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۔"Nawaz Sharif Kay Sath Ju Zulm Howa Uska Azala Horaha Hai", Abdul Qayyum
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00:00 Bismillahirrahmanirrahim, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Program Khabar with Meher Bukhari
00:04 I, Sadaf Abdul Jabbar, welcome you all.
00:06 The election is over, the elections are scheduled for 8th February.
00:09 The Election Commission and the Nigrah Government have made a very clear announcement once again.
00:14 But the political scenario is getting more and more interesting.
00:19 Especially after Nawaz Sharif's return, we are seeing the cases one by one.
00:26 Today, the Islamabad High Court has extended the term of NAB and decided to hear the Al Aziziyah reference on merit.
00:34 The court has extended the request to the court to send the Al Aziziyah reference again.
00:39 And Nawaz Sharif's party also wanted the Islamabad High Court to decide on this.
00:44 Because the case will be again trialed and the decision will be made.
00:49 And there is very little time left for the elections.
00:52 And Al Aziziyah is the case in which Nawaz Sharif has been sentenced to 7 years.
00:58 So, to participate in the elections, to be a part of the elections, to fight for the elections,
01:02 this punishment must be decided tomorrow.
01:05 Before this, there was a case of Flagship Reference, there was an Evanfield case, they have already got the merit in that.
01:11 Now, in the political scenario, we are seeing that the political parties, especially if we talk about the Jamia Ulama Islam,
01:18 they said that the month in which the elections are going to be held, those months are very cold.
01:23 And there are some areas where it is very difficult for the voter.
01:26 Voters have to leave the house and it is also a big science to take the voter out of the house on the day of the election.
01:33 It is a lot of hard work.
01:34 In this case, the Moulana also said that terrorism is a big reason why we are not able to run our election campaign in that way.
01:43 So, he has been expressing reservations.
01:46 Now, when the Election Commission has repeated it in two words,
01:50 so, has the reservations of these communities been addressed or will it be worked on now?
01:55 This is a very important question.
01:57 Along with that, the Pakistan People's Party, Muslim League Noon, we can see that the election field is increasing,
02:03 the way the Noon League is resolving the issues of political conflict,
02:07 the same Pakistan People's Party has started its election campaign.
02:10 And Bilawal Bhutto is again in the head.
02:13 But interestingly, the main target of their campaign is Nawaz Sharif,
02:18 who is being repeatedly declared as a pampered by Pakistan People's Party.
02:22 So, is it a matter of anxiety for Muslim League Noon that a community that has been in power with them for 16 months is putting a tag of pampering them?
02:31 So, do they want to go to this election with this tag or do they think that the People's Party is not much in this matter?
02:36 We will ask this to the guests who will be with us.
02:38 We will talk about the rest of the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
02:43 The intra-party elections have been challenged.
02:45 Now, obviously, when they have been challenged, their mark, the mark of the party, is in danger.
02:49 Will there be intra-party elections again?
02:51 What will happen?
02:52 All these issues have become very important for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
02:55 And the information is also coming that PTI can boycott the election.
03:00 Now, this is a very interesting situation.
03:02 In these circumstances, when the People's Party is expressing its reservations,
03:05 if PTI is not in the election, if it is not a part of the election,
03:10 then what will be the results of the election?
03:12 Will they be acceptable to everyone?
03:14 Because all the ingredients are the same, with which the election, God forbid, its result can be controversial.
03:21 So, let me introduce the guest in the program, Senator General Retired, Abdul Qayyum has joined us.
03:26 He is the senior advisor of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
03:28 Let's start with him.
03:29 Assalam-o-Alaikum, Senator.
03:31 Yes, Walaikum-o-Alaikum.
03:34 Sir, tell us, Nawaz Sharif's appeal was accepted.
03:38 Islamabad High Court will now decide on the case of Al-Aziziyah on its own merits.
03:42 So, the case that was to be taken to the court, that is, the appeal made by the Naib,
03:47 so, in your opinion, if this case would have been remanded,
03:51 if the trial would have been held again, then its decision would have come again,
03:54 so, Nawaz Sharif, by the trial again and the decision coming again,
03:58 now he is saved, now you think that this decision will be made soon,
04:02 will it be made in Islamabad High Court as compared to Ahtisaab Court?
04:05 See, this demand of Muslim League Noon is completely right-wing,
04:14 and instead of a higher court, who has this case, listening to it,
04:21 instead of remanding it and wasting more time,
04:25 of the government, lawyers, courts and clients,
04:30 so, in my opinion, this is justified, they said that you should listen to it on your own merits,
04:36 and decide on it yourself, so, this is right.
04:39 Number two, the thing is that, see, the injustices that have been committed against Nawaz Sharif,
04:46 which he was removed from his Prime Ministership,
04:50 he had 130 cases in 100 days, and decisions were made against him in a hurry,
04:56 so, if the courts are giving him justice, then this is a good thing,
05:02 everyone should be satisfied with this, I think,
05:05 so, I can assure you that the elections that you have talked about in your intro,
05:11 all the parties are agreeing that the elections will be on 8th February,
05:15 and they should be, and even today, our President of Muslim League Punjab,
05:20 Jorana Sinaullah Sahib said that we should have delayed for a day,
05:24 but what Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib is saying, he has not said at all that the elections should be delayed,
05:30 he has mentioned some difficulties, which are absolutely justified,
05:34 that is, if the elections will be held in February, then in the remote areas,
05:38 and the people who live in the snow-covered mountains, there will be problems,
05:42 he said that they will have problems.
