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00:00 Assalamu Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abasi.

00:04 The election process has finally begun.

00:07 Nominations have been submitted.

00:10 This is a step when political parties put their candidates in the field.

00:17 Terry Cairns had a lot of reservations.

00:21 A petition was also submitted to the Supreme Court

00:24 to give him a level playing field. His candidates are being stopped from submitting their papers.

00:30 A lot of videos have come out on mobile, which have been seen as a result of which the nomination papers have been snatched.

00:38 This complaint was visible from day one.

00:40 But today, when these stats have come out, Terry Cairns's most promising candidates are currently in the field.

00:49 If you look at the collective numbers, Terry Cairns believes that there are many covering candidates.

00:55 But most likely, Terry Cairns is currently in the field.

00:59 But the restlessness of political parties about what will happen in the elections will reduce.

01:08 Now that the scrutiny has begun, which will end on the 30th, we will move towards an election campaign.

01:14 I hope that this country will now start moving towards a peaceful, free and fair election.

01:20 In the last three days, there have been three or four major developments.

01:23 Terry Cairns has been taken as a target.

01:27 The Election Commission of Pakistan has given this decision.

01:30 And said that his regular requirements have not been met.

01:35 Because of which he will not be given the target.

01:38 Tomorrow, it seems that a case will go to the Supreme Court.

01:41 Let's see what the court decides. It depends on what happens.

01:46 Because why are these electoral signs given in Pakistan or in such countries?

01:51 First of all, literacy, that is, our education is very low.

01:55 Because it is very low, it remains easy for those who cannot read.

02:01 That by looking at the mark, whether it is the mark of a bat, the mark of a lion, the mark of an arrow.

02:06 So that whoever the parties want to vote, they do not have any confusion, no worries.

02:12 This is why these marks are given.

02:14 And if this mark is not given, then these elections of Tariq-e-Insaf will be a little difficult,

02:19 a little, no, it will be very difficult.

02:21 Because telling all the people what the electoral mark is, who is the candidate for the party,

02:27 it will be difficult.

02:29 Just don't look at the city.

02:31 People in the cities know, are educated, use social media a lot.

02:34 Because a large population is made up of women.

02:37 And if you look at the rural population, which has such a large number of women,

02:41 then telling them who will be the candidate is a very difficult task.

02:44 Because of which these election symbols are given, electoral marks are given.

02:50 Now let's see what will happen and what decision will be made on this.

02:54 Another petition, the cipher case had bail applications.

02:59 And the Supreme Court also gave a decision on them.

03:02 The Supreme Court gave bail to Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf Imran Khan.

03:05 And the petition of the level playing field, Barrister Gaur Khan,

03:09 now he may not be Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf anymore.

03:12 In that too, it was emphasized that free and fair elections,

03:15 and a level playing field will be given to Tariq-e-Insaf.

03:18 Elections and of course their transparency is the most important issue.

03:23 In any election, our Pakistan's history is being written.

03:26 Maybe people don't know the 70th and 80th anniversaries, may not remember.

03:31 Let's start with 2008.

03:33 When the 2008 election was held due to the martyrdom of the respected,

03:36 it was a little changed.

03:38 But you will remember the 2013 election, an RO election.

03:41 All political parties, Tariq-e-Insaf also gave a protest.

03:44 Zardari sir called it the RO election.

03:46 After the 2018 election, the word of selector, selected and Lajla

03:50 was brought into Pakistani politics.

03:52 And now, even before the 2024 election, many questions are arising.

03:59 As I said, petitions are going to the Supreme Court.

04:01 Justice Athar Minnala sir wrote a very important additional note in the Cypher case.

04:08 Let's leave what he said in it, how he said it.

04:10 But the political history and electoral history of Pakistan that he has told,

04:14 I wanted to talk about how he summed it up.

04:19 He said that from the beginning of Pakistan,

04:21 a free, independent state was strongly weakened by the popularity of democracy

04:25 and the practice of democracy.

04:28 The non-democratic Sharafiya attacked for the first time when the constitution assembly was analyzed.

04:34 And later the court provided evidence in view of the need and allowed this illegitimate status.

04:41 He laid the foundation of coercion against political opponents.

04:45 Before that, after being removed from office, almost all elected ministers were imprisoned.

04:50 The Prime Minister was declared ineligible.

04:53 And political opponents were harassed due to disagreement.

04:58 And by ending the political parties, it was stopped from participating in the elections.

