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"Nawaz Sharif Ka Arrest...", Mohammad Malick
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- Muhammad Malik (Senior Analyst)
- Shahbaz Rana (Economist Analyst)
Interior Minister Sarfraz Bugti’s big statement regarding Chairman PTI
"Nawaz Sharif Ka Arrest...", Mohammad Malick
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening, I am Meher Bukhari.
00:16 Today, we are going to talk about the Supreme Court ruling that the Supreme Court has not yet been able to pass the Supreme Court ruling and the Ministry of Justice has issued a notification of suspension in the Cypher case. After which, the judge of the Cypher case, Abul Hasnaat Zulkarnain, will be suspended.
00:32 The Supreme Court ruling will determine the future of the two former prime ministers, Minis Chairman Tehreek-e-Insaf Election and Nawaz Sharif Judges, in the future. As for the selection of the former characters of the other team, there was no room for it yesterday or today.
00:50 In an interview, the Chief Minister, Anwar-ul-Haq Qatar, has revealed that transparent elections can be held without the help of the chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf or the jailbreakers.
01:02 However, in this interview, he also explained that it is not right to have any unpolitical interference in the elections.
01:08 How can a political party's oversight be a guarantee of transparency in a election-like mirror? This question is important in its own right, but has it come for a short time?
01:18 Can the Chief Minister determine the next five years of the former prime minister's politics? Tehreek-e-Insaf has declared the elections unethical and unlawful without the chairman of the PTI.
01:28 Tehreek-e-Insaf's translation says that the statement of the Chief Minister is a sign of the state's insensitivity.
01:36 However, a short while ago, the Human Rights Commission has reacted harshly to the statement of the Chief Minister, Anwar-ul-Haq Qatar. The HRCP says that the courts must now determine the crimes of Imran Khan and his followers.
01:49 The supervisory government should be removed from its mandate and should be free from un-democratic, irresponsible and biased statements.
01:57 The first responsibility of the supervisory government is to create a free, transparent, fair and fair election environment in the country.
02:04 The statement says that the Chief Minister should be aware that this will not be a one-sided decision by him or his government. This is the most important point that has many roots in itself, on which we are silent.
02:17 A statement by the Chief Minister is related to the chairman of the PTI and a statement by the senior leader of the People's Party, Khursheed Shah, is related to the Chief Minister.
02:28 Do you think this is the right impression that Shabba Shariq was given a letter and he announced that name?
02:39 Yes, absolutely right.
02:39 And was Raja Riaz on board or was he also given a letter?
02:42 He was given a letter.
02:44 Let's talk to the Chief Minister of the supervisory government, Mr. Mukti.
02:51 Mr. Mukti, thank you very much for your support.
02:53 The Chief Minister says that a transparent election can be held without Imran Khan.
02:57 This means that the former Chief Minister will not be released from jail until the election.
03:01 Look, Ms. Mehra, thank you very much. This decision has to be taken by the courts.
03:06 We cannot take this decision.
03:09 The courts are in a process of taking their cases and they will decide when they will be released before or after the election.
03:18 Sir, tell us, HRCP has given a very harsh statement against your government and the statement of the Chief Minister.
03:26 Mr. Kakar's statement that elections can be held without Imran Khan is also against democracy.
03:34 It is anti-democratic and ill-judged according to HRCP.
03:37 Look, I think that the statement of the Chief Minister has been taken out of context.
03:42 The purpose of his statement is what I am also saying.
03:44 In Pakistan, it has happened that many former ministers or the Chief Minister have been in jail and the election process has been done.
03:53 So, the election process should be done.
03:55 Everyone should get a level playing field in that.
03:58 And if Mr. Khan is in jail because of those cases, then the election cannot be postponed because of that.
04:04 The election cannot be said that it was not done properly.
04:08 If he is in jail and the elections were done as Mr. Mianawar Sharif was in jail, then the elections should be done.
04:14 Sir, has it been taken out of context or in the context?
04:18 Because HRCP has reminded the Chief Minister that the courts have to prove the crimes against the former Chief Minister and his party leaders.
04:25 The commission has shed more light on Mr. Bukti.
04:29 The Chief Minister should be aware that it is not possible to make a unilateral decision for him or his government.
04:37 And you have to get fair elections done.
04:39 The government should refrain from giving unresponsive, biased statements on such matters.
04:45 You have been warned that this does not fall under your mandate.
