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00:00 Bismillahirrahmanirrahim, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Program Khabar with Meher Bukhari

00:04 I, Sadaf Abdul Jabbar, welcome you all.

00:06 The election is over, the elections are scheduled for 8th February.

00:09 The Election Commission and the Nigrah Government have made a very clear announcement once again.

00:14 But the political scenario is getting more and more interesting.

00:19 Especially after Nawaz Sharif's return, we are seeing the cases one by one.

00:26 Today, the Islamabad High Court has extended the term of NAB and decided to hear the Al Aziziyah reference on merit.

00:34 The court has extended the request to the court to send the Al Aziziyah reference again.

00:39 And Nawaz Sharif's party also wanted the Islamabad High Court to decide on this.

00:44 Because the case will be again trialed and the decision will be made.

00:49 And there is very little time left for the elections.

00:52 And Al Aziziyah is the case in which Nawaz Sharif has been sentenced to 7 years.

00:58 So, to participate in the elections, to be a part of the elections, to fight for the elections,

01:02 this punishment must be decided tomorrow.

01:05 Before this, there was a case of Flagship Reference, there was an Evanfield case, they have already got the merit in that.

01:11 Now, in the political scenario, we are seeing that the political parties, especially if we talk about the Jamia Ulama Islam,

01:18 they said that the month in which the elections are going to be held, those months are very cold.

01:23 And there are some areas where it is very difficult for the voter.

01:26 Voters have to leave the house and it is also a big science to take the voter out of the house on the day of the election.

01:33 It is a lot of hard work.

01:34 In this case, the Moulana also said that terrorism is a big reason why we are not able to run our election campaign in that way.

01:43 So, he has been expressing reservations.

01:46 Now, when the Election Commission has repeated it in two words,

01:50 so, has the reservations of these communities been addressed or will it be worked on now?

01:55 This is a very important question.

01:57 Along with that, the Pakistan People's Party, Muslim League Noon, we can see that the election field is increasing,

02:03 the way the Noon League is resolving the issues of political conflict,

02:07 the same Pakistan People's Party has started its election campaign.

02:10 And Bilawal Bhutto is again in the head.

02:13 But interestingly, the main target of their campaign is Nawaz Sharif,

02:18 who is being repeatedly declared as a pampered by Pakistan People's Party.

02:22 So, is it a matter of anxiety for Muslim League Noon that a community that has been in power with them for 16 months is putting a tag of pampering them?

02:31 So, do they want to go to this election with this tag or do they think that the People's Party is not much in this matter?

02:36 We will ask this to the guests who will be with us.

02:38 We will talk about the rest of the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

02:43 The intra-party elections have been challenged.

02:45 Now, obviously, when they have been challenged, their mark, the mark of the party, is in danger.

02:49 Will there be intra-party elections again?

02:51 What will happen?

02:52 All these issues have become very important for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

02:55 And the information is also coming that PTI can boycott the election.

03:00 Now, this is a very interesting situation.

03:02 In these circumstances, when the People's Party is expressing its reservations,

03:05 if PTI is not in the election, if it is not a part of the election,

03:10 then what will be the results of the election?

03:12 Will they be acceptable to everyone?

03:14 Because all the ingredients are the same, with which the election, God forbid, its result can be controversial.

03:21 So, let me introduce the guest in the program, Senator General Retired, Abdul Qayyum has joined us.

03:26 He is the senior advisor of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.

03:28 Let's start with him.

03:29 Assalam-o-Alaikum, Senator.

03:31 Yes, Walaikum-o-Alaikum.

03:34 Sir, tell us, Nawaz Sharif's appeal was accepted.

03:38 Islamabad High Court will now decide on the case of Al-Aziziyah on its own merits.

03:42 So, the case that was to be taken to the court, that is, the appeal made by the Naib,

03:47 so, in your opinion, if this case would have been remanded,

03:51 if the trial would have been held again, then its decision would have come again,

03:54 so, Nawaz Sharif, by the trial again and the decision coming again,

03:58 now he is saved, now you think that this decision will be made soon,

04:02 will it be made in Islamabad High Court as compared to Ahtisaab Court?

04:05 See, this demand of Muslim League Noon is completely right-wing,

04:14 and instead of a higher court, who has this case, listening to it,

04:21 instead of remanding it and wasting more time,

04:25 of the government, lawyers, courts and clients,

04:30 so, in my opinion, this is justified, they said that you should listen to it on your own merits,

04:36 and decide on it yourself, so, this is right.

04:39 Number two, the thing is that, see, the injustices that have been committed against Nawaz Sharif,

04:46 which he was removed from his Prime Ministership,

04:50 he had 130 cases in 100 days, and decisions were made against him in a hurry,

04:56 so, if the courts are giving him justice, then this is a good thing,

05:02 everyone should be satisfied with this, I think,

05:05 so, I can assure you that the elections that you have talked about in your intro,

05:11 all the parties are agreeing that the elections will be on 8th February,

05:15 and they should be, and even today, our President of Muslim League Punjab,

05:20 Jorana Sinaullah Sahib said that we should have delayed for a day,

05:24 but what Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib is saying, he has not said at all that the elections should be delayed,

05:30 he has mentioned some difficulties, which are absolutely justified,

05:34 that is, if the elections will be held in February, then in the remote areas,

05:38 and the people who live in the snow-covered mountains, there will be problems,

05:42 he said that they will have problems.

