The Pavilion | PAKISTAN vs ENGLAND (Post-Match) Expert Analysis | 11 Nov 2023

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The Pavilion | PAKISTAN vs ENGLAND (Post-Match) Expert Analysis | 11th November 2023 | A Sports

Match 1 : Australia vs Bangladesh

Match 2 : Pakistan vs England

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The Pavilion | PAKISTAN vs ENGLAND (Post-Match) Expert Analysis | Fakhar e Alam | Wasim Akram | Moin Khan | Misbah ul Haq | A Sports

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00:00:00 Pakistan

00:00:05 Hello, good evening and welcome to the pavilion.

00:00:08 I am Fakhr-e-Anam and you are watching A-Sports, TEN Sports and the ARY Zapp App.

00:00:12 Our continued coverage of the ICC Men's World Cup 2023.

00:00:16 And today we had a double header, two games that have gone down.

00:00:20 And it has been official that Pakistan is now out of the semifinals.

00:00:25 And New Zealand have qualified for their fourth spot of the semifinals.

00:00:30 Now with that, before we talk about all of that, I am going to bring in four very special guests that I have here in the pavilion.

00:00:35 Four former captains of Pakistan, four outstanding gentlemen who have served both the game of cricket and Pakistan really well.

00:00:41 I have got first up, a fine runner between the wicket, a great player of spin bowling, Captain Pakistan, good finisher of the game.

00:00:48 And still playing T20 cricket around the world. I have got the young dynamic Shoaib Malik.

00:00:53 Good evening, Assalam-o-Alaikum Shoaib. Good evening, Wa-Alaikum-Salaam. Assalam-o-Alaikum everyone.

00:00:57 Next up, I have got Mr. Dependable, one of those batsmen who would make sure that he would try to save the innings,

00:01:04 salvage the innings for Pakistan on many occasions during his era.

00:01:07 The most successful test captain in Pakistan's cricket history. I have got Mr. Mizwaul Haq.

00:01:11 Good evening, Assalam-o-Alaikum Mizwaul. Good evening, Wa-Alaikum-Salaam. Assalam-o-Alaikum everyone.

00:01:15 Another outstanding player for Pakistan. He kept wickets, known as the man of crisis,

00:01:22 great runner between the wickets and Captain Pakistan. So quite many victories in big tournaments.

00:01:28 I have got Mohin Khan. Good evening, Assalam-o-Alaikum Mohin.

00:01:30 Jai Wa-Alaikum-Salaam. Good evening. Assalam-o-Alaikum everyone.

00:01:33 And without a question, the cricket royalty. Not only is he a cricket royalty, he is an entertainer par excellence.

00:01:40 And we have seen that in the pavilion. He is a poet, a rapper, an actor, an artist, an artist.

00:01:46 And with us on this pavilion journey, ladies and gentlemen, the Sultan of swing and the undisputed king of all rounders.

00:01:55 And very soon to be the heavyweight boxing champion of the pavilion, I have got Wasim Akram.

00:02:01 Good evening and Assalam-o-Alaikum Wasim. Good evening, Faqir. Assalam-o-Alaikum.

00:02:04 How are you all? I hope everything is well. A little sad here today, but nonetheless.

00:02:09 Let's take a look at what happened today. Here are the match summaries of both the matches.

00:02:14 The first match was Australia vs Bangladesh. This was the match that you are seeing on the screen.

00:02:19 Bangladesh did the batting first. And what a great batting Bangladesh did.

00:02:23 They did 306 runs. They lost 8 wickets in their 50 overs.

00:02:26 But again, Zampa gave 2 wickets after giving 32 runs.

00:02:29 Then Abbott also got 2 wickets. Soinus also got a wicket.

00:02:33 However, that was a good total there if you look at how Bangladesh went about their business.

00:02:38 And they did not miss Shaqib Al Hasan in that innings.

00:02:41 You know, it's something we can talk about later.

00:02:44 In reply, Australia achieving the target in 44.4 over.

00:02:48 And Mitch Marsh, Shoaib Malik had said that a player will double century him or make him 150-160.

00:02:54 And that's what happened. Mitch Marsh scored 177. A great innings there by him.

00:02:57 But Smith also coming into the team and showing form.

00:03:00 And Warner there again, you know, another half century by him.

00:03:04 And nothing impressive from the Bangladesh bowlers.

00:03:07 Australia won this one by 8 wickets. They've already qualified for the semi-final.

00:03:11 Next match, Pakistan vs. England.

00:03:14 This morning, Babar Azam lost the toss. England decided to bat first.

00:03:19 And at the same time, Pakistan was out of the semi-final.

00:03:22 Because it was decided on the toss that there's no way Pakistan can make it to the semi-final.

00:03:25 337 for 9 is what England scored.

00:03:28 Ben Stokes there with a very good 84. A very calibrated 84 that he played for.

00:03:35 Root there with a half century as well. Bairstow also coming into the runs.

00:03:39 And Milan with an effective 31.

00:03:41 Pakistan's bowling card, the wickets are there.

00:03:44 3 for Rauf, 2 for Shaheen Shafridi and 2 for Wasim Junior.

00:03:51 But if you look at the runs column, not very impressive at all.

00:03:54 In response, Pakistan 244 bundled out yet again.

00:03:58 Once again, our team was all out in this World Cup.

00:04:01 The team couldn't play the whole overs. Salman was brought in today.

00:04:05 He did a half century. Babar Azam there, 38.

00:04:08 The captain, Rizwan also contributing.

00:04:11 And it was a surprise to see Rauf, Haris Rauf there now, contributing with the bat.

00:04:16 He's contributed a lot with the ball, but there he contributed with the bat in terms of runs.

00:04:20 So well done, Haris Rauf there.

00:04:22 And well, the bowling card for England.

00:04:24 They must be really, really happy that they're leaving this World Cup on a high note.

00:04:28 They're winning this one by another small margin of 93 runs.

00:04:33 And that's how the two matches went down.

00:04:35 Let's put the points table.

00:04:37 And here is your points table.

00:04:40 The top four are done and dusted. That's locked.

00:04:44 These are your quarter-finals, semi-finalists actually.

00:04:48 India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

00:04:53 Congratulations to all the four teams for making it to the semi-finals.

00:04:57 It's going to be a really exciting time to see that semi-final now.

00:05:00 At number five, Pakistan should be happy because they're not in the semi-finals,

00:05:05 but they have managed to hold on to their fifth position.

00:05:09 It looked like they were playing to secure this position.

00:05:13 The reason is that if Pakistan had gone out early,

00:05:16 then Afghanistan would have been on this table.

00:05:18 So Pakistan secured its position. So well done to Pakistan.

00:05:20 Afghanistan at number six.

00:05:22 And then you have the rest of the team.

00:05:24 England, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Netherlands.

00:05:26 So congratulations to the top four teams.

00:05:28 And that's your points table this evening.

00:05:30 So there you have it. The points table.

00:05:32 Had Pakistan scored less than 188, then we would have been in the points table.

00:05:35 And Afghanistan would have gone ahead.

00:05:37 What difference would that have made?

00:05:39 For the ranking sake, I think psychologically,

00:05:41 maybe some people would want to see Pakistan,

00:05:43 if they have not made it to the semi-finals, at least be somewhere there.

00:05:46 But another disappointing performance for Pakistan.

00:05:49 I think to me, what matters is either number one or two, three, four, five, six, seven.

00:05:54 It doesn't matter. Then it's all the same.

00:05:56 That's what I believed in all my life.

00:05:58 Yeah, coming back to today, I think today it was just writing on the wall.

00:06:02 Let's be direct. Let's be honest.

00:06:04 Our performance in the first time in history,

00:06:07 Pakistan has won five matches in the World Cup,

00:06:10 and has lost, which they have never lost in any World Cup before.

00:06:12 That's again, it was like I said, I'm sorry I've been too blunt.

00:06:16 It was writing on the wall from the Asia Cup onwards.

00:06:19 Everybody knew the team was struggling, fitness problems.

00:06:22 Now I don't know what the future holds for this team.

00:06:25 The boys are young, about 10-12 boys, still under 30.

00:06:29 There's nothing to worry about. They can be rectified.

00:06:32 We'll talk about it. But today's match, there's nothing much to talk.

00:06:35 England, once they won the toss, again, there was a little bit of confidence,

00:06:39 a little bit of hunger. I think it was only after the toss that we knew it was all over.

00:06:43 Pakistan can't qualify, although I knew that Pakistan won't be able to qualify.

00:06:47 But I have to say, mathematically, they might make it.

00:06:51 But yeah, there are a lot of factors behind Pakistan's poor run in this World Cup.

00:06:55 We'll discuss this in length. We have plenty of time now, but let's move on.

00:06:59 Yeah.

00:07:00 Misma, in the last 10 years, Pakistan has won only one ODI against England.

00:07:05 What's the reason? What's the problem with Pakistan against England?

00:07:09 Why is it that England have figured out our team very well?

00:07:13 It's been 10 years, it's been a decade.

00:07:15 I think that was in the 2019 World Cup, last year.

00:07:19 The one that you defeated?

00:07:21 Yeah. That was their favourite, they were the champions, they played well.

00:07:25 I think overall, it's all about the kind of cricket they are playing.

00:07:30 The most important thing is to accept everyone, as players, as management,

00:07:37 that we have failed badly. It's everyone's fault, not just one person.

00:07:42 So, until we realise this, we have to think, we are behind in skill,

00:07:49 we are behind in fitness, we are behind in preparations also.

00:07:55 Right.

00:07:56 All these things together have damaged us, I think.

00:07:59 They have brought us on stage and made us perform.

00:08:01 Not one person's fault, I think, collectively, all these things have put us on the stage

00:08:09 and made us perform. The top class bowling, which we thought would be like this,

00:08:15 why did it suddenly become like this? Why didn't we add on to it?

00:08:20 Why didn't we see good spinners before going into the World Cup?

00:08:24 In India, we were already saying that if we are doing our top performance,

00:08:31 then only we will get a standout chance, otherwise it will be difficult for us.

00:08:34 That proved right at that.

00:08:36 It's said that for any treatment, first you accept you have a problem,

00:08:40 and then the treatment starts. Whatever the treatment should be.

00:08:43 First, we should diagnose the disease, then we will treat it.

00:08:46 When we first started, we said realistically, we are saying number one,

00:08:53 but realistically, we are not playing with the top teams.

00:08:58 The problem is that in today's times, I am all for cricket experts,

00:09:03 and making content on social media. It's a hard work.

00:09:07 Well done everyone. It's a hard work.

00:09:09 And all the people who have been working in this World Cup,

00:09:12 take news channels, take anchors, take cricketers, take non-cricketers,

00:09:16 it's a hard work. So congratulations everyone, you worked very hard.