05:44 Number two, the fear of terrorism, this is also a justified observation,
05:49 but he has not said that the elections should be stopped because of this,
05:53 this means that you will have to see how to remove these difficulties,
05:59 so, I assure you that we have to move forward,
06:02 the country is in good hands, the elections are on time,
06:05 and we also believe that everyone should get justice,
06:10 Nawaz Sharif Sahib has been wronged, he is being rectified,
06:14 and now calling him a darling or that, I think this is not right,
06:20 we are praying for the People's Party, they should make an effort,
06:24 they should come forward, but they know that the status of Pakistan Muslim League in Punjab and the country,
06:32 or the stature of Pakistan's political atmosphere today,
06:38 that is in it, that of Mian Nawaz Sharif, that is of no one else.
06:41 Senator Sahib, tell us that the other cases, the flagship case, the Evanfield case,
06:47 you have got relief from that, you have been acquitted in Evanfield,
06:50 how long can you get relief from Al-Aziziyah?
06:52 When the decision will be made on merit in Al-Aziziyah,
06:56 then the people of the Muslim League, or those who are familiar with the law,
07:01 they have no doubt that Nawaz Sharif's personal involvement is nowhere in it,
07:06 the whole report that JIT had prepared, today I was in the High Court,
07:11 and I was listening to the arguments, that JIT's lawyers were reading the papers of Mian Nawaz Sharif,
07:18 in which it was written that his involvement is nowhere in it,
07:22 so I think we leave it to the Honourable Court and the judges to do justice and give a verdict on merit.
07:29 Now the verdict that we like, we make fun of it,
07:34 when Nawaz Sharif was punished in Ujlat, he was handcuffed, he went to jail,
07:40 and he was punished for such a long time, and the judge also agreed, that was all right.
07:46 Today if the courts absolutely want to do justice and a fair trial is taking place,
07:51 and they are presenting themselves in the court, and they say that you should decide on merit,
07:56 then the courts are free, I am sure that we will accept the verdict they will make,
08:00 but we hope that Inshallah, Mian Nawaz Sharif will be a red-spotted soul,
08:05 and he will be accepted in the whole country, in the region, and on the international level.
08:11 Senator sir, tell me one more thing,
08:13 The way Mian Nawaz Sharif's Saudi Arabia, Middle Eastern countries, UAE, China, European Union,
08:19 and all these countries are related to him,
08:22 I don't have anything to do with the inhumanity of the country,
08:25 Senator sir, in the interest of a larger Pakistan, it would be better if people understand him better,
08:33 and vote for him, but only those should come forward who will get the vote,
08:36 and let me tell you one more thing, that running the government of Pakistan is not a bad idea,
08:42 I think that the people of Uddaud should not have the desire to come forward,
08:47 until you have two-thirds majority, or at least a simple majority,
08:52 Senator sir, can you hear me?
08:54 Yes, I can hear you.
08:57 Senator sir, can you tell me about the Nahli issue, that the act that you passed,
09:03 that if Nahli is completed in five years, then that Nahli will be terminated automatically,
09:08 the election act that was passed, it was amended,
09:11 so if Nahli is completed in five years, then it will be terminated automatically,
09:15 but do you think that this sword will be hanging on your head in the future,
09:19 that this issue can be challenged, because the five-member bench had decided on Nahli,
09:24 so obviously the higher bench will have to finish her status,
09:29 this is the opinion of many legal experts, do you agree with this?
09:34 No, see, agreeing with the opinion or not is a different matter,
09:40 I want to say that an act was passed, under which it was said that Nahli will be five years,
09:46 and we think that there is absolutely no doubt about her eligibility,
09:53 but if the opponents have the right to challenge her, then they should do it in the larger bench,
10:00 we hope that the courts will do it.
10:04 For whom is this amendment required?
10:08 The act that you brought, to present any legal basis,
10:14 you had to bring an amendment, to change any law.
10:17 See, neither you nor I are in a position to give a verdict,
10:23 this is also in the courts, the experts of the law,
10:27 now it has become a custom that the case is being held in the court,
10:31 and we assume something, and then we say that if it happens like this, then what will happen,
10:38 I think if someone challenges in the court, then our courts are qualified,
10:44 they are sensible people, our judges are competent,
10:48 they will see it and whatever decision they make, should be accepted by everyone.
10:52 Senator, let's talk about Maulana Sahib,
10:55 because obviously you are adjusting the seat with him,
10:58 you have been united and have good relations with him,
11:01 of Pakistan Muslim League, let's listen to what concerns he is expressing,
11:06 then I will ask you the question.
11:10 So, how important is it to address these concerns,
11:14 when he is asking, can we run the election campaign in this condition,
11:18 what impression is he trying to give, Maulana Sahib,
11:20 you keep talking, please tell us.
11:22 See, the question is not about giving an impression,
11:27 the question is that he is presenting facts,
11:30 and it is true that this season is very harsh,
11:33 and this curse of terrorism, has not been removed yet,
11:38 so in this situation, he is trying to say that running the campaign will be difficult,
11:42 and this is true, it will be difficult,
11:44 and for that, extra precautions will have to be taken,
11:47 you will have to take security measures,
11:49 and I am sure, but he did not say that the elections should not be held on time,
11:55 or that they should be delayed.