05:44 Number two, the fear of terrorism, this is also a justified observation,

05:49 but he has not said that the elections should be stopped because of this,

05:53 this means that you will have to see how to remove these difficulties,

05:59 so, I assure you that we have to move forward,

06:02 the country is in good hands, the elections are on time,

06:05 and we also believe that everyone should get justice,

06:10 Nawaz Sharif Sahib has been wronged, he is being rectified,

06:14 and now calling him a darling or that, I think this is not right,

06:20 we are praying for the People's Party, they should make an effort,

06:24 they should come forward, but they know that the status of Pakistan Muslim League in Punjab and the country,

06:32 or the stature of Pakistan's political atmosphere today,

06:38 that is in it, that of Mian Nawaz Sharif, that is of no one else.

06:41 Senator Sahib, tell us that the other cases, the flagship case, the Evanfield case,

06:47 you have got relief from that, you have been acquitted in Evanfield,

06:50 how long can you get relief from Al-Aziziyah?

06:52 When the decision will be made on merit in Al-Aziziyah,

06:56 then the people of the Muslim League, or those who are familiar with the law,

07:01 they have no doubt that Nawaz Sharif's personal involvement is nowhere in it,

07:06 the whole report that JIT had prepared, today I was in the High Court,

07:11 and I was listening to the arguments, that JIT's lawyers were reading the papers of Mian Nawaz Sharif,

07:18 in which it was written that his involvement is nowhere in it,

07:22 so I think we leave it to the Honourable Court and the judges to do justice and give a verdict on merit.

07:29 Now the verdict that we like, we make fun of it,

07:34 when Nawaz Sharif was punished in Ujlat, he was handcuffed, he went to jail,

07:40 and he was punished for such a long time, and the judge also agreed, that was all right.

07:46 Today if the courts absolutely want to do justice and a fair trial is taking place,

07:51 and they are presenting themselves in the court, and they say that you should decide on merit,

07:56 then the courts are free, I am sure that we will accept the verdict they will make,

08:00 but we hope that Inshallah, Mian Nawaz Sharif will be a red-spotted soul,

08:05 and he will be accepted in the whole country, in the region, and on the international level.

08:11 Senator sir, tell me one more thing,

08:13 The way Mian Nawaz Sharif's Saudi Arabia, Middle Eastern countries, UAE, China, European Union,

08:19 and all these countries are related to him,

08:22 I don't have anything to do with the inhumanity of the country,

08:25 Senator sir, in the interest of a larger Pakistan, it would be better if people understand him better,

08:33 and vote for him, but only those should come forward who will get the vote,

08:36 and let me tell you one more thing, that running the government of Pakistan is not a bad idea,

08:42 I think that the people of Uddaud should not have the desire to come forward,

08:47 until you have two-thirds majority, or at least a simple majority,

08:52 Senator sir, can you hear me?

08:54 Yes, I can hear you.

08:57 Senator sir, can you tell me about the Nahli issue, that the act that you passed,

09:03 that if Nahli is completed in five years, then that Nahli will be terminated automatically,

09:08 the election act that was passed, it was amended,

09:11 so if Nahli is completed in five years, then it will be terminated automatically,

09:15 but do you think that this sword will be hanging on your head in the future,

09:19 that this issue can be challenged, because the five-member bench had decided on Nahli,

09:24 so obviously the higher bench will have to finish her status,

09:29 this is the opinion of many legal experts, do you agree with this?

09:34 No, see, agreeing with the opinion or not is a different matter,

09:40 I want to say that an act was passed, under which it was said that Nahli will be five years,

09:46 and we think that there is absolutely no doubt about her eligibility,

09:53 but if the opponents have the right to challenge her, then they should do it in the larger bench,

10:00 we hope that the courts will do it.

10:04 For whom is this amendment required?

10:08 The act that you brought, to present any legal basis,

10:14 you had to bring an amendment, to change any law.

10:17 See, neither you nor I are in a position to give a verdict,

10:23 this is also in the courts, the experts of the law,

10:27 now it has become a custom that the case is being held in the court,

10:31 and we assume something, and then we say that if it happens like this, then what will happen,

10:38 I think if someone challenges in the court, then our courts are qualified,

10:44 they are sensible people, our judges are competent,

10:48 they will see it and whatever decision they make, should be accepted by everyone.

10:52 Senator, let's talk about Maulana Sahib,

10:55 because obviously you are adjusting the seat with him,

10:58 you have been united and have good relations with him,

11:01 of Pakistan Muslim League, let's listen to what concerns he is expressing,

11:06 then I will ask you the question.

11:10 So, how important is it to address these concerns,

11:14 when he is asking, can we run the election campaign in this condition,

11:18 what impression is he trying to give, Maulana Sahib,

11:20 you keep talking, please tell us.

11:22 See, the question is not about giving an impression,

11:27 the question is that he is presenting facts,

11:30 and it is true that this season is very harsh,

11:33 and this curse of terrorism, has not been removed yet,

11:38 so in this situation, he is trying to say that running the campaign will be difficult,

11:42 and this is true, it will be difficult,

11:44 and for that, extra precautions will have to be taken,

11:47 you will have to take security measures,

11:49 and I am sure, but he did not say that the elections should not be held on time,

11:55 or that they should be delayed.

