elections 8 February 2024,
01:00 you will remember when there was a controversy over it, the Supreme Court of Pakistan
01:05 told the Election Commission and the President of Pakistan to consult each other,
01:10 they consulted and then the Chief Justice and the other judges of the Supreme Court of Pakistan
01:19 were heading this decision, so it was that elections will be held in every way on 8 February,
01:29 and the Chief Justice had said that there is a line on the stone that no one can erase it,
01:35 but today we saw that today a resolution was passed in the Senate of Pakistan,
01:44 you know Senate is the upper house of the parliament, this is the unity of loyalty in Pakistan,
01:51 the four provinces that it joins, its name is Senate, it is a prestigious institution,
01:56 it has a constitutional status, a resolution was passed from there that the elections of 8 February should be stopped.
02:03 But before that, we would like to tell you that Chief Justice Sardar Tariq Sahib,
02:11 who is the honorable judge of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
02:14 when this case was going on, in the recent elections, what did he say, let's listen to this.
02:20 Tell us about this, who are the people who do not want elections, who can say openly that no,
02:27 and then against our order, when we said that no one will delay this, then who is delaying, who is behind this?
02:34 It's February, we don't know my lord.
02:38 So these are our orders, the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
02:41 the Supreme Court of Pakistan's largest court, when a ruling comes,
02:46 then its ruling cannot even be thought of, and this is what the constitution says, this is what the Republic of Pakistan says.
02:52 Today, viewers, it is 5 January, it is present in 2024,
02:57 and this miracle and this extremely surprising and worrying development that has taken place,
03:03 the resolution has been passed in the Senate, its text is in front of you,
03:07 the resolution is in English, viewers, very beautiful English has been written,
03:11 and when we talk about it, I would like to know from Hassan Ayub and Chaudhry Ghulam Sahin Sahib,
03:16 these 14 senators who were present in the House,
03:19 which of themselves have such good English and how beautiful it is,
03:23 that they have written a resolution on two pages.
03:29 Viewers, the resolution that starts, three or four things are told in it,
03:34 ground is made, one is that it is said that in January and February,
03:38 there is extreme cold in the country, especially in the upper areas of Pakistan,
03:42 in the northern areas, there is fog, there is snow,
03:45 so it is very difficult to campaign there, so the election should be postponed.
03:51 The second reason told is that you have seen that the recent terrorist incidents have increased,
03:57 even keeping them in front, it is not possible that people can campaign there freely and fairly,
04:05 and then take part in the polling.
04:07 After that, you have heard the recent developments,
04:10 especially viewers, there is a mass attack on Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib,
04:15 after that there is an attack on the former MNA Mohsin Dawar Sahib,
04:19 it was also given reference to that, that these are the incidents.
04:22 Then it was said that the overall situation of law and order is deteriorating with each passing day.
04:29 After that, some incidents of COVID-19 have also been mentioned,
04:35 that is why, the resolution presented by Senator Dulaver Sahib,
04:40 he said that since it is a fundamental responsibility on us as a member of the Senate,
04:46 as a member of the Upper House, that we are taking care of the unity of loyalty,
04:52 taking care of the integrity of the Federation of Loyalty,
04:56 we have considered it appropriate to present a resolution on postponing the election,
05:01 so that the people in the country, who have the fundamental right,
05:05 that they can take part in their free and fair election under the constitution,
05:10 can take part in voting, so it is necessary to postpone the election for now.
05:16 This is the resolution that we saw today.
05:19 After that, what happens, viewers, you know that the Senate is composed of 100 members,
05:25 but when a resolution is passed, it is very important to understand that
05:29 a resolution has no legal and legal status,
05:32 but despite this, its importance is that it is essentially the House that is told.
05:37 And the way it is done, viewers, is that those present in the House,
05:41 all the people present in the House, are asked in the form of a voice,
05:45 that how many people are in favor of this resolution,
05:48 they say "Ayes", those who are in favor of "No" say "No",
05:55 so 14 senators were present here at that time.
05:58 Senator Dulaver Khan Sahib, viewers, tells you,
06:01 he was in a free position, he is present from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
06:05 he presented this resolution.
06:07 After that, Behraman Tangi Sahib, he is from the Pakistan People's Party,
06:11 he is also from KP, Afnanullah, he is the senator of the Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
06:16 he gave a very good speech in the House today.
06:18 Isida Gurdip Singh is from the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaad, he is also from KP.
06:21 Abdul Qadir Azad is from Balochistan, Samira Mumtaz, Balochistan Awami Party,
06:26 Islah Halalur Rahman Sahib is from Azad Fatah,
06:29 Naseebullah Bazai Azad, he is from Balochistan,
06:32 Koda Babar Sahib is from Azad, Balochistan,
06:35 Prince Ahmed Umar Zahi, Balochistan Awami Party,
06:37 Senator Ahmed is from Azad, Balochistan,
06:39 Sana Jamali Sahib, he is from Azad, Balochistan,
06:42 Kamal Ali Agha, he is from the Pakistan Muslim League,
06:45 and Manzoor Kakar Sahib, he is from the Balochistan Awami Party.
