Da'Sean Butler Final Preseason Press Conference
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00:00 How's everybody doing?
00:01 Good.
00:01 Good?
00:02 Good.
00:02 Talkative group.
00:03 So Dave, you've been involved in the coaching thing
00:06 for a couple of years, but more pro side of it.
00:10 Just give us your thoughts of now a coach, college coach.
00:13 How much different is this for you?
00:17 Not too different, being that the players
00:19 that I was around in pro sports are all very young as well.
00:24 That league is getting younger as well.
00:26 So I wouldn't say it's too different.
00:31 They make their money, and our players make their money now.
00:33 And it's just finding different ways to manage people and build
00:38 relationships.
00:39 That's all coaching is, teaching,
00:41 managing personalities and people,
00:44 and continuously building relationships with these guys.
00:47 Considering what the different obstacles that Josh
00:51 has had since he started, have you talked to him and said,
00:53 hey, what did you do to the basketball gods?
00:55 What is happening?
00:58 All these things are conspiring against you.
00:59 What have you told him?
01:02 I mean, everywhere has their adversity.
01:03 I mean, I know regardless if you're in New York City,
01:06 or you're in Atlanta, or you're in Morgantown, West Virginia,
01:10 there's adversity everywhere you turn.
01:12 And how we handle it is just more or less banding closer
01:15 together as a staff and as a team.
01:18 And Josh has seen his fair share of adversity.
01:21 Probably none like this before as a head coach,
01:25 but he's seen his fair share of adversity.
01:27 If there's anybody I'm not worried about leading the
01:30 troops is my guy, Coach Eilert.
01:31 Well, I was going to say, you're on the inside.
01:33 You're around him.
01:34 How has he handled this?
01:35 And how has he responded?
01:37 And how has he stayed so positive through all this?
01:39 Well, he's a poised guy.
01:40 He doesn't really crack when bad things or bad information
01:44 is coming to him.
01:45 And honestly, at the end of the day,
01:47 I would just say he trusts our staff
01:50 to do what they need to do.
01:53 And our players have made it a little bit easier for him,
01:55 as well, too.
01:55 I mean, they're going through a tough scenario of dealing
01:58 with these things and hearing about the information
02:01 that they see in the news.
02:02 And like I said, Josh has just been
02:04 very transparent with our players, open, honest,
02:07 and makes it easy for our staff to be accountable.
02:11 And it keeps our players' trust.
02:15 So everything's been working just fine.
02:17 Sean, Coach Eilert has kind of told us
02:21 a story about how you guys kind of grinded out this offense
02:24 that you guys are running this year.
02:26 And you guys kind of put it together.
02:30 I just kind of--
02:31 just tell me the early stages of that.
02:33 Is this an offense that you played in, or just something
02:37 you guys came up with?
02:38 I would just say some of the actions,
02:42 maybe not the entirety of the offense, some of the actions
02:44 are things I've seen played in from time to time.
02:51 And most of the stuff is what Josh wanted, as well.
02:54 I mean, I wanted to figure out what he wanted, what he needed,
02:56 what was suitable for our players, which guys he wanted
03:00 to go to, which guys he wanted to highlight
03:02 in certain points of the offense.
03:03 And finding these things and these actions
03:08 to help make our guys successful.
03:10 I mean, and we wanted to change some things as far as spacing
03:15 and some of the things we felt we lacked prior.
03:20 And just we ended up landing on what we have right now.
03:24 So what was it like putting together the playbook?
03:28 That was fun.
03:29 No, it was very fun.
03:30 I mean, I sat around a lot of coaches who had playbooks.
03:35 Either they created or given to them by people above them
03:39 that they had to run.
03:40 And just being able to have that trust from Josh
03:47 and also get a chance to work with him side by side
03:50 and putting these things together and putting
03:52 in our actions, it was awesome.
03:54 And not to mention, I mean, it's not just me.
03:57 I did help out a good bit.
03:59 But just like Damar is helping out,
04:01 and Alex is helping out, and Jordan's helping out,
04:03 because everybody has experiences and things
04:05 that worked for them.
04:08 I can sit here and put together stuff for point guards.
04:12 I was never a point guard.
04:13 Jordan would have a good idea of what
04:15 it would work for somebody off the ball or, excuse me,
04:18 as a point guard.
04:19 And same for Alex as a very skilled guard.
04:22 And same for Damar in the levels that he's
04:25 played at in his career.