11:57 And the Noon League claims that they will get a simple majority,

12:03 and we are seeing that the People's Party is again holding a Jalsa,

12:07 and we are not seeing any such campaign after 21st October,

12:10 we met Shaud-e-Shahjad after 15 years,

12:13 I remember Nawaz Sharif Sahib used to say that we will not include Musharraf's incidents,

12:19 and he also gave a gift from Al-Khabad, which I do not want to repeat here,

12:23 they were not good, but when we met,

12:25 so is the Noon League at risk of not getting a simple majority,

12:28 is that why you are looking for supporters, for supporters?

12:33 Look, the supporters are not looking for the Noon League at all,

12:36 but the Noon League is being approached,

12:39 because in the whole of Pakistan, people who have a little political wisdom,

12:44 they think that this is the Party, and this is the leader who can easily remove Pakistan,

12:51 they are not coming in the sympathy of the Noon League,

12:54 they are coming for their own benefit,

12:56 So you do not need Chaudhary Sahib?

12:58 So you are looking for supporters,

13:01 you used to say Musharraf's incidents,

13:04 so how is this matter not included in Musharraf's incidents?

13:09 Look, you want to put words in my mouth,

13:13 as far as the Q League is concerned,

13:16 and Chaudhary Shujao Hussain,

13:18 he is a very old leader of an undisputed Pakistan,

13:22 I have also seen his father's contribution,

13:25 so if he has given the right kind of advice to his cousin Parvez Ilai,

13:32 and if Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib has come to him,

13:35 then I think we should be happy about it,

13:38 instead of there being any alarm on it,

13:40 you have seen MQM came to us,

13:42 your people of the National Party came,

13:45 Fazlur Rahman Gup Sahib is coming,

13:47 These are your words, you had a lot of complaints against them,

13:50 so what stage did those complaints go away on?

13:53 The reason for that is that he had a group of supporters,

13:57 and now Chaudhary Shujao Hussain also thinks that

14:00 if there is a leader in Pakistan,

14:02 then it is Nawaz Sharif and Muslim League Noon,

14:05 that is the reason that he wants to come,

14:08 and the leader of Muslim League Noon, Nawaz Sharif,

14:11 he always has a big heart,

14:13 and when he came to power in 2013,

14:16 you know that there was a governor of MQM in Karachi,

14:21 Irshadulabad,

14:23 so people said that our governor should be our own,

14:26 so he said no problem, let him be,

14:28 Azad Kashmir had no confidence,

14:30 so he said don't do it,

14:32 Gilgit Baltistan can change the government,

14:34 so he said no, I don't go on a rampage,

14:36 I take everyone forward,

14:38 then a national action plan was made,

14:40 in that all the civil leadership,

14:43 in which the leadership of justice,

14:46 the military leadership was brought together,

14:49 Imran Khan fell from a stage,

14:52 he went to his house to ask him,

14:55 and even today our doors are open,

14:58 we have the interest of the country in our mind,

15:01 these governments keep coming,

15:03 we have to take the country forward,

15:05 and we should not look for ifs and buts,

15:07 which is in front of a mill,

15:09 and in future we should make a mill effort,

15:12 and this is what Nawaz Sharif has said,

15:14 that we should not play our own drum,

15:16 we should take everyone forward,

15:18 and everyone should get justice,

15:20 so Insha Allah I tell you,

15:22 we should end on a positive note,

15:24 Pakistan will get out of this difficult time,

15:27 the steps of the Aburi government are also very commendable,

15:31 and the country's economy is getting stable,

15:34 the stock exchange has gone up,

15:36 the value of foreign exchange dollars have stabilized,

15:40 this is the government's strategy,

15:42 and we have taken such administrative steps,

15:46 that the situation has improved,

15:48 and the PPP has become very critical,

15:51 and they say that our exchange was not like that,

15:54 and these decisions are taken,

15:56 especially the economic decisions,

15:58 our exchange was like the foreign exchange,

16:00 and we performed better there,

16:02 and I am talking about the PPP,

16:04 and Zardari has also given a sign,

16:06 that a government will be formed,

16:08 which will not be able to get a clear majority,

16:10 it will be a united government,

16:12 and Hanif Abbasi has said that,

16:14 if we don't get a clear majority,

16:16 we will sit in the opposition,

16:18 so is this the consensus of your party,

16:20 that if you don't get a clear majority,

16:22 you will sit in the opposition?

16:24 I think we should not think,

16:26 that we got a clear majority or not,

16:28 we should think about the interests of Pakistan,

16:32 if the interests of Pakistan are,

16:34 that collectively whatever votes are received,

16:37 you unanimously choose a leader,

16:40 and talk about taking the country forward,

16:43 by getting above the parties,

16:45 I think that will be appreciable,

16:47 but we are determined that by the grace of Allah,

16:49 we will get a simple majority,

16:52 and if we have obedience,

16:54 then it will become a two-thirds majority,

16:57 and this is the only way to get the country out of trouble,

17:00 in this we will need the help of the opposition,

17:03 we will need the help of the government,

17:05 we will need the help of all the institutions,

17:07 so that Pakistan is out of trouble.

17:09 The People's Party is calling Nawaz Sharif,

17:11 a favourite,

17:12 the previous government was called selected,

17:14 how concerning is it for you,

17:16 that there should not be a tag,

17:18 and what are you doing for this?

