"Riyasat Ki Zimedar Hai, Security Farham Karen...", Barrister Gohar Ali

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00:00 Is there a known threat or danger that you think that he is in danger?

00:05 We have shown him a danger when he was in the head, we have never shown him in the complex.

00:12 If today he gets bail and tomorrow he has to appear in court, how will he appear in court?

00:16 In any case, you cannot take a dangerous case in that it will not be an open trial.

00:25 If the High Court has given the direction, then he has to appear in court in any case.

00:31 So, your jail superintendent is a government employee, should he be arrested or should he be disrespected?

00:36 I am not saying that he should be disrespected, but I am saying that no superintendent has the right to say that he cannot produce for security.

00:45 He can only ask for security. He cannot be presented in one case and not in a routine.

00:52 When he gets a report from the hospital that the accused is sick, he is not eligible to go.

00:58 But today the reports that he has given, this is none of the business of the jail superintendent to say that he is in the right.

01:07 He is in the right because he is in the government.

01:10 So, when these reports came, you are saying that he should have referred to the Ministry of Interior and asked for more security.

01:17 Because we have an order that we have to take him with us.

01:22 If you say that you had kept him in the police line earlier, then if you bring him here in the police line, Islamabad,

01:27 you had taken him to the police line earlier, you had taken him to the court,

01:32 and when we were coming, you had taken all the security from us, you had taken all the cars,

01:37 you had taken all their personal security, we even had a bulletproof car, you took the premise of the court.

01:44 At that time, he was saying that there is no one.

01:47 Now what is the difference? He has been presented in court 300 times.

01:49 So, what do you think, why are you avoiding him?

01:51 He just doesn't want to see a glimpse of him that the court will come, it will have an impact on the public.

01:56 This is public perception. So, he is not able to face him.

02:00 That is why he still keeps himself in the dark that he will be affected if he does not come.

02:05 So, Mr. Shah Khawar, you are so much affected by a glimpse, the whole system, as Mr. Gohar is saying,

02:11 is it not a state responsibility to present every accused in court?

02:15 But it is absolutely necessary to present the accused.

02:20 It is also the responsibility of the administration and the court, who have the power to compel.

02:28 But one thing I will tell you, Mr. Gohar also knows, that this superintendent did not do the defiance,

02:34 he relied on the responsibility of the Islamic Capital Police, which is a security department,

02:46 to transport the prisoners from jail to court.

02:48 And they take feedback from the intelligence agencies.

02:51 And those are very authentic reports.

02:53 So, I will tell you in clear terms, I do not think that there is any political motivation involved.

03:01 This is only for the security of Mr. Khan.

03:05 You must have seen that when he used to go to the High Courts or District Courts or Courts,

03:10 he used to make a whole security fence around him.

03:14 In fact, he used to keep a shield over his head, that it is obvious that he has life security, life threats.

03:22 So, that is why he was so conscious.

03:24 I think that this is in the interest of Mr. Khan as well, that since he is in jail,

03:29 the court room in jail is very big, there is no problem in that, his family can also come there.

03:36 The order given by the court, the media people will also be allowed to come there.

03:42 That will be an open trial.

03:44 In fact, it is written in the order that any citizen who wants to make a statement,

03:49 he should be allowed to see it.

03:52 And sir, why did you not present Shah Mehmood Qureshi?

03:55 You want to add something?

03:56 See, what I wanted to say is that if you want to make a trial,

03:59 then if you want to keep Vinayu Jail, then it will be open there as well.

04:02 And he never depends on how big or small the court room is.

04:06 If you say that only family members can come, you also restrict the visit of lawyers,

04:10 you limit the time for meeting them, you are not even allowing the public to come,

04:14 then this is not an open trial.

04:16 In camera or open, the court said both words, in camera or open.

04:20 In camera proceedings will happen only when you ask.

04:23 So you do not consider this as an open trial in the hands of the jail?

04:26 No, not at all.

