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- Waseem Badami
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- Barrister Khadija Siddiqi (Lawyer)
- Barrister Muhammad Ahmad Pansota (Lawyer)
- Sher Afzal Khan Marwat (Lawyer)
- Shaikh Rohale Asghar PMLN
- Dr Javed Akram (Caretaker Health Minister)
Barrister Khadija Siddiqi's reaction on re-arrested of PTI women activist
Attock Jail or Adiala Jail: Where is Chairman PTI? Lawyer Panjutha's Big Statement
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00:00 [Music]
00:16 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum.
00:18 A good news started the day when the famous journalist
00:23 Imran Riaz Khan Sahib reached his home safely.
00:27 Obviously, his health and condition is not in a good condition.
00:36 And obviously, he must have gone through a traumatic condition.
00:42 But it is a good news that he has returned.
00:46 What is the opinion of someone about this?
00:50 How is someone doing journalism?
00:54 You may like it or dislike it.
00:59 But you should have a principle that
01:04 some things cannot be justified.
01:08 Everyone should have an opinion.
01:15 Your opinion can be in any field.
01:19 But if you do not know the whereabouts of someone's family,
01:25 it becomes a traumatic situation.
01:28 Let's hope that this ritual goes towards its end.
01:33 And this is the first step.
01:36 This was the news of the day.
01:39 A little while ago, another development happened.
01:41 We start our program with this.
01:43 You all know that two types of arrests were famous in 2009.
01:47 One was of famous journalists of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:50 And the other was of famous workers.
01:52 Not just workers, but also of people who supported them.
01:55 Like Khadija Shah, Sanam Javed and many other women workers.
02:01 The news was that they were released.
02:04 So it was expected that they would be released.
02:08 But a little while ago, they were released.
02:13 But after the release, they were arrested again.
02:17 Sanam Javed and some other people were arrested.
02:20 Khadija Siddiqui, a lawyer, is with us.
02:29 Let's ask her what happened.
02:32 And whether Sanam was arrested again.
02:34 Or the other women.
02:36 Let's ask Khadija Siddiqui about the developments.
02:39 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:41 Khadija Saheb, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:43 Wa-alaikum-salaam.
02:45 What happened?
02:47 A few minutes ago, they were supposed to be released from the Lakhpat Jail.
02:51 But they were released.
02:53 And the police arrested them again.
02:55 Yes, that's right.
02:57 The human rights violations that are happening in our country.
03:00 A few minutes ago, five women were supposed to be released from the Lakhpat Jail.
03:07 And Sanam's family was not there.
03:12 They refused.
03:14 Because the police were there.
03:16 The entire Lahore police was assigned to arrest these women.
03:21 And they are being arrested in other cases.
03:23 So when it comes to women, the jail authorities are under an obligation.
03:29 That they only hand over the women to their heirs.
03:32 But what happened here?
03:34 They handed over the women to the police.
03:37 And not to the heirs.
03:39 So the women were not allowed to be released.
03:41 You said that the heirs were also saying that they would not receive them.
03:47 Why?
03:49 Basically, they did not want to receive them.
03:51 Because they knew that when they would come out of the jail premises,
03:55 they would be re-arrested.
03:57 And they would be put in another case.
03:59 They started announcing on loudspeakers that these women should be released.
04:06 When no one came to receive them,
04:09 they sent the police inside and got the women arrested.
04:16 Five women?
04:18 Yes, five women were arrested.
04:21 From four walls of the jail.
04:23 And you see, you cannot keep women in the police station at night.
04:30 And they were taken out of the jail at night and shifted to the police station.
04:35 We don't even know which police station they were shifted to.
04:38 After Maghrib, you cannot keep women in the police station.
04:41 You have to keep them in the jail premises.
04:43 And here, the opposite is happening.
04:45 Have you spoken to any of their family members who were outside the jail?
04:50 Yes, their family members were present.
04:53 But when they saw that the police has come to arrest them in any case,
04:58 which is completely illegal.
05:00 If you want to arrest them in any other case,
05:03 you have to go to the relevant magistrate the next day for an investigation.
05:07 You have to get permission that they are wanted in this case.
05:11 So we need their arrest.
05:13 After that permission, you can arrest them.
05:17 When they are released from the jail,
05:20 it is illegal to arrest anyone from the jail premises.
05:24 And it is a massive human rights violation that we are witnessing today.
05:28 How many cases are there against Sanam Sahiba?
05:32 Sanam Sahiba was nominated in the same FIR.
05:37 She was nominated for the Serber Road Police Station.
05:40 So she was accused of inciting the attack on the core commander house.
05:43 Yes, exactly.
05:45 She was accused of inciting the attack on the core commander house.
05:47 But there are many other FIRs against her. How many?
05:50 There are many FIRs.
05:52 There are about 18 FIRs in Lahore.
05:54 I think they will nominate her in all the FIRs.
05:58 Because they don't want the women to be released.
06:02 I don't understand how the women can be released.
06:04 It is possible that they will say in front of the magistrate that
06:07 she was arrested for inciting the attack on the core commander house.
06:10 The court has given her bail.
06:12 We are also asking for her bail in the Ascari Tower case.
06:15 You have given her bail for so many days. Is it possible that she will be released tomorrow?
06:18 She will be released tomorrow.
06:20 She will be arrested in the morning with permission from the magistrate court.
06:24 Because she would have been nominated already.
06:26 But legally she cannot be arrested without permission.
06:30 But because everything is happening illegally,
06:32 everything is happening through mischief, we are seeing.
06:36 So anything is expected in the morning.
06:38 And she will be asked for further bail in another case.
06:41 Are you surprised by what happened or you were not expecting this?
06:44 Because when Mr. Imran came to his house in the morning
06:47 and heard a few more developments,
06:48 it was becoming a bit of a buzz that maybe something is getting better.
06:51 Or you were expecting this to happen?
