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00:00 on that story. I'm now joined in the studio by our Europe editor Armin
00:03 Georgian. Hi Armin. We'll take a look at the impact on Europe in a minute but
00:09 first of all you know maybe you can tell us he's one but Dutch politics is
00:14 usually about coalitions. Is he going to find coalition partners? Will he be able
00:17 to form a government? Well other political forces are hinting that
00:21 they're open to working with him. The mainstream conservatives are certainly
00:27 not ruling that out but party leader Dilan Yesil Göz is saying that she
00:31 wouldn't want Wilders to be Prime Minister but perhaps she'd be okay with
00:36 some other deal where he perhaps has an important job in government but where
00:42 she can keep him in check in some way. That's certainly one possibility and
00:49 then we've also got the new Social Contract Party whose leader Pieter
00:52 Omtzigt is also not ruling out working with Geert Wilders while also saying
00:59 that any such talks would be difficult. So it's obvious that such a
01:05 right-wing coalition would be a very difficult thing to negotiate. That would
01:10 be a coalition of the VVD, the NSC and the PVV but that's not the only scenario
01:18 that there's also another coalition scenario that's been talked about of a
01:22 centrist coalition led by Frans Timmermans. So there are lots of options
01:28 at least on paper now but the actual negotiations are clearly going to be
01:33 very tricky and could last quite some time. So I mean he might not end up
01:39 leading a government but however you look at it he has won an election very
01:43 convincingly. Incidentally the European Union a spokesperson has said they
01:48 continue to count on Dutch participation but this is a bit of a trend in Europe
01:55 now. These far-right leaders doing extremely well in elections. Is there a
02:00 message Europe should be heeding there? Well what's happened is you know
02:06 the old sort of cordon sanitaire around far-right parties has dissolved
02:12 basically so there's now quite a few precedents for a right-wing far-right
02:17 coalition. In Italy the Brothers of Italy are in an alliance with the League
02:23 Party which is essentially a far-right party often thought to be one. In Finland
02:29 you've got the conservatives that are in a government with the Party of the Finns
02:34 which is also considered to be a far-right party. In Spain the right and
02:38 the far-right were only seven seats short of being able to form a majority
02:43 after the last elections in September and they actually do have some alliances
02:47 at the regional level already between the PP and Vox. So this whole thing is
02:51 is well on the way across Europe. Why is it happening? Partly because of electoral
02:56 maths. So you've got the traditional big parties you know like the sort of
03:01 mainstream conservatives and socialists in France, Spain and Germany for example.
03:05 They've seen their share of the vote decline over the years so it's been
03:09 shrinking. That means a fragmentation of the political scene so coalitions are
03:14 becoming much more necessary. And the other thing that's happened is the some
03:20 of these far-right parties they've toned down their rhetoric. So just before an
03:24 election they will go easy on the culture wars if you will. So we saw this
03:29 with Herth Wilders as well. He was suddenly not talking so much about ending
03:34 mosques and things like that which he'd previously talked about. He was trying to
03:38 pivot to more conservative voters who worried about immigration. In Slovakia we
03:43 saw the return of a populist strongman Robert Fico a few weeks ago. He also did
03:49 a similar kind of pivot but to pocketbook issues you know inflation,
03:53 cost of living away from the more culture war type things. So it's a
03:59 combination of all that which I think has led to these coalitions which
04:03 include far-right parties. But when you say a trend Angela we have to bear in
04:08 mind that it's not a completely linear process because there's one very
04:11 important counter example which just happened in Poland where after nearly
04:15 10 years in power of the Law and Justice Party we suddenly saw a surge in the
04:21 pro-european electorate with parties that could still in theory form a
04:25 coalition of the opposition pro-european coalition. They clearly had
04:33 a lot of support in the Polish election so it's not a
04:37 one-way process, a one-way direction in Europe let's say.
04:41 Okay thanks for that Armen and of course as you say could take months before
04:46 there is a government formed in the Netherlands.

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