Mehngi Bijli Se Aam Awam Ki Jaan Kab Chhootey Gi??
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00:00 you have saved so much money and you are giving it to the people.
00:07 If you had given 90 rupees to the people, how would they have survived?
00:11 Mr. Jai, you know what? I will tell you.
00:14 There is one thing about your cost structure of electricity.
00:19 You did not do it in one day, you did it in many decades.
00:25 The power plants that were installed in the 1990s or even before that,
00:30 are all part of the system as a result of which your cost structure is being defined.
00:34 And from that cost structure, your price per unit is calculated.
00:37 We have two additional issues.
00:39 You see that in winters, the demand is around 8000 MW and in summers it is 26-27000 MW.
00:47 We design the system at 27-28000 MW, so that at least this much is available.
00:53 Although our installed capacity is 40000 MW, but the effective installed capacity is around 28-29000 MW.
00:59 There should be no load shedding in May or June.
01:02 But your main load of the fan and AC is exhausted.
01:08 So, the plants are not used in winters.
01:10 You must be hearing about the capacity payment every day, but the plant is not working.
01:13 This is the basic reason for that.
01:15 This year, our capacity payment is 2.1 trillion.
01:19 So, if the electricity bill that you are getting right now,
01:28 a large portion of that is on the capacity payment.
01:32 If we don't make any electricity, we still have to pay 2.1 trillion.
01:38 So, this is a very big part of the cost structure and this roughly becomes your unit of 19 rupees.
01:43 If we don't make any electricity, the bill of 19 rupees will still come.
01:47 I am saying that this is a part of the cost structure, but the addition to that was the distribution inefficiency.
01:53 In our entire system, there is an inefficiency of 590 billion.
02:01 Now, this inefficiency, Mr. Chaudhary, if you see this inefficiency,
02:06 and if we don't reduce it, then this will eventually have to be paid to the other consumer.
02:12 Right. Mr. Rajeev Lal, I also want to ask you a question.
02:20 You said that the entire state, which you are telling about the result,
02:24 which is roughly 90 to 100 billion rupees, which has been saved,
02:28 which has been saved by whom?
02:29 This was the money of the taxpayer and you have saved it.
02:31 You have done the recoveries, whatever way you have done it, this is all praiseworthy.
02:37 But despite this, there are many states in the MEC who are not even paying their bills.
02:44 And there is a trend from the past, they make a small payment to you and then say that they will pay the rest later.
02:49 So, have you made any mechanism for their recoveries as well?
02:53 Or is it still silent in this regard?
02:56 Yes, I will say this. Sir, it is like this, that there was a very big issue in some time,
03:00 that the various departments of the provinces and federations did not pay us the bills.
03:05 One thing you should keep in mind that now we get the bill largely.
03:09 What happens is that it is delayed.
03:11 There is an issue of their budget releases, which they give after three months.
03:15 For example, the biggest institutions of the federation, which have the highest employment,
03:19 if you look at them, they pay in every case in June.
03:23 At this time, the total volume of such payments is about 50-60 billion rupees, which is the responsibility of the provinces and states.
03:30 But even in the provinces, we have a mechanism that even if they do not pay, we can get as much money from the NFC as they can.
03:38 And this mechanism is also used in the routine.
03:40 Now, in July, we had a disco bill of 10 billion rupees, so we got it from this mechanism.
03:47 So, this issue used to be a very big issue in some time, now there are reconciliation forums.
03:53 Absolutely right. Mr. Alamgir, Circular debt is a big issue.
03:58 You know that it is always in the air.
04:01 What is the solution to it in the near future?
04:04 You know that when the PMLN government came in 2013, it was cleared once.
04:08 It started accumulating again.
04:10 Now every government says that we are tied up, its accumulation is going on.
04:15 How much is it? What is the solution to it?
04:17 How long will we lose our lives from it?
04:20 Look, Circular debt is 2.3 trillion.
04:24 Now, how is Circular debt made?
04:27 There is a cost of your system and there is a revenue of it.
04:31 The shortfall of that can be fulfilled in two ways.
04:34 Either you keep money in the budget, and if you do not keep it in the budget, then it becomes your liability.
04:40 Circular debt means liability, unpaid liability.
04:43 Now, why is it accumulated with us?
04:46 Because the federal government gives tariff differential subsidies.
04:50 You must be aware that it gives tariff differential subsidies to poor consumers.
04:54 If the policy of tariff differential subsidies comes, but there is no budgetary support behind it,
04:59 then the gap will go to Circular debt.
05:03 Similarly, there are two or three such areas of the federal government,
05:06 in which our policy decisions are that there is a famous place called Azad Kashmir.
05:10 The government of Azad Kashmir collects money itself, every year,
05:13 collects money from people, but it does not give the federal government its money.
05:17 The federal government gives 2-3 rupees per unit.
05:22 It gets 5-6 billion rupees in common, but it generates 40-50 billion bills there.
05:28 It keeps the rest of the money with it and uses it for its finances.
05:31 So, they say that we have a contractual dispute.
05:34 But our cost is incurred because we are giving them electricity.
05:37 Similarly, in Karachi, we give 1100 MW electricity every year.
05:42 In Karachi, we should give money to K-Electric.
05:45 But K-Electric claims that the tariff differential subsidies that were to be kept in the budget,
05:50 and the federal government was to give them, they did not give.
05:52 So, in return, they do not give us electricity bills.
05:54 So, these three things are in it.
05:56 Apart from this, there is a FATA area, where there is no metering on domestic.
06:00 There was a policy of appeasement after integration and before that too,
06:03 that until the integration is not complete, you should not come to them.
06:09 We do not give much electricity there, nor is it spread there.
06:12 But you think there is no meter there.
06:14 So, these are the areas that add 200 billion rupees every year to the circular tax.
06:20 that's me.