04:49 The incidents that have happened in the past, the biggest incident is of 9th May.
04:59 I am saying everywhere that this is an organized conspiracy against Pakistan, against the state of Pakistan.
05:07 And in that, the people involved, the prosecution department or the prosecution, are being sent to the courts for trial.
05:15 The courts will decide whether the prosecution is guilty or not.
05:21 So, it cannot be ignored on the basis that you attack military installations, you burn the memorabilia of our martyrs.
05:31 You make such a big conspiracy that it is an organized conspiracy against the army, a conspiracy of rebellion.
05:39 And it should be ignored on the basis that elections are going to take place, so it is not a special group,
05:46 not a political group. It is an organized conspiracy.
05:50 And there is no doubt about it.
05:52 I am not saying this, but those people who are disassociating themselves with that political group,
05:58 the core committee members who were in senior positions there,
06:03 they are saying that this was a big conspiracy against the military, or what is military, it was a conspiracy against Pakistan.
06:10 So, the attempt to create a divide between the people and the army, we have seen its practical example on 9th May.
06:19 But it failed, and then we saw the incident of Chitral, how the people have supported their army.
06:26 The people of the whole of Pakistan are with the army, that divide, that conspiracy has failed.
06:32 But whoever has done that conspiracy, shouldn't they be punished?
06:35 No, no, punishments should be given.
06:37 This is what HRCP is saying, that until there are no punishments,
06:39 you should refrain from commenting and giving statements,
06:43 without proving that you are a Minus Chairman or a Minus PTI.
06:47 So, your statements should not be apolitical or neutral.
06:51 You are giving a political statement, Mr. Minister of Justice.
06:55 Look, if Minus Imran Khan keeps those courts in jail,
06:59 I cannot go to the courts and say that we have to hold elections,
07:03 so give us Imran Khan for a few days, and then we will put him back in jail after the elections.
07:07 This is not possible. We have a system going on,
07:09 the law of prosecution, judiciary, takes its own course,
07:15 and if someone is being abused, then remedies are obtained from the courts.
07:19 Look, we have a lot of cases, from the last one week,
07:23 that in many places, it is felt that the accused is the darling of the court.
07:29 I feel that Mr. Khan is the darling of the court.
07:33 He has received remedies in many places, which a common Pakistani cannot even imagine,
07:38 that he should have a hearing, non-bailable warrants,
07:41 and he should not go to the courts on those warrants, and no one should say anything to him.
07:45 We have never heard this in the past.
07:47 And this is the first time in the history of Bar-e-Sagheer that leadership goes to jail,
07:53 so jail does not make a difference to your political movements.
07:58 I think that the courts are present, whatever remedies they give, it should be accepted.
08:02 It is like this, sir, but you forget that you have also worn the cap of the Minister of Interior,
08:07 you are again calling a former Prime Minister the darling of the courts,
08:11 and at the same time, there is an open contradiction, and calling the chairman of a big party the darling of the courts,
08:18 but the convicts of the other big party, who are also convicted, are now sconders,
08:24 your cabinet says that they will bring back the protocol of the third time Prime Minister,
08:30 don't you see this open contradiction yourself?
08:33 Look, I am not just saying to Khan, I have used the word accused,
08:38 so that accused is Khan for now, and as far as Nawaz Sharif is concerned,
08:43 we have no grudge against Khan, except that we understand,
08:50 I do not understand this as a Minister of Interior, but as a Supreme Court Judge,
08:55 that whatever happened on 9th May, and there is circumstantial evidence of it,
09:00 the lawyers who are in jail on 9th May, meet them and come out,
09:06 don't they go and tell Khan that your workers, or the people of Tehrik-e-Insaf,
09:11 or the people of Pakistan, burnt the military installations of Pakistan,
09:17 burnt our memory of the martyrs, so they could have come out and said that it is Khan's message to remain peaceful,
09:23 but they came out and said that Khan is saying to remain firm, so what does that mean?
09:27 So what it means is that as far as Nawaz Sharif is concerned,
09:30 the news is coming on the media, we have not made any protocol for him,
09:34 nor has his protocol been discussed or decided with us till date,
09:39 so that is also a matter of the courts, the courts will come as accused,
09:44 we will arrest them, present them in the court of law.