00:09:20 But you see, you said that we shouldn't worry about number one so much.

00:09:25 Then when you see social media, television channels,

00:09:30 our nation is kind of hooked on television, especially in the evening.

00:09:35 It's okay. And then, number one, sweets are being distributed,

00:09:40 it's happening. So then you all come in that phase.

00:09:44 I want to add to this, Malik.

00:09:46 The thing is, we are happy too. We got number one.

00:09:50 But deep down inside, you should know as a player, as a team,

00:09:54 that we are number one. It's not our fault that we got such positions.

00:09:59 But still, we shouldn't be in that misunderstanding.

00:10:04 That's the key word.

00:10:05 We should think that we are lacking, we have to improve.

00:10:09 If we want to compete with other teams, we have to be happy with that.

00:10:15 Absolutely. Mohit has raised a very interesting point.

00:10:18 In this World Cup, the Pakistan team's wins were either against Bangladesh,

00:10:23 or against the Netherlands, or against Sri Lanka, which was struggling a lot.

00:10:28 We got the New Zealand win against DLS.

00:10:30 No doubt, Fakhar Zaman played a blinder of an inning,

00:10:33 but it was eventually the DLS that worked in our favor.

00:10:36 So this has been the case. It looks like we are number one against weak teams,

00:10:42 but we go and beat the strong teams.

00:10:46 Fakhar, I think the other team has improved a lot.

00:10:51 And unfortunately, you were left behind in that race,

00:10:55 thinking that you are number one in the ICC,

00:10:59 and playing against those teams that are not up to your standards,

00:11:04 and you think you are number one.

00:11:06 So, it's true what Mishma said, that we are in a misunderstanding.

00:11:10 But genuinely, if you look at it, not only cricketers,

00:11:15 but the cricket board will have to do a little self-assessment.

00:11:19 And the planning of each department is related.

00:11:25 Unfortunately, we don't have any players in the back pool to replace.

00:11:31 We had a situation where Naseem Shah was out,

00:11:35 and we were all looking for someone to replace him.

00:11:39 So, I think you didn't develop any players.

00:11:42 And then, the planning you did,

00:11:44 you didn't have any bilateral series against the best teams.

00:11:50 And the biggest blunder that happened before the World Cup,

00:11:53 you pushed your team into hot weather like Sri Lanka,

00:12:00 where they were completely drained out.

00:12:02 And it's clear that Mishma is talking about fitness,

00:12:04 and that fitness is visible, but it's not visible anywhere else.

00:12:07 And in the defense of the boys, when you travel so much,

00:12:10 like they did in the Asia Cup, one match here, one match Colombo, one match Multan,

00:12:14 does it make a difference in fitness?

00:12:16 Then you don't have time.

00:12:18 Shrebi, you can tell me.

00:12:19 You don't recover, Waseem.

00:12:21 You're tired, and when you put in effort in such a situation,

00:12:24 it basically damages your body, damages your muscles.

00:12:29 The quality of your bowling, your performance, that basically goes down.

00:12:33 Your confidence also starts to affect more.

00:12:36 Look, here, Neha ball was our strength.

00:12:40 Every team has made an impact here, while bowling Neha ball.

00:12:43 We were mostly in matches, even today, 79 for none.

00:12:47 We couldn't make an impact.

00:12:49 Our spinners were not in the same form in the middle.

00:12:51 So that's the reason, throughout the World Cup,

00:12:56 when you're banking on strength, that this will do something for us,

00:13:01 if that goes down, then the rest will automatically go down.

00:13:05 Not even one of Pakistan's spinners has won 5 World Cups,

00:13:08 you've won 4, 4, 2, 2.

00:13:10 Look, Waseem, this travelling and all this,

00:13:13 in my opinion, these are excuses.

00:13:14 Fair enough, fair enough. That's why I asked you.

00:13:16 Absolutely, these are excuses.

00:13:18 Not just the drain-out, the whole world is travelling.

00:13:22 Take India's matches, their pace, the pace of the bowler,

00:13:25 didn't come down, not even in one match.

00:13:27 Not even in the swing, nothing happened.

00:13:28 So why do you think so?

00:13:29 They have been also travelling.

00:13:30 Why?

00:13:31 It's the professionalism, which is missing in our players.

00:13:33 Because how do you recover?

00:13:35 You ask, Adon won't know.

00:13:37 And the staff who are also involved,

00:13:40 even they don't know.

00:13:41 If we go back to the recent past,

00:13:43 there was no ingredient for cramps,

00:13:45 which you can get rid of from the cramps.

00:13:49 And that day, we saw in Maxwell's case,

00:13:52 they gave him such gels,

00:13:54 that's gone.

00:13:55 I think these are excuses.

00:13:57 In this, that thing, travelling doesn't matter.

00:14:02 You just have to recover.

00:14:04 You are a professional.

00:14:05 And there are athletes all over the world,

00:14:07 who know how to recover from the hard work.

00:14:12 So how do you come back?

00:14:14 If Virat makes 100 runs every day,

00:14:17 or you see Rohit Sharma in this World Cup,

00:14:19 or you see Shubhman Gill,

00:14:20 or you see his bowlers,

00:14:21 or you see the Australian players,

00:14:23 or you see Pat Cummings,

00:14:25 or you see Mitchell Stark,

00:14:27 they are all professionals.

00:14:28 If we see New Zealand,

00:14:30 we are missing professionalism.

00:14:33 Is it missing now, or was it always there?

00:14:36 It will be like this,

00:14:37 when you see a match on PSL or TV,

00:14:40 and you feed a person a performance of that match,

00:14:43 what happens is,

00:14:44 when you go into a crunch situation,

00:14:46 first of all, his nerves get strained.

00:14:49 When they get strained,

00:14:50 you start getting cramps.

00:14:52 Cramps don't happen just because you are dehydrated.

00:14:55 You get cramps from pressure too.

00:14:57 So these are the things.

00:15:00 We were talking about the team at number one.

00:15:04 We should make it a rule

00:15:06 that if any team from the world comes to us,

00:15:08 and if they have sent a team B,

00:15:10 make sure that our players from team B also play,

00:15:13 the players from development.

00:15:15 That's a very good point.

00:15:16 You should play those players,

00:15:18 so that you can get them ready.

00:15:20 Your A players are already ready.

00:15:22 Then you come back to the same thing,

00:15:24 the same thing we do like Peter and Peter.

00:15:27 Since 2018, four chairmen have been changed.

00:15:30 When the chairmen leave,

00:15:31 the entire management leaves.

00:15:33 Then they don't come back.

00:15:34 And then they have to start from scratch.

00:15:36 But look, if we talk about the chairmen,

00:15:39 the captain has been the same for three years.

00:15:41 I know, but he has to kind of,

00:15:43 I understand, you are the captain,

00:15:44 I am also there.

00:15:45 We all are there.

00:15:46 We know that you have to deal with the new chairman

00:15:48 every time it's extra stress.

00:15:50 So you select a pool of players,

00:15:52 if you have that much control.

00:15:54 Very good.

00:15:55 You know, we're going to continue this discussion.

00:15:57 It's important that we have this conversation today.

00:15:59 It's important that we have an honest conversation

00:16:01 about Pakistan's cricket today,

00:16:03 because it is yet again that Pakistan

00:16:06 has exited from the World Cup.

00:16:08 Last time Pakistan qualified for the ODI World Cup

00:16:11 semi-final was in 2011.

00:16:14 Three World Cups have passed since then,

00:16:16 and we were not able to make it to the World Cup semi-final.

00:16:19 And in 2019, we were in the same situation

00:16:22 that the team under Sir Faraz Ahmed's captaincy

00:16:25 was stuck on a net run rate in England.

00:16:28 And in 2023, the net run rate

00:16:30 has taken a very important position.

00:16:32 Now let's talk about, sorry,

00:16:34 we have a second, quick one, we'll go to break.

00:16:36 Let's talk about the bowlers not learning

00:16:38 the new ball, not doing this.

00:16:40 Look, your bowling coaches have also changed four times

00:16:42 in the last four years.

00:16:44 First, you had Azad Mahmood,

00:16:46 then you had Neel, okay, Falander,

00:16:48 then you had Sean Tate, then you had Umar Gul,

00:16:51 and now you have Mokhal.

00:16:52 So at least one coach needs three, two, three years,

00:16:55 especially a foreigner, to start off with.

00:16:57 First, let's get the names of the boys.

00:16:59 We are very good, very good point.

00:17:00 We're going to talk more about this

00:17:01 when we come back from the break.

00:17:02 Stay with us. You're watching The Pavilion,

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00:17:06 Welcome back to The Pavilion.

00:17:12 I'm Fakhr-Anam, you're watching A Sports, Sense Sports,

00:17:13 and the AYZ app, our continued coverage

00:17:15 of the ICC Men's World Cup.

00:17:17 Before we go on to the break,

00:17:18 we were talking with our panelists

00:17:20 regarding Pakistan and Pakistan's performance

00:17:22 in this World Cup.

00:17:23 Let's take a look at that.

00:17:24 First, let's take a look at today's match,

00:17:26 and then let's take a look at the performance

00:17:28 of the entire World Cup.

00:17:29 And today, I...

00:17:31 Okay, we have to take a look at everything.

00:17:33 Sir, we have to look at everything.

00:17:34 The entire committee has gathered here to look at everything.

00:17:36 Go nuts.

00:17:37 Can you stand up and tell us

00:17:38 what your batting stance is?

00:17:39 I'll make a video of you later and show you.

00:17:41 My batting stance.

00:17:42 If he stands up,

00:17:43 you'll get the reward for whatever you say.

00:17:45 You'll never get a chance.

00:17:47 If you make him stand up through tweets and X,

00:17:52 this show will go on for a year.

00:17:54 Good luck to all of you.

00:17:56 Alright, guys, focus, focus.

00:17:58 Back on to the game, back on to the game.

00:18:00 No, wait, you cannot do this.

00:18:01 That's not allowed.

00:18:03 That is not allowed.

00:18:06 Okay, alright, let's back...

00:18:08 Focus, guys, focus back on the game.

00:18:09 We're evaluating.

00:18:10 We're evaluating.

00:18:11 Let's take a look at how this match went about.

00:18:14 England batted first today.

00:18:16 Again, let me bring this to you, Wasim.

00:18:19 Where was Pakistan lagging in the bowling?

00:18:21 Because again, there was no effectiveness in power play.

00:18:24 A lot of people are asking about Haris Rauf's bowling today.

00:18:26 Good to see that they were trying to try it with the new game.

00:18:29 Yes, absolutely.

00:18:30 And it's okay.

00:18:31 In this World Cup,

00:18:34 they didn't impress anyone with the new game.

00:18:39 Haris Rauf.

00:18:40 I think he bowled 14 overs in power play.

00:18:43 He bowled 132 runs.