06:54 I had no expectations in the case of women.
06:58 Because women have a very clear cut law.
07:02 If this law was not there, we would have said
07:04 that you should put more offences on them, put more FIRs.
07:08 But now because the circumstances are such,
07:11 we saw a big ray of hope in the morning
07:13 that maybe some circumstances are going towards improvement.
07:15 But unfortunately, the day has ended.
07:18 At night we saw another violation.
07:22 We have seen a violation of the law.
07:24 And by the way, if I am saying this right,
07:27 this is the case of Sanam Sahiba.
07:29 The one who is Khadija Shah Sahiba,
07:31 her bail was rejected in this regard, in this court of law.
07:35 So now she will go to a higher platform.
07:38 Sanam was accepted, but after being released, she was arrested again.
07:41 And Khadija Sahiba was rejected on this platform. Is that right?
07:44 Absolutely. The women whose bails were pending in the High Court,
07:48 and the High Court had sent them back to the Anti-Terrorism Court,
07:51 when we presented ourselves before the Anti-Terrorism Court,
07:54 the judge said that I can only decide on the extent of offences
07:58 which are additional offences.
08:00 In the previous cases, we have rejected them.
08:02 We will not go further on them.
08:04 So they dismissed them.
08:06 And now we will take them to the High Court,
08:08 all the bails, which will be decided in a new way.
08:12 Thank you very much.
08:14 Barish Rekhaiba, who was Sanam Sahiba's lawyer,
08:16 this is a development a little while ago.
08:18 We were giving you an update on this.
08:20 Today, the chairman of PTI's cases,
08:22 has been discussing various cases all day.
08:24 And especially because he is in the Attock jail right now,
08:27 he wants his transfer to Adiala jail.
08:30 The order for his arrest also came from Adiala jail.
08:33 And today, there was confusion all day that
08:35 Islamabad High Court has said that
08:37 he should be transferred from Attock to Adiala jail.
08:39 Even his lawyers said,
08:41 at least one lawyer said,
08:43 in fact, he even told the condition that
08:45 he is in Adiala jail,
08:47 and he has the facility of a washroom attached bath in Adiala jail,
08:49 which is his right.
08:51 So many details have been given.
08:53 Then it was said that he is not in Adiala jail,
08:55 he is still in Attock jail.
08:57 What is all this?
08:59 Why does he want to be kept in Adiala?
09:01 He has nominated his own legal spokesperson,
09:04 Mr. Naeem Pinchota.
09:06 He is with us. Mr. Pinchota, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:08 Wa-alaikum-o-Alaikum, Mr. Badami.
09:12 Sir, thank you very much for your time.
09:16 First, tell us,
09:18 obviously, it is your right that you are transferring to Adiala jail.
09:20 You are speaking and it is written in the order.
09:22 But why did you take the plea in court?
09:24 Why did you insist that
09:26 Adiala should be transferred from Attock?
09:28 Please explain this first.
09:31 Look, the situation is that
09:33 whenever I have met Mr. Khan,
09:35 he never said that
09:37 I should be shifted to another jail
09:40 or I should be given better facilities.
09:43 Whenever I used to talk to him,
09:46 he always said that
09:48 look, your voice is doubling.
09:53 He said that
09:55 you have to make sacrifices for your freedom
10:01 and I will make all kinds of sacrifices.
10:03 And this is a five-star for me.
10:05 No doubt, it is in such conditions.
10:07 No doubt, these are all circumstances.
10:09 But I am in debt.
10:11 This request was made after Mr. Khan was arrested.
10:15 And you can see how justice is obtained quickly.
10:19 It has been more than a month and a half.
10:21 Today that request has been fixed.
10:23 And orders are being made on it.
10:25 When the other witnesses
10:27 were presented in court by the prosecution,
10:31 the court asked them
10:33 what law did you follow?
10:35 Because when the orders were of Mr. Humayun Dilawar,
10:38 they were from Adiala jail,
10:40 so how did you take them to Attock?
10:42 Secondly, they asked why did you not give them
10:44 the better facilities that they were supposed to get?
10:46 We saw that they were helpless
10:48 and they had no answer.
10:50 So they said that they will order it today.
10:54 But the thing is that if it is decided after a month and a half
10:58 that the order is being made today,
11:00 then who will pay the bill for the day
11:02 they spent in jail?
11:04 And on the second number,
11:06 you can see that in the Tosha Khana case,
11:08 after a month,
11:10 the suspension is being made,
11:12 Mr. Khan is being bailed.
11:14 We have a question on that too.
11:16 If this decision comes after a month,
11:18 then the order could have been given on the second or third day.
11:20 So for every moment,
11:22 no one's freedom can be taken away.
11:24 And no one should be kept like this.
11:26 The decision should be made immediately
11:28 and justice should be served so that the demands can be met.
11:31 I wanted to understand that
11:34 the insistence of Adiala is based on the lack of facilities in Attock jail.
11:40 One is that your plea is absolutely right
11:42 that the Adiala jail is in the order.
11:44 But what is the fundamental plea you have taken in this?
11:47 Why Adiala not Attock?
11:49 This is what I wanted to understand.
11:51 Look, the decision was made in accordance with the law.
11:55 The decision was made that
11:57 because the district court in Islamabad punished them,
12:01 so they had to be kept in Adiala jail.
12:05 And the policy was that
12:07 because there were no better facilities there
12:09 and a secret process is being carried out there,
12:11 the case is being filed under the Official Secret Act.
12:13 And in a closed room,
12:15 they want to give a decision.
12:17 If they want to give a decision in a closed room,
12:20 then they should give it to us in writing
12:22 as Mr. Humayun Dilawar gave a decision
12:24 in 4-5 days without listening to us.
12:26 The thing is that we have acted in accordance with the law.
12:30 And we have acted that they should be given the facilities according to the law.
12:36 So you are expecting tomorrow.