09:47 So you are not coming as accused, but as a convict, Mr. Bukti,
09:51 there is a difference between accused and convict,
09:53 the law is in the preparation for Nawaz Sharif's return,
09:56 the courts are in need of Mr. Bukti, you have brought in the Grand Minister,
09:59 if Mr. Bukti comes back as a convict, will the government arrest him?
10:04 If not protocol, have you made the arrangements for the arrest?
10:08 For that, we don't need so much preparation.
10:11 Look, a convict comes and gets off the plane,
10:16 and to take him from the plane to arrest him,
10:20 we don't need a big army, you know that the airport is a sensitive place,
10:24 we will not allow a mob there anyway,
10:27 so if they don't get bail from the court, then they will have to be arrested,
10:31 and I think they themselves will want to be arrested,
10:34 because you know that once, in the past, they knew that I was being arrested,
10:38 so they came to be arrested with their daughter.
10:41 So there is only one leader of Baris Aghir who is afraid of being arrested,
10:44 I have not heard of any leader running away from arrest.
10:48 Mr. Minister, again so much prejudice, and that too on the injury of the convict,
10:53 open prejudice?
10:55 This is the truth that I am saying,
10:59 you call it prejudice or whatever you call it, this is the truth.
11:02 Okay, this is the truth in its place, but are you ready to arrest the other ministers who are coming?
11:09 Yes, of course.
11:11 Okay, so sir, they have abused their bail as well,
11:18 according to many lawyers,
11:21 so they went on tours all over the world,
11:24 they went from here without medical leave,
11:26 will you pursue this issue or will it be pursued at the level of Punjab?
11:31 Look, I think it is time to comment on this,
11:35 we have not gone through any thought process about this,
11:38 nor has this come up anywhere in the discussion before,
11:41 so I always avoid commenting on things that I am not so sure about,
11:51 so you should comment on what you know.
11:54 This is not a two-way street, that the Punjab government will have the biggest role in this,
11:59 they will be the key players in this,
12:02 we will at least guide them in policy making.
12:07 The People's Party has put a question mark on the Punjab government,
12:11 they will not do anything about this,
12:13 but the conviction has been made from Islamabad,
12:16 that is your domain,
12:18 you have the right to make all the arrangements,
12:20 you have the right to declare any place as a jail,
12:23 be it Punjab House, Marriott, Serena, wherever,
12:26 that is also in your domain.
12:29 Look, there are no two opinions on this,
12:32 if they are the convicts of Islamabad,
12:34 they are our subordinates,
12:37 and we have to give them policy,
12:40 so declaring all these jails is also the right of the government,
12:45 the right of the Interior Ministry,
12:47 that according to the circumstances,
12:52 whatever decision they take,
12:53 you know there are many leaders in the game,
12:55 who are in different places,
12:59 in the Irrigation Rest House,
13:00 Asif Ali Zardari, Respected Benazir Bhutto,
13:03 Shaheed, and Nusrat Bhutto,
13:06 there are many people who are in different places.
13:10 Mr. Bhukti, Nawaz Sharif is again coming with anti-establishment statements,
13:15 which he was probably brought here to begin with,
13:18 he was also sentenced to death,
13:20 he had to stay in London for 4 years,
13:22 and Mariam Nawaz says that she is very upset with Nawaz Sharif's return,
13:26 will the government accept this statement,
13:30 or are they just waiting for the death penalty?
13:34 I agree with you 100% that if we want to move forward,
13:39 then the real issues of Pakistan,
13:41 Pakistan has become a soft state,
13:43 that is a real issue,
13:44 smuggling in Pakistan,
13:46 smuggling of dollars in Pakistan,
13:48 smuggling of oil in Pakistan,
13:50 Afghan trade in Pakistan,
13:51 illegal foreigners in Pakistan,
13:54 freedom of movement,
13:57 terrorism,
13:58 narcotics,
13:59 what is Pakistan,
14:01 inflation,
14:02 those are real challenges,
14:04 so if there is a debate on the real challenges of Pakistan,
14:07 in prime time,
14:08 then I think that is more appropriate.
14:10 Sir, you are giving such statements that
14:12 one is the darling of the courts,
14:15 the other is third time,
14:16 so I think there will be a debate,
14:17 but maybe Mr. Syed is admitting,
14:20 that the fight of the former PM was with General Bajwa,
14:24 and PDM,
14:25 Muslim League Noon,
14:26 became its beneficiary,
14:27 and PDM was getting support from the co-establishment,
14:31 Rana Sanaullah has also said that
14:33 the former army chief was given a chance to compete with the chairman of PTI,
14:37 it was a part of a larger strategy,
14:39 he interpreted it as political wisdom,
14:41 and made it successful,
14:43 this means that in return for Mr. Bukti's chance,
14:46 they got a 16 month government,
14:48 and now there is another deal going on.