00:18:44 He took one wicket.

00:18:46 And he bowled power play.

00:18:48 Even today, he bowled 3 overs in power play.

00:18:50 And conceded 31 runs.

00:18:52 But that's again a learning curve for him as a bowler.

00:18:54 That's what we're talking about.

00:18:56 If Haris himself knows that he has a problem with the new ball,

00:18:59 just come back if you have a break.

00:19:01 Go play some first class cricket and get your length.

00:19:03 Try to hit the seam.

00:19:05 That's just to improve your T20 and your one-day wide cricket.

00:19:10 Pace is there, great variation, good yorker.

00:19:14 It's good to play long cricket.

00:19:16 You'll get consistent length.

00:19:18 You'll get the idea of hitting the seam.

00:19:20 And you'll get the idea of hitting the bouncer.

00:19:22 Which side should I hit the bouncer?

00:19:24 In T20, he always hits the bouncer.

00:19:26 But he has pace.

00:19:28 But his height is often left here.

00:19:31 And with pace, if you see Dikok, Mitch Marsh,

00:19:35 Rohit Sharma, Gil,

00:19:38 these players don't leave the previous game as much as they want to.

00:19:41 Let me also bring something quickly here.

00:19:43 Root was batting.

00:19:45 Root hit a reverse scoop type shot to Haris.

00:19:50 And I was watching the speed.

00:19:52 The speed gun showed the speed at 91 miles at that time.

00:19:57 And you had somebody like Root who is a great player.

00:20:01 But just going and picking that up,

00:20:03 you know, it makes you worry.

00:20:05 That's a special skill.

00:20:07 They have learned on his part.

00:20:09 No, the skill. They have learned it.

00:20:11 Mispa has learned it.

00:20:13 He doesn't have a strong area.

00:20:15 He knows what his strong area is.

00:20:17 So as a batter, you know what the need of the hour is.

00:20:20 It's not necessary that you should get a shot.

00:20:22 If you get it, that's added bonus.

00:20:24 If you can get it the way these guys are playing,

00:20:26 that will come from practice.

00:20:28 Mispa is a prime example.

00:20:30 He used to play. He used to hit the spinner outside and inside.

00:20:32 I remember him.

00:20:34 He's a great guy. People can ask him,

00:20:36 "How do you practice? What do you do?"

00:20:38 It's not that difficult.

00:20:40 You're absolutely right.

00:20:42 But I'll go back to Haris.

00:20:44 Throughout the World Cup, we saw that Haris struggled.

00:20:48 Whenever he bowled in the power play,

00:20:50 his confidence level went down.

00:20:52 His team suffered a loss.

00:20:54 If you want to get a new bowler in the World Cup,

00:20:58 why didn't you get him to bowl before?

00:21:00 You mean, when did you start?

00:21:02 He should be ready.

00:21:04 Why are you experimenting?

00:21:06 Because your team selection wasn't good.

00:21:08 Because you had a new bowler.

00:21:10 He was injured.

00:21:12 In the backup,

00:21:14 your team didn't have a new bowler.

00:21:16 Now you have to basically do a makeshift arrangement.

00:21:20 Even Waseem came,

00:21:22 and you didn't get him to bowl.

00:21:24 He's playing. Haris is playing.

00:21:26 Now what's your problem?

00:21:28 You have to bowl a non-regular bowler.

00:21:30 He's just playing a non-regular bowler.

00:21:32 Just to fill in that gap.

00:21:34 The world is damaging the new bowler.

00:21:36 They're outing other teams.

00:21:38 What are we doing?

00:21:40 How can we get 10 more?

00:21:42 Someone should do it for us.

00:21:44 Whenever we brought our main bowler,

00:21:46 he struggled.

00:21:48 I think this is what you were seeing.

00:21:50 This is the problem.

00:21:52 We said, "It'll be fine. It'll be fine."

00:21:54 And in a crunch situation,

00:21:56 in the World Cup,

00:21:58 the situation was out of control.

00:22:00 Shoaib, let's talk about the crunch situation.

00:22:02 Let's stay on this match.

00:22:04 Because we're going to go back to the rest of the games.

00:22:06 Today,

00:22:08 we saw that

00:22:10 the spin department didn't have the strength.

00:22:12 And we were talking about this

00:22:14 before the World Cup.

00:22:16 So, the spinners...

00:22:18 Shahdaab was there again today,

00:22:20 bowling. It was good to see him back in the team.

00:22:22 But what's the issue?

00:22:24 Why didn't we get that

00:22:26 sting of the spinners?

00:22:28 You know,

00:22:30 people are scared of the spinners.

00:22:32 Look, the spinners...

00:22:34 If we talk about Shahdaab,

00:22:36 he's been out of form.

00:22:38 He had an injury

00:22:40 during the Big Bash.

00:22:42 So, it's not like he didn't perform.

00:22:44 He did perform.

00:22:46 And he did win games for Pakistan

00:22:48 with his bowling.

00:22:50 But you didn't have a backup.

00:22:52 You prepared him.

00:22:54 If a player is a batter, a bowler,

00:22:56 or a spinner,

00:22:58 if he struggles,

00:23:00 you should have a backup plan.

00:23:02 You didn't prepare a backup.

00:23:04 It was the same in pace bowling.

00:23:06 Now, it depends on

00:23:08 if you can do a 20-overs

00:23:10 with Shahdaab,

00:23:12 Iftikhar, and Salman Ali Agha.

00:23:14 And if you do a good job,

00:23:16 then it's okay.

00:23:18 Even now, his ball is falling

00:23:20 a little outside of the rim.

00:23:22 You mean, it should be in the middle?

00:23:24 Yes, in the middle.

00:23:26 It should be in the stumps.

00:23:28 Or, your leg break and googly.

00:23:30 I'm not able to turn.

00:23:32 I'm not able to control.

00:23:34 The ball is falling full length.

00:23:36 Look, Mohin bhai,

00:23:38 you go to spin a wrist spinner

00:23:40 when the ball is falling

00:23:42 where it's supposed to.

00:23:44 He's thinking

00:23:46 that his ball should fall on the spot.

00:23:48 He's not thinking about doing a googly,

00:23:50 or a flipper, or a leg spin.

00:23:52 It's not falling on the spot.

00:23:54 And look,

00:23:56 this ball was also falling

00:23:58 a little ahead.

00:24:00 The catch was a little off.

00:24:02 The ball hit the boundary line.

00:24:04 The fielder should judge

00:24:06 how far the boundary line is.

00:24:08 And one more thing,

00:24:10 you know your bowler is out of form.

00:24:12 You're bowling to him

00:24:14 in front of a set-batter.

00:24:16 As a captain,

00:24:18 if your bowler is struggling,

00:24:20 you'll bring him in

00:24:22 when there are at least two or one new batter.

00:24:24 So that he'll take some time

00:24:26 to get into form.

00:24:28 If you had these resources,

00:24:30 then you'd have a lot of problems

00:24:32 in your leadership.

00:24:34 You'd need smartness in your leadership.

00:24:36 That was also missing.

00:24:38 So, you have less resources,

00:24:40 less street smartness.

00:24:42 How will you compete against the best teams?

00:24:44 That's why, look,

00:24:46 we win against small teams.

00:24:48 That's the reason.

00:24:50 And they should be rectified.

00:24:52 And they should be rectified and worked on.

00:24:54 This is not the end of the world.

00:24:56 But, it's very important to work on it.

00:24:58 And putting it on the right track

00:25:00 is the most important.

00:25:02 You four experts have

00:25:04 emphasized this again and again

00:25:06 that time is very important.

00:25:08 The competition is tough.

00:25:10 The competition is tough when there's less time.

00:25:12 Because next year,

00:25:14 there's the T20 World Cup.

00:25:16 Then there's the Champions Trophy.

00:25:18 Six months, seven months.

00:25:20 Then there's the Champions Trophy

00:25:22 and then the host.

00:25:24 There's one more thing

00:25:26 that Wasim Bhai said before the break

00:25:28 that the bowling coaches have changed.

00:25:30 So, you can't work with one person.

00:25:32 We see this on TV.

00:25:34 When you go to the domestic circuit,

00:25:36 you'll see the same problem

00:25:38 that if a region,

00:25:40 a district,

00:25:42 or any divisional system,

00:25:44 because they keep changing,

00:25:46 the same coach doesn't stay

00:25:48 with the same team.

00:25:50 That's why the problem is lower.

00:25:52 If you fix that,

00:25:54 the problem will be better.

00:25:56 And the same coaches you're putting

00:25:58 in your domestic circuit,

00:26:00 they should be with the same

00:26:02 Pakistan team,

00:26:04 the same A teams,

00:26:06 the same U19s.

00:26:08 If we're developing our players,

00:26:10 if we're making a good formation,

00:26:12 then it should be for the coaches.

00:26:14 So, you're taking your coaches with you.

00:26:16 Whoever the chairman is,

00:26:18 the last few who have gone,

00:26:20 who have put Mickey or Skitty,

00:26:22 just think.

00:26:24 We'll talk about this, Wasim.

00:26:26 We're going to take a break here.

00:26:28 When we come back, we're going to pick it up

00:26:30 right from where Wasim just mentioned

00:26:32 about the coaches and especially Mickey Arthur.

00:26:34 Stay with us.

00:26:36 Welcome back to The Fifth Million.

00:26:38 You're watching Sports 10 Sports

00:26:40 and the AYZ App. With me in the pavilion,

00:26:42 I've got Shoaib Malik, Miss Fahimah Moin Khan

00:26:44 and Wasim Akram. Before we go on break,

00:26:46 Wasim, you brought up the question

00:26:48 or rather the name of Mickey Arthur.

00:26:50 A few moments ago,

00:26:52 Mickey Arthur had a live press conference

00:26:54 on the ground.

00:26:56 You know, on and off

00:26:58 in the World Cup, there have been

00:27:00 different press conferences of Mickey Arthur.

00:27:02 One time, he said, "Dil Dil Pakistan"

00:27:04 was not played. The second time, he said,

00:27:06 "Dil Dil Pakistan" is a national team event.

00:27:08 The third time, he said, "We'll do something

00:27:10 on the net run rate. We'll meet in the

00:27:12 semifinals from India." Every time,

00:27:14 he comes and when we lost the last time,

00:27:16 he said, "No, it happened this way

00:27:18 and that way and I didn't even know."

00:27:20 You know, so it's just he keeps changing

00:27:22 these statements. I want to share something.

00:27:24 Can someone explain to him the example

00:27:26 of Punjabi that you don't give a** to kids

00:27:28 who are illiterate?

00:27:30 Good one. But I'm going to bring something

00:27:32 interesting to you. I want to know,

00:27:34 read these stats out if you don't mind.

00:27:36 Yeah, yeah, sure.