12:38 Why couldn't this move happen today?
12:40 You didn't get a written decision today.
12:42 What did the authorities of Attock Jail say to you?
12:45 Why didn't you move them from Adiala?
12:47 Because you didn't get a written decision,
12:49 that's why you didn't get a written order.
12:51 So this will be done tomorrow.
12:53 If tomorrow is not tomorrow, then tomorrow is the day of decision.
12:55 So you think this will be done tomorrow?
12:57 Look, it is very clear that
12:59 Mr. Sher Abdul Marwat received the information.
13:01 The jail authorities told him that
13:03 they have been shifted.
13:05 They have come to Adiala jail.
13:09 So I immediately tried to contact them.
13:12 I also got to know by a source that they have come.
13:14 Because it was 15-20 minutes ago,
13:16 the news was already on.
13:18 So I contacted the superintendents of Attock Jail.
13:22 From there I got to know that they are with us.
13:26 Then I tweeted that on one side there is information
13:28 that they have shifted to Adiala jail.
13:30 On the other side there is information
13:32 that they are still in Attock.
13:34 So why is there confusion?
13:36 This should be clear.
13:38 Please tell us,
13:40 when Imran Riaz Sahib came today morning,
13:42 and a few other things happened,
13:44 and the decision of Sanam Javed Sahiba came,
13:46 and a discussion was going on,
13:48 that maybe the situation is getting better,
13:50 some winds are changing.
13:52 Often, there is an impression,
13:54 but the reality is something else.
13:56 There are some coincidences,
13:58 and people make an impression on that.
14:00 We have seen the case of Sanam Sahiba,
14:02 that she has been arrested again.
14:04 So this decision of the Islamic Court,
14:06 which has not been implemented yet,
14:08 but if it comes tomorrow, it will be done tomorrow.
14:10 Do you think that the situation is getting better,
14:12 or do you think that the situation is the same as it was?
14:14 Look, how are the situations getting better?
14:16 After one and a half months,
14:18 our request to Attock Jail is accepted,
14:20 that Adiala Jail should be shifted,
14:22 or the facilities should be provided
14:24 according to the law.
14:26 On the other hand,
14:28 we were calling for the Cypher case,
14:30 in which they had been bailed out,
14:32 and a decision was given on it.
14:34 The decision on that bail has not been given yet.
14:36 Sometimes, the judges of the trial court
14:38 make excuses that he is not available,
14:40 that the person is not available,
14:42 that the prosecution is not available,
14:44 that the judge is on leave.
14:46 Similarly, we have seen this practice
14:48 in Islamabad High Court,
14:50 from the prosecution.
14:52 So, if the decision on that bail
14:54 had been given, then Khan Sahib would have been with us.
14:56 The request that has been accepted,
14:58 there is no need for it,
15:00 if he would have been with us.
15:02 This is a very urgent matter.
15:04 The request that has been accepted,
15:06 there is no need for it.
15:08 The bail should be heard.
15:10 They will not listen to us.
15:12 The decision on that bail is safe.
15:14 There will be an open trial.
15:16 The section 14 of the Official Secret Act
15:18 is very clear.
15:20 The court will decide
15:22 that these people,
15:24 they are also under the jurisdiction of the court,
15:26 that if they say that this is an in-camera proceeding,
15:28 or under the Official Secret Act.
15:30 No, no, no, it is not under the Official Secret Act.
15:32 If they say that it is a case,
15:34 and the court will decide
15:36 whether it is a case or not,
15:38 and we have filed a question.
15:40 So, section 14 is very clear.
15:42 It is the court's responsibility
15:44 that the people who are bailed out,
15:46 should be seen to be in a suitable position,
15:48 at this time,
15:50 to be bailed out from the court.
15:52 So, we have made it clear in the court
15:54 that the people who are bailed out...
15:56 Can you give me two minutes?
15:58 I am not able to correct myself.
16:00 I am not able to correct myself.
16:02 I am not able to correct myself.
16:04 So, we have with us Sher Afzal Marwat,
16:06 who is also a lawyer,
16:08 and he has tweeted,
16:10 that he was informed
16:12 that he has been shifted to Adiala.
16:14 So, let's ask him what is the matter.
16:16 Sher Afzal, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
16:18 Wa-alaikum-o-Alaikum, yes, Mr. Badani.
16:20 Sir, what is the matter?
16:22 You have tweeted with all the details,
16:24 that not only have you been transferred,
16:26 but you have also been bailed out.
16:28 Nothing had happened.
16:30 So, what was the matter?
16:32 This tweet is in front of you.
16:34 I am not exactly at the moment.
16:36 I will remove it.
16:38 If I have made a mistake,
16:40 please correct me.
16:42 It was that he is being shifted
16:44 and the arrangements are being made
16:46 for his accommodation in Adiala jail.
16:48 Sir, I will read it.
16:50 I have removed it.
16:52 Chairman PTI Imran Khan has been transferred to Adiala jail.
16:54 He has been kept in a room
16:56 where there is a washroom
16:58 and other facilities
17:00 which are acceptable
17:02 for a former Prime Minister
17:04 under the jail laws.
17:06 Look, it is like this.
17:08 This tweet was not in Urdu.
17:10 It was in English.
17:12 I am reading it from your account,
17:14 Mr. Sher Afzal.
17:16 I have taken a screenshot
17:18 and read it from your account.
17:20 It happened like this.
17:22 I asked him
17:24 that this order is being executed.
17:26 He said that
17:28 he will issue a written order today.
17:30 After that,
17:32 at around 6 pm
17:34 from Attock,
17:36 it was announced
17:38 that he has been shifted from Haley.
17:40 We have a source in Adiala jail.
17:42 We spoke to him
17:44 that Mr. Khan has reached.
17:46 He said that to receive him,
17:48 this is his air transportation.
17:50 Here,
17:52 we have prepared
17:54 B class
17:56 for him.
