Where Gina Kirschenheiter Stands w_ Shannon Beador After DUI Arrest
Where Gina Kirschenheiter Stands w_ Shannon Beador After DUI Arrest
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00:00 I really believe obviously that Chindin
00:01 is not going to continue this narrative.
00:03 I mean, I would be--
00:04 - There's no way.
00:05 - Bizarre.
00:06 Yeah, so that made me feel a little bit more safe
00:10 in this space.
00:11 (upbeat music)
00:14 - That's my opinion!
00:18 - Hi, Gina.
00:19 - Hi, Lauren.
00:20 - I haven't seen you in a hot minute.
00:22 - I know, I know.
00:23 - It's like, I think it's since BravoCon.
00:25 - Is that weird?
00:26 I was just trying to figure that out.
00:27 I was like, when is the last time?
00:28 I follow you on social media,
00:29 so I feel like I see you.
00:31 - Yes, yes, yes.
00:31 - But I love to see you in person.
00:33 - I love to see you in person.
00:34 And we were just saying BravoCon is a month out.
00:36 - Yes!
00:37 - I'm excited.
00:39 I'm so excited.
00:40 Who are you most excited to see?
00:42 - Oh, you know what?
00:43 I love the fans.
00:45 Honestly, I'm most excited to see the fans.
00:47 I have, even more recently,
00:50 when I bump into people or people see me out,
00:52 the people who are going to BravoCon are so excited.
00:55 And they're like, okay, I'm gonna see you at BravoCon!
00:57 And on my social media,
00:58 I know everybody's like,
00:58 oh, you're at BravoCon!
00:59 Honestly, that's why I love it.
01:01 It's always cool to see the other people
01:04 in our Bravo-liberty sort of sphere.
01:06 And I love seeing all the women, really.
01:08 But this is about the fans,
01:11 and I love that.
01:12 - I love that.
01:13 Wait, so I was talking to Emily,
01:14 which I know is your girlfriend,
01:16 like a close pal,
01:17 and she was telling me
01:18 that she doesn't watch any Bravo shows.
01:20 - I know, she's so annoying.
01:21 - And I was like, Emily,
01:22 you have so much to do before BravoCon.
01:24 - She doesn't even watch our show.
01:26 - I know!
01:27 - And I have to give her the blurbs of it.
01:30 - I know, I know.
01:31 It's so annoying, honestly.
01:33 And I give her crap for it all the time.
01:35 I'm like, Emily, you have to watch.
01:36 I think last year, last season,
01:39 not this one that we just filmed,
01:40 but the previous season,
01:41 when we were leaning into the reunion,
01:43 they give us the episodes
01:45 so that we know what's going on.
01:46 And I usually share,
01:47 well, share a hotel room in April.
01:49 And I'm like, Emily, you have to watch this.
01:51 And I literally put it on on my laptop
01:54 and forced her to watch it
01:55 while she was in the bed with me.
01:56 And I was like, you need to know what's going on.
01:58 - You need to know what people are saying about you.
02:00 'Cause I feel like the shiniest part is the confessionals.
02:03 - But to be honest,
02:04 she actually doesn't need to know what's going on
02:08 because I would say she also really does handle herself
02:10 pretty well if we're not watching it.
02:11 So no problems there.
02:14 - We did also talk about the reunion.
02:16 - Yeah.
02:16 - And she said a lot of stuff happened.
02:19 - I think for me personally,
02:21 it's interesting because I remember
02:23 after my first reunion ever,
02:25 I was like so affected by it
02:27 because I had just never been in that situation
02:30 and that level of like heightened emotion
02:32 for that long duration of time.
02:34 And it was a lot for me.
02:36 And then I think like the next couple,
02:37 you just kind of get used to it.
02:38 And then now this is my fifth.
02:41 And I have to say,
02:43 this one was not as emotionally charged as the first,
02:47 but definitely since the first,
02:49 the most emotionally charged for me.
02:51 My kids are this close to being on social media.
02:56 You put clickbait out there,
02:58 Gina, mom, CBS, children almost taken away.
03:01 My children, for them to see that and get hurt by that.
03:05 And you don't even know their names.
03:07 - This year, everything that happened
03:09 really between Shannon and I
03:11 was like very emotionally charging for me.
03:14 And obviously circumstances have changed
03:18 since the reunion, right?
03:19 And so I am sympathetic towards her situation.
03:24 I am not going to make that worse
03:26 than it already is for her.
03:28 And I feel for her, you know?
03:30 And so I think that that really also kind of
03:35 made me let go of a lot of stuff
03:38 that maybe I was holding onto.