14:50 I was not a part of this deal,
14:53 and I do not know about it,
14:57 so the people who are commenting,
14:59 they can give a suitable answer to this,
15:01 that what deal are they talking about,
15:03 and have they got any help,
15:05 but our information is that,
15:07 because I have been in touch with Baluchistan Army Party,
15:10 so at that time,
15:11 the friends were saying that
15:12 maybe it was said to support Khan Sahib,
15:15 but people did not support Khan Sahib,
15:17 and our parliamentary group in National Assembly,
15:20 was recorded by Khalid Maksi.
15:22 But Mr. Bukti, this is a big issue,
15:24 and they are talking about their own Muslim League,
15:28 and maybe Khan Abbasi said that
15:30 if they had to settle this issue,
15:32 they could have done it in 16 months,
15:34 but you yourself mentioned that,
15:36 you have been asked to do this many times,
15:38 will you confess to this?
15:40 It is a past incident, let's move ahead.
15:42 Why are you making me a criminal?
15:45 It is a recent incident,
15:47 we have not lost our memory,
15:49 but let's move ahead.
15:50 Mr. Muhammad Ali Durrani is claiming that
15:52 there is a hot head for "Masalihat"
15:54 between the establishment and Chairman PTI,
15:56 and he also says that Mr. Tariq-e-Jadid's leadership
15:58 does not want clashes,
15:59 but wants "Masalihat".
16:01 Is it possible?
16:02 "Masalihat" is always a better thing,
16:05 but with whom?
16:07 This is definitely important,
16:10 and this dialogue is also a science,
16:13 and this fight is also a science,
16:15 and both are done in a position of strength.
16:18 So, in a position of strength,
16:20 Chairman PTI is not there,
16:22 so you cannot see this happening,
16:24 but is the crime so big that forgiveness is obtained,
16:26 or is there no possibility of that?
16:28 In the past, the state has always played the role of a mother,
16:33 for the first time the state has been seen
16:35 on the role of a father,
16:36 and I think the state should always play the role of a father,
16:39 the state should never be soft,
16:41 to the extent that the state,
16:43 I am not talking about Imran Khan,
16:46 I am talking about terrorism,
16:48 if you look at it,
16:49 if you look at it in terms of Baloch Nationalists,
16:51 the state has always played the role of a mother,
16:54 and the role of a father is not seen anywhere.
16:57 Mr. Mukti, because it comes directly to you,
16:59 the former Prime Minister has not been transferred
17:01 from Attock to Adiala Jail yet,
17:04 this was also in the news all day,
17:06 it was wrong,
17:07 he is still in Attock Jail,
17:09 so you have to transfer him further,
17:11 have you made all the arrangements for the facilities?
17:14 Even before this, he had facilities in Attock Jail,
17:18 and those facilities have been deposited in the Supreme Court,
17:21 and the facilities in Adiala Jail should be given to him,
17:26 because his security is very important,
17:28 we will not disclose whether he has been shifted or not,
17:33 and especially on this forum,
17:34 on which you and I are talking.
17:36 Thank you very much,
17:37 Nigran Wazir-e-Dakhla was with us,
17:39 he has given us a lot of news,
17:40 that all the arrangements have been made,
17:42 the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif will get off at the airport,
17:44 so an army is not required,
17:47 he will be arrested very easily.
17:51 Viewers, the media was also saying that
17:54 the former Prime Minister is the darling of the Judicial Court.
17:59 Viewers, the status of the punishment of Chairman PTI has changed,
18:03 all the under trial prisoners of Islamabad are in Adiala Jail,
18:06 why is the Chairman PTI still in Attock Jail?
18:08 Why not in Adiala Jail?
18:10 These remarks were given today by the former Prime Minister and Chairman PTI
18:13 on the request of the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court, Amir Parooq,
18:16 to transfer Adiala Jail from Attock Jail.