17:58 We have prepared
18:00 for him.
18:02 He is being shifted
18:04 and is in the process.
18:06 After this,
18:08 this tweet was made.
18:10 During this time, Mr. Panjota
18:12 spoke to the Superintendent of Adiala jail
18:14 who said that
18:16 he has not been shifted yet.
18:18 He said that
18:20 the helicopter
18:22 was flown from Attock jail.
18:24 After that,
18:26 we did not know
18:28 why this matter was postponed.
18:30 Later, we came to know
18:32 that the written order of the High Court
18:34 was postponed due to the new ruling.
18:36 So,
18:38 it was not flown from Attock jail.
18:40 The helicopter was also wrong.
18:42 No,
18:44 the footage of the helicopter
18:46 was taken by the staff.
18:48 Were you the chairman of the staff?
18:50 No,
18:52 I did not request.
18:54 They assumed that
18:56 they are being transported in this helicopter.
18:58 Are you expecting
19:00 that it is only a matter of time
19:02 and the decision will be received tomorrow?
19:04 I think that
19:06 the decision will be made
19:08 in the court today.
19:10 So, the decision will be in our hands tomorrow
19:12 and the execution will be done.
19:14 The Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
19:16 Amir Farooq, has decided
19:18 and the chairman of the BTI has said
19:20 that you will go to the Supreme Judicial Council
19:22 and there are complaints and reservations.
19:24 Do you have any confidence in them
19:26 regarding the recent and today's decisions
19:28 or are your reservations still there?
19:30 Regarding the Supreme Judicial Council,
19:32 we had made a clear cut statement
19:34 that
19:36 the matter
19:38 has been deferred for now
19:40 because
19:42 we are following the instructions
19:44 of Mr. Khan.
19:46 Secondly,
19:48 the current decision...
19:50 No, Mr. Naeem is still with us.
19:52 He has told us
19:54 that when he met
19:56 the chairman of the BTI,
19:58 he said that
20:00 you have to take the matter
20:02 to the Supreme Judicial Council.
20:04 I am not denying
20:06 that I am going to the Supreme Judicial Council.
20:08 When I met
20:10 Mr. Khan,
20:12 every lawyer
20:14 has his own responsibility.
20:16 And the matters
20:18 like the Supreme Judicial Council
20:20 decision,
20:22 there is no
20:24 categorical direction
20:26 that you have to file it immediately.
20:28 Number one.
20:30 Number two,
20:32 the petition
20:34 that the Chief Justice has allowed
20:36 is definitely in the works.
20:38 There are many issues in the case.
20:40 The chairman of the BTI
20:42 has issues with his court.
20:44 Therefore, in these circumstances,
20:46 today's decision is positive.
20:48 We welcome it.
20:50 And our expectations have increased a little.
20:52 Although, today itself
20:54 he had a request for bail,
20:56 in which both sides had lawyers,
20:58 the record was there.
21:00 It should have been that
21:02 the bail petition should have been decided
21:04 in the Cypher case.
21:06 But he has urged for such reasons
21:08 which I think the law does not acknowledge.
21:10 There is no reason for the urge.
21:12 But anyway, he has urged.
21:14 Anyway,
21:16 we are thankful here
21:18 that if we are given a little justice,
21:20 we are thankful
21:22 if someone gives us our right.
21:24 Sir, do you think today's decision
21:26 is praiseworthy
21:28 in Amir Farooq's eyes?
21:30 Yes, I will definitely praise it.
21:32 And we expect
21:34 that in order to
21:36 maintain the dignity of the court,
21:38 it is necessary
21:40 to strengthen the belief of the people
21:42 in justice and institutions of justice
21:44 that such decisions should be made
21:46 which also show
21:48 that justice is being done.
21:50 And especially,
21:52 we have concerns from the court of
21:54 Chief Justice.
21:56 And it is necessary for them to be praised.
21:58 Anyway,
22:00 today's decision is positive.
22:02 And people are aware of it.
22:04 Although, I used to say
22:06 that we will have to go to the Supreme Court
22:08 for a bail in the Saifur case.
22:10 And this tweet,
22:12 was it in Urdu or you did not do it?
22:14 It was an English tweet,
22:16 but you did not do it.
22:18 No, I sent an English tweet.
22:20 You see,
22:22 you have caught that point.
22:24 No, no, I am saying this because
22:26 you told me in the beginning of the interview
22:28 that you read the tweet and did not write it.
22:30 Yes, I did it.
22:32 And then,
22:34 we also put English translation
22:36 together.
22:38 Google translates it.
22:40 I do not know Urdu typing.
22:42 Thank you, sir.
22:44 Thank you.
22:46 Now, Mr. Naeem,
22:48 when was the last time you met the chairman?
22:50 Yes, the last time I met him
22:54 was about 7-10 days ago.
22:56 And yesterday,
22:58 you know,
23:00 the court has been shifted
23:02 to the jail.
23:04 And he will be in jail for the same case?
23:06 Yes, yes.
23:10 Do you think that the same case,
23:12 technically,
23:14 is under arrest in the same case,
23:16 which is the Saifur case?
23:18 Yes, it is under arrest in the same case.
23:22 And you know,
23:24 15 days ago,
23:26 they were arrested
23:28 and remanded.
23:30 And you know everything.
23:32 Yes, I know.
23:34 And do you think that tomorrow's hearing
23:36 will be a final decision
23:38 or will it be a history?
23:40 Look, tomorrow's hearing,
23:46 is basically a remand case.
23:48 It is presented for 14 days
23:50 and it is extended.
23:52 Basically, you have to see
23:54 the bail.
23:56 And the bail is confirmed
23:58 only when the bail is extended.
24:00 And Mr. Jai has to go there for remand.
24:02 He doesn't have to settle for a bail.
24:04 The bail is in the High Court.
24:06 And in the High Court,
24:08 not only the bail,
24:10 but 14 cases are pending.