05:03 Justice Athar Minnala also gave an example of the elections that took place in 2018.

05:07 That in these elections, the last general election is an example of a particular political party

05:12 who has refused to participate in the political parties.

05:16 Even a Prime Minister was hanged.

05:19 And later people were also stopped from participating in their last rites.

05:24 Half of the country's life, that is, 75-76 years, has been spent in military rule.

05:30 The abrogation of the constitution, the overthrow of the elected Prime Minister

05:35 and the best kind of, I apologize, the worst kind of oppression and oppression

05:40 did not have to face imprisonment for a day.

05:44 Despite this, the elected Prime Minister and elected representatives were imprisoned

05:49 or forced to participate in the elections by force.

05:55 He gave a special example of those who belonged to Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh

06:00 that this political leadership was imprisoned due to their political disagreement.

06:05 If Punjab is included in this, it may not be wrong

06:08 that now the Prime Minister of all provinces has been imprisoned multiple times.

06:13 According to Atar Milad Sahib, these incidents cannot be erased from the books of history.

06:18 He also gave the concept of real election that in reality,

06:22 which is called genuine elections or sham elections, he told the division between them

06:27 that the concept of real election has been misguided in Pakistan for the last seven decades.

06:33 And it certainly has very deep consequences for our democratic practice and the rights of the people.

06:40 It is the duty of the Election Commission and relevant governments

06:43 to ensure that people are provided with the freedom of expression through genuine elections.

06:50 It is also their duty to ensure that there is no concept of coercion or coercive action against a political party.

06:59 While the other party should not be treated with modesty,

07:03 it should not be the case that one party is being forced and the other, which in our country is called the Selectors, Selected, Ladla, King's Party, should not be considered.

07:14 Then, as Mr. Sathe Milad said, the real election is a test of the ability of voters, political workers, candidates and the political community.

07:24 They should use their rights without any threat of threats, directly or indirectly.

07:33 That is, they should use their right to affiliate with a political party or to vote.

07:38 The concept of real election is to keep the field of play equal for all stakeholders.

07:44 When all political parties are getting the same benefits and losses during the election period,

07:52 or whatever it is, a level playing field, which is equal for all political parties,

07:57 then the fundamental rights of the citizens are also violated when one political party is being forced and the other is being rewarded.

08:09 Therefore, it is necessary to make it clear that every political party should be treated equally without discriminatory treatment.

08:18 And everyone should get a chance to succeed.

08:22 During the election period, any political issue that was especially about the Cipher case,

08:28 except when it is necessary due to extraordinary circumstances,

08:32 strongly affects the fundamental rights of the voters and affects the truthfulness and integrity of the elections.

08:41 As Sartar Mughalla writes in his additional note, the fundamental characteristics of real elections are described as a political action that expresses the free will of the people.

08:54 Show elections, which are temporarily made to suppress internal differences or to remove international investigations,

09:04 are obviously not up to international standards.

09:07 Real elections can only be made credible when a news voter is given real and free elections.

09:16 On the basis of political opinion, discriminatory treatment and threats are different from the concept of real elections.

09:23 And even its concept will be enough to put the integrity of the electoral process at risk and to put it in the position of fake elections.

09:34 Every voter and political party should have a chance to reach the citizens and to gain access to all public resources including print and electronic media.

09:47 It should not be that everyone is forced.

09:49 Now, this was Atar Mughalla's additional note, which some people have told you that elections should be genuine, not sham.

09:56 There should be no discriminatory treatment with political parties.

09:59 Everyone should be given a level playing field.

10:02 We will talk about what has been happening in the last few days.

10:07 Salman Akram Raja is with us.

10:09 Ishaq Khakwani, a member of the Pakistan Party, is with us.

10:16 Thank you both for being with us.

10:18 Salman Raja, I will start with you.

10:21 I have received a very detailed decision from the Election Commission of Pakistan.

10:26 There are many reservations of the Election Commission of Pakistan.

10:30 There are many pages on which the violations of the constitution have been written.

10:35 How did the judiciary not meet the requirements?

10:39 Did you feel that the judiciary should have fulfilled these requirements after reading this decision?

10:45 Look, there is no mention of the violations of the constitution in this decision.

10:51 This is very important.

10:53 The violations of the PTI constitution.

10:55 I am sorry. Let me correct myself.

10:57 The PTI constitution is a constitution of justice.