06:47 These are all the senators.
06:48 So, Chaudhary Ghulam Sahib, when this development happened,
06:51 when this resolution was passed,
06:53 you did not show any sign of dismay,
06:55 I mean, what were you expecting this development?
06:57 I mean, were you worried?
06:59 I mean, you were sitting there,
07:01 because some people called,
07:03 they said, I was sitting on a chair,
07:05 the senators said, there should not be an election.
07:07 Whenever someone calls you with love,
07:14 you will remember a person.
07:16 His name is Hasan Yugtak.
07:18 Oh, no, no, he is...
07:21 He says he is a thorn.
07:22 He is a big one.
07:23 He does not talk other than the news.
07:25 Yes, you are right.
07:27 I said, yesterday or the day before yesterday,
07:29 someone told you that until I go to vote,
07:31 I will not be able to believe it.
07:33 So, you made fun of him.
07:36 He is a thorn.
07:37 These are not happy days.
07:38 Earlier, too.
07:39 Anyway, may Allah make it an election,
07:41 and may no fingers be raised on him.
07:44 So, but this resolution,
07:47 do not take it lightly.
07:49 But one thing I will also say,
07:51 that if there is a snowfall,
07:53 and people cannot go to vote,
07:55 then in 2, 4, 10, 15, 20 districts,
07:59 then this is a problem.
08:02 How many days will it not happen there?
08:04 Then what will be the impact of cutting with other countries?
08:08 Or will it delay the entire election?
08:13 So, these are the problems.
08:15 Because when it snows,
08:17 and there is no movement,
08:19 and voters cannot go to the polling station,
08:23 then who is going to vote,
08:25 and count the votes?
08:27 Here in Lahore,
08:29 it has happened before,
08:31 that elections were held in February,
08:33 in 1997.
08:36 And not even 10% voters came out.
08:40 So, they were divided,
08:42 and they were given an average,
08:45 that Islamabad is one,
08:47 Fata is one,
08:49 and so on.
08:50 So, if you add them up,
08:52 then it is 35%.
08:54 So, the number of voters in Lahore,
08:56 was not even 20%.
08:58 So, they pulled it out.
09:02 I am saying that,
09:04 if there is a problem with the weather,
09:07 then they can be given an exception.
09:10 But in the country,
09:12 if the entire election is held in this manner,
09:14 then the Supreme Court's orders are two-sided,
09:17 and a lot of time has passed.
09:19 And it has been a year,
09:21 that the country is not running according to the constitution.
09:24 So, you should attend to this as well.
09:27 And the situation is not good,
09:30 for some people.
09:32 So, they say,
09:34 may Allah make it a good year,
09:36 and nothing happens.
09:38 Yes.
09:39 Yes, before going to you,
09:41 I would like to tell you,
09:43 that in Pakistan's history,
09:45 three general elections,
09:47 were held in the month of February.
09:49 The general elections of 1985,
09:51 were held on 25th February.
09:53 In 1997, the two-thirds majority,
09:55 was held on 3rd February.
09:57 Similarly, the 2008 elections,
09:59 were held on 18th February.
10:01 You must remember,
10:03 that in 2008,
10:05 there was a lot of unrest.
10:07 There were explosions all over the country,
10:09 and the martyrdom of the Benazir Bhutto,
10:11 despite this,
10:13 the voter turnout was 44%.
10:15 So, Hassan,
10:17 this weather,
10:19 Mashallah, Pakistan is very big.
10:21 At the same time,
10:23 the country is hot in one part,
10:25 and cold in the other.
10:27 May Allah make it a good year.
10:29 If there is a problem,
10:31 then it can be solved.
10:33 In a specific area.
10:35 So, first tell me,
10:37 because you have a lot of knowledge.
10:39 Have you read all this in English?
10:41 Yes, I have.
10:43 Yes, yes.
10:45 A good lawyer can draft you.
10:47 You know that,
10:49 if you go to the court,
10:51 then whoever is there,
10:53 can do it.
10:55 If you have draftments,
10:57 and the law is close,
10:59 then you can hire someone to meet you.
11:01 Easily, it's very much easy,
11:03 they can get you drafted,
11:05 you don't have any issue.
11:07 The thing is,
11:09 the chairman of the senate,
11:11 and the secretary,
11:13 the senior men are sitting there,
11:15 so they can draft the senior men as well.
11:17 The men sitting there,
11:19 who are called the senior men,
11:21 the government employees,
11:23 who are basically the bureaucracy,
11:25 the ones who work in the secretariat.
11:27 So, you know that,
11:29 when the chairman of the senate
11:31 wants to get this kind of draftment,
11:33 and his core group should present it,
11:35 and get it approved.
11:37 Are you informing or putting an allegation?