11:57 And the Noon League claims that they will get a simple majority,
12:03 and we are seeing that the People's Party is again holding a Jalsa,
12:07 and we are not seeing any such campaign after 21st October,
12:10 we met Shaud-e-Shahjad after 15 years,
12:13 I remember Nawaz Sharif Sahib used to say that we will not include Musharraf's incidents,
12:19 and he also gave a gift from Al-Khabad, which I do not want to repeat here,
12:23 they were not good, but when we met,
12:25 so is the Noon League at risk of not getting a simple majority,
12:28 is that why you are looking for supporters, for supporters?
12:33 Look, the supporters are not looking for the Noon League at all,
12:36 but the Noon League is being approached,
12:39 because in the whole of Pakistan, people who have a little political wisdom,
12:44 they think that this is the Party, and this is the leader who can easily remove Pakistan,
12:51 they are not coming in the sympathy of the Noon League,
12:54 they are coming for their own benefit,
12:56 So you do not need Chaudhary Sahib?
12:58 So you are looking for supporters,
13:01 you used to say Musharraf's incidents,
13:04 so how is this matter not included in Musharraf's incidents?
13:09 Look, you want to put words in my mouth,
13:13 as far as the Q League is concerned,
13:16 and Chaudhary Shujao Hussain,
13:18 he is a very old leader of an undisputed Pakistan,
13:22 I have also seen his father's contribution,
13:25 so if he has given the right kind of advice to his cousin Parvez Ilai,
13:32 and if Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib has come to him,
13:35 then I think we should be happy about it,
13:38 instead of there being any alarm on it,
13:40 you have seen MQM came to us,
13:42 your people of the National Party came,
13:45 Fazlur Rahman Gup Sahib is coming,
13:47 These are your words, you had a lot of complaints against them,
13:50 so what stage did those complaints go away on?
13:53 The reason for that is that he had a group of supporters,
13:57 and now Chaudhary Shujao Hussain also thinks that
14:00 if there is a leader in Pakistan,
14:02 then it is Nawaz Sharif and Muslim League Noon,
14:05 that is the reason that he wants to come,
14:08 and the leader of Muslim League Noon, Nawaz Sharif,
14:11 he always has a big heart,
14:13 and when he came to power in 2013,
14:16 you know that there was a governor of MQM in Karachi,
14:21 Irshadulabad,
14:23 so people said that our governor should be our own,
14:26 so he said no problem, let him be,
14:28 Azad Kashmir had no confidence,
14:30 so he said don't do it,
14:32 Gilgit Baltistan can change the government,
14:34 so he said no, I don't go on a rampage,
14:36 I take everyone forward,
14:38 then a national action plan was made,
14:40 in that all the civil leadership,
14:43 in which the leadership of justice,
14:46 the military leadership was brought together,
14:49 Imran Khan fell from a stage,
14:52 he went to his house to ask him,
14:55 and even today our doors are open,
14:58 we have the interest of the country in our mind,
15:01 these governments keep coming,
15:03 we have to take the country forward,
15:05 and we should not look for ifs and buts,
15:07 which is in front of a mill,
15:09 and in future we should make a mill effort,
15:12 and this is what Nawaz Sharif has said,
15:14 that we should not play our own drum,
15:16 we should take everyone forward,
15:18 and everyone should get justice,
15:20 so Insha Allah I tell you,
15:22 we should end on a positive note,
15:24 Pakistan will get out of this difficult time,
15:27 the steps of the Aburi government are also very commendable,
15:31 and the country's economy is getting stable,
15:34 the stock exchange has gone up,
15:36 the value of foreign exchange dollars have stabilized,
15:40 this is the government's strategy,
15:42 and we have taken such administrative steps,
15:46 that the situation has improved,
15:48 and the PPP has become very critical,
15:51 and they say that our exchange was not like that,
15:54 and these decisions are taken,
15:56 especially the economic decisions,
15:58 our exchange was like the foreign exchange,
16:00 and we performed better there,
16:02 and I am talking about the PPP,
16:04 and Zardari has also given a sign,
16:06 that a government will be formed,
16:08 which will not be able to get a clear majority,
16:10 it will be a united government,
16:12 and Hanif Abbasi has said that,
16:14 if we don't get a clear majority,
16:16 we will sit in the opposition,
16:18 so is this the consensus of your party,
16:20 that if you don't get a clear majority,
16:22 you will sit in the opposition?
16:24 I think we should not think,
16:26 that we got a clear majority or not,
16:28 we should think about the interests of Pakistan,
16:32 if the interests of Pakistan are,
16:34 that collectively whatever votes are received,
16:37 you unanimously choose a leader,
16:40 and talk about taking the country forward,
16:43 by getting above the parties,
16:45 I think that will be appreciable,
16:47 but we are determined that by the grace of Allah,
16:49 we will get a simple majority,
16:52 and if we have obedience,
16:54 then it will become a two-thirds majority,
16:57 and this is the only way to get the country out of trouble,
17:00 in this we will need the help of the opposition,
17:03 we will need the help of the government,
17:05 we will need the help of all the institutions,
17:07 so that Pakistan is out of trouble.