24:12 And similarly,
24:14 4 cases are pending in the Supreme Court.
24:16 Some are not fixed,
24:18 some are fixed,
24:20 and some are given an adjournment.
24:22 And the court has to decide.
24:24 When will the hearing be in the High Court
24:28 regarding the bail in the Saifar case?
24:30 Yes, the High Court has decided
24:32 whether the hearing will be open
24:34 or an in-camera proceeding.
24:36 So, we will see the date.
24:38 We will fix it for tomorrow or the day after.
24:40 Or the decision is still in the court.
24:42 We will have to see.
24:44 Thank you, sir.
24:46 Thank you very much.
24:48 We spoke about legal matters.
24:50 Now, we will talk about political matters.
24:52 We will speak to a leader of Noon League,
24:54 who is in London with his leader.
24:56 Let's talk about what Noon League is saying.
24:58 Let's talk to a leader of Noon League,
25:06 who is in London,
25:08 who is a senior leader of Pakistan Muslim Noon League,
25:10 Mr. Sheikh Rohail Azgar.
25:12 What is Noon League saying?
25:14 There are many questions
25:16 that we will ask Noon League.
25:18 Huzoor, Assalamu Alaikum.
25:20 Wa Alaikum Assalam Huzoor.
25:22 How are you?
25:24 Alhamdulillah, sir.
25:26 Thank you for giving me time.
25:28 How did I get the chance
25:30 to be on your show?
25:32 You have blessed me with your time.
25:34 I am your fan.
25:36 I am very grateful.
25:38 Thank you very much.
25:40 Tell me,
25:42 what are the last instructions
25:44 for the Mian's supporters
25:46 to head to
25:48 Allama Iqbal International Airport
25:50 on 21st October
25:52 to welcome their beloved leader.
25:54 And then slowly, slowly, slowly,
25:56 the caravan will reach Minar-e-Pakistan
25:58 in 8, 10, 12, 15 hours.
26:00 Or will you reach directly to Minar-e-Pakistan
26:02 and the Mian will also reach there.
26:04 Huzoor, till now,
26:06 you have to prepare for the Jalsa
26:08 on 21st October.
26:10 Obviously,
26:12 I request you,
26:14 if you come to your country
26:16 and if you come to the airport,
26:18 obviously, they will be welcomed.
26:20 And they will be welcomed.
26:22 But who knows better than you
26:24 that you are the MNAS of your area.
26:26 So MNAS, MPA, everyone has a task,
26:28 a management that you all have to come to the airport.
26:30 So there are already arrangements for that.
26:32 The background to this is that
26:34 if you listen, Javed Lateef
26:36 said in our program,
26:38 that we are not calling the workers to the airport
26:40 because it is the season of weddings.
26:42 So listen to me, I will ask you,
26:44 this is the context of my question.
26:46 See what Javed Lateef said.
26:48 We want to bring a change in Pakistan
26:50 so that
26:52 the people of the city
26:54 are not disturbed
26:56 by our Jalsa.
26:58 Or the people there
27:00 come by ambulance,
27:02 people go to school,
27:04 people go to their offices,
27:06 their businesses.
27:08 Yes,
27:10 we had a very old
27:12 desire from our
27:14 husband that
27:16 no matter what Jalsa you do,
27:18 at least the roads should not be blocked.
27:20 Ok, now you will be the reason for the pain.
27:22 Nawaz Sharif is also concerned.
27:24 There will be a lot of trouble.
27:26 So you are not giving a call to the workers
27:28 to reach the airport,
27:30 then slowly leave,
27:32 then walk from here,
27:34 then walk from here,
27:36 then come back in 15 hours.
27:38 We are completely
27:40 restricting that
27:42 not only the people of Istikbal,
27:44 but all the people should come to Jalsa.
27:46 And reach Banaras, Pakistan
27:48 so that
27:50 no city is disturbed on the way.
27:52 And when will the Jalsa be held?
27:54 For example, the Jalsa will be held after
27:56 two hours. Yes, it is like that.
27:58 We could not do that.
28:00 He also said that it is also a season of weddings.
28:02 So see. So Rohit sir,
28:04 is this the final decision
28:06 that Javed Lati sir has made?
28:08 I think
28:10 this is the
28:12 spokesman's decision.
28:14 He must be right.
28:16 What can I say about it?
28:18 Do you think his statement is innocent?
28:20 Mr. Rohit.
28:22 It is a foolish statement.
28:24 It is a foolish statement.
28:26 It is not innocent.
28:28 Innocent is when you
28:30 speak very clearly.
28:32 What do you call it?
28:34 You speak clearly.
28:36 Now tell me one thing.
28:38 Can you stop
28:40 anyone from coming to the airport?
28:42 And you
28:44 at least
28:46 I will tell you one thing.
28:48 On the 21st, Mian sir has promised.
28:50 Okay? Right.
28:52 Now your arrangement is a prayer of fate.
28:54 There is still a lot of time.
28:56 You have to
28:58 give a plan that
29:00 Mian sir has to pass from here to here.
29:02 It is a very straight
29:04 road.
29:06 The road is not difficult.
29:08 It is a straight road.
29:10 You will come out of the airport.
29:12 You will come to the mall.
29:14 You will come out of the Dada Darbar.
29:16 You will come to the Minar-e-Pakistan.
29:18 Now the problem is
29:20 that if you say
29:22 that this is
29:24 a program.
29:26 I mean, it is an official program.
29:28 That Mian sir will come to the airport.
29:30 From there on the helicopter
29:32 he will come straight to the Minar-e-Pakistan.
29:34 Right. Then the matter is understood.
29:36 And if Mian sir
29:38 does not want to give this program and Mian sir
29:40 has to go by road from the airport
29:42 to Minar-e-Pakistan.
29:44 So how can you stop anyone from coming?