11:39 I am informing you that,
11:41 the chairman of the senate,
11:43 Sajid Sajidani,
11:45 he is basically the mover.
11:47 He has done everything architecturally.
11:49 He has stopped the executive action in the country,
11:51 and he is putting it in the court.
11:53 Do you think that,
11:55 this can be a contempt of court?
11:57 I am telling you, people were present there.
11:59 Today, the chairman of the senate,
12:01 even the journalists were not allowed to enter his room.
12:03 Today, it was said that,
12:05 only the senators can come.
12:07 And then, it was waited till after Friday.
12:09 And the people you are seeing,
12:11 mostly, not all,
12:13 mostly are his core group,
12:15 his like-minded,
12:17 who sit with him,
12:19 his friends.
12:21 So, the thing is,
12:23 when you have more than 100 senators,
12:25 and you are presenting a resolution,
12:27 when the leader of the house has left,
12:29 then you are doing it,
12:31 this is called a 'wardaat'.
12:33 What is it called?
12:35 'Wardaat'.
12:37 This is called a 'wardaat'.
12:39 It is not called a 'wardaat',
12:41 it is called a 'bareek wardaat'.
12:43 So, this is called a 'bareek wardaat'.
12:45 And basically,
12:47 it is not a statement of the senate,
12:49 it is a 'bareek wardaat'.
12:51 So, basically,
12:53 it is a 'bareek wardaat'.
12:55 So, now, look, to some extent,
12:57 today, Senator Afnan,
12:59 he has said what people are also wanting,
13:01 that, look, frustration is coming,
13:03 people are ready for the elections.
13:05 And they want that, the elections,
13:07 whoever people elect,
13:09 they should come to the assembly,
13:11 and then, the members,
13:13 they should make their Prime Minister government.
13:15 So, now, putting a hurdle on this,
13:17 putting a barrier on this,
13:19 I think, is not appropriate,
13:21 because, he has said,
13:23 that, this is not an impact of a 'wardaat',
13:25 but, ordinary people of the village,
13:27 they are making telephones,
13:29 they are asking.
13:31 People are not ordinary.
13:33 Respected Hassan Ayub,
13:35 people are not ordinary at all.
13:37 Now, it is not a long story,
13:39 in March 2023,
13:41 it was the Supreme Court's decision,
13:43 regarding the elections in two provinces of Pakistan,
13:45 we will tell you in detail,
13:47 we will reassure you,
13:49 that, it is the Supreme Court's decision,
13:51 so, even then,
13:53 there was a resolution in the National Assembly,
13:55 we will talk about it in detail.
13:57 It is not the Supreme Court's decision,
13:59 it is the date of the Election Commission and the President,
14:01 on which the endorsement of the Supreme Court,
14:03 is in the hands of all three.
14:05 The Supreme Court, the responsibility of the Supreme Court,
14:07 has taken that, we will not let the elections go ahead,
14:09 which is going on.
14:11 It is written on the stone,
14:13 it will not be tried to erase it at all,
14:15 but, the way the 'wardaat' has been put,
14:17 the 'barik wardaat', the word you have given,
14:19 I have adopted it.
14:21 So, you stay on your word.
14:23 The 'barik wardaat' that Sadiq Sanjrani has put,
14:25 according to Hassan Ayub,
14:27 the line on the stone,
14:29 has been tried to erase, in my opinion.
14:31 Ok, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh,
14:33 first, let us hear,
14:35 when Senator Dilawar Khan,
14:37 presented this resolution,
14:39 what was his request,
14:41 what was his request,
14:43 he will tell you.
14:45 The date of the Supreme Court,
14:47 which is 8th February,
14:49 we respect it,
14:51 but,
14:53 we should also see,
14:55 that,
14:57 the security agencies,
14:59 the security forces,
15:01 beautiful, beautiful soldiers,
15:03 they are being martyred,
15:05 they are making sacrifices,
15:07 and we are telling them to hold the elections.
15:09 Why are they holding the elections?
15:11 You tell me.
15:13 They are doing it to take them
15:15 to 120,000 Arabs.
15:17 What else?
15:19 Similarly,
15:21 Senator Manzoor Ahmed,
15:23 he also supported this resolution,
15:25 and in support of this resolution,
15:27 he built an argument on the floor of the House.
15:29 Let us hear him.
15:31 Mr. Chairman,
15:33 we are in the midst of terrorism,
15:35 God forbid, Pakistan has come.
15:37 So, if we delay the elections
15:39 for 5-6 months,
15:41 it will be a waste of time,
15:43 Mr. Chairman.
15:45 We will have to think about Pakistan,
15:47 we will have to think about 25 crore people,
15:49 then we can take this country forward.
15:51 Mr. Chairman, this is what we will say,
15:53 that the resolution is a good resolution,
15:55 we support it,
15:57 and we will also request
15:59 the Election Commission,
16:01 that if this election is delayed for 6-7 months,
16:03 then nothing will happen.