17:20 Look, we are not worried about,

17:22 what the other party says,

17:24 you think that when,

17:26 the government of Nawaz Sharif and Muslim League,

17:28 was in Baluchistan,

17:30 he was broken and became a father,

17:32 then who was the favourite,

17:34 if in North Punjab,

17:36 all the people would have joined you,

17:40 then they would have made you,

17:42 then there would have been no problem,

17:44 it would have become a separate group,

17:46 so that is why you are doing this,

17:48 I think these statements of the People's Party,

17:50 are political statements,

17:52 at the end of the day,

17:54 the seats they get,

17:56 after that I am sure,

17:58 there will be unity,

18:00 it will be seen how to take the country forward,

18:02 they don't take it seriously,

18:04 that the opposition is saying,

18:06 that he is the favourite or not,

18:08 the people are very aware,

18:10 and they know,

18:12 what happened with Nawaz Sharif and his government,

18:14 and after the sudden removal,

18:16 how much damage it did to the economy of Pakistan,

18:18 and today,

18:20 your psychosocial aspect,

18:22 your national ethos,

18:24 has gone up and down,

18:26 so may Allah Almighty,

18:28 bring us together,

18:30 and bring the nation together,

18:32 and bring the country together,

18:34 in politics, some will be in government,

18:36 some will be in opposition,

18:38 but we should not make our political enemies,

18:40 personal enemies,

18:42 and for power,

18:44 we should not even hit below the belt,

18:46 so I hope that,

18:48 God willing, Pakistan is on the right track,

18:50 and elections will be held,

18:52 and the government that comes,

18:54 should be in full agreement,

18:56 and it will take Pakistan forward,

18:58 and after elections,

19:00 the situation will be streamlined.

19:02 Thank you so much, Senator Abdul Qayyum,

19:04 for the conversation,

19:06 and for telling us,

19:08 what is the Moon League doing politically,

19:10 and what is the legal battle,

19:12 they are facing,

19:14 and how they are moving forward.

19:16 We will take a break,

19:18 and when we come back,

19:20 we will discuss this political scenario,

19:22 with the commentators,

19:24 and see if the concerns of the Jamaat,

19:26 regarding the elections, have been removed.

19:28 Welcome back once again,

19:30 and when the election schedule is in place,

19:32 then only,

19:34 the situation will be streamlined.

19:36 The PPP is running its campaign,

19:38 and there are gatherings,

19:40 and Bilal is addressing them,

19:42 but the Muslim League,

19:44 is busy in the politics of power,

19:46 and we are not seeing their election campaign,

19:48 in that way,

19:50 and if we talk about Nabaz Sharif,

19:52 the PTI chair,

19:54 both have different issues,

19:56 and different problems,

19:58 and if the punishment for Nabaz Sharif,

20:00 in the Al Aziziya case,

20:02 is declared as a no,

20:04 then how much chance will he have,

20:06 to win the elections?

20:08 The PPP has been challenged,

20:10 and the sign of change is in danger,

20:12 and what will be the position,

20:14 of their own cases,

20:16 and will the Jamaat,

20:18 be able to get a simple majority,

20:20 or not?

20:22 There are many questions,

20:24 that we will try to answer.

20:26 We have a special guest,

20:28 Athar Kazmi,

20:30 who has joined us today.

20:32 Thank you both.

20:34 Muneeb, I will start with you,

20:36 the election commission,

20:38 and the Nigra government,

20:40 have said it again,

20:42 that it is crystal clear,

20:44 that the elections will be held on 8th February,

20:46 and Maulana Sahib,

20:48 has said that it will be a very cold,

20:50 and he has said that,

20:52 they are not able to run the campaign,

20:54 and it is very difficult to address them.

20:56 Is this a demand, or a threat?

20:58 And by the way, today is voters day,

21:00 so it is important to build trust,

21:02 and the political parties have to do that,

21:04 who are expressing their reservations.

21:06 Thank you very much.

21:08 See, the trust of voters will be built,

21:10 or encouraged,

21:12 to vote.

21:14 If they are sure that,

21:16 the candidate or the party,

21:18 will be voted for,

21:20 and will not be disenfranchised,

21:22 and the elections in the country,

21:24 will be in accordance with the law.

21:26 As far as,

21:28 Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib's concerns are concerned,

21:30 see, this is absolutely correct,

21:32 that a considerable amount of,

21:34 electables I would say,

21:36 or those people,

21:38 who want to fight the elections,

21:40 in those areas,

21:42 where there is a winter break,

21:44 even in February,

21:46 they do have concerns,

21:48 and they have addressed the relevant quarters,

21:50 which have been directed towards the Election Commission,

21:52 where you can take this matter to them.

21:54 But there is a very technical point,

21:56 which we have to see,

21:58 and that is,

22:00 is there really in Pakistan,

22:02 in the whole of Pakistan,

22:04 such a place,

22:06 such constituencies are there,

22:08 where it will be impossible for people,

22:10 to go to polling on February 8th,

22:12 due to weather,

22:14 or because of weather restrictions.

22:16 If this is the case,

22:18 then it is a genuine concern,

22:20 and this election commission,

22:22 will have to be looked into.