04:26 So it's not just me working the offense.
04:30 I mean, we have a lot of guys who formerly played and saw
04:34 a lot of different things.
04:35 And part of being a coach is being a good learner
04:39 and being receptive to those things.
04:41 Curious, I have one more here on Josh.
04:43 What's your message to the fans?
04:45 I mean, he's following a Hall of Fame coach,
04:47 one of the greatest of all time.
04:48 He's dealing with all these things.
04:50 What's your message to the Mountaineer fans
04:52 out there about Josh and the program?
04:54 Let's just continue to be consistent all around,
04:58 as fans, as our staff, as we expect our players to be.
05:02 Let's just continue to be supportive and consistent.
05:06 We're not victims.
05:07 The bad things have happened.
05:09 But I mean, we're going to move forward,
05:11 just like bad things have happened in this state.
05:12 And we're going to move forward.
05:14 And we treat it just the same.
05:16 We don't want our players to feel like, woe is me.
05:18 That's not our message.
05:19 That'll never be our message.
05:21 And we'll continue to take it one game at a time,
05:26 one foot in front of the other.
05:27 And that's what we'll do.
05:29 And back to the offense a little bit,
05:32 in terms of plucking pieces from where.
05:34 I mean, is it a lot from what you and Alex did in Europe?
05:38 Go back to beeline, hubs.
05:40 Where are all the pieces come from for this offense?
05:43 I mean, that's tough in general.
05:46 I mean, I have probably, what, eight years
05:49 of professional playing experience overseas.
05:52 I got a chance to be near Eric Spolstre for a year.
05:55 I got a chance to be near Coach Pott for a year.
05:59 And then working with Tom Thibodeau,
06:02 and working with Steve Gansey in Atlanta,
06:04 using the Atlanta Hawks offense.
06:06 So more or less, Nate McMillan.
06:08 I mean, there's a lot of stuff that they run,
06:11 and actions that they ran, that John Belon ran.
06:14 So a lot of the stuff is just things
06:16 I've seen that you recognize.
06:18 Everybody takes everybody else's stuff.
06:20 And you just figure out what actions work.
06:22 And the same thing with Alex.
06:23 Alex has a ton, a ton of experience of playing overseas.
06:27 And has played for some really great coaches.
06:29 Got a chance to play against Alex when I played overseas.
06:32 So I mean, like I said, played with some very good coaches.
06:35 And his knowledge in offense is extreme as well.
06:41 So we just take a little bit of everything that we feel work.
06:44 We talk a lot as a staff about what we can do offensively.
06:47 And no one is--
06:52 I would say no one is protective over their information,
06:57 or guarded about someone else presenting anything.
07:01 We realize this year is very important to us as a staff,
07:05 and as a team.
07:06 And the more information we get that can help our team out,
07:10 the better.
07:11 So--
07:12 As a player, as a player, Dave, you
07:14 were able to take over games.
07:16 Yeah, you were able to take over games.
07:18 And all of a sudden, you can't do that anymore.
07:20 You're a coach.
07:21 I mean, you can take them over on a non-game day,
07:25 but when they're out there playing--
07:26 what's the transition been like?
07:28 How hard is that to accept that--
07:30 to watch guys either be able to do or not be able to do
07:34 what you would have done?
07:35 Not hard.
07:36 I can't move anymore.
07:37 So it's very easy for me to have a seat
07:39 and just let these guys do what they're doing.
07:42 But I would just say the most difficult part is figuring out--
07:46 like I told you before, managing personalities
07:48 and being able to have these relationships
07:50 with these players is important.
07:52 Because now you've got to know how to relate and articulate
07:55 that message to them.
07:56 And that was probably the most difficult thing for me
07:58 at first.
07:59 And it's something that you continue to work at.
08:01 You don't meet one kind of person.
08:04 You continuously meet different personalities every year,
08:08 every day, whether that be through your players,
08:11 whether that be through media, whether that be on campus,
08:13 whoever.
08:14 So learning how to talk to people
08:18 and learning how to get the best out of the people
08:21 that you're dealing with every day is an ongoing learning--
08:26 ongoing learning ability that I need to continue to work at.
08:30 How do you take what you had, the drive or whatever it was,
08:35 and find a way to get it into someone else?
08:39 I mean, transfer it from you to them and coach the player?
08:44 Like I said, I have to articulate it properly.