16:05 This will happen,
16:07 that we will do something about terrorism,
16:09 and we will do something about the caretaker system.
16:11 Thank you.
16:13 If we do something about this,
16:15 it will be better for everyone.
16:17 Mr. Producer,
16:19 I think that Senator Manzoor Ahmed
16:21 has learned this lesson
16:23 from Mr. Ishaq Dar.
16:25 Some time ago,
16:27 he said that if we delay the elections
16:29 for 2-4 months, then the day of judgement will come.
16:31 If we can't solve that,
16:33 then we will be able to correlate.
16:35 We will tell you later.
16:37 Today, the elections are scattered.
16:39 What election?
16:41 What will happen if the elections are delayed for 3-4 months?
16:43 Let the elections be in October.
16:45 Nothing will happen.
16:47 Let the cabinet,
16:49 the ministries,
16:51 and the parliamentarians
16:53 do their work and get the country out of this quagmire.
16:55 And let's hear what Senator Manzoor Ahmed
16:57 is saying again.
16:59 He is saying that it is 3-4 months,
17:01 and it is obvious that he lost his courage
17:03 by saying that it is 6-7 months.
17:05 Mr. Chairman,
17:07 the country is in the grip of terrorism.
17:09 God forbid, Pakistan has come.
17:11 If we delay the elections
17:13 for 5-6 months,
17:15 there is nothing to be done.
17:17 We will have to think about Pakistan.
17:19 We will have to think about the 25 crore people.
17:21 Then we can take this country forward.
17:23 Mr. Chairman,
17:25 we will say that the resolution
17:27 is a good resolution.
17:29 We will support it.
17:31 We will also request
17:33 the commission
17:35 that if the elections are delayed for 6-7 months,
17:37 there will be nothing to do.
17:39 We will do something about terrorism.
17:41 We will do something about our interior,
17:43 our caretaker system,
17:45 and if we can do something about it,
17:47 it will be better for everyone.
17:49 If we look at it carefully,
17:51 I think
17:53 the "why" that is said in the drama,
17:55 the "why" to take,
17:57 I think that
17:59 Senator Manzoor Ahmed has taken it
18:01 as a "why" to take.
18:03 He was a senator and he is a senator.
18:05 If what Mr. Issaq Dar said
18:07 can be accepted,
18:09 then what is the difference
18:11 between what these senators said?
18:13 His words were one of the
18:15 election commission's position.
18:17 The government of the day was one of the
18:19 election commission's position
18:21 and then one of the party's position.
18:23 That was the position of justice.
18:25 Or the judiciary at that time,
18:27 and there was a dispute about which
18:29 Supreme Court had taken up that matter.
18:31 If the Supreme Court had waited
18:33 and allowed the Lahore High Court
18:35 to decide,
18:37 then this matter would not have
18:39 been prolonged.
18:41 If you are giving a pretext
18:43 to Mr. Issaq Dar,
18:45 then his words were in line
18:47 with the election commission's position.
18:49 He was going away from the
18:51 election commission's position.
18:53 The respected Manzoor Ahmed.
18:55 Senator Manzoor Ahmed.
18:57 So, his words and the words
18:59 of Mr. Issaq Dar are totally different.
19:01 Okay, let's listen to Senator Koda.
19:03 He is talking about snowfall
19:05 and the weather conditions.
19:07 What did he say?
19:09 There are areas in this country
19:11 where elections cannot be held
19:13 on today's date. In Ziarat,
19:15 Chaman and other cold areas
19:17 of Baluchistan, in KPK,
19:19 first you arrange for gas,
19:21 light, so that people
19:23 can go out in these conditions.
19:25 Okay, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
19:27 unfortunately,
19:29 in my humble opinion,
19:31 the article 224 of the
19:33 constitution is very clear.
19:35 If we can show the election
19:37 date in the country,
19:39 the time of election
19:41 and by elections,
19:43 if an assembly completes
19:45 its time,
19:47 then in 60 days,
19:49 if an assembly is dissolved
19:51 by its leader of the house,
19:53 whether it is the chief minister
19:55 or the prime minister,
19:57 then the election should be held
19:59 within 90 days.
20:01 According to some experts,
20:03 if this does not happen,
20:05 then consider that the
20:07 day of judgement has come.
20:09 Because the order of the constitution
20:11 will be invalid.
20:13 You have violated the constitution.
20:15 This has happened in the country,
20:17 Mr. Chaudhary.
20:19 And at that time,
20:21 in the Supreme Court,
20:23 Chief Justice Qazi Faiz-e-Israa
20:25 said very clearly that
20:27 the constitution is supreme.
20:29 We cannot go against the constitution.
20:31 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
20:33 You have said it.
20:35 You know when the Punjab
20:37 Assembly was dissolved,
20:39 when the KP Assembly was dissolved,
20:41 when the National Assembly was dissolved.
20:43 Now, no election has been held
20:45 under the constitution of any of them.