03:40 I will say during the reunion,
03:41 I found it very hard
03:42 because I didn't feel like I made any progress with her.
03:45 But then after we were done filming,
03:47 she actually did, when we were still on set on stage,
03:49 she came up to me and she gave me a hug.
03:51 And she was like, "Gina, you know,
03:53 "I don't know what happened between the two of us,
03:55 "but I really hope that we can get back to,
03:58 "there was a time when we did get along
04:00 "and we were hanging out.
04:02 "And you know, if nothing else,
04:03 "I've known Shannon for six years."
04:05 - Right.
04:06 - And I have a lot of history with her.
04:07 And I don't like to have bad blood with anyone.
04:12 So like, I would love to get to the point
04:13 where we could get back on track,
04:15 but I also feel like right now for Shannon,
04:18 that should be the least of her concerns.
04:20 I think she should be concentrating on herself,
04:23 her health and her wellness.
04:24 And I'm not here to make that any harder for her
04:29 than it already is.
04:30 - You're talking about Shannon's DUI arrest.
04:34 A lot of fans I know were thinking,
04:36 "Oh, Gina must feel vindicated."
04:39 Or she might feel something after that happened.
04:43 Obviously you said you're very sympathetic,
04:45 but was there a part of you
04:46 that kind of felt a little vindicated by that?
04:49 - I mean, I would be lying if I didn't say, yeah.
04:54 You know what I mean?
04:55 There was at least what I felt like, not vindicated,
04:57 but I think what I'm really feeling is,
05:00 maybe now Shannon will actually see things
05:03 from my point of view, right?
05:05 And I think it's really hard to get somebody
05:07 who's not in your shoes to see things from your perspective.
05:11 And I think that this is obviously going to give Shannon
05:15 a huge perspective on all of this,
05:17 but this really isn't the way that I wanted Shannon
05:21 to get perspective at all.
05:23 And honestly, we all see what's out there, I've seen it.
05:26 And my real reaction when I saw it, the footage of it,
05:30 was I was scared for her.
05:32 And I was like, "Thank God she didn't really
05:34 "get seriously injured."
05:36 I mean, that was scary.
05:38 And I know that also, I am sympathetic to where I know,
05:42 or I believe that Shannon is in her life right now.
05:45 And I know what it's like to go through
05:48 just a really hard time.
05:51 And she's going through a lot of transitions at once.
05:53 Like her girls are up and out of the house.
05:56 I don't know what that feels like.
05:58 She is divorced, she went through a rough breakup.
06:01 And I don't know with her and John,
06:02 if they're on or they're off.
06:03 And I don't think she really knows either.
06:05 But to me, that's hard to not know where you stand
06:09 and where you're going
06:10 and which direction you're gonna go in next.
06:11 She's had a lot of things thrown at her.
06:14 There's one thing where it's like,
06:15 oh, we are fighting, we don't see eye to eye.
06:18 We obviously don't stand on,
06:21 we don't agree on a lot or see things the same way.
06:25 But this is something bigger than that.
06:28 This is something bigger than our stupid,
06:32 now it makes everything look so silly now.
06:35 It's unfortunate.
06:40 I just keep saying, 'cause this is truly how I believe.
06:43 What I believe in is that,
06:44 I really, really truly believe
06:47 you are not defined by the mistakes you make.
06:50 You are defined by the way you respond
06:53 to the mistakes that you make.
06:55 Everybody will make mistakes in life.
06:57 Some will be worse than others,
06:59 but how you handle it and how you move forward,
07:03 and that determines who you really are inside.
07:05 And I hope that she uses this as an opportunity
07:08 to better herself.
07:09 - So I was gonna say, what would your advice be
07:12 for her going forward?
07:14 - That would be my advice,
07:16 to use this as an opportunity to find personal growth,
07:20 to look at something that is very difficult to look at
07:23 and take responsibility for it.
07:27 And then hope that you can move on from it
07:31 and hope that the people that are in your life
07:33 that do support you and care about you
07:36 will help you to move on from it.
07:39 And champion you for hopefully
07:41 what will become positive behavior.
07:44 And I think that for me,
07:46 that is what I was looking for from her
07:49 for the last four years.
07:52 And that's where I started to have
07:53 a really hard time with it,
07:55 because I just felt like,
07:56 look, I'm doing all this great stuff in my life.
07:58 Why can't we just talk about some of that?
08:00 Why do we have to keep being brought back to this place?
08:03 And it became really hurtful to me.
08:06 And now we're adding on stuff that's just not true
08:09 and not necessary and bringing it back.