08:47 I have to figure out what motivates that person.
08:49 And that's through building that relationship.
08:51 I can't assume that they're like me or I'm like them.
08:55 I mean, I have to figure out the things that they like,
08:58 what makes them tick in a sense.
09:00 And then once I figure out what motivates them,
09:02 then that's something-- that's a tool I can use to get them
09:05 to push to be the best version of themselves.
09:08 I got to ask you, recruiting.
09:10 You were the guy responsible for Nevaeh, right?
09:12 Yeah.
09:13 Well, they talk about coaches flipping over rocks
09:16 and finding guys.
09:18 Go through that story because it looks
09:20 like you found one there.
09:22 Donald Jankson.
09:23 But no, Ofri is such a great, great kid, a great guy, man.
09:28 A hard worker.
09:31 I had a feeling I was going to really like him
09:33 after I had our very first conversation on Zoom.
09:36 Not a big talker, yes sir, no sir kind of guy.
09:39 And he was very intrigued and excited about coming over
09:43 to America.
09:44 And his coach-- excuse me, a guy who
09:47 was getting ready to be his coach--
09:49 was my coach in Israel and one of the best coaches
09:52 I've ever played for, without a doubt.
09:55 And if he was going to play for him, I was like, well,
10:01 he can play.
10:02 And I hadn't even gotten a chance
10:04 to see him play at the time.
10:07 So I got in contact with him, talked to him.
10:09 And then when I got a chance to watch him play within two days,
10:13 I mean, it was a no-brainer.
10:14 I mean, he's very savvy basketball IQ.
10:19 He knows the game.
10:20 He knows how to play.
10:22 He reads the floor very well.
10:25 One of his big things initially was just
10:27 tightening up certain skill sets
10:29 and making them more consistent.
10:31 But I mean, that's reps.
10:32 And if I know anything about our people over in Israel,
10:36 those guys, they work hard.
10:38 And I got a chance to see that at first hand.
10:40 So I wasn't worried about his work ethic.
10:43 I heard nothing but great things about him
10:44 from everybody I talked to.
10:46 And once I saw him play, like I said, it was a no-brainer.
10:50 So it was a relationship and a trust?
10:52 No, for sure.
10:52 I mean, the people I talked to were just phenomenal.
10:56 And those are people I trust.
10:59 I've been over there for two, almost three years,
11:02 an opportunity.
11:02 And it wasn't just the head coach
11:05 I got a chance to talk to.
11:06 Oded Ketosh was amazing.
11:09 I literally searched every person in every relationship
11:13 I built over in Israel because, I mean, it's a small country.
11:16 If he's as talented as they say he was,
11:20 then everybody had an opportunity to see him.
11:22 And it's good basketball over there, right?
11:23 Very good basketball.
11:24 So for a younger guy, that's their NBA.
11:29 So if he had an opportunity to play against some really good
11:34 competition, I mean, why not take that guy
11:37 and bring him here?
11:38 That breakaway bump, did that surprise you a little bit?
11:40 No, he's one of our better athletes, a very quick,
11:44 fast-twitch guy.
11:45 So I was more impressed with--
11:49 through the crowd of people that were near him.
11:52 Because he weighs 170 pounds.
11:53 So he's a very thin guy.
11:56 And I was very impressed by that aspect.
11:59 But nothing really surprises me when it comes to Ofri.
12:04 I knew once he got here, our staff would really
12:06 fall in love with him.
12:07 And once you see him, it's just like, all right,
12:10 he's kind of thin.
12:11 And then all of a sudden, as he plays,
12:13 he plays much bigger than what he is.
12:15 So--
12:15 [INAUDIBLE]
12:17 And do Tom.
12:18 I mean, I'm sure he can figure something out while he's here.
12:20 [INAUDIBLE]
12:22 The playbook stuff, safe to say you
12:24 have like sole control of the Buster Beater chapter.
12:27 Ooh, sole?
12:28 Yeah.
12:28 That's all you.
12:29 Sole control?
12:30 I don't know if I have sole control.
12:31 My guy, Josh, is the captain of the ship for sure.
12:37 I would have--
12:38 I would not hesitate to put in input.
12:40 But it's the same as most of our staff.
12:42 Josh gave me the opportunity to help him piece everything
12:45 together.
12:46 And then he gives our staff the opportunity
12:48 to continue to add and critique and figure out
12:50 what works best for our staff and our players.