20:47 Forgive me.
20:49 Look at the two assemblies.
20:51 The January dissolution
20:53 and the one in August.
20:55 August, September, October,
20:57 November, December, January.
20:59 So, which elections
21:01 have been held under them?
21:03 You have put a tradition.
21:05 At that time, you used to beat people.
21:07 You were putting bangles here
21:09 that it is very good,
21:11 remove PTI, kill it,
21:13 blow it.
21:15 At that time,
21:17 there was no such thing
21:19 in the history of the country
21:21 on which there is a lot of emphasis.
21:23 At that time, you were beating them.
21:25 So, you did not hold elections.
21:27 And there was a debate on it every day
21:29 that you do not want to hold elections.
21:31 Then it was thought
21:33 that the National Assembly
21:35 has come to the National Assembly
21:37 under emergency or under suggestion
21:39 of the elections.
21:41 Then we kept thinking about it.
21:43 But later, the Assembly was broken on 9th August.
21:45 When it was broken,
21:47 your job was to hold elections
21:49 in 90 days or 60 days.
21:51 The nation is watching
21:53 and the show is on.
21:55 And today's resolution,
21:57 I mean,
21:59 even if I do not say conspiracy,
22:01 it is that
22:03 people are afraid of defeat
22:05 or fear of defeat.
22:07 They are upset.
22:09 They do not want elections in the country.
22:11 It is a simple thing.
22:13 When the resolution was presented today,
22:15 the young senator of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
22:17 Afnaan,
22:19 who is the son of Bashar-ud-Din,
22:21 gave a very good speech
22:23 and made a very reasonable argument.
22:25 I wish that in the past,
22:27 in March,
22:29 if this matter had been presented at that time,
22:31 then Pakistan Muslim League Noon would have presented
22:33 such an argument.
22:35 The argument of the bill
22:37 that we have advanced,
22:39 that has been amended,
22:41 has been amended.
22:43 [Pakistani news]
22:45 [Pakistani news]
23:13 Viewers, we will go to the break.
23:15 When we will come after the break,
23:17 we will tell you.
23:19 When the KP and Punjab Assembly were dissolved,
23:21 then the argument was presented
23:23 that how can there be elections in two countries?
23:25 Elections should be held together in the whole country.
23:27 Now, the argument presented by some senators,
23:29 this fine incident,
23:31 according to Hassan Ayub,
23:33 Chairman Senate,
23:35 Sadiq Sanjrani,
23:37 has been put in his guardianship.
23:39 They are also presenting the same argument
23:41 that elections will be held in Punjab,
23:43 it will be inaccessible,
23:45 the environment will be bad,
23:47 there will be a law and order issue,
23:49 so how can it be possible
23:51 that elections will be held in Punjab
23:53 until the votes are correct?
23:55 The matter is that when you will move away
23:57 from the constitution,
23:59 then the demands of the future
24:01 will increase.
24:03 Therefore, it is very important
24:05 that we keep reminding
24:07 and telling that until we do not
24:09 go back to the past,
24:11 when the elections were dissolved,
24:13 what argument was presented
24:15 by the KP and Punjab Assembly
24:17 and at that time,
24:19 keeping the parliament in front,
24:21 we will tell you everything
24:23 because we have to learn lessons
24:25 from our past and it is very important.
24:27 Stay with us.
24:29 Welcome back viewers.
24:31 You will remember that in late 2022
24:33 and early when the assemblies
24:35 of Punjab and KP were dissolved,
24:37 according to Article 224,
24:39 the elections should have been
24:41 held within 90 days
24:43 because the chief minister
24:45 advised and the matter
24:47 should have been moved forward.
24:49 According to the majority of
24:51 law experts in Pakistan,
24:53 there is a line on the stone,
24:55 whatever you want to say,
24:57 that more than 90 days
24:59 can not be delayed.
25:01 And we saw that this line of
25:03 90 days was then proved to be
25:05 a line on the stone,
25:07 the wind blew and we saw
25:09 that the line was erased.
25:11 But at that time, viewers,
25:13 Mr. Shaud-e-Ulam-Sinh and
25:15 Mr. Hasan Ayyub,
25:17 keeping the parliament in front,
25:19 our leaders, the part of
25:21 the PDM government,
25:23 what argument did they present?
25:25 The Supreme Court
25:27 is this, the law is made in it,
25:29 all the institutions work under it.
25:31 In my opinion,
25:33 the insult of the parliament
25:35 has been done in this.
25:37 I think this offensive order
25:39 should be raised by the Supreme Court
25:41 in the Privileged Committee.
25:43 The most powerful people
25:45 of Pakistan,
25:47 are being
25:49 made to be
25:51 law-abiding,
25:53 how can you
25:55 stop it?
25:57 The most important speech
25:59 that was given at that time,
26:01 was given by Mr. Saad Barad.
26:03 What difference does it make?
26:05 First, you know,
26:07 they were fighting with IMF.