08:11 And it just, it felt like a personal attack on me.
08:13 - Right.
08:14 - I didn't get it.
08:15 - Have you reached out to her or anything?
08:18 - No, she did text, right?
08:20 I think it was the day of, the morning of,
08:22 and it was just asking to not speak out or respond to media,
08:26 which I totally understand.
08:27 I'm sure she was very scared,
08:28 didn't know what I was gonna say.
08:30 And I'm sure that I was probably
08:32 the most concerning of her cast members.
08:36 Which I understand, but even to that point,
08:39 it makes me upset because it's like if Shannon,
08:42 I feel like it's like if she really knew me,
08:45 she would know that I would never do that.
08:47 You know, and that's the whole point of this.
08:48 Is like, I'm just trying to get you to understand
08:50 that you have this idea of who you think I am
08:52 in your mind and in your heart, and it's just not true.
08:54 It's just not there.
08:55 Like, I'm not doing anything to you.
08:57 And outside of that,
08:58 I haven't had any communication with her.
09:00 Because to be completely honest and fair,
09:02 like me supporting her is like doing what I can,
09:05 which is being here, saying the truth,
09:08 and being supportive from afar.
09:10 I think it would be really phony baloney
09:14 if I was like, oh, now I'm gonna be like
09:16 bringing her flowers and like be up her butt
09:19 about all of this.
09:19 And you're texting her all the time.
09:20 Like, we don't have that relationship.
09:22 So to me, the best thing that I can do
09:25 is just be truthful and as supportive as I can
09:29 from a distance.
09:30 You know, wish her well,
09:32 hope that good things are happening over there
09:34 and that she's making the right steps to move forward
09:38 and give her space.
09:39 - I think that's like the most smart thing to do.
09:41 A thousand percent.
09:42 - Yeah, I mean, and I do hope, you know, I know,
09:44 I do hear, I know that some of the other women
09:46 are there for her.
09:48 - Right.
09:49 - You know, and I'm happy for that.
09:50 - But they have a closer relationship with her.
09:52 - Right, so it's appropriate.
09:53 - So it would be a little phony if all of a sudden.
09:56 - She, let's be honest, she don't want me.
09:57 She don't want me there.
09:58 - And that's okay.
09:59 You know, there's other people.
10:00 - That's okay, right.
10:01 - It's fine.
10:02 - It's okay, yes.
10:03 - It's fine.
10:03 - Well, I love all the things that you said
10:05 because you are being very supportive
10:07 and you could go the low route,
10:10 but you're taking the high road with it all.
10:12 So I think that's amazing.
10:13 Go back to the reunion.
10:14 - Okay.
10:15 - Because you did briefly say that like,
10:16 you came to a point where you're like,
10:18 I don't know if I can handle this woman.
10:20 And I saw that in the trailer and I'm like, Gina, no.
10:22 You cannot leave.
10:24 And I know a lot of fans were like, wait,
10:26 is she not gonna come back?
10:28 So what can you tell us about that?
10:30 - It got scary for me when I felt like,
10:34 I just felt, started to feel this overwhelming feeling
10:39 like I needed to protect my children.
10:41 - Right, of course.
10:42 - And like, even now it gets me emotional
10:44 because that was very upsetting to me.
10:46 And my kids are still young,
10:48 but they're getting to that age
10:50 where they're this close to like wanting,
10:52 to being on, you know, social media.
10:54 Like it's not that far away.
10:56 And having phones and having friends
10:59 who have social media and phones.
11:00 And I just, the thought of like them seeing
11:03 some of this, these false, these false rumors
11:07 and these things, this false narrative
11:08 that's being put out there.
11:10 And then my kids like coming to me and thinking,
11:13 was I almost taken away?
11:15 And which is completely insane and not true,
11:19 but also my children don't know that.
11:21 Maybe their friends don't know that.
11:22 And that just made me feel this like overwhelming desire
11:26 to like protect them and create distance from that.
11:29 And I don't think people really understand
11:31 that at the end of the day, we're human beings.
11:33 I'm like, my children are human beings.
11:35 And you know, you just like every other mom,
11:37 you just want to keep them safe.
11:39 And if I had to choose between this opportunity,
11:43 this job and this life and my kids every single day,
11:46 every single time, I'm picking my kids.
11:49 And you can't pay me enough money.
11:52 You can't give me enough limelight
11:53 to make me not put my kids first.
11:57 And so I was getting, I felt like I was getting
11:58 kind of backed into a corner with this.
12:00 And then I was also like, when does it stop?