29:46 So according to you,
29:48 what will be the reason for this stupid statement
29:50 in your inverted commas? He is quoting Nawaz Sharif.
29:52 He is saying that Mian sir wants the people not to be hurt.
29:54 He has a very old wish.
29:56 I agree with Mian sir.
29:58 But I am telling you
30:00 that when such events
30:02 are held, the administration
30:04 makes alternative arrangements for it.
30:06 Now
30:08 I am requesting you a little.
30:10 You are saying that the way is already decided,
30:12 the date is decided, the time is decided.
30:14 So the administration will keep telling that these roads will be blocked.
30:16 He will arrange accordingly.
30:18 I have permission.
30:20 I have permission.
30:22 Now it depends a lot on
30:24 what time is Mian sir's flight.
30:26 Secondly,
30:28 the way I am telling you,
30:30 there is no hospital on this road.
30:32 Okay.
30:34 Okay.
30:36 There is a Lady Wellington hospital
30:38 which is near Minar-e-Pakistan.
30:40 But for that
30:42 there are many other roads.
30:44 I have told you
30:46 that the most important thing
30:48 is your Mian sir's
30:50 landing at Lahore airport.
30:52 What is the time?
30:54 What about the wedding season?
30:56 In October, the wedding season is on.
30:58 What kind of weddings are these?
31:00 I don't know if it is a
31:02 wedding where Abdullah Diwan
31:04 or someone else is getting married.
31:06 Mr. Chavez is saying that
31:08 the wedding season is on.
31:10 What can I say?
31:12 I have spent
31:14 a part of my life
31:16 on the Mars road.
31:18 I don't see any
31:20 wedding hall on the Mars road.
31:22 I would say that
31:24 there is no wedding in Delhi.
31:26 I understand
31:28 that I should
31:30 think about this
31:32 and speak about it.
31:34 There is no clear plan
31:36 for now
31:38 that you have to
31:40 take me by road
31:42 and take me to Jalsa Gah
31:44 or you have to take me by helicopter
31:46 and my friends
31:48 have to be there.
31:50 Is there a policy announcement?
31:52 Mr. Chavez has said that there is no time.
31:54 There is no policy announcement yet.
31:56 Only the
31:58 pre-announcements
32:00 of Lahore
32:02 have been made.
32:04 The announcements
32:06 have not been made yet.
32:08 There is a
32:10 program
32:12 that is being organized
32:14 that small
32:16 Jalsas
32:18 will be organized
32:20 in the National Assembly
32:22 for motivation.
32:24 We have to come to the end of the program.
32:26 There is a Jalsa at this time.
32:28 It is not a Jalsa.
32:30 You are right.
32:32 Yes, sir.
32:34 I want to ask
32:36 one more thing.
32:38 You met Mr. Mian
32:40 in the last meeting on Friday.
32:42 You are there.
32:44 What impression did you get
32:46 that when you came back
32:48 the people of 2018
32:50 and their officials
32:52 like General Faiz and Bajwa
32:54 are planning to
32:56 take action against them?
32:58 I want to request you
33:00 that many times
33:02 people misinterpret it.
33:04 You think that your time
33:06 has passed
33:08 and you are doing your programs
33:10 in a very slow pace.
33:12 You know that I was very supportive of you
33:14 and I used to come to your programs
33:16 very happily.
33:18 But now I am old
33:20 and I lose
33:22 my mental
33:24 capacity
33:26 very quickly.
33:28 I lose my temper
33:30 very quickly.
33:32 I am angry.
33:34 I know that you will get angry
33:36 at me and we will talk about it.
33:38 I am doing the same thing.
33:40 I am requesting you
33:42 that you see
33:44 that Mr. Mian's
33:46 coming
33:48 if anyone says
33:50 that he will not come
33:52 he will definitely come.
33:54 I will tell you
33:56 the reason for that.
33:58 Everyone loves their parents
34:02 and worships them.
34:04 But everything
34:06 is in the same
34:08 Lahaul Shia.
34:10 His father's grave,
34:12 his mother's grave,
34:14 his wife's grave,
34:16 his brother's grave.
34:18 I am going to the same place.
34:20 Now the issue of
34:22 accountability
34:24 you can take it positive
34:26 or negative.
34:28 The statement that he gave
34:30 was
34:32 in the right direction.
34:34 Now
34:36 you forget that
34:38 you are sitting in the airway.
34:40 Now see
34:42 what happened in this country
34:44 or what was done with this country
34:46 forget it for a minute
34:48 that Mr. Mian was
34:50 removed,
34:52 Mr. Mian's character was assassinated
34:54 with them.
34:56 What should I forget?
34:58 I am sitting in the airway
35:00 and talking to you
35:02 for so long.
35:04 You tell me.
35:06 Tell me.
35:08 Should I do accountability or not?
35:10 Tell me.
35:12 I am requesting you
35:14 that you said
35:16 that you have
35:18 done injustice to this country
35:20 and its people.
35:22 Now, Waseem,
35:24 you will change yourself
35:26 somewhere.
35:28 At some point.
35:30 Now what is our misfortune?
35:32 Our misfortune is that our institution
35:34 is called a democratic institution.
35:36 It is the weakest.
35:38 Whoever wants to
35:40 raises his finger on it.
35:42 Whoever wants to
35:44 gives him a racket.
35:46 Now you will have to be strong
35:48 at some point.
35:50 At some point, you will stand on your own feet
35:52 and become strong.
35:54 Now they will do accountability.
35:56 Like they tried to do accountability to Musharraf,
35:58 they will also try to do accountability to Bajirat and Fais.
36:00 Look, I am requesting you
36:02 to take it a little differently.
36:06 Musharraf
36:08 broke your constitution.
36:10 Not once, but twice.
36:12 And the punishment
36:14 for breaking that constitution
36:16 is the same as
36:18 breaking the constitution.
36:20 Here,
36:22 it is a little different.