26:09 Who is IMF? I will see IMF.
26:11 After that, the humiliation
26:13 that Pakistan had to suffer,
26:15 you know, and they also
26:17 raised such a ruckus
26:19 about the election.
26:21 And how can Khawaja Asif
26:23 stay back from our Siyal Court?
26:25 The broad principle
26:27 has been decided that
26:29 we will not allow trespassing
26:31 on the parliamentary
26:33 institutions.
26:35 We will protect
26:37 the limits of the parliament.
26:39 And Mohammed Ali
26:41 has also said
26:43 that the Supreme Court
26:45 has to be made
26:47 law-abiding.
26:49 And Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
26:51 has said that
26:53 the parliament has
26:55 presented the resolution,
26:57 so if I have to sacrifice
26:59 my position on this resolution,
27:01 I am ready to sacrifice more than once.
27:03 It is my duty to respect
27:05 the decision of the parliament.
27:07 It is my duty to stand with them.
27:09 Mr. Speaker, the decisions
27:11 that they have made, the resolutions
27:13 that they have passed,
27:15 I and my government
27:17 stand with them.
27:19 I will not break their honour.
27:21 I will stand with them.
27:23 The house has given its decision.
27:25 So,
27:27 the resolution has been passed today.
27:29 Yes.
27:31 You have been given a fine
27:33 verdict by Mr. Sadiq Sajrani.
27:35 But the requirements that are required,
27:37 those present in the house,
27:39 those who are in favour,
27:41 say 'ayes'.
27:43 And I think 'ayes' have it.
27:45 And the 'ayes' had it.
27:47 And the resolution has been passed.
27:49 The resolution that was approved was a full house.
27:51 It was not that the core was not complete.
27:53 It was not that the core was not complete.
27:55 Sir, you are technical.
27:57 I am not talking about technical.
27:59 The technical thing is that the military
28:01 had given a briefing.
28:03 When Mr. Bandyal and Muneeb Akhtar
28:05 were sitting in their chambers
28:07 wearing gowns,
28:09 they said that their forces
28:11 are deployed on the borders.
28:13 And we need a deep briefing
28:15 of the soldiers there.
28:17 When they come,
28:19 we cannot put them on the border
28:21 with the border mindset.
28:23 So, they brought those things
28:25 into the chamber.
28:27 Then they gave the verdict.
28:29 See, the things are such that
28:31 even then, an encroachment was being tried
28:33 which the Supreme Court was
28:35 more than its objections.
28:37 And if the matter had been from the High Court
28:39 and it had come to the Supreme Court,
28:41 the people who had agreed to the Parliament
28:43 were saying that
28:45 they had ordered
28:47 that the government should pay the money.
28:49 So, the Parliament stopped them
28:51 and said that they have to pay the money.
28:53 So, we will not pay.
28:55 So, the committee was rejected.
28:57 The finance was over.
28:59 In today's situation, there is money,
29:01 budget, security
29:03 and the Election Commission
29:05 is ready to hold elections.
29:07 Now, you are basically saying
29:09 that those people were very bad.
29:11 They were very bad and an oppressed community
29:13 which is being made to be oppressed.
29:15 Their situation is such that
29:17 I will not make you an oppressed.
29:19 We are talking about the law.
29:21 My opinion was very wrong at that time
29:23 and the fine incidents
29:25 that you are saying are also very wrong.
29:27 Viewers, you again tell Hassan Ayub
29:29 the arguments that he is presenting.
29:31 I have read it.
29:33 He is presenting the argument that
29:35 the Senator of Pakistan being the
29:37 Senator of the Rights of the Federation
29:39 is very important.
29:41 You see, it is written in the upper house
29:43 that we guarantee
29:45 the unity of the Federation.
29:47 The guarantee of unity
29:49 is given by the Senate.
29:51 So, the Chairman of the Senate
29:53 in the presence of Hassan Ayub
29:55 according to his opinion
29:57 is a fine incident.
29:59 But the question arises
30:01 that he is the Senator.
30:03 If Hassan's argument is accepted
30:05 then the 14 senators
30:07 who were opposed by two
30:09 the other senators
30:11 do not know about the Pakistan law,
30:13 the Supreme Court's decision,
30:15 the economic situation of Pakistan.
30:17 But the agreement that he passed
30:19 let us hear again
30:21 what he said.
30:23 Honourable Minister,
30:25 you did not say that
30:27 Dilawar Khan moved a resolution
30:29 in the House
30:31 which the House gave permission.
30:33 So, since you are the Minister of Mahpood,
30:35 you will not oppose it?
30:37 Yes, I will oppose it.
30:39 You will oppose it? Yes.
30:41 I now put the resolution before those
30:43 who are in favour of the resolution.
30:45 Those against the resolution
30:47 say no.
30:49 I again put the resolution
30:51 I now put the resolution
30:53 before those
30:55 who are in favour of the resolution.