18:19 At the end of the hearing,
18:20 the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court, Amir Parooq,
18:23 ordered that the Chairman PTI be transferred from Attock Jail to Adiala Jail,
18:27 but his Adiala Jail has not been transferred yet,
18:30 and the Ministry of Justice has issued a notification of closure
18:32 in the Attock Jail of the Cipher case,
18:34 after which the special court of the Cipher case,
18:37 Judge Abul Hasnazul Qarnain, will end the case tomorrow.
18:39 On one hand, the court has decided on the Chairman's case,
18:42 on the other hand, Lahore Police have arrested PTI worker Sanam Javed again.
18:47 Sanam Javed has been arrested from within the Kot Lakhpat Jail.
18:52 Among the prisoners, Sanam Javed, Afshan Tariq, Ashmiya Shuja, Shah Bano were present,
18:58 while the Chairman PTI and his party's election,
19:04 Nigran Wazir Azam Inwar Ul Haq Kakar,
19:06 was faced with many questions and pressure on the international stage.
19:11 Do you expect former Prime Minister Imran Khan to be part of the upcoming elections?
19:16 I think he is already part of the upcoming elections.
19:19 I don't see why a query is even raised in that context.
19:24 His party is registered with the Election Commission of Pakistan.
19:28 It's a legitimate political body, along with many others.
19:32 He has faced many challenges in the legal system.
19:35 Well, that is for the legal system and the judicial process to respond to.
19:40 Let that path be pursued in a way which is being offered by the constitution of Pakistan,
19:50 whereby we have a lawfare of our own.
19:52 I think it's absolutely absurd.
19:54 Absurd in a way that it is the Election Commission of Pakistan who is going to conduct these elections,
20:01 not the Pakistan military.
20:02 The current Chief Election Commissioner has been appointed by Mr. Khan.
20:09 So, as someone who is his appointee, why would he turn, in any sense of the word, against him in person?
20:18 We are not pursuing anyone on personal vendetta.
20:22 But, yes, we will ensure that the laws prevail.
20:26 Anyone, be it Imran Khan or any other politician, who violates, in terms of their political behaviour,
20:34 the laws of the country, then the restoration of the law has to be ensured.
20:40 Interesting times ahead.
20:43 Let's take a short break.
20:44 After the break, we will move on to the most important news.
20:53 From the election of the Chief Minister to the sending of a new Chief Minister home,
20:57 there are many secrets buried in the heart of politics, which are now on the tongue of the politicians.
21:02 The head of the Muslim League, Mushahid Hussain Syed, is unveiling some of the fixed matches of politics.
21:07 The issue of Imran Khan, that fight was fought with his side, and we became his beneficiaries.
21:13 Just like that soft coup against Mr. Mian, in which the judiciary was used,
21:17 this soft coup against Imran Khan, in which there was a parliamentary roll.
21:20 So, he brought the PDM?
21:22 Yes, he brought them together.
21:24 The joint operation was objective, that we will get a leader, and our enemy will be finished.
21:28 The second important aspect of politics is connected to Nawaz Sharif's return.
21:33 And though the former Prime Minister, Shabaz Sharif, is once again giving the security of Mian's return,
21:38 he says that Nawaz Sharif's program is final, and he is coming to Pakistan on 21st October.
21:43 It is possible in the London Hangami meeting, the decision of return has been renewed.
21:49 The program is final, and Mian Nawaz Sharif is coming to Pakistan on 21st October.
21:54 And we will welcome him with the security of Pakistan, and we will welcome him with a great history.
21:59 According to the former Minister of Law, Rana Sanaullah,
22:03 the legal team has prepared a plan to save Nawaz Sharif from possible arrest on his return.
22:08 And the report based on the various options has been sent to Nawaz Sharif.
22:12 A week before Nawaz Sharif's return, the legal team has sent a separate request
22:16 for the security of Nawaz Sharif's bail.
22:20 Nawaz Sharif will surrender the bail on the next day of his bail.
22:25 And though Mariam Nawaz has claimed in the past that she will not let him go to jail on his return.
22:30 Nawaz Sharif can come back to his country, but I will not let him go to jail.
22:36 Nawaz Sharif will come, but he will not go to jail.
22:38 He will also get bail, because these jails are not his fate.
22:41 This aspect of politics is connected to the political statements of the UNOON League.
22:45 The irony is that Mr. Mian wants to get the support of those non-political figures
22:49 who have cast their vote for Tawsi in London for the sake of employment.
22:54 The UNOON League has decided this journey in the last three years.