04:27 Will you challenge this as well, which is the decision today?

04:29 See, this court had already written in the order that if such an order can be made,

04:32 then whatever happens, you can challenge them.

04:34 Will you do it?

04:35 We will challenge this.

04:36 You are going to challenge today's decision as well.

04:38 We will definitely challenge today's decision.

04:40 The court has already said that if you want to keep venue in the jail,

04:43 that will also be open.

04:45 That will also be open, there will be the whole public there.

04:48 So where is the threat?

04:50 See, you can arrange security.

04:52 How many people will come, how many will be there, that security arrangement.

04:55 Earlier also, like he is saying that we used to come, we used to do security arrangement.

04:58 If you do not want to do security arrangement, then it is not that you say that I cannot do security arrangement.

05:02 But if you cannot do security arrangement, then you can do all the trials in the jails.

05:07 Why did you not put Mr. Shah Khawar and Mr. Qureshi in the jails?

05:10 Why did you not present them?

05:11 See, this is absolutely right.

05:13 Because Mr. Qureshi did not have any issue of life security.

05:16 It was necessary to present them.

05:18 But because they both…

05:19 So, you have opposed.

05:21 See, let me tell you.

05:22 Because both are under trial and they had to be brought together.

05:26 So, I am not giving any justification on this.

05:30 This court could have asked for them.

05:33 Because the issue of security threat was not of Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi.

05:37 But because the order has been passed and if there is any legal provision in it,

05:41 then as Mr. Gauhar is saying that he will also challenge this order.

05:46 It is absolutely his right to challenge that order.

05:49 But let me tell you one thing even now.

05:51 If Mr. Gauhar or the core committee of PTI,

05:55 if they give surety that there will be no lapse in security arrangements

06:01 and it will be put in open court,

06:05 if they give guarantee, then it can be considered.

06:08 But I think that…

06:10 See, security is always the responsibility of the state.

06:14 Let me tell you one thing.

06:15 You will remember that once when Mr. Khan had to be presented in court,

06:22 he did not go inside the courtroom.

06:25 He sat in his car and his presence was put.

06:28 Yes, I will definitely tell you that.

06:30 He was aware that he could be attacked in the court.

06:35 So, I think that they should not make it a point.

06:38 Now, because this will be an open trial,

06:40 there will be their family members, media, vocalists.

06:44 And let me tell you one more thing.

06:46 If Mr. Gauhar goes there on this date,

06:49 then the conducive environment in the courtroom,

06:53 because the last time there was a meeting, it was 4-5 hours.

06:57 Both their family members should be sitting there.

07:00 Their vocalists should be sitting there.

07:02 Usually, the meetings that are held under the jail manual,

07:05 they are made to sit in such rooms where there can be bugging devices.

07:10 There is not much secrecy in that.

07:11 So, I will say that…

07:13 I will say about that, where last time it was said that he could be attacked,

07:16 and Mr. Khan's presence was put in the car,

07:19 so it was definitely there.

07:20 That is the date of 18th March.

07:22 But see, Mr. Khan's presence on 18th March,

07:25 what security bridge was that?

07:27 That was before that.

07:29 Are you ready to give a guarantee, as Mr. Shah Khabar is saying?

07:33 See, guarantee…

07:34 I mean, you ensure then, because remember,

07:36 when you were not sending him out,

07:38 you asked Mr. Khan for a guarantee from the court that nothing will happen to him.

07:41 No, see, it is not like that.

07:43 The one who is being questioned on 18th March,

07:45 that he could have been attacked,

07:46 that's why he didn't come inside the court,

07:48 how was that?

07:49 All the security forces came there.

07:51 The more the F.C. comes,

07:53 the more responsibility that one person has.

07:55 It is the responsibility of the state, you are not taking this responsibility.

07:57 It is the responsibility of the state.

07:59 The state should provide security,

08:01 protect the fundamental rights,

08:02 and bring him there with an open trial,

08:04 and the trial should be conducted there.

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