00:27:38 Recent coaches.

00:27:40 2021.

00:27:42 Sri Lanka.

00:27:44 World Cup.

00:27:46 2021.

00:27:50 Lincoln Premier League.

00:27:52 Dambola Aura.

00:27:54 Mickey Arthur.

00:27:56 LPL.

00:27:58 Last number.

00:28:00 2023.

00:28:02 Derbyshire.

00:28:04 Derbyshire.

00:28:06 Derbyshire.

00:28:08 County Championship.

00:28:10 Division 2.

00:28:12 Division 2.

00:28:14 Division 2.

00:28:16 And now in 2023,

00:28:18 they have beaten Pakistan

00:28:20 in the World Cup.

00:28:22 Four consecutive defeats

00:28:24 under their coaching.

00:28:26 And today, they lost their fifth match

00:28:28 and are out of the semi-finals.

00:28:30 After such a spectacular performance,

00:28:32 how did the Pakistan Cricket Board

00:28:34 set the criteria for such a successful coach?

00:28:36 The chairman before him,

00:28:38 he was very adamant.

00:28:40 He said, "I want him.

00:28:42 If he's not available,

00:28:44 why do I need him? Who will ask him?"

00:28:46 Now tell me, is this a directed

00:28:48 Pakistan Cricket team or

00:28:50 Pakistan Cricket? Who's the director?

00:28:52 Can someone explain it to me?

00:28:54 I don't even understand the position. He's not the coach.

00:28:56 He's the director. The coach is someone else.

00:28:58 But every time, Mickey Arthur comes to answer

00:29:00 in every press conference.

00:29:02 Mickey Arthur decides everything.

00:29:04 So I don't even understand the coach.

00:29:06 It's also very, very strange.

00:29:08 I've been saying this for years, even decades.

00:29:10 If you like a foreign coach,

00:29:12 then keep him. But,

00:29:14 it's a job and he's getting paid handsomely.

00:29:16 Handsomely?

00:29:18 So, the opportunity you get in any job

00:29:20 in the corporate world,

00:29:22 I don't know,

00:29:24 keep it that way. You get two months off a year.

00:29:26 You can go now or

00:29:28 take a month's leave or go for two weeks.

00:29:30 But it's not like the team is over

00:29:32 and you go from there. The tour starts.

00:29:34 So, you come.

00:29:36 I have a question.

00:29:38 I'm asking this to Misma.

00:29:40 Please ask Misma.

00:29:42 If you

00:29:44 bring a foreign coach,

00:29:46 what happens next?

00:29:48 You tell him to bring his team.

00:29:50 In a team,

00:29:52 they say, bring a physio,

00:29:54 bring a bowling coach,

00:29:56 bring a batting coach.

00:29:58 These are the things they call a team.

00:30:00 If you want a foreign coach,

00:30:02 you tell him to bring his entire team.

00:30:04 But,

00:30:06 he will work in the circuit below us.

00:30:08 I will set everything.

00:30:10 Because,

00:30:12 they need to coach.

00:30:14 They have to talk to someone in the evening.

00:30:16 That's why they gather a gang.

00:30:18 So, if you want

00:30:20 and there's no solution,

00:30:22 then you should tell him to fix

00:30:24 the whole system below us.

00:30:26 So, that he can get a message.

00:30:28 How will he fix it?

00:30:30 Mohin, I want to ask you something.

00:30:32 The matches are over.

00:30:34 Pakistan's team will be on a plane.

00:30:36 Will Mickey Arthur and the rest

00:30:38 come back to Pakistan?

00:30:40 They should come.

00:30:42 They should come.

00:30:44 You are with the PCB.

00:30:46 Will they come back?

00:30:48 Will they come here and answer

00:30:50 the inquiry committee?

00:30:52 Will they have accountability?

00:30:54 I had the last coordination

00:30:56 with the PCB before coming here.

00:30:58 I don't know what happened.

00:31:00 They think they can

00:31:02 do anything after watching you on the show.

00:31:04 The employee who employed him,

00:31:06 he should be asked

00:31:08 what vision did he have?

00:31:10 What was the criteria

00:31:12 of taking him as

00:31:14 head coach or director of cricket?

00:31:16 I am baffled.

00:31:18 It's not possible,

00:31:20 that they can't make a team like this.

00:31:22 So, this is not the solution.

00:31:24 The solution is your own coaches.

00:31:26 Give them responsibility.

00:31:28 Keep them for long run.

00:31:30 Run any system for long run.

00:31:32 Bring your own people

00:31:34 from Pakistan team.

00:31:36 So that there is no communication problem.

00:31:38 Direct message should come.

00:31:40 If you are working with a youngster,

00:31:42 when it is coming step by step,

00:31:44 under 19, 18,

00:31:46 first class, Pakistan,

00:31:48 the message is the same.

00:31:50 We saw the press conference

00:31:52 of Mickey Arthur during the break.

00:31:54 He said, it's a big difference from Naseem Shah.

00:31:56 India's number one all-rounder,

00:31:58 world's top player, Hrithik Pandya,

00:32:00 is injured. Is it a big difference? No.

00:32:02 Nokia, it didn't come on this tour.

00:32:04 One of the biggest bowlers in the world.

00:32:06 Is it a big difference? No. This is called backup.

00:32:08 And again, I am baffled by this.

00:32:10 Look at Williamson.

00:32:12 Whether he is playing or not,

00:32:14 doesn't matter.

00:32:16 His main bowler is not him, it's Matt Henry.

00:32:18 He went to New Zealand.

00:32:20 He was doing the same thing as Naseem Shah.

00:32:22 He was injured in the World Cup.

00:32:24 But they still have qualified for the semi-final.

00:32:26 We look for excuses.

00:32:28 There is no solution.

00:32:30 So how can, now,

00:32:32 obviously when they come back,

00:32:34 whatever happens, we don't know.

00:32:36 I hope whatever happens, it's good for the team,

00:32:38 for Pakistan Cricket.

00:32:40 You were telling, my friend was telling,

00:32:42 this country is one sport nation.

00:32:44 Kind of. We are one sport nation.

00:32:46 Correct. Cricket is the sport here.

00:32:48 Hockey, squash, just disappear.

00:32:50 And in that also,

00:32:52 and they play 12 countries in the world,

00:32:54 in the World Cup, there are 10.

00:32:56 There are 10, right?

00:32:58 We are coming 6th or 7th.

00:33:00 So, that shows

00:33:02 that we don't have one sport country,

00:33:04 we don't have one sport.

00:33:06 Everyone wants it.

00:33:08 Make me. Make me.

00:33:10 Take me. Take me.

00:33:12 And I am going to say something, maybe a little off topic.

00:33:14 But it's not only the Pakistan Cricket Board

00:33:16 where this problem is.

00:33:18 This is the problem in the Pakistan's

00:33:20 Football Federation.

00:33:22 Where FIFA did the same thing

00:33:24 that the ICC did with the

00:33:26 Lankan Cricket Board,

00:33:28 that they banned it.

00:33:30 FIFA banned the football authority.

00:33:32 Then, I will take you further.

00:33:34 Our Hockey Federation also

00:33:36 has similar situations. Beautiful.

00:33:38 It's worth seeing.

00:33:40 In squash, there is a little bit of

00:33:42 a jumble that a few of our boys

00:33:44 have won the juniors.

00:33:46 It's self-created.

00:33:48 Then, let me take you to the Pakistan Sports Board.

00:33:50 Look at the amount of medals

00:33:52 that we have picked up in the Asia Games

00:33:54 or the other games.

00:33:56 Gazillions.

00:33:58 I know you are sarcastically speaking,

00:34:00 yes, gazillions.

00:34:02 But, unfortunately,

00:34:04 the whole system is

00:34:06 like this.

00:34:08 The sports board also has elections.

00:34:10 The head of the board.

00:34:12 The people who have to vote

00:34:14 have to sit there.

00:34:16 They plant them.

00:34:18 They say, "You have to vote for me.

00:34:20 I will release the funds."

00:34:22 It's a very simple thing.

00:34:24 It's such an easy accountability

00:34:26 that you are taking the team

00:34:28 to the Asian Games.

00:34:30 I want to see the medal count.

00:34:32 Last year, we won so many medals.

00:34:34 We won two, three. This time, I want 10 medals.

00:34:36 You should have told them four years ago

00:34:38 that it's only four years.

00:34:40 I want the results.

00:34:42 Some harsh language here, maybe,

00:34:44 but it's extremely shameful

00:34:46 and embarrassing how sports

00:34:48 are being run in Pakistan.

00:34:50 Now, cricket is heading the same way.

00:34:52 Again, I am baffled

00:34:54 when I look at Mickey Arthur's

00:34:56 recent performance.

00:34:58 In 2021, Sri Lanka's cricket team

00:35:00 has been released from the T20 World Cup

00:35:02 in the first round as a coach.

00:35:04 In 2022, Dambulla Aura,

00:35:06 the team from the Sri Lankan Premier League,

00:35:08 was the last to come under his coaching.

00:35:10 In 2023, the same year,

00:35:12 the team from Derbyshire

00:35:14 was unable to win a single match

00:35:16 under the coaching of Division 2.

00:35:18 And, Alhamdulillah, we have handed

00:35:20 over our national team to them

00:35:22 as our cricket director.

00:35:24 They will decide what will happen to the team.

00:35:26 And we don't even know

00:35:28 that when the team returns,

00:35:30 will the coaching staff of our foreigners

00:35:32 return to Pakistan with them

00:35:34 and go to the cricket board headquarters in Lahore

00:35:36 and answer the questions

00:35:38 that we have asked them.

00:35:40 And the problems that we identified

00:35:42 and many of our viewers

00:35:44 have said that they have seen

00:35:46 many problems,

00:35:48 so they have to fix them.

00:35:50 So, if they don't come back,

00:35:52 will they fix them on Zoom?

00:35:54 Too many questions.

00:35:56 Right now, it's time for a break.

00:35:58 We'll see you on the other side.

00:36:00 Welcome back to The Pavilion.

00:36:02 You're watching Airsports and Sports

00:36:04 in the AYZ app.

00:36:06 I'm your host, Ahmed Shafaq,

00:36:08 Mohit Khan and Wasim Akram.

00:36:10 Before the break, we were talking

00:36:12 about Mickey Arthur and his coaching staff

00:36:14 and accountability.

00:36:16 I wanted to give a message

00:36:18 to our senior generation.

00:36:20 Our country's seniors

00:36:22 have come to the PCB

00:36:24 twice.

00:36:26 Don't you feel like

00:36:28 beating them once?

00:36:30 Don't you feel like beating them once?

00:36:32 Young generation, 50+, 55+ till 60.

00:36:34 They're coming back again and again

00:36:36 at the same place.

00:36:38 I want to know.