11:00 The beautiful way the Election Commission of Pakistan has read the constitution of justice.

11:08 I wish we could follow the PTI constitution in Pakistan.

11:11 Then we would have solved more problems than we have.

11:13 I am sorry. I was talking about the PTI constitution.

11:15 The Election Commission of Pakistan has said that the PTI constitution,

11:20 which is an internal document,

11:22 did not allow the election of the Mujahidin.

11:28 A chief election commissioner was appointed.

11:31 The institution had to have other members.

11:34 The institution did not allow the election.

11:36 Similarly, they have made a few more signs of violations.

11:39 These are purely internal.

11:42 They did not say that there was a restriction in the election.

11:46 They did not say that the vote was wrong or that no one was given a chance to vote.

11:51 The main reason for this decision is that the officers who had to do the election.

11:56 Sir, they said that the members were not given a chance to contest the election.

12:02 This is a by the way thing.

12:05 Their main focus is this.

12:07 If they had to go that way,

12:09 then after the testimony,

12:11 there should have been a very detailed decision based on testimony.

12:15 This did not happen.

12:17 They said this by the way.

12:20 No witness was presented for that.

12:22 No one came and did an examination in chief.

12:25 No cross-examination was done.

12:27 This is a way to prove something.

12:30 This is their main focus.

12:32 Therefore, in my opinion, this is extremely weak.

12:35 The way they have done it.

12:37 When a party has done the election,

12:39 you cannot say that the election was wrong because of the officer's decision.

12:45 This is one thing.

12:47 The second thing is that the Pakistan Mirror guarantees that

12:52 every political party has the right to participate in the election as a party.

12:56 The Pakistan Mirror does not mention any intraparty election.

13:00 This was put in Article 17 for a while through the 17th amendment.

13:04 But the 18th amendment removed it.

13:07 Therefore, the Pakistan Mirror says that if a party is present,

13:11 and the Election Commission did not say that

13:13 the Justice Movement was not present because of the officers' wrong decision.

13:18 When the party is present and has the right to fight the election,

13:22 then the symbol is its fundamental right.

13:24 Sir, how big is the loss for the Justice Movement

13:28 not to get a political symbol?

13:30 As I said, the physical population of Pakistan.

13:33 I think, yes, it is a loss.

13:36 But it is not such a big loss that it is not worth the trouble.

13:40 I think that more effort will be required.

13:43 If the symbol is not found, then it will mean that

13:46 every candidate of the Justice Movement will have a separate symbol.

13:49 And obviously, it will create confusion in the minds.

13:54 But by working hard, this difficulty will be solved.

13:58 Sir, I will come to how much loss will be caused.

14:01 But I would like to say that I am absolutely sure that

14:04 the courts will remove this symbol.

14:07 This was a very weak decision.

14:09 This decision has destroyed the existence of the party.

14:13 So, I do not think that the High Court and the Supreme Court will continue this decision.

14:17 I will come to the footage of the nomination papers being snatched

14:22 or the mobina footage and the complaints that came multiple times from different circles.

14:27 I will come to that too.

14:29 I will ask Mr. Khakwani.

14:31 Mr. Khakwani, obviously, the election is going on.

14:33 Mr. Tariq-e-Insaaf, obviously, has his own set of issues and problems

14:37 that we are talking to Mr. Raja.

14:39 You have your own set of problems.

14:41 I saw that you have 18 seats.

14:43 If I subtract 2 or 3 seats, you have 12 or 13 candidates in the elections.

14:49 You were being called the Kings Party.

14:51 You have become a parking spot for those people.

14:56 But the road that is required to drive a car is not open for you.

14:59 The way I am able to see it.

15:02 You have always seen it the way you are saying.

15:06 Sir, if you have 70-80-100 candidates standing and you say this,

15:12 you will definitely say whatever you want.

15:14 You will keep saying it all the time.

15:16 Mr. Abbasi, when you marry someone else, you should listen to them too.

15:22 You have to answer to everyone.

15:24 Sir, if you ask me, I will answer.

15:26 Listen to me.

15:28 I have a request.

15:30 If in 4 months, we have not seen 18 candidates,

15:37 then it will definitely be good for you.

15:39 If 18 candidates have applied,

15:41 we have seen many such candidates who have never done so much in such numbers.

15:50 In fact, they did not get so many candidates in 20-15 years.

15:54 You never talk about them.

15:57 You are focusing on the elections.