36:24 You did not break the constitution,
36:26 but you destroyed this country.
36:28 You destroyed the people of this country.
36:30 You destroyed the people of this country
36:32 by following Fais.
36:34 So now
36:36 for this,
36:38 the Chief of Army staff
36:40 who are here,
36:42 what action do they take
36:44 against them?
36:46 But in this,
36:48 the institution's reputation is also at stake.
36:50 So leave it to them to decide.
36:52 When the Noon League comes into power,
36:54 they will try to do it themselves.
36:56 I am requesting you
36:58 to do it.
37:00 It is my own thought.
37:02 I don't understand.
37:04 I am telling you my own thought.
37:06 And secondly, if you understand this,
37:08 then you see that
37:10 everyone in our institution
37:12 does accountability.
37:14 Everyone takes you
37:16 to accountability.
37:18 There are dozens of such judges
37:20 who do your accountability.
37:22 And here, the other institutions
37:24 have a law,
37:26 they have a procedure,
37:28 they have a principle.
37:30 They go around inside themselves.
37:32 And they
37:34 neither go outside nor come inside.
37:36 Now I am telling you
37:38 that in this,
37:40 I wanted to tell you
37:42 that when you
37:44 compare it with the Sheriff,
37:46 there is a lot of difference.
37:48 In that,
37:50 the person who
37:52 broke the law,
37:54 he had a right
37:56 with the government
37:58 that they would
38:00 only act against him
38:02 under Article 6.
38:04 And you know that they did.
38:06 But
38:08 you know that they were
38:10 powerful people.
38:12 And after that,
38:14 they had no better
38:16 working relation with the Sheriff.
38:18 So I think that whole matter
38:20 has gone far back.
38:22 Sir, I will ask you one last question.
38:24 The way you tried to do something against the Sheriff,
38:26 the matter went wrong.
38:28 If you try to do something again,
38:30 won't the matter go wrong again?
38:32 The government,
38:34 except that
38:36 they send a judicial reference
38:38 against the people of the judiciary.
38:40 And the people
38:42 who have done all this,
38:44 tried to experiment,
38:46 they should send a written report
38:48 against their institutions.
38:50 Maximum, this is what the government can do.
38:52 Unlike Musharraf's case,
38:54 where Vifak had the right
38:56 to take the case of Article 6 to the court.
38:58 Thank you sir.
39:00 Thank you very much.
39:02 Mr. Aruel Azgad has finally answered the question.
39:04 He says that in this matter,
39:06 the government can send a reference
39:08 against the people of the judiciary
39:10 in the Supreme Judicial Council.
39:12 If they can send a written report
39:14 against the people of the judiciary,
39:16 this is maximum what we can do.
39:18 But the case of Musharraf,
39:20 was a different case,
39:22 where Vifak could initiate the case
39:24 under Article 6.
39:26 This is what maximum Noon League can do.
39:28 But it is important that Mr. Javed Ateeb's statement,
39:30 which is very famous,
39:32 that we will not call the workers
39:34 for welcoming them to Lahore airport
39:36 because they have come by ambulance,
39:38 they have come for marriage,
39:40 Sheikh Aruel Azgad says in the direction of Noon League,
39:42 this is a foolish statement.
39:44 Which marriage season is it?
39:46 I will tell you after the break.
39:48 Welcome.
39:58 A strange incident has happened in Lahore,
40:00 which also tells us
40:02 that unfortunately,
40:04 in our country,
40:06 how human beings are treated,
40:08 which in some other countries of the world,
40:10 there is a disaster.
40:12 In Lahore, the eye infection,
40:14 and this is not the eye infection
40:16 that I was also infected with,
40:18 or whose case I have also been to in Karachi.
40:20 This is another matter,
40:22 that some people who are affected by diabetes
40:24 or other diseases,
40:26 their eyes are affected in a different way.
40:28 There were some complaints
40:30 that those who are suffering from
40:32 any of these diseases,
40:34 an injection is being given to them
40:36 in the name of treatment,
40:38 and in fact,
40:40 because of that injection,
40:42 they are suffering from this disease.
40:44 What has happened?
40:46 Why has this happened?
40:48 How is this happening?
40:50 Let's talk about this.
40:52 The Minister of Health of Punjab
40:54 is with us,
40:56 Prof. Dr. Javed Akram,
40:58 and our correspondent of ARY,
41:00 Mr. Hassan Hafeez is with us.
41:02 I am very thankful to both of them.
41:04 Mr. Hassan, quickly tell us,
41:06 before I go to the Minister,
41:08 that this is not the same thing
41:10 that it happened suddenly
41:12 that one disease started
41:14 giving wrong treatment in different places
41:16 with just one injection,
41:18 which started affecting people's eyes.
41:20 How did this happen suddenly?
41:22 Thank you very much, Wasim.
41:24 This incident which was suddenly
41:26 affected and came out,
41:28 this was happening long time ago.
41:30 You are right that
41:32 the eye is a separate thing,
41:34 which is in different eye diseases.
41:36 Like you were affected,
41:38 I was affected.
41:40 But this scene which came out,
41:42 this was not sudden,
41:44 but for the last year and a half,
41:46 an injection is used,
41:48 which is used only for cancer patients.
41:50 For the patients of diabetes,
41:52 whose eyes are affected,
41:54 this injection is given to them.
41:56 And now this thing has come out
41:58 that the patient is suddenly
42:00 coming out.
42:02 If this is being used for the last year and a half,
42:04 then why are people's eyes
42:06 affected?
42:08 Basically, when greed and mafia
42:10 came into the field,
42:12 at that time, these things
42:14 and cases started coming out.
42:16 Earlier, there were SOPs.
42:18 A big injection was used
42:20 in a sterilized environment
42:22 and it was transferred to
42:24 other vials and injected
42:26 and it was given to the patients.
42:28 It was given to registered people and doctors.