00:36:40 There's no money in there.

00:36:42 It's an ordinary job.

00:36:44 It's got to do with attention.

00:36:46 That's it.

00:36:48 Some of them are still working

00:36:50 very hard to get in again.

00:36:52 Some of them are still working

00:36:54 very hard to get in again.

00:36:56 They have no connection with cricket.

00:36:58 Then they want to make

00:37:00 all cricketing decisions.

00:37:02 It's like that.

00:37:04 You make decisions

00:37:06 and then you try to

00:37:08 prove them.

00:37:10 At the end of the day,

00:37:12 your cricket suffers.

00:37:14 I think we should look at

00:37:16 how to handle this.

00:37:18 It's not like you make

00:37:20 cricketing decisions

00:37:22 and then everybody

00:37:24 has to suffer.

00:37:26 I've said this before.

00:37:28 We all have to

00:37:30 think about this.

00:37:32 Cricketers and the nation

00:37:34 have to think about this.

00:37:36 Our coaches play the final

00:37:38 semi-final.

00:37:40 We're not happy with that.

00:37:42 Then we're out

00:37:44 in the first round.

00:37:46 It's just very...

00:37:48 Shoaib, you took

00:37:50 an initiative to get

00:37:52 Pakistan Sports Awards

00:37:54 at one point and stage.

00:37:56 You supported all sports

00:37:58 players who were ignored

00:38:00 and didn't get any news

00:38:02 about them.

00:38:04 You gathered them all

00:38:06 on one platform.

00:38:08 It was a powerful platform.

00:38:10 I was there at the first

00:38:12 awards in Karachi.

00:38:14 I was very happy to see that.

00:38:16 I was elated.

00:38:18 You were there as well.

00:38:20 I was there as well.

00:38:22 What happened?

00:38:24 There was a huge rush.

00:38:26 It was a massive, great

00:38:28 idea from

00:38:30 Shoaib and his team

00:38:32 to give awards

00:38:34 to our sports

00:38:36 ladies.

00:38:38 To give awards

00:38:40 to them.

00:38:42 I sat down at the

00:38:44 Government House.

00:38:46 There were a lot of people.

00:38:48 I sat down.

00:38:50 There was a man.

00:38:52 He was from the Government House.

00:38:54 He was there.

00:38:56 He picked me up in 15 minutes.

00:38:58 I asked him where he was.

00:39:00 He said, "Unfortunately,

00:39:02 the people from the Government

00:39:04 House, especially the

00:39:06 protocol people,

00:39:08 they get emotional

00:39:10 and don't realize

00:39:12 that the people who

00:39:14 are being ignored

00:39:16 and ignored by the national

00:39:18 icons, they are all

00:39:20 being ignored.

00:39:22 There are a lot of challenges in making that happen, Shoaib.

00:39:24 Sorry, Waseem bhai, if this happened to you,

00:39:26 please message me.

00:39:28 No, it wasn't your fault.

00:39:30 It was just the people of the Government House.

00:39:32 We were also

00:39:34 talking about the Government House protocol.

00:39:36 My manager,

00:39:38 Ameem,

00:39:40 we are not working together

00:39:42 anymore.

00:39:44 Your ex-manager?

00:39:46 Yes, my ex-manager Ameem.

00:39:48 He said, "Why can't we

00:39:50 give recognition to other athletes

00:39:52 as well, which is not

00:39:54 related to cricket?" Because in our country,

00:39:56 cricket is seen a lot.

00:39:58 Waseem bhai also said that.

00:40:00 So, the goal was to give recognition

00:40:02 to athletes from

00:40:04 Pakistan. And along with that,

00:40:06 we really worked hard. We got

00:40:08 a couple of sponsors as well.

00:40:10 The agenda was to get recognition

00:40:12 in our country

00:40:14 for other sports other than cricket.

00:40:16 Plus, they should be given

00:40:18 recognition.

00:40:20 We also arranged money for them.

00:40:22 We got sponsors as well.

00:40:24 Thanks to those sponsors,

00:40:26 they understood this.

00:40:28 But the hurdle that came in between was

00:40:30 that NOC

00:40:32 started to interfere.

00:40:34 NOC is the sports board.

00:40:36 Even for players to receive

00:40:38 awards? Exactly.

00:40:40 Exactly, to attend anything.

00:40:42 They are under

00:40:44 Pakistan Sports Board.

00:40:46 They are under the contract.

00:40:48 We had no idea

00:40:50 that such a thing happens.

00:40:52 When we found out,

00:40:54 the athletes said, "No, we can't

00:40:56 come. You'll have to take NOC

00:40:58 from the sports board."

00:41:00 I contacted

00:41:02 the people who were there at that time.

00:41:04 They took us around

00:41:06 a lot. Of course.

00:41:08 Because they don't want recognition

00:41:10 from our athletes. We went around a lot.

00:41:12 I have a lot of patience.

00:41:14 But not that much.

00:41:16 So I backed off.

00:41:18 I thought,

00:41:20 I have run a lot, I have sponsors,

00:41:22 I have everything.

00:41:24 Let's do it.

00:41:26 Finally, I got it.

00:41:28 I had to approach a little.

00:41:30 I got it.

00:41:32 I got NOC.

00:41:34 But the athletes were told, "No,

00:41:36 you won't go. You won't attend."

00:41:38 What a shameful thing.

00:41:40 "You won't attend. NOC came because

00:41:42 you approached.

00:41:44 But the rest of the people,

00:41:46 they were okay with it.

00:41:48 We are all like this.

00:41:50 We are suppressed from some angle.

00:41:52 Some people are suppressed,

00:41:54 some come out and say, "Do whatever you want."

00:41:56 I'm sorry to say, but if the sports board

00:41:58 was doing this, that first they were not giving

00:42:00 NOC, then they gave NOC, then they called

00:42:02 and said, "You won't attend the award."

00:42:04 Do you know why they wanted it?

00:42:06 Because they were not able to digest

00:42:08 this thing. Because they themselves are

00:42:10 not able to get an event where they can

00:42:12 recognize their athletes, give them

00:42:14 awards and do something financial

00:42:16 with them. So they got this insecurity

00:42:18 that all the sports board people

00:42:20 that someone is coming from outside and

00:42:22 getting such a big award and we will

00:42:24 look very small and disgusting.

00:42:26 Shame on all of you that are there.

00:42:28 Very, very truly shameful.

00:42:30 I swear, Fakhar bhai, that after those awards,

00:42:32 Alhamdulillah, those awards were there.

00:42:34 You guys were there.

00:42:36 Okay, they got recognition,

00:42:38 the athletes got recognition, they got money.

00:42:40 That's what I'm saying.

00:42:42 And that money went from my pocket

00:42:44 despite the sponsors.

00:42:46 It went from my ex-manager's pocket.

00:42:48 But the goal was that at least

00:42:50 this thing should be started here.

00:42:52 That sports should be promoted.

00:42:54 Then what happened?

00:42:56 Nothing happened. It happened only once.

00:42:58 Well tried, buddy.

00:43:00 Good try. Appreciate that.

00:43:02 But very, very disappointed

00:43:04 with the people who were handling all of this.

00:43:06 If you can't do something better,

00:43:08 then don't put obstacles in the way

00:43:10 of others.

00:43:12 Shahid Ashmi has been to India.

00:43:14 He's been bringing us some great stories

00:43:16 from India throughout his trip for this World Cup.

00:43:18 And today, we have with him

00:43:20 Sourav Ganguly.

00:43:22 He has said some great things. Let's listen.

00:43:24 50+ average

00:43:26 winning ratio in ODIs.

00:43:28 One of the most successful test captains

00:43:30 of India, Sourav Ganguly.

00:43:32 Thank you.

00:43:34 My best wishes to all the viewers

00:43:36 of Pakistan.

00:43:38 Whenever I have any contact with Pakistan

00:43:40 like media or when I play,

00:43:42 I feel very good.

00:43:44 I still remember the journey of 2003

00:43:46 and 2004.

00:43:48 What a tour!

00:43:50 We went for 3 tests and 5 ODIs.

00:43:52 It was a great journey.

00:43:54 I still remember that he's still with me.

00:43:56 Wasim bhai, Misbah, Shoaib

00:43:58 and Mohin Khan.

00:44:00 Mohin Khan has become so old. His hair has turned white.

00:44:02 Mohin, dye your hair a little.

00:44:04 It will look good like us.

00:44:06 I have given my best wishes to Wasim bhai.

00:44:08 I feel very good that he's at home.

00:44:10 Because it felt like

00:44:12 he was skating on his feet.

00:44:14 Sometimes Delhi, sometimes Bombay,

00:44:16 sometimes England, sometimes Pakistan, sometimes South Africa.

00:44:18 Thank God he's spending time with his family.

00:44:20 His kids have grown up.

00:44:22 I see his son's photo

00:44:24 on Instagram.

00:44:26 He's more handsome than him.

00:44:28 I see his son's photo.

00:44:30 I feel very good.

00:44:32 I follow his show.

00:44:34 I like the way Wasim bhai scolds

00:44:36 Pakistan players.

00:44:38 I feel very happy

00:44:40 to talk to you all.

00:44:42 India's recent success

00:44:44 and you being the president of BCCI

00:44:46 has been a great time.

00:44:48 Is it down to IPL

00:44:50 or is there more money in the system?

00:44:52 No, not just IPL.

00:44:54 IPL alone

00:44:56 can't turn it around.

00:44:58 I believe that

00:45:00 quality is achieved in 4-5 days.

00:45:02 If you play more T20 cricket,

00:45:04 you'll get mediocrity.

00:45:06 I always say, play T20.

00:45:08 Make money with T20.

00:45:10 But if you want to make players, you'll have to play for a long time.

00:45:12 You need players who

00:45:14 score 25-30 over in a day like Wasim bhai.

00:45:16 Fast in new ball, fast in old ball.

00:45:18 Players don't make players with 4 overs.

00:45:20 So, I think not just IPL,

00:45:22 but the whole infrastructure is very good.

00:45:24 There are so many matches, so many players.

00:45:26 There is money in Indian cricket.

00:45:28 We are lucky.

00:45:30 We are fortunate that

00:45:32 I have seen that during the 3 years of being the president of the board,

00:45:34 there was no need to open a tender.

00:45:36 So many people come and give.

00:45:38 So, that is one thing.

00:45:40 The best thing is that

00:45:42 money is used in the right direction.

00:45:44 It is used on the players.

00:45:46 There has been a pay rise in first-class cricket.

00:45:48 There are a lot of matches

00:45:50 in first-class cricket.

00:45:52 Seasons start, end in September.

00:45:54 The season starts in March.

00:45:56 After that, IPL goes on till May.

00:45:58 So, a first-class player

00:46:00 plays cricket from September to May.