30:57 Those against the resolution
30:59 say no.
31:01 I think the eyes have it.
31:03 The resolution is passed.
31:05 Honourable Minister,
31:07 I think the eyes have it
31:09 and the resolution is passed.
31:11 My question is
31:13 I will frame it again for you.
31:15 You are the Minister of Mahpood.
31:17 Even at that time,
31:19 the power government
31:21 will not move a resolution.
31:23 Even at that time?
31:25 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
31:27 I think
31:29 when you are on the side of the government,
31:31 you have a very brave story.
31:33 Loyalty
31:35 and
31:37 commitment
31:39 when the relative
31:41 has kept a raw pot
31:43 instead of a solid pot,
31:45 he said, "Okay, if I am exposed,
31:47 I will go to the raw pot."
31:49 What was to go? It was drowned.
31:51 So, you people
31:53 will do like this. 90%
31:55 of them do not want elections.
31:57 I say this every day.
31:59 Why are you not giving?
32:01 And this
32:03 election, which is the work of
32:05 the way they have
32:07 rigged this process
32:09 and have violated the rules
32:11 and the law, I feel ashamed
32:13 that in which
32:15 we are living in the world,
32:17 such a big country, the Islamic Republic of
32:19 Pakistan, which has
32:21 a whole
32:23 that it is a big
32:25 country and it has
32:27 big principles, there this is happening.
32:29 You see today
32:31 that 90-95%
32:33 of their decisions
32:35 are being thrown out.
32:37 Is there anyone to ask
32:39 why you have given the money
32:41 that is on the other side
32:43 whose tradition
32:45 respected leader
32:47 Usman Buzdar had put,
32:49 it started with a few crores,
32:51 today it is going up with 10-10 crores.
32:53 You expect them to
32:55 decide according to the law.
32:57 Yesterday they all rejected,
32:59 today they are all accepting.
33:01 Is there any punishment?
33:03 Ask the Election Commission.
33:05 Will you talk about this?
33:07 Who used to call Wasim Akram Plaz?
33:09 Let's talk about this.
33:11 I want to ask who used to call him Wasim Akram Plaz?
33:13 The question is
33:15 I have said it many times.
33:17 You have been opposing
33:19 I remember that time too.
33:21 But there was a person
33:23 who used to say
33:25 that he is Wasim Akram Plaz.
33:27 See, Wasim Akram Plaz
33:29 is in jail all over the world.
33:31 He is out of jail, there are cases.
33:33 Usman Buzdar's papers
33:35 have also been accepted.
33:37 You never know
33:39 he is going to be your next Chief Minister.
33:41 Coming back to the original question.
33:43 One is the raw and the other is the raw.
33:45 We have become modern.
33:47 We have to check
33:49 whether the raw is cooked.
33:51 We don't need to take such risks.
33:53 Now tell me
33:55 according to you
33:57 it is a very huge story
33:59 that a small incident
34:01 has been filed.
34:03 These senators are mostly
34:05 from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
34:07 and Balochistan.
34:09 They are telling us their problems.
34:11 We need to hear their problems again.
34:13 What are their problems?
34:15 Let me tell you the issue.
34:17 First listen to me.
34:19 If Senator Ishaq Dard
34:21 talks, he is more reliable.
34:23 If Senator Dilawar Khan,
34:25 Senator Manzoor Ahmed
34:27 and Senator Akodha Babar talk
34:29 they are not as reliable as us.
34:31 What is the purpose?
34:33 The purpose of this report
34:35 is to show that
34:37 they will not have the chairmanship.
34:39 They have already submitted
34:41 their nomination papers.
34:43 We cannot see anything.
34:45 We cannot see anything.
34:47 The father party
34:49 has gone to the election.
34:51 They have not fought the election.
34:53 They have been elected as direct senators.
34:55 They have not done any electoral politics.
34:57 They have not contacted the people.
34:59 They have been the chair of the parliament
35:01 for a long time.
35:03 They will not have the chairmanship.
35:05 They will not be able to
35:07 be relevant again.
35:09 They are not being relevant.
35:11 This is a failed attempt.
35:13 How will they be relevant?
35:15 They are not being relevant
35:17 because the elections are not happening.
35:19 How will they be relevant?
35:21 How will they be relevant
35:23 if they pass the resolution?
35:25 The elections do not suit them.
35:27 How will they enforce?
35:29 They will have a plan.
35:31 I am not involved in their plan.
35:33 But they have already
35:35 done everything in their chamber.
35:37 They have set the time
35:39 for Friday.
35:41 They have appointed a few senators.
35:43 After that,
35:45 they have submitted the nomination papers.
35:47 They have accepted the nomination papers.
35:49 Why did they not submit
35:51 the nomination papers
35:53 when there were 25-30 senators?
35:55 Why did they not submit it
35:57 when the leader of the house was present?
35:59 This is a detailed incident.
36:01 In our view,
36:03 this is a declaration.