17:09 The People's Party is calling Nawaz Sharif,
17:11 a favourite,
17:12 the previous government was called selected,
17:14 how concerning is it for you,
17:16 that there should not be a tag,
17:18 and what are you doing for this?
17:20 Look, we are not worried about,
17:22 what the other party says,
17:24 you think that when,
17:26 the government of Nawaz Sharif and Muslim League,
17:28 was in Baluchistan,
17:30 he was broken and became a father,
17:32 then who was the favourite,
17:34 if in North Punjab,
17:36 all the people would have joined you,
17:40 then they would have made you,
17:42 then there would have been no problem,
17:44 it would have become a separate group,
17:46 so that is why you are doing this,
17:48 I think these statements of the People's Party,
17:50 are political statements,
17:52 at the end of the day,
17:54 the seats they get,
17:56 after that I am sure,
17:58 there will be unity,
18:00 it will be seen how to take the country forward,
18:02 they don't take it seriously,
18:04 that the opposition is saying,
18:06 that he is the favourite or not,
18:08 the people are very aware,
18:10 and they know,
18:12 what happened with Nawaz Sharif and his government,
18:14 and after the sudden removal,
18:16 how much damage it did to the economy of Pakistan,
18:18 and today,
18:20 your psychosocial aspect,
18:22 your national ethos,
18:24 has gone up and down,
18:26 so may Allah Almighty,
18:28 bring us together,
18:30 and bring the nation together,
18:32 and bring the country together,
18:34 in politics, some will be in government,
18:36 some will be in opposition,
18:38 but we should not make our political enemies,
18:40 personal enemies,
18:42 and for power,
18:44 we should not even hit below the belt,
18:46 so I hope that,
18:48 God willing, Pakistan is on the right track,
18:50 and elections will be held,
18:52 and the government that comes,
18:54 should be in full agreement,
18:56 and it will take Pakistan forward,
18:58 and after elections,
19:00 the situation will be streamlined.
19:02 Thank you so much, Senator Abdul Qayyum,
19:04 for the conversation,
19:06 and for telling us,
19:08 what is the Moon League doing politically,
19:10 and what is the legal battle,
19:12 they are facing,
19:14 and how they are moving forward.
19:16 We will take a break,
19:18 and when we come back,
19:20 we will discuss this political scenario,
19:22 with the commentators,
19:24 and see if the concerns of the Jamaat,
19:26 regarding the elections, have been removed.
19:28 Welcome back once again,
19:30 and when the election schedule is in place,
19:32 then only,
19:34 the situation will be streamlined.
19:36 The PPP is running its campaign,
19:38 and there are gatherings,
19:40 and Bilal is addressing them,
19:42 but the Muslim League,
19:44 is busy in the politics of power,
19:46 and we are not seeing their election campaign,
19:48 in that way,
19:50 and if we talk about Nabaz Sharif,
19:52 the PTI chair,
19:54 both have different issues,
19:56 and different problems,
19:58 and if the punishment for Nabaz Sharif,
20:00 in the Al Aziziya case,
20:02 is declared as a no,
20:04 then how much chance will he have,
20:06 to win the elections?
20:08 The PPP has been challenged,
20:10 and the sign of change is in danger,
20:12 and what will be the position,
20:14 of their own cases,
20:16 and will the Jamaat,
20:18 be able to get a simple majority,
20:20 or not?
20:22 There are many questions,
20:24 that we will try to answer.
20:26 We have a special guest,
20:28 Athar Kazmi,
20:30 who has joined us today.
20:32 Thank you both.
20:34 Muneeb, I will start with you,
20:36 the election commission,
20:38 and the Nigra government,
20:40 have said it again,
20:42 that it is crystal clear,
20:44 that the elections will be held on 8th February,
20:46 and Maulana Sahib,
20:48 has said that it will be a very cold,
20:50 and he has said that,
20:52 they are not able to run the campaign,
20:54 and it is very difficult to address them.
20:56 Is this a demand, or a threat?
20:58 And by the way, today is voters day,
21:00 so it is important to build trust,
21:02 and the political parties have to do that,
21:04 who are expressing their reservations.
21:06 Thank you very much.
21:08 See, the trust of voters will be built,
21:10 or encouraged,
21:12 to vote.
21:14 If they are sure that,
21:16 the candidate or the party,
21:18 will be voted for,
21:20 and will not be disenfranchised,
21:22 and the elections in the country,
21:24 will be in accordance with the law.
21:26 As far as,
21:28 Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib's concerns are concerned,
21:30 see, this is absolutely correct,
21:32 that a considerable amount of,
21:34 electables I would say,
21:36 or those people,
21:38 who want to fight the elections,
21:40 in those areas,
21:42 where there is a winter break,
21:44 even in February,
21:46 they do have concerns,
21:48 and they have addressed the relevant quarters,
21:50 which have been directed towards the Election Commission,
21:52 where you can take this matter to them.
21:54 But there is a very technical point,
21:56 which we have to see,
21:58 and that is,
22:00 is there really in Pakistan,
22:02 in the whole of Pakistan,
22:04 such a place,
22:06 such constituencies are there,
22:08 where it will be impossible for people,
22:10 to go to polling on February 8th,
22:12 due to weather,
22:14 or because of weather restrictions.
22:16 If this is the case,
22:18 then it is a genuine concern,
22:20 and this election commission,
22:22 will have to be looked into.