12:03 Like what is gonna be next?
12:05 What is gonna be spread next about me and the situation
12:08 and my kids for something that happened
12:10 four and a half years ago.
12:12 I've done everything in my power
12:14 to make myself a better person and recover from it
12:17 and move on.
12:17 And it just, I'm not allowed to do that.
12:20 And I started to feel very boxed in by that.
12:23 And I felt like it was very unfair.
12:26 And so to me, you can only control the things
12:28 that you can control.
12:29 And so me potentially stepping away
12:32 is something that I can't control.
12:33 And it's nuts because obviously
12:38 this changes the circumstances,
12:41 because I do believe, I really believe obviously
12:43 that Shannon is not going to continue this narrative.
12:46 I mean, I would be bizarre.
12:48 Yeah, so that made me feel a little bit more safe
12:53 in this space.
12:54 So I started to think about it differently
12:57 and a little bit more recently,
12:59 but I don't know, it's kind of a scary thing
13:02 to put yourself out there and to make yourself
13:04 so vulnerable and to let everybody just judge you
13:07 and judge your life and judge your kids.
13:09 Like it's not the easiest job.
13:11 - How can it be easy?
13:12 - Yeah.
13:13 - Especially when you have been so vulnerable
13:15 about everything.
13:16 I do know, I feel like a lot of fans know
13:19 that when Shannon was saying all this,
13:21 it's like, come on.
13:23 - I know, I know.
13:24 And that's what everybody keeps saying.
13:25 - But I get it, because then you have the kids
13:26 and I know you have Travis's kids.
13:28 What does Travis think about all of this?
13:30 - I mean, he's always just so supportive.
13:33 He'll go with whatever crazy thing I'm going.
13:36 But like, and I think that you're right.
13:38 Like to the viewers and the fans,
13:41 they were watching and they were like,
13:42 that's ridiculous and it's just funny and whatever.
13:44 But to me, it was real.
13:47 - It's real.
13:48 - And I don't know what people are really thinking.
13:49 I think I did find a lot, once it all came out too,
13:53 I felt better about it because then I could see,
13:57 oh no, everybody knows this is ridiculous.
13:59 But when you're in it, you're like, yeah.
14:02 - How can you not think that?
14:03 - So I have to say like, since the season aired,
14:07 I do feel a little bit better about it,
14:10 but it's still like a scary,
14:14 it's a scary thing for me and I don't know, you know.
14:17 But I am very, always very thankful and appreciative
14:19 and I know that people support me in that.
14:21 I think that is what makes me feel really, it calms me.
14:25 - Right.
14:26 - The fact that I know people are out there
14:27 and they get that.
14:28 - People are out there and they do get you
14:29 'cause you would not be here five seasons later
14:32 if they didn't, right?
14:33 - Yeah, I guess it's a good point, yeah.
14:35 - Look at all the other people that they just.
14:38 - It's like doing it for the underdogs, I feel like.
14:40 - It's like doing it for the underdogs, a thousand percent.
14:42 - And I do think because of the situation,
14:45 which you mentioned,
14:46 there's no way that storyline continues.
14:49 - Right, yeah.
14:50 - So I don't know if that,
14:51 like maybe that would change your mind.
14:53 - It's hard because it's like on one hand,
14:55 that gives me extreme peace,
14:56 but on the other hand, I feel so bad
14:59 that like Shannon has to go through something
15:02 that I know is gonna be so, is so hard for her
15:05 and gonna continue to be so hard for her to get that peace.
15:08 That's not the way I want to have that peace.
15:10 So it's kind of like a hard,
15:12 I don't really know what to do with it yet.
15:14 - Okay, so you have a couple months to figure it out, right?
15:17 - Yeah, I guess so, yeah, yeah.
15:20 - Maybe going to BravoCon and you know.
15:22 - I mean, look, I'll be there.
15:24 I don't know what that looks like for Shannon at all,
15:27 you know, so I don't want to speculate on that,
15:29 but you know, should she be there,
15:31 maybe it could be more of a supportive person for her
15:35 through that, you know.
15:38 I'll take her lead.
15:39 - You'll take her lead.
15:40 Well, I know a lot of people also were questioning
15:43 whether if Heather will come back next season.
15:46 Oh, that face, that was a little.
15:48 - Oh no, I mean, I hope so.
15:51 I absolutely love Heather, so I hope so.
15:54 I think that from what I know, and I talk to Heather,
15:59 you know, pretty regularly, honestly,
16:01 and I think she would absolutely still want to be
16:04 a part of this and a part of this opportunity.
16:07 She's not like exclusively in LA now.