00:46:02 And in every format, T20, 50 overs,

00:46:04 4-day, 5-day, everyone plays.

00:46:06 So, I think for this system,

00:46:08 this team has been made so good.

00:46:10 And one thing you said

00:46:14 is absolutely right.

00:46:16 There is security in the players.

00:46:18 If they play, their lives will be saved.

00:46:20 This is one thing in India.

00:46:22 There is a lot of talent.

00:46:24 I keep listening, watching,

00:46:26 watching the team.

00:46:28 There is a need for a few adjustments.

00:46:30 But there is a lot of talent.

00:46:32 The team that has Shaheen Shah Afridi,

00:46:34 the team that has your

00:46:36 batsman Rizwan Babar,

00:46:38 the imam, all the players.

00:46:40 When you see,

00:46:42 it seems that, you know,

00:46:44 because I have grown up,

00:46:46 Saeed Anwar, Wazim Akram,

00:46:48 Yusuf Yohana, Eunice, Hinzi Bhai.

00:46:50 So, they are so slow.

00:46:52 But when they played fast bowling,

00:46:54 it seemed that the ball was slow.

00:46:56 So, they were such big players.

00:46:58 I have seen all this in the players.

00:47:00 So, Pakistan cricket,

00:47:02 according to me, is still strong.

00:47:04 There are a lot of players.

00:47:06 If you make a few adjustments,

00:47:08 it will be as strong as India.

00:47:10 Thank you so much, Shahid bhai.

00:47:12 Well, firstly, truly honoured

00:47:14 that Saurav Ganguly watches our show.

00:47:16 The great man.

00:47:18 I wish you the same.

00:47:20 Thank you so much that you follow

00:47:22 Pakistan cricket and Pavilion.

00:47:24 And one of the things he said

00:47:26 about the key,

00:47:28 he said that, "System is the key."

00:47:30 His system starts in September

00:47:32 and ends in May.

00:47:34 And he is a cricketer of every format.

00:47:36 Yes, he is a cricketer of every format.

00:47:38 This is only in BCCI.

00:47:40 His club cricket,

00:47:42 his state leagues,

00:47:44 state away, they are different.

00:47:46 And he said another great thing,

00:47:48 that Mohin Khan looks very old

00:47:50 in the show.

00:47:52 He corrected the mistakes.

00:47:54 He gave a big compliment.

00:47:56 Do you remember?

00:47:58 It's a good thing.

00:48:00 Congratulations to you

00:48:02 that he follows your program.

00:48:04 Not mine, but our program.

00:48:06 It's truly ours.

00:48:08 And one more thing that is important,

00:48:10 that we are talking about throughout

00:48:12 the program, that T20 leagues are

00:48:14 good, but if you want to make a player,

00:48:16 then it will be made in 4 days or 5 days.

00:48:18 Skills will not be made in 4 overs.

00:48:20 Unless you play long cricket,

00:48:22 play less matches,

00:48:24 skill will not develop.

00:48:26 September, October, November,

00:48:28 December, January, February,

00:48:30 March, April.

00:48:32 So you have May.

00:48:34 This cricket is for 9 months.

00:48:36 And then May, June, July.

00:48:38 Then his domestic league.

00:48:40 No, no, then IPL comes.

00:48:42 Then Anarkali, then Maharashtra league.

00:48:44 Then Pune league.

00:48:46 There are big leagues in that.

00:48:48 I have heard that all the big players

00:48:50 they all go and play

00:48:52 the domestic cricket.

00:48:54 Yeah, yeah, that's what he said.

00:48:56 That was the most important thing.

00:48:58 He says that the cricketers we have

00:49:00 have security.

00:49:02 Here, the one who is touching Pakistan,

00:49:04 if he gets injured,

00:49:06 we leave him.

00:49:08 He says that the player

00:49:10 who is below Pakistan has security.

00:49:12 There is a lot of pay raise.

00:49:14 You know that if you play cricket,

00:49:16 your future will be made.

00:49:18 It's not that you have to play for India.

00:49:20 Even if you are not playing for India,

00:49:22 even if you are playing first class,

00:49:24 you don't have any issue in your life

00:49:26 that you have to do some other work for your living.

00:49:28 So I think in that very short interview,

00:49:30 he has just said a lot of things

00:49:32 that are missing.

00:49:34 He is a very sensible man, very very clever,

00:49:36 very bright sort of Ganguly.

00:49:38 I have played with him for 2-3 years at KKR.

00:49:40 I had the opportunity and

00:49:42 a very bright cricketing mind too.

00:49:44 Alright, with that we are going to take a break here on The Pavilion.

00:49:46 When we come back, there is more on the other side.

00:49:48 Stay with us.

00:49:50 Welcome back to The Pavilion. I am Fakhran.

00:49:54 You are watching Sports and Sports in the AYSAP app.

00:49:56 Our continued coverage of the ICC Men's World Cup.

00:49:58 We were talking about Pakistan cricket.

00:50:00 Again, because today Pakistan lost to England.

00:50:02 Again, it was a 90+ runs

00:50:04 defeat for Pakistan.

00:50:06 The batting looked again not settled

00:50:08 or you know,

00:50:10 just not up to the mark.

00:50:12 And with that,

00:50:14 we are trying to do an introspect here

00:50:16 as to how we can look at

00:50:18 solutions or possible solutions.

00:50:20 Wasim, if I was to ask you this,

00:50:22 we are always criticizing,

00:50:24 this is a problem, this is a problem, this is a problem.

00:50:26 And by the way, this is a very strange thing,

00:50:28 since we are doing this pavilion,

00:50:30 it's been 3 years since we are doing the 3rd World Cup.

00:50:32 We talk about the same things, we come back to the same things.

00:50:34 As much as we lose, we get back to the same things.

00:50:36 But let's talk about solutions.

00:50:38 If I was to ask you, Wasim Akram,

00:50:40 give me 3 or 4 solid solution points

00:50:42 that immediately need to be done for Pakistan.

00:50:44 Look, there is no quick fix.

00:50:46 I am sorry to break your bubble,

00:50:48 but there is no quick fix.

00:50:50 Obviously, we have to invest in new players.

00:50:52 Shaheen's tours can be done straight away.

00:50:54 Shaheen's and 19's

00:50:56 can be organized now.

00:50:58 Maybe in a couple of months,

00:51:00 Saim Ayub is almost ready.

00:51:02 Faisal Akram, Sufian,

00:51:04 our China players,

00:51:06 like Misbah says, call the NCA,

00:51:08 train them, make them strong,

00:51:10 look after them.

00:51:12 Then Nihsan Ullah is injured.

00:51:14 He is not fit yet.

00:51:16 Take care of him.

00:51:18 Amir Jamal, who is an all-rounder,

00:51:20 he is young, he has got pace.

00:51:22 He is a little wayward,

00:51:24 but he can learn again.

00:51:26 Invest in him.

00:51:28 Tayyab Tahir has scored 100 in Shaheen,

00:51:30 he has won Pakistan,

00:51:32 he plays spin well, he is a good fielder.

00:51:34 We have Ibrahim Ahmed.

00:51:36 These boys are there.

00:51:38 Now it's up to the selection committee/captain.

00:51:40 Ali Zaryab, who we spoke about yesterday,

00:51:42 Zaryab gave the under-19s.

00:51:44 These are the guys, they are the big guys.

00:51:46 These are the professionals who are in the PCB.

00:51:48 They will know everything.

00:51:50 It's not rocket science.

00:51:52 Misbah will have ideas,

00:51:54 Shoaib will have some ideas on how to improve.

00:51:56 But unfortunately, there is no quick fix.

00:51:58 No quick fix.

00:52:00 Again, I bring the same question to you, Misbah.

00:52:02 3-4 things that you can tell us

00:52:04 that are important to do.

00:52:06 Solution to the problem.

00:52:08 Look, the problem

00:52:10 that is in hand right now,

00:52:12 we don't have a spin.

00:52:14 We don't have a red ball or a white ball spinner.

00:52:16 We don't have wicket-taking.

00:52:18 We don't have a new-ball bowler.

00:52:20 We have Naseem Shah,

00:52:22 Shaheen,

00:52:24 and then we don't have any.

00:52:26 After that, we talk about batting

00:52:28 that the team is going in

00:52:30 cricket, international cricket,

00:52:32 that kind of batsmen.

00:52:34 There are some, but we have to find some more.

00:52:36 This is the quick fix that I talked about.

00:52:38 You will have to find, but you have to make.

00:52:40 You have to make.

00:52:42 Your domestic or people coming from the structure below us,

00:52:44 who you see have potential,

00:52:46 now to make them an international-level product,

00:52:48 where will you have to work?

00:52:50 You will have to do that

00:52:52 in NCA.

00:52:54 NCA.

00:52:56 National Cricket Academy.

00:52:58 Shaheen's.

00:53:00 You will have to work very quickly for that.

00:53:02 There are four-day bowlers.

00:53:04 What skills do we have to develop for them?

00:53:06 You say that the domestic players

00:53:08 come from us and compete

00:53:10 directly in international cricket.

00:53:12 Our domestic standard

00:53:14 is not that much.

00:53:16 In the long run,

00:53:18 we will have to take that structure there.

00:53:20 So we will have to match it.

00:53:22 For now, we can do this,

00:53:24 that we will have to take those players

00:53:26 to that level.

00:53:28 We will have to put in extra effort.

00:53:30 We will have to do a specialized camp.

00:53:32 And we will have to prepare the players

00:53:34 for international cricket.

00:53:36 I want to ask you something.

00:53:38 One thing that we should learn

00:53:40 from Afghanistan and New Zealand,

00:53:42 both have developed two good teams

00:53:44 from a small pool of players.

00:53:46 They don't have a big first-class structure

00:53:48 like India's first-class structure.

00:53:50 We have a first-class structure

00:53:52 that is not standard.

00:53:54 Can't we take 40-50 strong players

00:53:56 and put them in the NCA?

00:53:58 And then we can develop

00:54:00 all kinds of facilities for them.

00:54:02 I have discussed this with you

00:54:04 many times.

00:54:06 This is the quick fix we have.

00:54:08 We know what fitness

00:54:10 is required at the international level.

00:54:12 What kind of nutrition is required.

00:54:14 What skills are required.

00:54:16 We have good coaches there.

00:54:18 We will try to take them to that level.

00:54:20 Mohit, for you,

00:54:22 what would be your solution points?

00:54:24 What are the things that need to be done?

00:54:26 First of all,

00:54:28 the selection committee

00:54:30 has a big responsibility.

00:54:32 There is a very important tour coming up.

00:54:34 We are talking about youngsters.

00:54:36 The top performers of domestic cricket,

00:54:38 simply select them.

00:54:40 Because if you don't

00:54:42 select from your domestic cricket,

00:54:44 it means that you don't

00:54:46 support your domestic cricket.