22:24 But if it is not so,
22:26 and there is no other incapacity,
22:28 they can go,
22:30 the roads are there,
22:32 it is not that it is snowing,
22:34 or landsliding,
22:36 if it is not so,
22:38 then elections can be held,
22:40 and polling can also be held.
22:42 See, the importance of this is more,
22:44 that no doubt all political parties are saying,
22:46 that elections should not go ahead,
22:48 and they have already gone ahead,
22:50 and illegal and illegal work has been done,
22:52 and there should not be any further delay in this.
22:54 But, keep this in mind,
22:56 that if there are really such
22:58 extenuating circumstances,
23:00 in which polling is really,
23:02 within a few circles,
23:04 we do not know which circles they are,
23:06 but if there is a real problem,
23:08 then a very big and technical point is born,
23:10 that see, until the entire house
23:12 cannot be elected,
23:14 until you cannot elect the Prime Minister,
23:16 this is not a matter of by-elections,
23:18 nor is it that if elections are being held,
23:20 and there is a fight in 4 cities,
23:22 and if he has to leave 3 cities,
23:24 then by-election will take place,
23:26 or God forbid, if there is a natural death,
23:28 or something happens,
23:30 or calamity comes,
23:32 those are other things,
23:34 but keep this in mind,
23:36 that yes, polling cannot be held in these 8 circles,
23:38 so a general election cannot be conducted,
23:40 because it will be a fruitless exercise,
23:42 so he will not be able to elect the Prime Minister,
23:44 and to elect the Prime Minister,
23:46 it is necessary that the house is complete,
23:48 barring a few other issues,
23:50 which I have mentioned.
23:52 Alright, Athar, you also shed light on this,
23:56 the question I asked Muneeb,
23:58 how important it is to address
24:00 all these issues as Moulana Sahib said,
24:02 along with that,
24:04 if we look at the People's Party election campaign,
24:06 their target is Nawaz Sharif,
24:08 they have been repeatedly taunted,
24:10 that they are being launched,
24:12 they are the largest,
24:14 how concerning a factor should it be for PMLN,
24:16 to put this tag on them,
24:18 because obviously, political parties
24:20 make a narrative, statements,
24:22 put their best foot forward,
24:24 they have to gain the trust of voters,
24:26 so do you think there should be a concern for them,
24:28 to repeat this again and again about the People's Party?
24:30 No, I don't think so, to be honest,
24:34 their statements,
24:36 where they are standing,
24:38 they have their own views,
24:40 and the People's Party,
24:42 which is targeting them,
24:44 is doing this because,
24:46 the politics of Pakistan is divided into two branches,
24:48 on one side,
24:50 there is the vote of Tariq-e-Insaf,
24:52 or the chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf,
24:54 and on the other side,
24:56 there is the vote of all political parties,
24:58 now, on the other side,
25:00 some people will say,
25:02 that it is a minority vote,
25:04 some will say, that it is a majority vote,
25:06 and the people are trying to decide,
25:08 this is something, the People's Party knows,
25:10 that the vote of Tariq-e-Insaf,
25:12 will not be in any way,
25:14 yes, to motivate our voters,
25:16 and maybe,
25:18 to get the undecided voters,
25:20 to get them to vote for us,
25:22 they are putting this allegation on the Noon League,
25:24 but the Noon League, how large it is,
25:26 or not, who knows more than the People's Party,
25:28 they are a part of their coalition,
25:30 and earlier,
25:32 Zardari Sahib,
25:34 I think,
25:36 before the elections,
25:38 he is trying to get back,
25:40 to his traditional pitch,
25:42 sorry,
25:44 on behalf of the Pakistan People's Party,
25:46 that is why,
25:48 he and his party,
25:50 are being criticized.
25:52 Muneeb, put light on this,
25:54 meeting with the 14th Shijrat of Namaz Sharif,
25:56 you think, they need support,
25:58 that is why, they went to him,
26:00 the past statements are in front of us,
26:02 and he said, we will never get them together.