12:53 I think-- I mean, to answer why here,
12:54 I think I understand that.
12:55 But like, your career had been a lot of professional stuff,
12:57 a little bit of college.
12:58 Were you angling for NBA or pro?
12:59 Like, not for me.
13:00 Were you open to anything?
13:01 Were you trying to get into college?
13:02 How'd you end up on this round here?
13:04 Back here in West Virginia?
13:06 [INAUDIBLE]
13:06 Oh.
13:07 Did you pick one or the other?
13:07 Did you like one more than the other?
13:08 Did you read a study together?
13:09 I just like good basketball, honestly.
13:11 And I like opportunity.
13:12 And opportunity arose here with this job.
13:15 And I couldn't turn down a great opportunity.
13:18 And it was for me to come back home to West Virginia,
13:21 work with Josh, who I've met--
13:24 I've known him since I was 19 years old, one of the first
13:27 people I met here on campus.
13:29 And he's somebody who I stayed in contact
13:32 with throughout the years of me being here, not being here,
13:36 playing overseas, checking in on him and his wife and his kids.
13:41 Like, me and him have a really great relationship.
13:43 So when he gave me that call, I mean, it was-- like I said,
13:45 it was a no-brainer.
13:48 When Alex was in here last week, I
13:49 was kind of asking him the same thing.
13:52 You and him, you guys aren't really
13:53 that far removed from being recruited yourselves
13:57 as players.
13:58 Pardon me, I may not agree with that.
13:59 But from that experience of being recruited yourself,
14:06 the ins and outs, the good and bads of it,
14:08 what do you take from that when you go out on the recruiting
14:11 trail and are talking to kids, talking to families,
14:15 talking to things like that?
14:17 I would just say I give them everything I wish I heard
14:22 and wish I knew prior.
14:26 And then not to mention, just tell them everything about what
14:31 the state and what the school can do for their children.
14:34 I mean, everyone has a misconception
14:37 of the state of West Virginia.
14:39 So all I can do is I'm one of the people who are not
14:43 from the state originally.
14:45 And I'm a representation of people that are, like I said,
14:47 out of state.
14:48 So they want to know why I stay, why I come back.
14:51 And to talk about the people, talk about the state,
14:54 talk about how welcoming the university is when you are here
14:58 and when you leave, I mean, those
15:00 are very important factors for people
15:03 who are sending their kids here.
15:04 They want to know that they're not just sending their kids
15:06 here and all hell's going to break loose with their children.
15:10 So just reassuring them that the guys that they have here,
15:15 who've been here for years and continue to come back,
15:19 that are on the staff, who are from all over the place,
15:24 I mean, just reassuring them that their children
15:27 will be in good hands.
15:28 And they know what we're going to do for their child
15:31 basketball-wise.
15:31 But just are we going to take care of them
15:33 and be there day to day for them?
15:35 I try to make sure I reassure them on that front.
15:37 Because those are things I didn't think twice about when
15:40 I was here for my visit.
15:41 So the court looks nice.
15:43 The coach is really cool.
15:45 But I didn't-- I'm 18, 17, 18 years old.
15:48 How would I know what questions to ask about my university?
15:51 I wasn't very as intentional as I should have been.
15:54 And I'm glad I wasn't because it led me here.
15:57 So maybe I can be a little bit more helpful in giving them
16:01 the brighter spots of our university and our state
16:04 and our staff when they come.
16:08 You said you knew Josh since you were 19.
16:11 And he's been here a long time.
16:13 And he's a quiet guy.
16:14 What do the fans--
16:16 what's his best attribute?
16:17 What do the fans don't know about him
16:19 that makes him what he is?
16:23 He, like I said earlier, he's poised and under control
16:26 at all times.
16:27 There's not many times I see Josh just lose his mind
16:31 and forget what the mission is.
16:35 And we've had a lot of things going on recently.
16:39 And he just does a great job of, as a leader,
16:43 just staying calm, cool, and collective,
16:46 and always being the smartest guy in the room,
16:48 always thinking of what routes we can and what we can't take.
16:52 And I would just say he's just been a great leader.
16:55 You see that from the players.
16:57 Do the players respond to that?
16:58 They more than definitely respond to him.
17:01 So with that aspect, I would just say the guys--
17:04 this is the reason why a bunch of the guys came to his defense
17:08 and came to his back about being the head coach.
17:10 He's somebody that they trust.