22:24 But if it is not so,

22:26 and there is no other incapacity,

22:28 they can go,

22:30 the roads are there,

22:32 it is not that it is snowing,

22:34 or landsliding,

22:36 if it is not so,

22:38 then elections can be held,

22:40 and polling can also be held.

22:42 See, the importance of this is more,

22:44 that no doubt all political parties are saying,

22:46 that elections should not go ahead,

22:48 and they have already gone ahead,

22:50 and illegal and illegal work has been done,

22:52 and there should not be any further delay in this.

22:54 But, keep this in mind,

22:56 that if there are really such

22:58 extenuating circumstances,

23:00 in which polling is really,

23:02 within a few circles,

23:04 we do not know which circles they are,

23:06 but if there is a real problem,

23:08 then a very big and technical point is born,

23:10 that see, until the entire house

23:12 cannot be elected,

23:14 until you cannot elect the Prime Minister,

23:16 this is not a matter of by-elections,

23:18 nor is it that if elections are being held,

23:20 and there is a fight in 4 cities,

23:22 and if he has to leave 3 cities,

23:24 then by-election will take place,

23:26 or God forbid, if there is a natural death,

23:28 or something happens,

23:30 or calamity comes,

23:32 those are other things,

23:34 but keep this in mind,

23:36 that yes, polling cannot be held in these 8 circles,

23:38 so a general election cannot be conducted,

23:40 because it will be a fruitless exercise,

23:42 so he will not be able to elect the Prime Minister,

23:44 and to elect the Prime Minister,

23:46 it is necessary that the house is complete,

23:48 barring a few other issues,

23:50 which I have mentioned.

23:52 Alright, Athar, you also shed light on this,

23:56 the question I asked Muneeb,

23:58 how important it is to address

24:00 all these issues as Moulana Sahib said,

24:02 along with that,

24:04 if we look at the People's Party election campaign,

24:06 their target is Nawaz Sharif,

24:08 they have been repeatedly taunted,

24:10 that they are being launched,

24:12 they are the largest,

24:14 how concerning a factor should it be for PMLN,

24:16 to put this tag on them,

24:18 because obviously, political parties

24:20 make a narrative, statements,

24:22 put their best foot forward,

24:24 they have to gain the trust of voters,

24:26 so do you think there should be a concern for them,

24:28 to repeat this again and again about the People's Party?

24:30 No, I don't think so, to be honest,

24:34 their statements,

24:36 where they are standing,

24:38 they have their own views,

24:40 and the People's Party,

24:42 which is targeting them,

24:44 is doing this because,

24:46 the politics of Pakistan is divided into two branches,

24:48 on one side,

24:50 there is the vote of Tariq-e-Insaf,

24:52 or the chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf,

24:54 and on the other side,

24:56 there is the vote of all political parties,

24:58 now, on the other side,

25:00 some people will say,

25:02 that it is a minority vote,

25:04 some will say, that it is a majority vote,

25:06 and the people are trying to decide,

25:08 this is something, the People's Party knows,

25:10 that the vote of Tariq-e-Insaf,

25:12 will not be in any way,

25:14 yes, to motivate our voters,

25:16 and maybe,

25:18 to get the undecided voters,

25:20 to get them to vote for us,

25:22 they are putting this allegation on the Noon League,

25:24 but the Noon League, how large it is,

25:26 or not, who knows more than the People's Party,

25:28 they are a part of their coalition,

25:30 and earlier,

25:32 Zardari Sahib,

25:34 I think,

25:36 before the elections,

25:38 he is trying to get back,

25:40 to his traditional pitch,

25:42 sorry,

25:44 on behalf of the Pakistan People's Party,

25:46 that is why,

25:48 he and his party,

25:50 are being criticized.

25:52 Muneeb, put light on this,

25:54 meeting with the 14th Shijrat of Namaz Sharif,

25:56 you think, they need support,

25:58 that is why, they went to him,

26:00 the past statements are in front of us,

26:02 and he said, we will never get them together.

26:04 See, in politics,

26:08 everything,

26:10 it is not that,

26:12 it is decided, that it has to be like this,

26:14 in politics, it is said,

26:16 it is the art of the possible,

26:18 and when the times change,

26:20 many people,

26:22 who are your arch rivals,

26:24 they become your rivals,

26:26 see, in Pakistan,

26:28 if you look at it that way,

26:30 it is not that,

26:32 Shijrat Sahib is very respectable,

26:34 his family is very respectable,

26:36 but they did not have that strength,

26:38 especially when,

26:40 Praveez Ilahi Sahib,

26:42 joined the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,

26:44 and Monash Ilahi Sahib,

26:46 eventually, of course, went there,

26:48 so Pakistan, Muslim League, Kaaf,

26:50 had a setback,

26:52 because the family,

26:54 whose examples were given,

26:56 that here, there is a big strength,

26:58 now, will Pakistan,

27:00 Muslim League, Kaaf,

27:02 make that one and a half inch mosque,

27:04 and in the same way,

27:06 will it be able to move forward,

27:08 in such a situation,

27:10 will they be able to win the election,

27:12 this is a very big question,

27:14 or do they need Muslim League more,

27:16 and will they be able to,

27:18 together, compete with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,