26:04 See, in politics,
26:08 everything,
26:10 it is not that,
26:12 it is decided, that it has to be like this,
26:14 in politics, it is said,
26:16 it is the art of the possible,
26:18 and when the times change,
26:20 many people,
26:22 who are your arch rivals,
26:24 they become your rivals,
26:26 see, in Pakistan,
26:28 if you look at it that way,
26:30 it is not that,
26:32 Shijrat Sahib is very respectable,
26:34 his family is very respectable,
26:36 but they did not have that strength,
26:38 especially when,
26:40 Praveez Ilahi Sahib,
26:42 joined the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
26:44 and Monash Ilahi Sahib,
26:46 eventually, of course, went there,
26:48 so Pakistan, Muslim League, Kaaf,
26:50 had a setback,
26:52 because the family,
26:54 whose examples were given,
26:56 that here, there is a big strength,
26:58 now, will Pakistan,
27:00 Muslim League, Kaaf,
27:02 make that one and a half inch mosque,
27:04 and in the same way,
27:06 will it be able to move forward,
27:08 in such a situation,
27:10 will they be able to win the election,
27:12 this is a very big question,
27:14 or do they need Muslim League more,
27:16 and will they be able to,
27:18 together, compete with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
27:20 or not, this is a very big question,
27:22 because, I can tell you,
27:24 that at the moment,
27:26 there are many concerns for themselves as well,
27:28 Mian Warship Sahib,
27:30 has certainly come back,
27:32 and by his return, the voters have certainly got a boost,
27:34 and there is a revival,
27:36 of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
27:38 but there is still a lot of work to be done,
27:40 Muslim League Noon still has a very big challenge,
27:42 in front of them,
27:44 that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
27:46 despite all the problems,
27:48 as a community,
27:50 and in terms of the strength of the voters,
27:52 is still strong,
27:54 and is still standing on top of the Muslim League Noon,
27:56 yes, that is a different matter,
27:58 that in our country,
28:00 acceptance is more important than acceptance,
28:02 and it is also considered,
28:04 whatever happened in the past,
28:06 Muslim League Noon,
28:08 still in 2018,
28:10 despite being against all the state machinery,
28:12 people still contested for the Muslim League Noon ticket,
28:14 and in Punjab,
28:16 Muslim League Noon was the biggest community,
28:18 in the Punjab Assembly, in 2018,
28:20 but in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
28:22 in Imran Khan's account,
28:24 he said that the equation for them has changed,
28:26 they are more popular in the message,
28:28 as compared to PMLN,
28:30 but their acceptability
28:32 has major issues,
28:34 and I think they will remain,
28:36 because Imran Khan is still standing on the same thing,
28:38 and none of them
28:40 is ready to admit their mistakes,
28:42 and what they have done,
28:44 it is in the broad daylight,
28:46 everyone knows what they have done.
28:48 [Shahnaz] Athar,
28:50 what will you say about the question,
28:52 how are you seeing it,
28:54 and if it is going to happen,
28:56 it is the same impression,
28:58 that it will be a PDN type government,
29:00 then it is very important to decide
29:02 the economic stage,
29:04 so do you think
29:06 the Al Aziziya issue,
29:08 is the Muslim League Noon election campaign
29:10 on hold,
29:12 because they are waiting for the decision
29:14 to be made, and the punishment will be given?
29:16 [Athar] See,
29:18 the first thing is that we met
29:20 Mian from the CAF League,
29:22 this is a small part of the CAF League,
29:24 Chaudhry Shujaat is not in a position
29:26 to win a Gujarat match,
29:28 and meeting Mian,
29:30 and talking about seat adjustment,
29:32 this is a clear signal,
29:34 a clear thing,
29:36 that Mian understands
29:38 how popular we are,
29:40 their popularity is so high,
29:42 that they are going from the CAF League
29:44 to seat adjustment,
29:46 which cannot even claim
29:48 on one seat,
29:50 that this seat is confirmed,
29:52 so if they are meeting them,
29:54 then you can guess,
29:56 similarly they met the Baaf party,
29:58 met the MKM people,
30:00 so this is a kind of desperation,
30:02 and the foundation of ground realities,
30:04 that the ground realities are that
30:06 whoever says, they know that
30:08 we are not going to vote on the ground,
30:10 the ground realities are completely different,
30:12 so the more people can be brought together,
30:14 the more efforts can be made,
30:16 and we have seen this from Mian's side,
30:18 in the earlier days.
30:20 So, being accepted does not matter,
30:22 this is also part of our politics,
30:24 acceptance matters,
30:26 you think that this is our politics,
30:28 and politics revolves around it.
30:30 You can say that,
30:32 but I do not agree with this,
30:34 I think that
30:36 obviously,
30:38 the one who gets the vote,
30:40 there, you can put a difference
30:42 of 10-20,
30:44 now how can you put a difference of 10-20,
30:46 when you have so much difference
30:48 in the vote bank,
30:50 and if there are free and fair elections,
30:52 which are being claimed,
30:54 everyone is saying that there will be free and fair elections,
30:56 then it will be very difficult
30:58 to cover this gap,
31:00 and then the political statements,
31:02 now you see,
31:04 what happened in Islamabad High Court,
31:06 all the political statements
31:08 were made on a video,
31:10 a video of a judge,
31:12 today it was said that we do not want to pursue that video,
31:14 earlier in the courts,
31:16 they used to say that we have other videos,
31:18 so you show those videos,
31:20 if your innocence is being proved by that video,
31:22 then why are you detracting from it,
31:24 or retracting it,
31:26 similarly, you remember Rana Shamim's affidavit,
31:28 it was said that it was a conspiracy,
31:30 and later they went to Islamabad High Court,
31:32 and said that we are taking back that affidavit,
31:34 there is no truth in it.
31:36 So, this is the thing that
31:38 all these things can be done
31:40 to make political statements,
31:42 but the ground facts
31:44 will not be so easy,
31:46 if there are free and fair elections
31:48 on 8th February,
31:50 then I think that
31:52 there will be a lot of difficulties for Noon League that day.
31:54 Okay, Muneeb,
31:58 what would you like to say on this,
32:00 secondly, one thing,
32:02 Saad Rafiq Sahab said today,
32:04 and has demanded from PTI,
32:06 I will ask you questions, you answer them.
32:08 We have also fought 3 elections without Nawaz Sharif,
32:10 sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,
32:12 even if you lose, there is no death,
32:14 you are still alive politically.
32:16 His party should fight,
32:18 they should not boycott.