16:00 Sir, I am not focusing on the elections.

16:02 You are focusing on the elections.

16:03 You know why.

16:04 You have made them leaders.

16:06 If we had 32 MNAs who have fought the elections and remained MNAs,

16:15 now they have not been able to enter due to some reasons or have apologized for entering.

16:23 You can talk to them later.

16:28 We are a party.

16:30 So many people have come in 4 months.

16:32 This is enough.

16:33 If there are 30-35 MNAs, that is also good.

16:38 Look at the other parties.

16:41 Look at the big parties like Jamaat-e-Israami in Pakistan.

16:46 Look at JUP.

16:49 They don't have that much.

16:51 Look at MKM.

16:53 It is limited to Karachi.

16:55 Everyone has their own situation.

16:59 If you give us a chance, God willing, this will continue.

17:05 Let's see where it goes.

17:06 Sir, this is not related to Noon League.

17:07 The last thing you said about the elections.

17:11 Salman is a lawyer.

17:14 He is our friend.

17:16 We have a personal friendship.

17:19 It is true that a party has its own personal style of elections.

17:29 I have also run for the party elections twice.

17:33 I had a big input in the 2018 elections.

17:39 I had a lot of input in the other cases.

17:44 There were no other candidates at that time.

17:49 We gave input and he ran it.

17:52 If the Chief Election Commissioner has made a decision and it is undue, it is a good thing.

18:04 A large party like PTI should participate in the elections.

18:10 The candidates should participate.

18:14 Without this, the elections will be a disaster.

18:18 Your party members are saying that they want to become the Prime Minister.

18:21 They promised 30-40 seats.

18:24 You will say that you are keeping an eye on us.

18:28 We are your friends.

18:30 What happened to that game?

18:33 I have only one friend who talks about his position.

18:43 I have not heard a single person say that he wants a particular position.

18:51 I know two candidates for the Prime Minister in your party.

18:55 You know everyone.

18:58 I am in the party and I have not heard anyone say that he is hopeful.

19:05 I am not saying anything wrong.

19:09 It is possible that we have a different relationship.

19:16 I don't know if he talks to you privately.

19:20 I have only seen one friend who has said that he is hopeful.

19:30 And this is Ali Imkhan sir.

19:33 You are my friend.

19:35 You can take the names of everyone.

19:40 You can take the names of your friends.

19:43 I have heard from one person that he is hopeful.

19:47 There is no one else.

19:49 How far has the alliance with PMLN reached?

19:52 You are right.

19:54 How far has the alliance with PMLN reached?

19:59 Shahbaz sir had expressed his desire to meet with PMLN.

20:08 He went with Jahangir Khan and a few other friends.

20:13 They sat down and talked.

20:15 They said that they want to hold a joint election.

20:18 A committee was formed.

20:20 I was a member of it.

20:22 A committee of five people was formed.

20:25 We were three.

20:26 We had two meetings.

20:28 We tried to find a meeting point.

20:33 The meeting point was discussed.

20:36 But I think they did not have the authority to say that it is okay.

20:41 They take their proposals and leadership.

20:44 I heard that Mr. Tareen only mentioned his and Mr. Rohan Choudhary's seats.

20:48 Is this correct?

20:50 What?

20:51 Mr. Tareen asked for his and Mr. Rohan Choudhary's seats.

20:54 The rest was just a rumor.

20:58 No, your assessment and your suggestion is completely wrong.

21:04 Okay, it is wrong.

21:07 Mr. Salman, you said that there will not be so much loss.

21:11 Let me tell you what the loss will be if you do not get the ballot.

21:14 A person who wins as a free person can go to any party.

21:20 He will not be bound by his party.

21:24 If he wins as a free person, he can announce to the people of Tariq-e-Insaf that he is a candidate for Tariq-e-Insaf.

21:31 But once you get elected, you can go to any party.

21:34 You will not get the reserved seats until you become a part of a political party.

21:38 These are two big losses that can happen to you in the future.

21:41 Apart from that, how will you campaign?

21:43 How will you convey the message to people that which is your electoral symbol?

21:47 Mr. Kashyap?

21:49 This is correct.

21:50 As far as the campaign is concerned, you are right that there is a risk of loss.

21:56 But I am saying that there is no loss that cannot be completed by working harder.

22:02 You have to tell the voter that even if he is not a voter, he is a candidate for the party.

22:10 You have to work hard for that.