27:20 or not, this is a very big question,

27:22 because, I can tell you,

27:24 that at the moment,

27:26 there are many concerns for themselves as well,

27:28 Mian Warship Sahib,

27:30 has certainly come back,

27:32 and by his return, the voters have certainly got a boost,

27:34 and there is a revival,

27:36 of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,

27:38 but there is still a lot of work to be done,

27:40 Muslim League Noon still has a very big challenge,

27:42 in front of them,

27:44 that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,

27:46 despite all the problems,

27:48 as a community,

27:50 and in terms of the strength of the voters,

27:52 is still strong,

27:54 and is still standing on top of the Muslim League Noon,

27:56 yes, that is a different matter,

27:58 that in our country,

28:00 acceptance is more important than acceptance,

28:02 and it is also considered,

28:04 whatever happened in the past,

28:06 Muslim League Noon,

28:08 still in 2018,

28:10 despite being against all the state machinery,

28:12 people still contested for the Muslim League Noon ticket,

28:14 and in Punjab,

28:16 Muslim League Noon was the biggest community,

28:18 in the Punjab Assembly, in 2018,

28:20 but in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,

28:22 in Imran Khan's account,

28:24 he said that the equation for them has changed,

28:26 they are more popular in the message,

28:28 as compared to PMLN,

28:30 but their acceptability

28:32 has major issues,

28:34 and I think they will remain,

28:36 because Imran Khan is still standing on the same thing,

28:38 and none of them

28:40 is ready to admit their mistakes,

28:42 and what they have done,

28:44 it is in the broad daylight,

28:46 everyone knows what they have done.

28:48 [Shahnaz] Athar,

28:50 what will you say about the question,

28:52 how are you seeing it,

28:54 and if it is going to happen,

28:56 it is the same impression,

28:58 that it will be a PDN type government,

29:00 then it is very important to decide

29:02 the economic stage,

29:04 so do you think

29:06 the Al Aziziya issue,

29:08 is the Muslim League Noon election campaign

29:10 on hold,

29:12 because they are waiting for the decision

29:14 to be made, and the punishment will be given?

29:16 [Athar] See,

29:18 the first thing is that we met

29:20 Mian from the CAF League,

29:22 this is a small part of the CAF League,

29:24 Chaudhry Shujaat is not in a position

29:26 to win a Gujarat match,

29:28 and meeting Mian,

29:30 and talking about seat adjustment,

29:32 this is a clear signal,

29:34 a clear thing,

29:36 that Mian understands

29:38 how popular we are,

29:40 their popularity is so high,

29:42 that they are going from the CAF League

29:44 to seat adjustment,

29:46 which cannot even claim

29:48 on one seat,

29:50 that this seat is confirmed,

29:52 so if they are meeting them,

29:54 then you can guess,

29:56 similarly they met the Baaf party,

29:58 met the MKM people,

30:00 so this is a kind of desperation,

30:02 and the foundation of ground realities,

30:04 that the ground realities are that

30:06 whoever says, they know that

30:08 we are not going to vote on the ground,

30:10 the ground realities are completely different,

30:12 so the more people can be brought together,

30:14 the more efforts can be made,

30:16 and we have seen this from Mian's side,

30:18 in the earlier days.

30:20 So, being accepted does not matter,

30:22 this is also part of our politics,

30:24 acceptance matters,

30:26 you think that this is our politics,

30:28 and politics revolves around it.

30:30 You can say that,

30:32 but I do not agree with this,

30:34 I think that

30:36 obviously,

30:38 the one who gets the vote,

30:40 there, you can put a difference

30:42 of 10-20,

30:44 now how can you put a difference of 10-20,

30:46 when you have so much difference

30:48 in the vote bank,

30:50 and if there are free and fair elections,

30:52 which are being claimed,

30:54 everyone is saying that there will be free and fair elections,

30:56 then it will be very difficult

30:58 to cover this gap,

31:00 and then the political statements,

31:02 now you see,

31:04 what happened in Islamabad High Court,

31:06 all the political statements

31:08 were made on a video,

31:10 a video of a judge,

31:12 today it was said that we do not want to pursue that video,

31:14 earlier in the courts,

31:16 they used to say that we have other videos,

31:18 so you show those videos,

31:20 if your innocence is being proved by that video,

31:22 then why are you detracting from it,

31:24 or retracting it,

31:26 similarly, you remember Rana Shamim's affidavit,

31:28 it was said that it was a conspiracy,

31:30 and later they went to Islamabad High Court,

31:32 and said that we are taking back that affidavit,

31:34 there is no truth in it.

31:36 So, this is the thing that

31:38 all these things can be done

31:40 to make political statements,

31:42 but the ground facts

31:44 will not be so easy,

31:46 if there are free and fair elections

31:48 on 8th February,

31:50 then I think that

31:52 there will be a lot of difficulties for Noon League that day.

31:54 Okay, Muneeb,

31:58 what would you like to say on this,

32:00 secondly, one thing,

32:02 Saad Rafiq Sahab said today,

32:04 and has demanded from PTI,

32:06 I will ask you questions, you answer them.

32:08 We have also fought 3 elections without Nawaz Sharif,

32:10 sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,

32:12 even if you lose, there is no death,

32:14 you are still alive politically.

32:16 His party should fight,

32:18 they should not boycott.

32:20 Muneeb, Saad Rafi is saying

32:24 that PTI should not boycott the elections,

32:26 is this possible,

32:28 and after which

32:30 issues will PTI reach this stage,

32:32 that they are thinking of boycotting

32:34 the intra-party elections,

32:36 those challenges will be the issue,

32:38 if there is a sign of revenge,

32:40 is this not the thought,

32:42 this is just the concern of Muslim League Noon.