00:54:48 You don't trust your system.

00:54:50 Select the top players from there.

00:54:52 The three-four names that we have selected,

00:54:54 they are good. Already they are performing.

00:54:56 Like Abrar is with the team.

00:54:58 My question is,

00:55:00 based on your answer,

00:55:02 it is true that the boys have been picked

00:55:04 from domestic cricket. You are right.

00:55:06 Domestic cricket should matter.

00:55:08 But Australia has the first test match on 14th December.

00:55:10 That too on the world's fastest pitch.

00:55:12 And that's Perth.

00:55:14 We don't have to

00:55:16 look for the victories

00:55:18 or any good performances right now.

00:55:20 For another at least one year.

00:55:22 At least.

00:55:24 If we put the nation in a position

00:55:26 where we will win

00:55:28 and do this and that,

00:55:30 then you can develop the boys

00:55:32 quickly.

00:55:34 But it will take time

00:55:36 for them to mature.

00:55:38 We will consistently try.

00:55:40 Your point has come.

00:55:42 Which way you want to give us?

00:55:44 When you have a house,

00:55:46 you renovate it

00:55:48 and sell it in the market.

00:55:50 Then it doesn't sell

00:55:52 at the price of the new house.

00:55:54 So this is the Pakistan team.

00:55:56 If you want to fix it quickly,

00:55:58 make a pool of players.

00:56:00 There are three formats.

00:56:02 Write in front of it

00:56:04 that these are our players.

00:56:06 This is for this format.

00:56:08 This is for this format.

00:56:10 There will be some who can play all three.

00:56:12 Very few will be able to play all three.

00:56:14 So you can make a pool of players.

00:56:16 The most important thing

00:56:18 is to give an example.

00:56:20 Renovated house

00:56:22 sells below the new house.

00:56:24 You need to strengthen the system

00:56:26 at the grassroots level.

00:56:28 In which your school,

00:56:30 colleges, club cricket

00:56:32 and your system

00:56:34 will be a domestic circuit.

00:56:36 In that, the players

00:56:38 will have to be strengthened.

00:56:40 But the priority

00:56:42 should be one.

00:56:44 This is our benchmark for fitness testing.

00:56:46 It will be done at this time.

00:56:48 The team that passes

00:56:50 will be selected.

00:56:52 Because

00:56:54 consistency comes only then.

00:56:56 Consistency, you see anywhere in the world.

00:56:58 There will be many players

00:57:00 in our Pakistan team

00:57:02 who can make a big 100

00:57:04 when they do 50 overs of fielding.

00:57:06 There are many questions.

00:57:08 Many questions.

00:57:10 - We just found out

00:57:12 that Faisal Akram

00:57:14 has not been picked in the first class.

00:57:16 How will we take this talent forward?

00:57:18 - Sufian Mukeem is injured.

00:57:20 - We are talking about Amit Jamal.

00:57:22 He is batting at number 9.

00:57:24 - I am playing with you all.

00:57:26 I have come to your captaincy.

00:57:28 And the cricketers of the 90s

00:57:30 I have played with them a lot.

00:57:32 They are very strong cricketers.

00:57:34 I always keep them

00:57:36 on top because

00:57:38 their eyes are very good.

00:57:40 And they don't look at this.

00:57:42 They look at one thing.

00:57:44 Yes, he was sent to do fielding.

00:57:46 Did he go or not?

00:57:48 They used to see how brave he was.

00:57:50 Did he go to bat at any number?

00:57:52 Two set batters are batting at him.

00:57:54 He is calling.

00:57:56 Did he bowl or not?

00:57:58 These things matter a lot

00:58:00 to go ahead.

00:58:02 - I will tell you.

00:58:04 Cricket was like this.

00:58:06 You said that you didn't keep

00:58:08 the under 19s in the first class.

00:58:10 I played Pakistan under 19

00:58:12 in Karachi for 4 days.

00:58:14 It was a first class match.

00:58:16 I took a night flight.

00:58:18 There was a divisional system in Gujranwala.

00:58:20 I went to play a first class match.

00:58:22 I didn't get a place in that team.

00:58:24 I played in Pakistan under 19.

00:58:26 The purpose of this talk is that

00:58:28 our structure was very strong at that time.

00:58:30 When a Pakistan under 19

00:58:32 player who was a performance day

00:58:34 player didn't get a place in the division team

00:58:36 he didn't get a place.

00:58:38 It was a system.

00:58:40 It was a system.

00:58:42 It was a quick fix.

00:58:44 Pakistan team had a pool of players.

00:58:46 Our grass root level was very important.

00:58:48 Malik has also said

00:58:50 that his standard has also improved.

00:58:52 In club cricket,

00:58:54 you can't wear fast and spicy.

00:58:56 You have such facilities.

00:58:58 How will you develop a bowler?

00:59:00 How will you develop a batsman?

00:59:02 We have seen this.

00:59:04 We have seen that the level of club cricket

00:59:06 has not remained the same as it was earlier.

00:59:08 First class has also deteriorated.

00:59:10 One more thing I think we can add over here is

00:59:12 if you want to make a political appointment

00:59:14 as chairman, then that chairman

00:59:16 should not have any say

00:59:18 in the cricketing matters of the Pakistan cricket board.

00:59:20 He can be an honorary figure.

00:59:22 He can attend the ceremony

00:59:24 or VIP.

00:59:26 He can do other things.

00:59:28 But he should be on the side of cricket.

00:59:30 He should be briefed.

00:59:32 His powers should be

00:59:34 completely curtailed.

00:59:36 A chairman should be an honorary figurehead.

00:59:38 If he is not a cricketer,

00:59:40 he should have no say in the cricketing matters

00:59:42 whatsoever.

00:59:44 With that, we are going to take a break.

00:59:46 There should be a cricket committee

00:59:48 which should have cricketers.

00:59:50 Yes, I agree with that.

00:59:52 If a chairman is honorary

00:59:54 figurehead, he should have no say in the cricket matters.

00:59:56 He should go and cut the fita.

00:59:58 He should go and sit on the sofa

01:00:00 of the World Cup match

01:00:02 with the chairman of the other cricket board.

01:00:04 He should take pictures and show that he is well received.

01:00:06 He should say that he has done a great party for him.

01:00:08 He should fulfill all his desires.

01:00:10 He should leave cricket.

01:00:12 With that, we are going to take a break.

01:00:14 Welcome back to The Pavilion. I am Fakhr-e-Alam.

01:00:20 You are watching Sports and Sports and the AYZ app.

01:00:22 This is the discussion on the ICC Cricket World Cup

01:00:24 and the Pakistan cricket.

01:00:26 Alright, Mohin, what's the way forward for Pakistan?

01:00:28 Through Wagah border.

01:00:30 We were discussing this for the past two hours.

01:00:32 This is the way forward.

01:00:34 Actually, that's a good answer.

01:00:36 It is.

01:00:38 But Wagah border, I think they are going to take a flight

01:00:40 from where they are. I think it's going to be Emirates.

01:00:42 He meant that we have been discussing this for the past two hours.

01:00:44 This is the way forward for Pakistan.

01:00:46 There is no fixed way.

01:00:48 Alright, folks. With that, we are going to take a break now.

01:00:50 It's time for your favorite segment.

01:00:52 #AskThePavilion

01:00:54 Send us your questions, comments, and impressions

01:00:56 with #AskThePavilion.

01:00:58 We will share it on The Pavilion. Stay with us.

01:01:00 Welcome back to The Pavilion.

01:01:06 You are watching Sports and Sports and the AYZ app.

01:01:08 In The Pavilion with me, I have got Shoaib Malik,

01:01:10 Miss Paul Haque, Mohin Khan, and the great Maseem Akram.

01:01:12 It's time for your favorite segment.

01:01:14 #AskThePavilion

01:01:16 Folks, I have to admit.

01:01:18 It's such a wonderful thing to see

01:01:20 that we receive messages

01:01:22 of both love,

01:01:24 affection, and questions

01:01:26 from all over the world.

01:01:28 We are truly grateful for that.

01:01:30 It's been a team work and we really appreciate it.

01:01:32 But what came as a very big surprise to us

01:01:34 is that

01:01:36 a great journalist from our neighboring country, India,

01:01:38 Mr. Vikrant Gupta,

01:01:40 he also sent us questions

01:01:42 on #AskThePavilion.

01:01:44 Let's bring the questions on your screen.

01:01:46 Here are the questions.

01:01:48 The first question is from

01:01:50 Vikrant Gupta.

01:01:52 My question for Maseem Akram is

01:01:54 Is it fair to blame only the captain

01:01:56 when you are leading fast bowler picks

01:01:58 just three wickets

01:02:00 with the new ball in nine games?

01:02:02 And the second question is

01:02:04 What's more disappointing for you?

01:02:06 Barber's batting

01:02:08 or captaincy in this World Cup?

01:02:10 And how are the two

01:02:12 interlinked?

01:02:14 Fan of E3, superb show buddy.

01:02:16 Thank you Vikrant, really appreciate that.

01:02:18 It's a pleasure to have these questions from you.

01:02:20 Maseem, I leave it with you, sir.

01:02:22 Hi Vikrant, how are you? Good to hear from you, buddy.

01:02:24 I hope all is well.

01:02:26 The first question was about

01:02:28 that you should blame the barber

01:02:30 when you are leading fast bowler picks

01:02:32 just three wickets with the new ball in nine games.

01:02:34 I know.

01:02:36 So, it's not just about the captain.

01:02:38 The captain didn't play cricket alone.

01:02:40 He made mistakes in captaining

01:02:42 and he must have made mistakes in the India Cup.

01:02:44 But it's not only one captain.

01:02:46 It's the fault of the whole system.

01:02:48 You can't blame one captain for every mistake.

01:02:50 It's the fault of the whole system

01:02:52 that's been happening for the past year.

01:02:54 The boys don't know who is the coach,

01:02:56 who is not, who is coming, who is going.

01:02:58 You know, it's everybody's fault.

01:03:00 There's no point blaming one guy, unfortunately.

01:03:02 And second was?

01:03:04 And the second question was

01:03:06 What's more disappointing for you?

01:03:08 Barber's captaincy or his batting?

01:03:10 Barber is our star player.

01:03:12 When he scores, the whole of Pakistan is happy.

01:03:14 We are happy. We feel proud

01:03:16 that what a player he is.

01:03:18 So, his captaincy has affected his performance.

01:03:20 That stress has been seen.

01:03:22 It's been seen in the Asia Cup.

01:03:24 It's been seen in this as well.

01:03:26 So, I think as a captain, what Barber has to learn

01:03:28 is how to...

01:03:30 The pressure will come from the captain.

01:03:32 But once he's on the field

01:03:34 as a batter,

01:03:36 he should just focus there

01:03:38 on how to get runs.