22:12 The second thing you said is that he can join any party.

22:16 Or the reserved seats will not be collected.

22:22 I think this is a legal point that can be discussed.

22:26 Because not giving a symbol does not mean that the party is invalid.

22:32 Whether it is an election symbol or not, it will be that the candidates of the party will be given different symbols.

22:38 But the candidates will be of the party.

22:40 The party will not end because the symbol is not given.

22:43 Sir, but you are saying that if you are given a bucket, jeep or a pot, whatever the symbol,

22:51 you will still be bound by the law of justice.

22:56 I think that you will be free and you can go anywhere as a free person.

23:00 No, no, not at all.

23:01 But the party is not invalid.

23:03 The nomination paper that they have entered, it is written that we are candidates of the law of justice.

23:09 After that, if the candidate of the law of justice gets another symbol,

23:14 then the candidate will be of the law of justice.

23:17 Therefore, in my opinion, this can be a legal debate.

23:21 But the result of this will be that the candidate is of the same party,

23:26 even if they have used any symbol, because the election commission did not consider giving a symbol to the party.

23:32 But this will not change their status.

23:35 They will remain candidates of the party.

23:37 Kashif sir.

23:38 Yes, Mr. Khawani.

23:39 I consider Mr. Salman to be a very law-abiding person.

23:48 I am not even 1% in comparison to him.

23:52 My assessment is that parties get a symbol when they are registered.

24:00 There is a law in the registration of the party that the party will get the symbol registered every year.

24:13 And according to the law, they will show these documents and assets.

24:19 And on the basis of that, the symbol is allotted and if it continues,

24:26 I don't know what the country will be able to do at this time.

24:30 So I can't argue with Mr. Salman that whether the party will remain intact or not.

24:35 May Allah make it.

24:37 The second thing is that today there has been a big problem.

24:42 There is a doubt about this election.

24:45 If you do not give 5% women the ticket to the election and they do not fight,

24:53 then the party will not be considered to be an election and according to the law, it will be a defaulter.

25:03 Number two, the list of women who want to fight in the party is made.

25:12 Yes, but that list cannot be made.

25:14 I am being told to take a break.

25:17 It is true that there is a 5% women, but I think that the way of justice is because the free are fielding the candidates.

25:24 So many obligations that a political party has to fulfill,

25:27 there are some leverages for the way of justice have increased in this case.

25:30 But the difficulties will still remain.

25:33 Thank you very much to both guests.

25:34 Let's take a break.

25:36 Welcome back viewers.

25:37 Khursheed Shah is present with us from the Pakistan People's Party.

25:40 Shadi, Assalamu Alaikum.

25:42 Walikum Assalam.

25:44 Shadi, the confusion I have seen in the People's Party in the last few years,

25:51 everyone was talking about Zardari and Bilawal, did your issue get settled?

25:58 No, it is settled Kashif.

26:02 There is no such problem.

26:04 In healthy politics, in a healthy democratic system, these differences come and get resolved.

26:14 The differences come because they have to be resolved.

26:17 So, they have been resolved.

26:19 But this never happens publicly.

26:21 We have seen family politics, because it is in the family.

26:24 There are internal problems, internal issues.

26:27 When they come in public, the matter is beyond limits.

26:30 Because the public knows that the People's Party is a public party.

26:35 It speaks openly.

26:37 Whatever the differences are, they discuss it in the CEC.

26:40 Open discussions.

26:42 Okay, tell us who is your prime minister's candidate, Shadi, if you win?

26:46 No, the prime minister is naturally Bilawal Bhutto.

26:50 This is not training, this is not experience.

26:52 Zardari says it himself.

26:54 No, training comes.

26:56 Benazir Bhutto became the prime minister at the age of 35.

27:00 You must remember.

27:01 He is also 35 years old.

27:03 Bhutto sir became the minister at the age of 27.

27:07 And at the age of 30, he became the foreign minister.

27:09 So, on the job he will be learning, sir.

27:11 And what is the chance of uniting with the Noon League after the election, Shadi?

27:16 Look, we have no such big differences with the Noon League.

27:20 The only difference is that we have been in a much better position with the Noon League for 15 years.

27:28 Wherever there were difficulties, the People's Party stood ahead.

27:32 Look, because of the Noon League, the People's Party has suffered a lot in Punjab.

27:37 And our worker has been very angry.