22:57 There was a political phase at the UNOON League when the ban was also banned,
23:02 that is, no comments, next question please.
23:05 And now the matter has reached the courts.
23:07 The court says that the general Baajwala stole the law and took his name.
23:13 Next question.
23:15 I know that way, and that way is very easy.
23:19 You just have to join hands, you just have to clean your shoes.
23:23 That is an easy way, I know it too, I know it very well.
23:27 This is not a story of decades, it is just yesterday when the discussion of the settlement of the Ayin Shikand was very popular.
23:33 Mr. Mian's own government gave him a long medical leave and sent him back to his country.
23:37 At that time, the court decision against General Musharraf was also expressed by the Pak army with great anxiety and anxiety.
23:44 In our program, Muslim League's senior leader and close friend of Nawaz Sharif,
23:48 Barrister Zafarullah was present, who said that this desire of the occupation is equivalent to hitting an axe on his foot,
23:55 while Mushahid Hussain Syed is calling this desire to the military.
23:59 What action will General Baajwala take against General Faiz?
24:04 These people are national criminals, a case should be filed against them,
24:08 these people should also be brought to justice.
24:11 Should they be punished? After seeing the case, I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing but hitting an axe on your foot.
24:19 You have to file a case for the future Chief Justice, a case for the former Army Chief.
24:25 If this work goes on like this, it will be a military coup.
24:30 There are many questions in these stages of politics, the senior journalist Mohamad Malik is talking to the questioner.
24:36 Thank you very much, Mr. Malik.
24:38 Mr. Shabaz Sharif, which is the most important message, statement, whose delivery London has reached urgently?
24:44 I think you have started getting the results of it.
24:47 After that, neither has Maryam given a statement, nor has Mr. Mian's second statement come.
24:52 And you will remember that a news had come earlier, when this was their famous speech, three or four days ago.
24:59 After that, there was a meeting, and after that the tickers went on, that they have reiterated those things, repeated them,
25:06 and after an hour and a half, the Muslim League itself removed those things from all channels,
25:13 that no, no, no, no such thing happened, no such thing happened again.
25:17 I think the main issue is that I think they have played a little bit too soon.
25:25 Obviously, they are very confident, and they also know that PMLN is indispensable at the moment in the larger scheme of things.
25:32 Especially if you have to give an alternative to it in Punjab, to PTI,
25:37 so despite the fact that Imran Khan is inside, despite the fact that his top leadership and intermediate leadership are either inside or underground,
25:46 so you still need a political force to oppose them.
25:51 So, PMLN may be indispensable in the larger scheme of things, but I think the question is whether Mian Sahib is indispensable or not.
26:01 So I think that is a very crucial point.
26:04 And today you saw yesterday, and today, it was probably Sayyed Sahib's statement, not that he is a senator,
26:11 he said that, "I have heard the story of Mandela that there should be generosity, and he is talking about the future, that we should leave revenge."
26:18 So I think that the results are coming, and I don't think that Mian Sahib will repeat these things.
26:25 But Mian Sahib is not one of those who have learned lessons from history, although history has taught him some very strong lessons.
26:33 In this context, this statement of the ethnic cleansing, given the circumstances, is just to heat the blood of the workers?
26:40 No, you tell me, seriously, what kind of issue is this?
26:44 The issue is people, electricity bills, people's issue is inflation.
26:48 I think that he saw a surge in popularity of Imran Khan, and he said that this surge is unclaimed,
26:59 Khan Sahib is inside, the rest are left out, so I will adopt it.
27:05 But look, I always say that more than Khan Sahib's popularity, the unpopularity of the PDM, which is the biggest burden,
27:14 and the powers that be, these people are more angry.
27:18 Khan Sahib will go into it by default.
27:20 You have just seen the World Bank report, which is their special report,
27:24 in that they have said that in the last year, 1.25 crore people have gone below the poverty line.
27:31 From 32, it has increased to 5-6, 5-5-2, and the population has increased.
27:37 Under the poverty line, absolutely.
27:39 2.5 crore people have gone below the poverty line.
27:41 Now they are the poorest of the poor, now there are poor, very poor, then poor, then low middle class, then middle class.
27:49 So out of 24 crore, 12-13 crore people are those who are in danger of their livelihood,
27:56 and the problem is of the poor. At the moment, the revengeful politics shows a disconnect.
28:01 I don't think it will be such a big deal to get blood shed.