01:03:40 I suppose it's easier said than done.

01:03:42 These batters can tell you more in detail

01:03:44 how difficult it is

01:03:46 to differentiate between these two.

01:03:48 I have a question here.

01:03:50 A lot of people

01:03:52 they linked

01:03:54 his batting with his captaincy.

01:03:56 Leadership skill.

01:03:58 The last few events

01:04:00 that took place

01:04:02 were not as big as the World Cup.

01:04:04 No.

01:04:06 So, has his

01:04:08 captaincy been exposed

01:04:10 at a bigger platform?

01:04:12 He's been in captaincy for the last

01:04:14 three years.

01:04:16 On such a big platform where the world's

01:04:18 best teams and their best

01:04:20 players have come

01:04:22 to compete.

01:04:24 So,

01:04:26 wasn't he

01:04:28 ready for this?

01:04:30 To have a captaincy on a big platform?

01:04:32 Maybe that's why his batting has been affected.

01:04:34 No, when?

01:04:36 He's been doing it on a big platform.

01:04:38 He's done it in the last two T20s.

01:04:40 50 over World Cup.

01:04:42 I think the question that he asked

01:04:44 obviously being a fan of Pakistan cricket

01:04:46 and being Babar's fan,

01:04:48 his batting,

01:04:50 his performance as a batter,

01:04:52 we were expecting

01:04:54 Babar to be among the first

01:04:56 two or three players.

01:04:58 He couldn't do that in India.

01:05:00 As far as captaincy is concerned,

01:05:02 it's absolutely right.

01:05:04 All your resources are

01:05:06 truthless.

01:05:08 If your premier fast bowler

01:05:10 is taking three wickets from the ball,

01:05:12 your spinners

01:05:14 aren't performing well,

01:05:16 your batters aren't doing well,

01:05:18 then it's not only Babar's blame.

01:05:20 But when it comes to leadership,

01:05:22 Malik, that's

01:05:24 something which everybody has to

01:05:26 take that blame.

01:05:28 The team management,

01:05:30 the committee,

01:05:32 your coaches, plus Babar.

01:05:34 You're the one who

01:05:36 has kept the resources.

01:05:38 You backed them.

01:05:40 The backup wasn't ready.

01:05:42 You didn't prepare the last players.

01:05:44 You banked on the

01:05:46 out-of-form players.

01:05:48 That blame is right.

01:05:50 You had to take the team

01:05:52 to the next level.

01:05:54 The people involved

01:05:56 were responsible for that.

01:05:58 They took the team to the next level.

01:06:00 A team of 15-18 players.

01:06:02 That is your responsibility.

01:06:04 At the end of the day, you're backing them.

01:06:06 It's not like they didn't perform.

01:06:08 It's their responsibility.

01:06:10 But as a leader,

01:06:12 you have to take it.

01:06:14 You've been leading for three years.

01:06:16 If you've been doing it for six months,

01:06:18 you won't understand.

01:06:20 Leadership skills aren't just about

01:06:22 how you fight the team on the ground.

01:06:24 Leadership skills also include

01:06:26 what you do when your key players

01:06:28 get injured.

01:06:30 Leadership skills also include

01:06:32 these things.

01:06:34 The biggest thing in leadership

01:06:36 is sacrifice.

01:06:38 You should be ready to sacrifice.

01:06:40 That's a very important thing.

01:06:42 If you're not performing,

01:06:44 if you're not being taught,

01:06:46 if you're under unnecessary pressure

01:06:48 and you're pretending

01:06:50 that you're doing well,

01:06:52 and you're under even more pressure,

01:06:54 you're not doing well.

01:06:56 There are many examples in the world.

01:06:58 Sachin Tendulkar left his captaincy.

01:07:00 Virat Kohli, a top player,

01:07:02 left his captaincy.

01:07:04 He struggled for a long time.

01:07:06 After three years, he started performing.

01:07:08 There is no harm.

01:07:10 As long as his batting is concerned,

01:07:12 he's a wonderful batsman.

01:07:14 There's no single argument about it.

01:07:16 It goes back to the great example

01:07:18 of Virat Kohli.

01:07:20 It just says a lot.

01:07:22 I think we could rest...

01:07:24 I want to say something.

01:07:26 I said this a while ago.

01:07:28 People take it as

01:07:30 I'm against him.

01:07:32 Apparently, you and I

01:07:34 are against our captain.

01:07:36 You're sitting at home

01:07:38 and talking nonsense.

01:07:40 I said it then.

01:07:42 I want to say it again.

01:07:44 Babar, if he leaves his captaincy,

01:07:46 he's a great player.

01:07:48 He's a great player.

01:07:50 If he leaves his captaincy

01:07:52 and plays as a player,

01:07:54 he can do wonders

01:07:56 for himself and for the team

01:07:58 as well, for Pakistan.

01:08:00 That's the goal.

01:08:02 It's not that we're against him

01:08:04 and tell him to leave.

01:08:06 It's not like that.

01:08:08 Actually, we're worried

01:08:10 that if Babar is removed

01:08:12 from the captaincy,

01:08:14 who will replace him?

01:08:16 But we're sure that

01:08:18 he'll get more opportunities.

01:08:20 We're sure that the nation

01:08:22 we're from won't

01:08:24 remove him from the captaincy.

01:08:26 He'll be removed from the team.

01:08:28 He doesn't deserve that.

01:08:30 He's used a great word.

01:08:32 Sacrifice. As a leader.

01:08:34 What can sacrifice be

01:08:36 in cricket as a leader?

01:08:38 If you're the best batter

01:08:40 in our team,

01:08:42 if someone is struggling

01:08:44 as a team,

01:08:46 sacrifice yourself in that number.

01:08:48 For instance,

01:08:50 Fakhar Zaman,

01:08:52 the opener at T20,

01:08:54 all his life he opened

01:08:56 and suddenly became middle order

01:08:58 in the last couple of years.

01:09:00 That's not sacrifice.

01:09:02 When chips are down,

01:09:04 you always say,

01:09:06 the leader comes out.

01:09:08 The leader says,

01:09:10 this is a tough situation,

01:09:12 I'll go and deal with it.

01:09:14 When it was time for the new ball,

01:09:16 our strategy was to leave the old ball

01:09:18 and make it old.

01:09:20 Because both ends had two balls

01:09:22 like the World Cup.

01:09:24 And he started coming on number three.

01:09:26 In the semi-final,

01:09:28 imagine the decision

01:09:30 of Imran Khan,

01:09:32 that he'll bat on three.

01:09:34 World Cup, semi-final.

01:09:36 Imagine, new ball.

01:09:38 Nobody knew that Imran Khan

01:09:40 can do it. He did it.

01:09:42 Thank you, Vikrant.

01:09:44 I hope you got your answers there.

01:09:46 Vikrant Gupta used a good point.

01:09:48 He said, if your main bowler

01:09:50 is not the same,

01:09:52 Abdul Ghaffar, a very good sports journalist,

01:09:54 works for Dawn Akhbar.

01:09:56 He shared that Shaheen Shah Afridi

01:09:58 did a good job in the new ball

01:10:00 in the ICC World Cup in 2023.

01:10:02 He sent a good stat about him.

01:10:04 He over-batted against the Netherlands

01:10:06 and got no wickets.

01:10:08 He over-batted against Sri Lanka

01:10:10 and got no wickets.

01:10:12 He over-batted against India

01:10:14 and got one wicket.

01:10:16 He over-batted against Australia

01:10:18 and got no wickets.

01:10:20 He over-batted against Afghanistan

01:10:22 and got no wickets.

01:10:24 He over-batted against South Africa

01:10:26 and got one wicket.

01:10:28 He over-batted against Bangladesh

01:10:30 and got two wickets.

01:10:32 He over-batted against New Zealand

01:10:34 and got no wickets.

01:10:36 He over-batted against England

01:10:38 and got no wickets.

01:10:40 He over-batted against India

01:10:42 and got no wickets.

01:10:44 He over-batted against Australia

01:10:46 and got one wicket.

01:10:48 He over-batted against India

01:10:50 and got no wickets.

01:10:52 He over-batted against Australia

01:10:54 and got one wicket.

01:10:56 He over-batted against India

01:10:58 and got no wickets.

01:11:00 He over-batted against India

01:11:02 and got no wickets.

01:11:04 He over-batted against India

01:11:06 and got one wicket.

01:11:08 He over-batted against Australia

01:11:10 and got no wickets.

01:11:12 He over-batted against India

01:11:14 and got one wicket.

01:11:16 He over-batted against Australia

01:11:18 and got no wickets.

01:11:20 He over-batted against India

01:11:22 and got one wicket.

01:11:24 He over-batted against India

01:11:26 and got no wickets.

01:11:28 He over-batted against Australia

01:11:30 and got one wicket.

01:11:32 He over-batted against India

01:11:34 and got no wickets.

01:11:36 He over-batted against India

01:11:38 and got no wickets.

01:11:40 He over-batted against India

01:11:42 and got no wickets.

01:11:44 He over-batted against India

01:11:46 and got no wickets.

01:11:48 He over-batted against India

01:11:50 and got no wickets.

01:11:52 He over-batted against India

01:11:54 and got no wickets.

01:11:56 He over-batted against India

01:11:58 and got no wickets.

01:12:00 He over-batted against India

01:12:02 and got no wickets.

01:12:04 He over-batted against India

01:12:06 and got no wickets.

01:12:08 He over-batted against India

01:12:10 and got no wickets.

01:12:12 He over-batted against India

01:12:14 and got no wickets.

01:12:16 He over-batted against India

01:12:18 and got no wickets.

01:12:20 He over-batted against India

01:12:22 and got no wickets.

01:12:24 He over-batted against India

01:12:26 and got no wickets.

01:12:28 He over-batted against India

01:12:30 and got no wickets.

01:12:32 He over-batted against India

01:12:34 and got no wickets.

01:12:36 He over-batted against India

01:12:38 and got no wickets.

01:12:40 He over-batted against India

01:12:42 and got no wickets.

01:12:44 He over-batted against India

01:12:46 and got no wickets.

01:12:48 He over-batted against India

01:12:50 and got no wickets.

01:12:52 He over-batted against India

01:12:54 and got no wickets.

01:12:56 He over-batted against India

01:12:58 and got no wickets.

01:13:00 He over-batted against India

01:13:02 and got no wickets.

01:13:04 He over-batted against India

01:13:06 and got no wickets.

01:13:08 He over-batted against India

01:13:10 and got no wickets.

01:13:12 He over-batted against India

01:13:14 and got no wickets.

01:13:16 He over-batted against India

01:13:18 and got no wickets.

01:13:20 He over-batted against India

01:13:22 and got no wickets.

01:13:24 He over-batted against India

01:13:26 and got no wickets.

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