27:40 And our worker has left a lot, that the People's Party has not spared the Basundi League.

27:44 We are not going to attack the Basundi League.

27:46 But we still say that we will have to work together.

27:51 We will have to move together.

27:53 The country needs to decide together.

27:57 But what the Noon League has done at the moment is that it has put its people in the government.

28:04 And when we...

28:05 Sir, was Safaraj Bhukti also in the government until the last news came?

28:11 No, Safaraj Bhukti is not ours.

28:14 So, he is not the office bearer of the party, but the day he left the government, he joined your party.

28:22 My brother, he is a minister or advisor or assistant prime minister in our caretaker government.

28:38 Special assistant to the prime minister.

28:40 Yes, special assistant to the prime minister.

28:44 So, he was not there.

28:46 And then he was not in our quota.

28:48 He was a senator.

28:49 The quota should not be of political parties.

28:51 It means that the caretaker should be of a political party.

28:54 It should not be.

28:55 Agreed.

28:56 It should not be agreed.

28:58 Our fight is also that five or six people were in your planning, who were special assistants,

29:08 who were PSPM, who were near him, were bureaucrats, but were near Noon League.

29:15 Did the people's party get the level playing field?

29:17 They were special assistants.

29:19 Okay.

29:20 No, we still think that we have not got it, but we do not need it, now we have to go.

29:25 Sir, did someone take your nomination paper somewhere?

29:28 Did such an incident happen with the people's party?

29:30 No.

29:31 At least, it has not happened in Sindh.

29:35 So, what will you say to the people who are watching this video?

29:39 No, it is not a good thing.

29:42 This will put a question mark on the election.

29:47 It should not be done.

29:49 If the election is put on a question mark, but if the election is held in this environment,

29:54 what do you think?

29:56 Then the question mark will be put.

29:58 The question mark will be put.

30:00 It will be put.

30:01 Now, it is the job of the judiciary to get elections done in a clean and transparent manner.

30:07 Sir, if the judiciary gives a decision, your party also criticizes it, why did you give a decision on it?

30:12 Should the question mark be put on the question mark?

30:14 Or should it not be put on the question mark?

30:16 Look, every party needs to take its share.

30:21 If someone is involved in any matter, if he is nominated, then he should not fight the election.

30:28 He should not be given the election chair.

30:30 He should not vote.

30:32 He should not be in the process.

30:34 What did the rest of the people do wrong?

30:36 They should give them a chance, fight the election, come.

30:39 Who are the people with?

30:41 There should be a competition.

30:43 But sir, at this time, the situation is...

30:45 This is a game of a few days.

30:47 This is a game of a few days.

30:49 And then there is a night of sleep.

30:52 Now, for the night of sleep, we should not do such a thing that we have to get involved in a game of a few days.

31:01 But no one has publicly stated the way...

31:04 Your party, whether to improve the situation or put a question mark on the elections, will be put on the question mark.

31:09 But let's go to Pakistan.

31:10 We are doing it.

31:12 We...

31:14 Every party talked about increasing two days, talking about postponing the election.

31:19 The opposition party talked about increasing the election time.

31:22 You will not appreciate it.

31:24 No, they talked about postponing the election.

31:26 We said, "Do the election.

31:28 Parliament should be removed.

31:30 Parliament should come.

31:31 They should decide about this country.

31:33 We cannot go on the caretaker.

31:34 The country cannot go on.

31:36 But sir, we are going to an election in which the leader of a political party is also out.

31:41 He is not even given the election symbol.

31:44 Things are also being snatched.

31:45 This is obvious.

31:47 As I say, many things are decided by history.

31:49 We leave it to history.

31:50 History will decide many things.

31:52 Tell me, will the PDM2 government be formed after the elections?

31:55 You, Muslim League...

31:57 I...

31:59 Kashif, you are one of the educated people, one of the top-level educated anchors.

32:06 You know the history the best.

32:08 This is not a new thing today.

32:11 No, it is correct.

32:12 That papers are snatched or names are not given.

32:16 Here, elections are party-less.

32:21 Here, the People's Party did not get a way.

32:24 We used to fight elections in the name of the common people.

32:27 The symbols were different.

32:29 If I had a horse, someone's letter would be there.

32:32 The party was the same.

32:33 Common people.

32:34 So, this is not a new thing.

32:36 But in recent history, this has happened.

32:37 No one dies from these things.

32:38 I remember, as People's Party...

32:40 I am saying this.