28:05 I think they overplayed a little, and there is a disconnect between PM LN Hawks and the other leadership.
28:14 Now, all the people you must have spoken to, all the top leaders I have spoken to,
28:19 who do not want to say on the record, believe me, none of the top people said that the angle taken by Mr. Mian is correct.
28:30 So, and I think, if the message had to be given normally, then there was no need to call Shabaz Sharif.
28:38 There was no need to fly him and go back in 24 hours.
28:42 Absolutely.
28:43 I think the display has been shown by doing so much public diplomacy or snubbing, whatever you may call it.
28:52 But everyone knew that Mr. Nawaz Sharif would come and go back in 24 hours and come in the background of this statement.
29:00 So what would be the effect of this?
29:03 Before today, the impression was that this is a settled matter, that PM LN will come forward,
29:10 the coalition will be formed, the coalition will lead, and it is possible that Nawaz Sharif will lead that coalition.
29:16 But I think after this development, if we do not do damage control here, or at least do not be silent in this matter,
29:23 then perhaps, as I said before, it is better not to make the mistake of considering it indispensable.
29:31 Because, see, Rana Sinhaullah's statement, I do not remember, perhaps he said in your program,
29:37 that when he was told that you are doing a lot of baajwa, you gave an extension to General Baajwa.
29:44 He said that he was compelled to do so.
29:46 It was a strategy.
29:47 But, Patak Ran Imam, Manik Saab, the Minister of Internal Affairs was saying in our program just now,
29:52 that sorry to interrupt you, sir, that he is also ready to arrest Nawaz Sharif.
29:57 Is this also a clear signaling?
29:59 Before this, no one from the caretaker set-up said that we are ready to arrest him.
30:04 Yes, see, by law, he will be arrested there.
30:09 They have made a plan that Mian Saab will come, then he will go to Minar-e-Pakistan,
30:14 and then he will be arrested.
30:16 I do not think this option will be there.
30:18 And even if he is arrested, I think it is good for his political optics.
30:22 He will come and say, "Okay, I have come, I knew I would be arrested."
30:26 And the case is such that I think maximum of one or two days will be in the quarry, if it happens.
30:31 So, that will also be a bail, etc.
30:34 So, logically, he should be arrested, which is legal.
30:39 If, till now, the bail is a big time, it is possible that he will be arrested.
30:43 Anything can happen between them. You are absolutely right, Manik Saab.
30:46 But, as of today, the relationship is...
30:48 Mariam Nawaz has been made in charge of Nawaz Sharif's arrival preparations, not Shabaz Sharif.
30:54 Is this owing to the last stunt he pulled off when he could not reach the airport?
30:58 Is it again a trust deficit here?
31:02 No, look, the transition has been completed.
31:05 Earlier, Hamza Shahbaz used to do all the organizational work.
31:09 You always see Hamza Shahbaz in the role of a second fiddle.
31:14 I think now this debate is over as to who has the party's legacy.
31:19 Mian Saab categorically made him the senior Naib Sadar, when he made him the party's chief organizer.
31:25 So, that is a very big position.
31:27 Everyone thought that if there is someone in the party, then Hamza Shahbaz should be the chief organizer.
31:32 Hamza was always known to organize everything, the party structure.
31:36 So, the person who made him the party's chief organizer, he was the one who made sure that the future leadership...
31:41 So, how important is it for you that Nawaz Sharif is doing a stopover in the Gulf countries before coming to Pakistan?
31:47 You know his relationships and you know that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Asr al-Rasook, how much influence do these countries have on our politics?
31:55 There has been a generational change in Saudi Arabia, Mariam.
31:59 Mian Saab's relationships were with the previous generation.
32:04 The new generation, Mohammad bin Salman, you see, he is a totally different breed.
32:09 He is a totally different aura.
32:11 He is connecting with youth in his thing.
32:13 He came here and he connected with Khan Saab.
32:16 Then Khan Saab allegedly made some loose comments on Turkey and their Saudi Arabian issues.
32:21 He says that after that, there were some distances.
32:23 But I don't think those are old things.
32:27 Now, there was news that Mian Saab was told from a friendly country that there could be a threat.
32:34 I think the people who are telling the news are pointing towards the UAE, even if they didn't take the name.
32:41 We have seen some such things in the past.
32:44 So, I think if he... I will see his trip, whether he stays in the UAE or not.