32:44 Look, the important factor is that

32:46 there are many issues for Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,

32:48 I agree with this,

32:50 that you cannot manage

32:52 very big things

32:54 or very big gaps,

32:56 but now we do not even know

32:58 what the face of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf

33:00 is on 8th February,

33:02 they want to have a sign of revenge,

33:04 the intra-party elections,

33:06 they have somehow managed to get it done,

33:08 the challenge has been done,

33:10 it is accepted,

33:12 the election commission

33:14 declares it as a valid election,

33:16 or not, I am not the one to decide this,

33:18 the election commission has to do it.

33:20 The second thing is that

33:22 the public's opinion,

33:24 the public's acceptance

33:26 of being with a party,

33:28 this should be the most important thing,

33:30 but I will repeat the same thing,

33:32 that in Pakistan's political history,

33:34 many people have

33:36 taken on the establishment,

33:38 and everything,

33:40 but the way Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf

33:42 achieved their status

33:44 in this whole matter,

33:46 I think that

33:48 no political party

33:50 has achieved

33:52 such a status in Pakistan.

33:54 I think that

33:56 no political party

33:58 has achieved such a status.

34:00 Now, this, for good or bad reasons,

34:02 Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf

34:04 did it with themselves,

34:06 or Imran Khan did it with himself

34:08 and his party,

34:10 or I say, with his voters.

34:12 But now the issue is that

34:14 it depends on what the position

34:16 of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf

34:18 as a political party is on 8th February.

34:20 If this is the case,

34:22 I can also say that

34:24 Ather Sahib is in England right now,

34:26 and he knows that even if I leave now,

34:28 I won't be able to reach there by noon tomorrow.

34:30 I can surely wish that,

34:32 that we sit together and have lunch.

34:34 But I can't reach there.

34:36 Similarly, Ather Sahib and I can wish

34:38 that the elections are free and fair,

34:40 and you can also wish that the elections

34:42 are free and fair as a Pakistani.

34:44 But we have nothing in our hands.

34:46 We can only pray that the elections

34:48 are free and fair.

34:50 In 2018, we also said that

34:52 the elections were free and fair,

34:54 but I don't have a watertight guarantee

34:56 that I can say that the elections

34:58 will be free and fair in 2024.

35:00 I would like to add one thing to this.

35:02 I would like to add a small thing.

35:04 Yes, yes, Ather.

35:06 The free and fair elections that

35:08 he said, and the example

35:10 he gave of Harrods,

35:12 if we have to pray,

35:14 I think when I come to Lahore,

35:16 we will go to the Dada Darbar,

35:18 eat rice and pray that the elections

35:20 are free and fair.

35:22 Absolutely right.

35:24 You understood the importance of

35:26 clarifying this.

35:28 But Muneeb, can you also tell us

35:30 what is being said for PTI,

35:32 that this election boycott

35:34 will go on this path, PTI,

35:36 because this is the party that

35:38 wanted to have elections,

35:40 but they lost two governments,

35:42 Punjab and KP.

35:44 No, it's not like that.

35:46 Imran Khan Sahib has said

35:48 on TV and probably

35:50 on your channel that

35:52 I was told that Bajwa Sahib

35:54 said that if you lose your governments,

35:56 then elections will be held,

35:58 I lost my governments.

36:00 Imran Khan Sahib's political

36:02 ideology was that whether he

36:04 was in the government or not,

36:06 he was a Sunni army chief.

36:08 So even now he is trying to

36:10 somehow improve the conditions

36:12 of the army, so that their

36:14 rahu-rasam increases.

36:16 So that can increase,

36:18 I can't say.

36:20 But I will tell you this much,

36:22 that whatever I and

36:24 Athar Sahib are saying,

36:26 there is only one important factor

36:28 and that is whether PTI

36:30 will have the baton.

36:32 If the baton,

36:34 let's assume, there is a question,

36:36 there is an equation, it does not remain.

36:38 And for PTI, that will be the biggest

36:40 setback, and when they find out

36:42 that we do not have

36:44 this baton, and we

36:46 are not able to contest

36:48 the elections on this baton,

36:50 then in that case,

36:52 PTI might say that

36:54 the baton was important for us,

36:56 we feel that we are being

36:58 betrayed, and our community

37:00 is being forced to be a victim of

37:02 state oppression, so we boycott

37:04 elections. In that case, it might happen.

37:06 For now, I feel that PTI

37:08 is very popular on the ground.

37:10 Athar, I will move this

37:14 forward, and draw a picture,

37:16 that if it happens that

37:18 the baton does not remain,

37:20 and the intraparty election

37:22 does not come, in the interest of Pakistan's

37:24 justice, then if we

37:26 minus PTI from the

37:28 general election arena,

37:30 then will these elections be

37:32 considered controversial,

37:34 will they be acceptable to the masses?

37:36 First of all, these elections

37:40 are already happening on a controversial date.

37:42 I am saying this because

37:44 these elections are not happening

37:46 within the same period,

37:48 as Muneeb Sahib pointed out earlier,

37:50 that these elections are not

37:52 happening within the same period

37:54 of time, nor are they happening

37:56 within two days. So,

37:58 their start is already controversial.