32:42 We remember, the elections of the 80s and 90s were always to keep the People's Party aside.

32:47 But, in recent times, there has been a lot of criticism on this.

32:51 For the first time, there was so much criticism.

32:53 Because new mediums came, electronic media came, social media came.

32:56 So, there has been a lot of talk on this that elections should be free and fair.

33:00 All political parties have tried to do that.

33:02 Look, in those days, we used to have this.

33:06 When newspapers were black and white.

33:10 Nothing was written.

33:12 In those days, we used to have this.

33:14 But we faced it.

33:16 With a lot of peace.

33:17 We faced it with humility.

33:19 We had leadership.

33:21 Leadership gave life.

33:23 We still have leadership.

33:25 The party that has leadership, should never be afraid.

33:30 This is right.

33:31 There is a fight, let's go.

33:33 Let them go, their work will go.

33:34 Tell me, is the PDM2 government going to be formed?

33:37 No, not yet.

33:40 There is still an election.

33:41 Sir, but when you say, I read your statement, there is no simple majority.

33:45 If there is no simple majority, then the government will be formed by the people.

33:49 Look, Kashif, I say 100% that no party will come in this position with a simple majority.

33:57 If there is a government after the election, then it will have to be formed by the people.

34:03 How much can that government climb?

34:05 Whose view can it climb?

34:07 In our view, in our politics, and in the politics of Islam, there is a difference of day and night.

34:12 Now they want to privatize, we do not want to privatize.

34:15 We want labor power, they do not want labor power.

34:18 There is a big difference.

34:19 We talk about the rights of farmers, they talk about the rights of industrialists.

34:25 We talk about the growth level, they talk about the top level.

34:30 We have a big difference. It is very difficult.

34:33 But you are also a hospital.

34:34 I will discuss this with you someday after the elections.

34:36 The hospitals that you have built in Sindh, that too is a private public partnership.

34:41 You are building it privately.

34:42 You have private people who build hospitals, your government funds them.

34:47 This is as good as privatization, but today's discussion is not like that.

34:50 I want to focus on this till the elections.

34:53 No, no, no, I will clear this now.

34:55 What you have said, which private hospital is it that you fund?

35:01 No, no, the private boards that you run, the private boards run by the government.

35:06 The heart of Sukkur, or the liver transplant of your heart, I agree, is a big initiative.

35:16 The NICBD of Sukkur is also state of the art, that too is of the government.

35:23 The state of the heart of Sukkur, the SIUT, is also of the government.

35:29 There is a child hospital in Sukkur, NICBD.

35:33 But it is not private.

35:34 That too is private.

35:35 This is a long discussion, we will discuss this later.

35:37 It is not private.

35:38 There is no money in it.

35:40 The money is zero.

35:42 It is not private.

35:44 It is free of cost.

35:47 If you do a heart operation, it is not a cost of a rupee.

35:50 I said that the government pays for it, not the government.

35:54 I agree that the government pays for it.

35:57 I was just telling you about running it.

35:59 Anyway, leave this, Shashi, tell me, when you say that everyone has to run together,

36:04 then you are saying that everyone has to form a government together after the elections.

36:09 Absolutely, there can be no two things in this.

36:12 One party cannot get so many votes.

36:16 It is very difficult for any party to get 130 votes in a 140 vote direct election.

36:24 It is very difficult.

36:26 So you think that Noon and People's Party will be together in the next government.

36:30 No, I don't think so.

36:33 Noon People's Party, Noon JUI, Noon MQMO, it is possible that the People's Party sits in the opposition.

36:42 It is possible that the People's Party itself comes into power.

36:46 Is there any possibility of Zardari sir becoming the president?

36:49 Just out of curiosity.

36:52 Everything is possible.

36:54 Why can't it be?

36:55 Why can't he become the president?

36:56 He has no right.

36:57 He has run the government with great glory.

37:00 He is the first president who has given all his power to the parliament.

37:03 All power.

37:05 From 52B to the power of atomic energy or nuclear power, he has given it to the parliament.

37:13 The parliament knows his work.

37:15 What is my work?

37:17 You must have got the first president in Pakistan.

37:20 Yes, there is a credit.

37:22 The 18th Tarbim is also a credit of the People's Party, through which all this work was done.

37:26 Kashif bhai, you and I have fought for the 18th Tarbim.

37:41 to hum not reach Allah

Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 25th December 2023

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