42:30 This mafia which came out
42:32 a little while ago,
42:34 what they did was
42:36 they were unregistered people,
42:38 they were people with no education.
42:40 They transferred this injection
42:42 from the vials
42:44 without following SOPs
42:46 in a strange way.
42:48 They transferred it to the vials
42:50 of insulin injection
42:52 and then applied it to the people
42:54 because it was infected.
42:56 When it is infected and the eye is the most sensitive part,
42:58 when it is applied to the eye,
43:00 then it will be able to affect
43:02 the eye to such an extent
43:04 that people will be worried
43:06 and they will contact.
43:08 Health Minister is also present at the moment
43:10 and people contacted him suddenly.
43:12 This is the mafia that cannot be controlled.
43:14 This was happening in the presence
43:16 of the inspectors
43:18 of the Drug Regulatory Authority.
43:20 The Government of Punjab has killed
43:22 15 drug inspectors.
43:24 Let me ask the minister.
43:26 Minister, tell me
43:28 how painful it is
43:30 that a person is deprived
43:32 of his eyesight
43:34 because of a wrong decision
43:36 or because of a mistake.
43:38 One thing is that doctors treat people
43:40 and there can be a mistake in it.
43:42 But this is not the case.
43:44 So, one thing that can be avoided
43:46 is that a person is deprived
43:48 of his eyesight
43:50 or his quality is affected.
43:52 So, this is a very heavy price
43:54 that someone has to pay
43:56 because of a wrong understanding
43:58 or a mistake.
44:00 I think that we are once again
44:02 being ashamed
44:04 of the Pakistani world.
44:06 This vaccine
44:08 is basically
44:10 a monoclonal antibody
44:12 which is approved
44:14 for cancer patients
44:16 in Pakistan
44:18 and in the US
44:20 and in the FDA
44:22 and in the European authorities.
44:24 Some doctors
44:26 have seen that
44:28 this is an off-label use.
44:30 It is not approved for use
44:32 in eye disease at all.
44:34 But some doctors' experience says
44:36 that it can be effective
44:38 in people who have
44:40 bleeding in the eye due to diabetes
44:42 or over the age
44:44 their eye has degenerated
44:46 or the retina.
44:48 They have got some good results
44:50 but it is still not
44:52 indicated that it is an off-label use.
44:54 So, off-label use
44:56 has a protocol.
44:58 I have also used off-label drugs
45:00 personally.
45:02 I have given chloroquine in COVID
45:04 and many other medicines like malaria
45:06 and ivermectin.
45:08 But I have given it in a controlled situation
45:10 with the approval of the FDA
45:12 and I have studied it.
45:14 I have given it in such a way
45:16 that I had to give
45:18 an update every week
45:20 that I have given this medicine
45:22 to people and it has
45:24 been effective.
45:26 And then they gave me approval.
45:28 But this is...
45:30 - Sir, I am feeling technical.
45:32 If I make it easy, correct me.
45:34 Some doctors, based on their different
45:36 methods, did not follow the rules
45:38 or the regulatory authority.
45:40 They thought that this could be
45:42 a better treatment.
45:44 Is this the way it is?
45:46 - Yes, it is.
45:48 - So, you will just call it a simple mistake
45:50 - No, no.
45:52 I will call it a clinical mistake.
45:54 But the crime happens after this.
45:56 Look, this injection
45:58 comes in a
46:00 28,000 ml
46:02 100 ml bottle.
46:04 And when they applied it on the eyes
46:06 as an experiment,
46:08 the company did not approve it.
46:10 The company is not even indicating
46:12 the dosage.
46:14 So, the doctors thought
46:16 that one sign is to apply 2 ml
46:18 empty in 100 ml.
46:20 It is too much. The eyes are small.
46:22 I apply it on the eyes of cancer patients
46:24 personally.
46:26 But I don't know how
46:28 they reached the dosage of 1.25 ml.
46:30 It is a very small dosage.
46:32 So, their boil
46:34 is 100 ml and
46:36 it costs 28,000.
46:38 It is okay. You apply 1.25 ml
46:40 and when you open the boil,
46:42 you have to discard it after 4 hours.
46:44 Or you can apply it to someone else.
46:46 After 4 hours, it will get infected.
46:48 Now, when they
46:50 did this,
46:52 the companies came in between.
46:54 The dispensers came.
46:56 They thought that
46:58 they can give the small boil
47:00 to the doctors.
47:02 So, the doctor
47:04 is taking money from the patient.
47:06 If he takes 10,000 from the patient,
47:08 then it becomes 8,50,000 rupees
47:10 from a boil.
47:12 It can be of someone's profit,
47:14 who reconstituted
47:16 the small boil
47:18 and put it in the syringe.
47:20 Now, the place where they put it,
47:22 that place is not licensed
47:24 to do what they did.
47:26 Neither is there
47:28 a lamellar flow, nor is there
47:30 infrastructure, nor is there sterility.
47:32 And the prime purpose of doing this
47:34 was to save some money, right?
47:36 Yes, absolutely.
47:38 About 8 lakhs in one boil.
47:40 So, they should be behind the bars.
47:42 The doctors, suppliers, medical staff,
47:44 should be behind the bars.
47:46 The dispensers
47:48 were working.
47:50 Now, the dispensers are absconders.
47:52 The police are not so far.
47:54 But we sealed that place.
47:56 And this happened at Mandiram.
47:58 Chaudhary Manzoor comes to your program
48:00 from the People's Party.
48:02 He called me this morning.
48:04 I was in the middle of a conference.
48:06 Thank you, sir.
48:08 I understood.
48:10 I understood.
48:12 I came to Mandiram because Chaudhary Manzoor
48:14 is with his brother.
48:16 He made a video statement.
48:18 He contacted me.
48:20 Otherwise, many such cases had come
48:22 and gone.
48:24 And no one knew.
48:26 It was a bigger incident than the incident.