17:12 He's somebody that they know cares about them
17:16 before the rest of our staff was even appointed.
17:19 He's different, right?
17:20 He's a different type of guy, not a yeller,
17:22 that type of thing.
17:23 I mean, he can yell.
17:25 I wouldn't say that's the number one thing he does.
17:28 He's more going to teach versus go to barking.
17:32 But I mean, he can flip that switch as well.
17:34 I mean, I showed the skirmish game.
17:35 He yelled a little bit.
17:37 So--
17:37 When did you decide you wanted to truly follow
17:41 the coaching path?
17:42 Was it always in the back of your mind?
17:44 When did it become a realistic goal for you?
17:48 I mean, it was always in the back of my mind.
17:50 I mean, as a high school player, I
17:52 would go to coaching clinics with my dad, who
17:54 was a coach at the time, and go watch Jay Wright talk.
17:59 And Bob-- not Bob Knight, but Bob Hurley talk.
18:04 And see these guys, meet these coaches,
18:08 and just see what they're teaching
18:10 and what I should be doing.
18:11 And go to college.
18:13 I mean, fast forward, and I go to college.
18:14 I mean, obviously, I'm focused on being a player.
18:17 And when I got hurt, I mean, coaching
18:22 is definitely in the back of my head.
18:23 But I really just miss playing.
18:25 And I came back here as a GA.
18:27 And I got a chance to see what coaches do,
18:29 professional coaches do, day to day.
18:33 And I was hooked by that.
18:35 I was like, this is what I really want to do.
18:37 But at that time, not more than playing.
18:40 And I felt like it would have been a disservice
18:42 if I was stuck around here, or stuck around coaching
18:48 in general, and wasn't 100% committed,
18:53 and constantly thinking about playing basketball,
18:55 or thinking about it from a player's mentality,
18:57 versus it's good to have a player's mentality,
19:00 because I played.
19:01 But at the same time, you can't approach everything
19:03 like a player would.
19:05 There's a certain way, and a nuance to what
19:06 you need to do as a coach.
19:09 Josh was-- he was talking about the offense,
19:11 and how when he was the video coordinator, he just spotted
19:14 stuff he liked.
19:16 You were video coordinator.
19:17 Like, would people just think you
19:19 have to be a coach on the bench or a GA to have experience?
19:21 But it's all relative in some sense.
19:23 No, for sure.
19:24 What did you get out of that that's
19:25 helpful or reasonable for this?
19:26 Oh, man, it was an awesome experience.
19:30 Just to be around some of the best coaches in the world,
19:33 and learn the reasons why they do what they do,
19:36 and then how they teach.
19:37 It's rarely much yelling.
19:42 So just teaching is the most important thing.
19:45 And I would say at the next level,
19:48 the best part about that is the players only
19:51 respect what you know, not what you did as a player.
19:55 So I had to really know what I was talking about
19:58 if I were to speak, which rarely happened.
20:01 It's nothing for me to say.
20:02 You have the greatest coaches around.
20:05 I didn't say a word unless someone addressed me.
20:07 So I would just say that was--
20:11 it was a great experience.
20:12 Man, I got a chance to watch a lot of basketball,
20:14 learn from a lot of coaches, and learn a lot of systems,
20:19 and see what I like, like you just said about what Josh said,
20:23 see the things that I found interesting,
20:26 and see why certain things worked in certain situations,
20:29 and why certain things didn't.
20:31 And that's all coaching really comes down to a lot of times
20:33 when you're not in charge.
20:35 You want to see what works, and you
20:36 want to see what you will do and what you won't do.
20:38 Are you watching practice?
20:39 Does it seem how they're communicating the mistakes?
20:41 Or why they want to see a certain set or anything
20:44 like that as part of--
20:45 they want this, but why?
20:46 Or they say this, but why?
20:47 Yeah, I mean, we get that because--
20:49 and are you talking about here?
20:50 Or are you talking about--
20:52 oh, when as a coordinator, I mean,
20:54 your coach is teaching everybody.
20:56 He's not just teaching the players.
20:58 So he's teaching the assistant coaches.
20:59 He's teaching the video coordinators.
21:01 He's teaching everybody.
21:03 And everybody at a certain point in time, when it's time to go
21:06 through video, go through sets with players,
21:10 go through anything, everybody should
21:12 be reiterating his message.
21:16 Are you working with the bigs now?