16:10 - No, she still has a house in Orange County.
16:12 - Yeah, she still has a house in Orange County.
16:14 She's not quite sure, you know, what's gonna happen
16:16 with some of her kids in school,
16:17 so they might be in Orange County still.
16:19 So Orange County is a big part of Heather's life,
16:22 and I don't think that her selling her home
16:26 and then getting these new homes in LA
16:28 was her moving away from this show.
16:32 I just think that's, you know, she's expanding on her life.
16:35 - She is expanding, but that last episode in Cancun,
16:39 you guys, not gonna--
16:40 - Well, she hated us then.
16:42 - Hated.
16:43 - If it was that night, I'd say 100% she's out.
16:46 - She's pissed out.
16:47 - But, you know, we've all talked it out,
16:49 and Heather and I have had a lot of conversations
16:51 about what we think happened this year and this season
16:54 and our friendship, and I think she feels very,
16:59 at this moment, secure in maybe not all,
17:03 but a lot of her relationships
17:05 with us other ladies on the show,
17:08 and she knows that she's wanted,
17:10 and she knows that we love her.
17:13 Like, how could we not, you know?
17:15 - She has fancy pants.
17:16 - Yes, yes, and I'm like, I love her to death.
17:19 Sometimes her fancy pants get a little too tight,
17:22 and we loosen them, and then we're back to fabulous,
17:24 you know, and just like all of us, we have our moments.
17:26 They're not all amazing and glamorous, and then we move on.
17:30 - As long as you live up to it,
17:31 which you've always had, Heather has.
17:33 Now, I do wanna talk about Tamara.
17:35 She came back, and man, did she stir the pot.
17:37 - She really did.
17:37 - And she'll be the first to say it,
17:39 that she was just stirring the pot the entire season.
17:41 - You know, there was a lot of pressure on Tamara.
17:43 - Right, she had to come back with a baby.
17:44 - Yes, and I think that, you know,
17:48 mentally, she probably was feeling a lot of that,
17:50 and I think, like, I don't think she was like
17:53 putting it on because of that,
17:54 but I think that that got in her head
17:57 and added an element of pressure,
17:59 and then I know that she was leaning into the cocktails
18:02 'cause she was a little nervous, too, at the beginning,
18:04 and I think it just kind of came out of her.
18:07 But now that, like, she's gone through the season,
18:10 I feel like she's gotten really back
18:12 into her comfortable mode and didn't maybe,
18:15 I don't feel like she was as affected by that
18:17 at the reunion, so she seemed more focused.
18:20 I mean, I'm not gonna say she didn't have her moments,
18:23 but that's just Tamara, you know?
18:24 - That's just Tamara.
18:25 I would imagine her and Jen had some moments.
18:27 - For sure, 100%.
18:29 - Which I want to know your,
18:30 I know I personally did warm up to her as the season went,
18:34 okay, and you're, yeah.
18:35 - Jen's a great girl.
18:36 - Yeah. - She's a great woman.
18:37 She's a very kind person.
18:39 She is who she really is, I think.
18:41 I don't know, like, that whole,
18:46 I'm still a little confused about the whole thing,
18:49 and I do think that there is still some, you know,
18:52 there's definitely still some bad blood there,
18:54 and I think, I don't think Jen really understands
18:57 or knows where she quite stands with Tamara.
19:00 Maybe Tamara doesn't really quite know either,
19:02 and I think that it's the two of them
19:04 really needing to work it out.
19:06 I would be very curious to see how that spills out
19:10 going into the next season, you know?
19:13 I think right now, they're taking
19:18 just like a normal, natural distance from each other,
19:21 but I don't think there's necessarily negativity there,
19:26 but it's not like they're hanging out.
19:28 - Okay. - So I don't really know.
19:30 I know that Jen's a little confused.
19:32 - Yeah, I would be confused, too.
19:33 - Yeah, she just, I think I know she doesn't get it.
19:35 - What was her best friend, and then, and then, yeah.
19:36 - Yeah, certainly the person she knew the most,
19:38 and then that was like a lot, a lot.
19:42 And it is a little confusing,
19:44 and I think Tamara recognizes that that was a lot
19:46 and that it's confusing, too,
19:47 and I think she's trying to work it out in her head as well.
19:52 I don't know, if nothing else,
19:53 it's very entertaining to watch them work it out, right?
19:55 - It's very entertaining, the napkin thrown,
19:57 the like, it is all very entertaining.
19:59 - All of it, yes.
20:00 - Very entertaining.
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21:13 and I'm really enjoying it.
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