32:20 Muneeb, Saad Rafi is saying
32:24 that PTI should not boycott the elections,
32:26 is this possible,
32:28 and after which
32:30 issues will PTI reach this stage,
32:32 that they are thinking of boycotting
32:34 the intra-party elections,
32:36 those challenges will be the issue,
32:38 if there is a sign of revenge,
32:40 is this not the thought,
32:42 this is just the concern of Muslim League Noon.
32:44 Look, the important factor is that
32:46 there are many issues for Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
32:48 I agree with this,
32:50 that you cannot manage
32:52 very big things
32:54 or very big gaps,
32:56 but now we do not even know
32:58 what the face of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
33:00 is on 8th February,
33:02 they want to have a sign of revenge,
33:04 the intra-party elections,
33:06 they have somehow managed to get it done,
33:08 the challenge has been done,
33:10 it is accepted,
33:12 the election commission
33:14 declares it as a valid election,
33:16 or not, I am not the one to decide this,
33:18 the election commission has to do it.
33:20 The second thing is that
33:22 the public's opinion,
33:24 the public's acceptance
33:26 of being with a party,
33:28 this should be the most important thing,
33:30 but I will repeat the same thing,
33:32 that in Pakistan's political history,
33:34 many people have
33:36 taken on the establishment,
33:38 and everything,
33:40 but the way Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
33:42 achieved their status
33:44 in this whole matter,
33:46 I think that
33:48 no political party
33:50 has achieved
33:52 such a status in Pakistan.
33:54 I think that
33:56 no political party
33:58 has achieved such a status.
34:00 Now, this, for good or bad reasons,
34:02 Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
34:04 did it with themselves,
34:06 or Imran Khan did it with himself
34:08 and his party,
34:10 or I say, with his voters.
34:12 But now the issue is that
34:14 it depends on what the position
34:16 of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
34:18 as a political party is on 8th February.
34:20 If this is the case,
34:22 I can also say that
34:24 Ather Sahib is in England right now,
34:26 and he knows that even if I leave now,
34:28 I won't be able to reach there by noon tomorrow.
34:30 I can surely wish that,
34:32 that we sit together and have lunch.
34:34 But I can't reach there.
34:36 Similarly, Ather Sahib and I can wish
34:38 that the elections are free and fair,
34:40 and you can also wish that the elections
34:42 are free and fair as a Pakistani.
34:44 But we have nothing in our hands.
34:46 We can only pray that the elections
34:48 are free and fair.
34:50 In 2018, we also said that
34:52 the elections were free and fair,
34:54 but I don't have a watertight guarantee
34:56 that I can say that the elections
34:58 will be free and fair in 2024.
35:00 I would like to add one thing to this.
35:02 I would like to add a small thing.
35:04 Yes, yes, Ather.
35:06 The free and fair elections that
35:08 he said, and the example
35:10 he gave of Harrods,
35:12 if we have to pray,
35:14 I think when I come to Lahore,
35:16 we will go to the Dada Darbar,
35:18 eat rice and pray that the elections
35:20 are free and fair.
35:22 Absolutely right.
35:24 You understood the importance of
35:26 clarifying this.
35:28 But Muneeb, can you also tell us
35:30 what is being said for PTI,
35:32 that this election boycott
35:34 will go on this path, PTI,
35:36 because this is the party that
35:38 wanted to have elections,
35:40 but they lost two governments,
35:42 Punjab and KP.
35:44 No, it's not like that.
35:46 Imran Khan Sahib has said
35:48 on TV and probably
35:50 on your channel that
35:52 I was told that Bajwa Sahib
35:54 said that if you lose your governments,
35:56 then elections will be held,
35:58 I lost my governments.
36:00 Imran Khan Sahib's political
36:02 ideology was that whether he
36:04 was in the government or not,
36:06 he was a Sunni army chief.
36:08 So even now he is trying to
36:10 somehow improve the conditions
36:12 of the army, so that their
36:14 rahu-rasam increases.
36:16 So that can increase,
36:18 I can't say.
36:20 But I will tell you this much,
36:22 that whatever I and
36:24 Athar Sahib are saying,
36:26 there is only one important factor
36:28 and that is whether PTI
36:30 will have the baton.
36:32 If the baton,
36:34 let's assume, there is a question,
36:36 there is an equation, it does not remain.
36:38 And for PTI, that will be the biggest
36:40 setback, and when they find out
36:42 that we do not have
36:44 this baton, and we
36:46 are not able to contest
36:48 the elections on this baton,
36:50 then in that case,
36:52 PTI might say that
36:54 the baton was important for us,
36:56 we feel that we are being
36:58 betrayed, and our community
37:00 is being forced to be a victim of
37:02 state oppression, so we boycott
37:04 elections. In that case, it might happen.
37:06 For now, I feel that PTI
37:08 is very popular on the ground.
37:10 Athar, I will move this
37:14 forward, and draw a picture,
37:16 that if it happens that
37:18 the baton does not remain,
37:20 and the intraparty election
37:22 does not come, in the interest of Pakistan's
37:24 justice, then if we
37:26 minus PTI from the
37:28 general election arena,
37:30 then will these elections be
37:32 considered controversial,
37:34 will they be acceptable to the masses?
37:36 First of all, these elections
37:40 are already happening on a controversial date.
37:42 I am saying this because
37:44 these elections are not happening
37:46 within the same period,
37:48 as Muneeb Sahib pointed out earlier,
37:50 that these elections are not
37:52 happening within the same period
37:54 of time, nor are they happening
37:56 within two days. So,
37:58 their start is already controversial.