36:05 The head of the upper house of Pakistan
36:07 has passed this.
36:09 His senators are concerned.
36:11 The question is that
36:13 the people's party of Pakistan
36:15 has not known about the Friday visit.
36:17 They did not know that
36:19 the house should have been present
36:21 until the war was over.
36:23 But most of the senators
36:25 are saying that the agenda was completed.
36:27 Everything was over.
36:29 But then everything was forgotten.
36:31 We will know more about this
36:33 in the mind of Sadiq Sanjani.
36:35 Because his term will end.
36:37 He cannot prolong it.
36:39 What will be relevant
36:41 through the declaration?
36:43 This is something very interesting.
36:45 We will go to the break.
36:47 After the break,
36:49 we will tell you about the strange
36:51 allegations on the nomination papers.
36:53 The judges are holding their heads
36:55 and saying that
36:57 they have wasted their time.
36:59 Returning officers have wasted
37:01 their time.
37:03 The argument was that
37:05 returning officers do not know
37:07 about the training.
37:09 Some have filed a certificate
37:11 that their character is not good.
37:13 Some have said that
37:15 they were going on that road
37:17 and that road was not built yet.
37:19 The national executive
37:21 was harmed.
37:23 Strange allegations.
37:25 We will tell you about it after the break.
37:27 Welcome back.
37:33 From Karachi to Lahore
37:35 to Northern areas
37:37 to Dehr.
37:39 The returning officers
37:41 from our school
37:43 have made such
37:45 allegations on the nomination papers
37:47 that
37:49 I want to salute them.
37:51 Hussain Ahmed Chaudhry,
37:53 our representative
37:55 who covers Islamabad High Court
37:57 was present there.
37:59 We know from him that
38:01 the allegations made
38:03 by the returning officers
38:05 were repeated.
38:07 You saw some important incidents
38:09 on this.
38:11 Hussain, thank you.
38:13 What did the judges
38:15 who are heading the election tribunals
38:17 say?
38:19 The justice of Islamabad High Court
38:21 was present there.
38:23 The other judges were
38:25 Tariq Jangiri.
38:27 Tariq Jangiri
38:29 had a case of special cases.
38:31 But the most cases
38:33 were around 70 cases.
38:35 He was surprised
38:37 and he said
38:39 that the returning officers
38:41 have a great ability
38:43 and they have a great ability.
38:45 They have raised important questions.
38:47 The charges of Rs. 15,000,
38:49 Rs. 10,000, electricity bill
38:51 and the 5 minutes
38:53 of the returning officers
38:55 could have been decided.
38:57 The charges were raised
38:59 and the applications were
39:01 submitted.
39:03 They said that
39:05 they have wasted their time
39:07 and used their papers.
39:09 Today is the fourth day
39:11 that we are hearing these appeals.
39:13 The returning officers
39:15 were called to the rostrum
39:17 and asked
39:19 that the cases of
39:21 Shoaib Shaheen
39:23 were the same.
39:25 There was no change
39:27 in the cases.
39:29 The judge asked
39:31 how did you decide
39:33 on these cases.
39:35 Shoaib Shaheen said
39:37 that he presented his case
39:39 in the presence of the media
39:41 and said that he has
39:43 no objection.
39:45 When we left,
39:47 we were told that
39:49 the papers were rejected.
39:51 The judge said
39:53 that the decision
39:55 would be made later.
39:57 The court said the same.
39:59 Out of 70 cases,
40:01 55 were accepted.
40:03 Only 3 were rejected.
40:05 The appeal will be
40:07 heard by the peer
40:09 that the tax returns
40:11 were not accepted.
40:13 Out of 70 cases,
40:15 only 3 were accepted.
40:17 Thank you Hussain Ahmed Chaudhry.
40:19 Thank you very much.
40:21 Hassan, what do you think?
40:23 We don't know
40:25 the reason for the violations.
40:27 We don't know the reason
40:29 for the violations.
40:31 There should be a fine.
40:33 You have involved
40:35 so much logistics.
40:37 You were talking about
40:39 the election.
40:41 You said that the district
40:43 returning officer
40:45 was in Istanbul.
40:47 Who is he?
40:49 You can talk about it.
40:51 You can say that
40:53 he is well-off.
40:55 It is a matter of
40:57 the IG and the deputy commissioner.
40:59 We don't have much time.
41:01 What are your final thoughts?
41:03 You can have the elections.
41:05 By God's grace,
41:07 the elections will be held.
41:09 You can have the elections.
41:11 By God's grace,
41:13 the elections will be held.
41:15 You can have the elections.
41:17 By God's grace,
41:19 the elections will be held.
41:21 You can have the elections.
41:23 By God's grace,
41:25 the elections will be held.
41:27 You can have the elections.
41:29 By God's grace,
41:31 the elections will be held.
41:33 You can have the elections.
41:35 By God's grace,
41:37 the elections will be held.
41:39 or 4.
41:40 It would be very unfair.