21:17 Yeah.
21:18 So I mean, obviously, the cook is out.
21:22 Def wasn't great to begin with.
21:24 Quinn's kind of moving in.
21:25 So you get out there on Monday.
21:29 Could early foul trouble--
21:30 I mean, could this--
21:32 making your job working with the bigs a lot harder now, right?
21:35 I mean--
21:35 Anything can happen.
21:36 I mean, I can't--
21:38 at the end of the day, I really can't tell you what could--
21:41 I mean, literally, like you said,
21:42 somebody can get in foul trouble.
21:43 We have to go to another person.
21:45 That's basketball.
21:46 And that's just the way things work.
21:48 I mean, next man up, and next guy has to be ready to play.
21:51 I mean, like I said, we're not going to sit here and play
21:54 the victim.
21:55 What we have here is a ton of opportunity
21:58 for guys to come out there and take advantage
22:00 of that opportunity.
22:02 And that's what we have.
22:04 I mean--
22:05 Different scenarios that have run through your mind
22:08 to prepare for.
22:10 So many.
22:11 So many.
22:11 Yeah.
22:12 So I mean, there's tons.
22:13 And we talk about that stuff as a staff.
22:15 But nothing-- how can I put this?
22:19 Nothing that-- it could be very alarming at times.
22:22 But for the most part, nothing that
22:23 makes us change anything we need to really do.
22:25 I mean, we know what guys we could potentially go in,
22:29 and what guys we aren't, and what we're going to do,
22:31 and how we move forward if foul trouble or something else
22:34 happens.
22:35 You sound like you've become superstitious last hour.
22:38 No.
22:39 How so?
22:40 Am I knocking on the--
22:41 [LAUGHTER]
22:41 No, I'm just talking about--
22:42 No, yeah.
22:42 I just don't-- yeah.
22:43 There's no need to talk about the game until the game starts.
22:45 Anything else is like--
22:46 I mean, this is a distraction.
22:48 So don't want to distract my guys
22:50 while I'm up here talking to you.
22:52 Yeah, I've never asked you this, but have you ever
22:56 sat back and thought about that magical week at the Big East
23:00 tournament, and the why me, how that happened,
23:06 how fortunate it was that those situations came up?
23:08 I mean, you can't make it in situations
23:10 for last second shots until they come.
23:12 And have you ever thought about fate, that kind of stuff?
23:17 I mean, then, and I mean, all I can do--
23:20 like at that time, I mean, that was just something I never
23:22 dealt with before in life.
23:24 That was the first of many that year, and from beginning to end.
23:29 And as a young man, I mean, that was very difficult for me.
23:35 But I'm just the kind of person that
23:37 likes to just find any positive thing I could possibly find
23:41 and latch onto it, and then just try
23:44 to use that to continue to prop myself up.
23:49 Yeah, those times were tough, but they
23:52 made me into who I am today.
23:53 And if I continue to play, who knows if I'd be coaching.
23:56 I may not be playing, potentially, somewhere.
23:58 I'm thinking more of the three last shots.
24:01 Oh, I mean, that was pretty cool.
24:03 Yeah, that was fun.
24:04 I'd lost.
24:04 I had a good time.
24:06 Not wound up in your hands.
24:07 No, I know.
24:08 But I mean, most of those games were tied.
24:10 I mean, we were going to OT.
24:11 So it was really nothing to really worry about,
24:13 in my eyes.
24:14 Half a month?
24:15 I mean, exactly.
24:16 So I mean, happy I made them.
24:19 That was a pretty cool story.
24:21 The difference between a make and a miss is--
24:24 No, it's true.
24:25 For sure, it really isn't.
24:26 But at the same time, I mean, I was just happy and lucky
24:29 that my teammates and the staff had faith in me
24:31 and allowed me to go out there and take those opportunities.
24:35 One more on the offense.
24:37 Who got to name the plays?
24:39 Josh got to name the plays.
24:40 Yeah, yeah.
24:42 Yeah, I didn't get that kind of freedom.
24:44 Because he probably had some good names.
24:46 No, for sure.
24:47 I mean, I threw--
24:48 I'm not going to sit there and say
24:49 I didn't throw a name in the two.
24:50 But no, Josh definitely is the--
24:54 everything's funneling up.
24:55 You can't do that.
24:57 I'm just the assistant.
24:59 Coach, thank you.
25:00 Appreciate you guys.