38:00 Now, the country's largest political
38:02 party, which is supported by
38:04 a sizable portion of the people,
38:06 if you eliminate them as well,
38:08 and put them aside,
38:10 will there be any justification
38:12 in the future as a result of that?
38:14 What is the process of an election?
38:16 Basically, you have to give the
38:18 public the impression that you are
38:20 a part of all this, and you are
38:22 choosing your rulers as you please.
38:24 When the majority or a large
38:26 part will think that there is
38:28 nothing right in this, then will
38:30 there be a justifiable government
38:32 or a justifiable parliament as a
38:34 result of that? Secondly, the baton
38:36 mark, I may be wrong in this,
38:38 but the baton mark does not matter
38:40 at this time. The reason being
38:42 that the flow of information
38:44 is so fast these days,
38:46 so fast, that it is not
38:48 in the hands of the media,
38:50 nor is it in the hands of any
38:52 newspaper. This is the era of
38:54 TikTok, this is the era of digital
38:56 media. If you come to the elections
38:58 on 8th and on 7th you find out that
39:00 you are not a baton, but a baton,
39:02 then the whole country will find out
39:04 what the election mark is. In the same
39:06 way, if you tell the people that
39:08 this is the election mark here,
39:10 then it does not matter. The real
39:12 thing that matters is whether
39:14 they will have the freedom to
39:16 fight the elections, will they be
39:18 allowed to fight the elections,
39:20 as many people are complaining
39:22 that they are not allowed to
39:24 hold a meeting, they do a worker
39:26 convention, then the FIR is filed.
39:28 So all these things, even if the
39:30 baton mark is used, I don't think
39:32 it will make any difference. In
39:34 fact, the number of people who
39:36 lost their freedom, the number of
39:38 people who lost their freedom,
39:40 the number of people who lost
39:42 their freedom, the number of
39:44 people who lost their freedom,
39:46 the number of people who lost
39:48 their freedom, the number of
39:50 people who lost their freedom,
39:52 the number of people who lost
39:54 their freedom, the number of
39:56 people who lost their freedom,
39:58 the number of people who lost
40:00 their freedom, the number of
40:02 people who lost their freedom,
40:04 the number of people who lost
40:06 their freedom, the number of
40:08 people who lost their freedom,
40:10 the number of people who lost
40:12 their freedom, the number of
40:14 people who lost their freedom,
40:16 the number of people who lost
40:18 their freedom, the number of
40:20 people who lost their freedom,
40:22 the number of people who lost
40:24 their freedom, the number of
40:26 people who lost their freedom,
40:28 the number of people who lost
40:30 their freedom, the number of
40:32 people who lost their freedom,
40:34 the number of people who lost
40:36 their freedom, the number of
40:38 people who lost their freedom,
40:40 the number of people who lost
40:42 their freedom, the number of
40:44 people who lost their freedom,
40:46 the number of people who lost
40:48 their freedom, the number of
40:50 people who lost their freedom,
40:52 the number of people who lost
40:54 their freedom, the number of
40:56 people who lost their freedom,
40:58 the number of people who lost
41:00 their freedom, the number of
41:02 people who lost their freedom,
41:04 the number of people who lost
41:06 their freedom, the number of
41:08 people who lost their freedom,
41:10 the number of people who lost
41:12 their freedom, the number of
41:14 people who lost their freedom,
41:16 the number of people who lost
41:18 their freedom, the number of
41:20 people who lost their freedom,
41:22 the number of people who lost
41:24 their freedom, the number of
41:26 people who lost their freedom,
41:28 the number of people who lost
41:30 their freedom, the number of
41:32 people who lost their freedom,
41:34 the number of people who lost
41:36 their freedom, the number of
41:38 people who lost their freedom,
41:40 the number of people who lost
41:42 their freedom, the number of
41:44 people who lost their freedom,
41:46 the number of people who lost
41:48 their freedom, the number of
41:50 people who lost their freedom,
41:52 the number of people who lost
41:54 their freedom, the number of
41:56 people who lost their freedom,
41:58 the number of people who lost
42:00 their freedom, the number of
42:02 people who lost their freedom,
42:04 the number of people who lost
42:06 their freedom, the number of
42:08 people who lost their freedom,
42:10 the number of people who lost
42:12 their freedom, the number of
42:14 people who lost their freedom,
42:16 the number of people who lost
42:18 their freedom, the number of
42:20 people who lost their freedom,
42:22 the number of people who lost
42:24 their freedom, the number of
42:26 people who lost their freedom,
42:28 the number of people who lost
42:30 their freedom, the number of
42:32 people who lost their freedom,
42:34 the number of people who lost
42:36 their freedom, the number of
42:38 people who lost their freedom,
42:40 the number of people who lost
42:42 their freedom, the number of
42:44 people who lost their freedom,
42:46 the number of people who lost
42:48 their freedom, the number of
42:50 people who lost their freedom,
42:52 the number of people who lost
42:54 their freedom, the number of
42:56 people who lost their freedom,
42:58 the number of people who lost
43:00 their freedom, the number of
43:02 people who lost their freedom,
43:04 the number of people who lost
43:06 their freedom, the number of
43:08 people who lost their freedom,
43:10 the number of people who lost
43:12 their freedom, the number of
43:14 people who lost their freedom,
43:16 the number of people who lost