38:00 Now, the country's largest political

38:02 party, which is supported by

38:04 a sizable portion of the people,

38:06 if you eliminate them as well,

38:08 and put them aside,

38:10 will there be any justification

38:12 in the future as a result of that?

38:14 What is the process of an election?

38:16 Basically, you have to give the

38:18 public the impression that you are

38:20 a part of all this, and you are

38:22 choosing your rulers as you please.

38:24 When the majority or a large

38:26 part will think that there is

38:28 nothing right in this, then will

38:30 there be a justifiable government

38:32 or a justifiable parliament as a

38:34 result of that? Secondly, the baton

38:36 mark, I may be wrong in this,

38:38 but the baton mark does not matter

38:40 at this time. The reason being

38:42 that the flow of information

38:44 is so fast these days,

38:46 so fast, that it is not

38:48 in the hands of the media,

38:50 nor is it in the hands of any

38:52 newspaper. This is the era of

38:54 TikTok, this is the era of digital

38:56 media. If you come to the elections

38:58 on 8th and on 7th you find out that

39:00 you are not a baton, but a baton,

39:02 then the whole country will find out

39:04 what the election mark is. In the same

39:06 way, if you tell the people that

39:08 this is the election mark here,

39:10 then it does not matter. The real

39:12 thing that matters is whether

39:14 they will have the freedom to

39:16 fight the elections, will they be

39:18 allowed to fight the elections,

39:20 as many people are complaining

39:22 that they are not allowed to

39:24 hold a meeting, they do a worker

39:26 convention, then the FIR is filed.

39:28 So all these things, even if the

39:30 baton mark is used, I don't think

39:32 it will make any difference. In

39:34 fact, the number of people who

39:36 lost their freedom, the number of

39:38 people who lost their freedom,

39:40 the number of people who lost

39:42 their freedom, the number of

39:44 people who lost their freedom,

39:46 the number of people who lost

39:48 their freedom, the number of

39:50 people who lost their freedom,

39:52 the number of people who lost

39:54 their freedom, the number of

39:56 people who lost their freedom,

39:58 the number of people who lost

40:00 their freedom, the number of

40:02 people who lost their freedom,

40:04 the number of people who lost

40:06 their freedom, the number of

40:08 people who lost their freedom,

40:10 the number of people who lost

40:12 their freedom, the number of

40:14 people who lost their freedom,

40:16 the number of people who lost

40:18 their freedom, the number of

40:20 people who lost their freedom,

40:22 the number of people who lost

40:24 their freedom, the number of

40:26 people who lost their freedom,

40:28 the number of people who lost

40:30 their freedom, the number of

40:32 people who lost their freedom,

40:34 the number of people who lost

40:36 their freedom, the number of

40:38 people who lost their freedom,

40:40 the number of people who lost

40:42 their freedom, the number of

40:44 people who lost their freedom,

40:46 the number of people who lost

40:48 their freedom, the number of

40:50 people who lost their freedom,

40:52 the number of people who lost

40:54 their freedom, the number of

40:56 people who lost their freedom,

40:58 the number of people who lost

41:00 their freedom, the number of

41:02 people who lost their freedom,

41:04 the number of people who lost

41:06 their freedom, the number of

41:08 people who lost their freedom,

41:10 the number of people who lost

41:12 their freedom, the number of

41:14 people who lost their freedom,

41:16 the number of people who lost

41:18 their freedom, the number of

41:20 people who lost their freedom,

41:22 the number of people who lost

41:24 their freedom, the number of

41:26 people who lost their freedom,

41:28 the number of people who lost

41:30 their freedom, the number of

41:32 people who lost their freedom,

41:34 the number of people who lost

41:36 their freedom, the number of

41:38 people who lost their freedom,

41:40 the number of people who lost

41:42 their freedom, the number of

41:44 people who lost their freedom,

41:46 the number of people who lost

41:48 their freedom, the number of

41:50 people who lost their freedom,

41:52 the number of people who lost

41:54 their freedom, the number of

41:56 people who lost their freedom,

41:58 the number of people who lost

42:00 their freedom, the number of

42:02 people who lost their freedom,

42:04 the number of people who lost

42:06 their freedom, the number of

42:08 people who lost their freedom,

42:10 the number of people who lost

42:12 their freedom, the number of

42:14 people who lost their freedom,

42:16 the number of people who lost

42:18 their freedom, the number of

42:20 people who lost their freedom,

42:22 the number of people who lost

42:24 their freedom, the number of

42:26 people who lost their freedom,

42:28 the number of people who lost

42:30 their freedom, the number of

42:32 people who lost their freedom,

42:34 the number of people who lost

42:36 their freedom, the number of

42:38 people who lost their freedom,

42:40 the number of people who lost

42:42 their freedom, the number of

42:44 people who lost their freedom,

42:46 the number of people who lost

42:48 their freedom, the number of

42:50 people who lost their freedom,

42:52 the number of people who lost

42:54 their freedom, the number of

42:56 people who lost their freedom,

42:58 the number of people who lost

43:00 their freedom, the number of

43:02 people who lost their freedom,

43:04 the number of people who lost

43:06 their freedom, the number of

43:08 people who lost their freedom,

43:10 the number of people who lost

43:12 their freedom, the number of

43:14 people who lost their freedom,

43:16 the number of people who lost

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