32:52 But I think the UAE will be the deciding factor.
32:55 Whether he is coming on 21st or the schedule is going up and down.
32:58 Because I don't think we have heard such a thing from any Saudi source.
33:03 But I told you, the real problem is that needlessly they have put an uncertainty in a power equation.
33:09 And I was saying in a program yesterday that they are much smarter than you and me.
33:16 They have become Prime Minister three times, so it's not a joke.
33:19 So, we can't try to teach him anything, obviously.
33:21 But I think Mian Saab misses one thing every time.
33:25 And that is that he is not able to differentiate between the office and the person in office.
33:30 When he talks to an army chief, he doesn't realize that he is talking about that office.
33:37 He is not a person.
33:39 And every time he does the same thing.
33:42 Even now, when he made a whole story.
33:44 So, today's establishment will also be a former establishment in the future.
33:48 So, if everyone sees this pattern, that whoever is a former establishment,
33:53 their Mian Saab is ready to do everything and everything.
33:57 Then there is an uneasiness.
34:00 This is why you get an extension.
34:02 Then we see in 16 months, you don't talk about anything.
34:05 Your brother was the Prime Minister, then we didn't see any revolution.
34:09 So, I think these flip-flops, they are more harmful.
34:14 Less beneficial.
34:16 I think it's more harmful.
34:18 Is it still possible to negotiate with the chairman of PTI, Malik?
34:21 Look, if you look at the animosity of the personal level,
34:27 in Khan Saab and the person that matters,
34:31 it seems very difficult.
34:33 But I think the more complicated the equation is,
34:36 I don't rule it out.
34:38 In politics, they say anything, it's the art of possible.
34:42 It can be done.
34:44 And I don't see it right now.
34:47 But as he said today, when this statement was made to Mian Saab,
34:51 and the whole conversation started,
34:53 Mian Saab has needlessly given everyone a reminder,
34:56 that I am the one.
34:57 And what can I do?
34:59 Can you trust me completely?
35:01 I ask you, if you are sitting where we are talking,
35:06 will you be comfortable or uncomfortable with this statement?
35:09 Keeping in mind the history.
35:11 And you think that if a fourth time the prime minister will be made,
35:16 and the way, the facilitation that will be made,
35:20 then the institution has also burned its own ships again.
35:24 Then the hardline cannot be like that with them.
35:28 This is now a calculated risk more than necessary.
35:33 It is no longer a simple thing.
35:36 Okay, Imran is out, A is out, B is in.
35:39 Now let's move on.
35:41 B has again given an indication that my real thinking is the same aggressive,
35:47 and the same thinking.
35:49 I am not willing to move on.
35:51 So I think he has created a complication.
35:55 Thank you very much.
35:56 Senior journalist Mohammad Malik was with us.
35:58 We will be right back.
36:06 The international financial institutions have the power to form the new leaders of Pakistan.
36:11 The financial empire has first made agreements on the financial independence of Pakistan.
36:16 After which, they give the order to the political and other arrangements,
36:20 considering Pakistan as their own.
36:22 These words have been said by the former chairman of the Senate,
36:24 Mian Azarabani, in a statement.
36:26 Viewers, he further says that today,
36:28 the National Finance Council has been proposed by the World Bank.
36:32 And if this is done, then the decision of the loyalty cabinet and the ECC will not remain binding on anyone.
36:38 Raza Rabani raised questions on the World Bank's proposal and said that
36:42 this is an open intervention in the governance of a free state.
36:45 Raza Rabani further said that the way the foreign embassies are visiting strategic areas
36:51 and commenting on the internal affairs of the country,
36:53 this is certainly a new face of the East India Company,
36:56 which is currently attacking Pakistan.
36:59 When Raza Rabani is expressing these concerns,
37:02 the International Financial Institutions of Pakistan are repeatedly warning about the economic situation.
37:08 Pakistan is currently at a very important and crucial turn.
37:13 And if the decision is not taken soon, then the situation in Pakistan can get worse.
37:18 We have with us the lead reporter and journalist on the economy, Shabaz Rana.
37:24 Shabaz Rana, thank you for your time. In the latest report of the World Bank,
37:29 it has been emphasized that until taxes are imposed on agriculture and real estate,
37:33 as well as immediate measures such as a reduction in expenses,
37:36 the country's economy will remain on the side of declining, which will further increase poverty.
37:41 And according to the World Bank, at present,
37:43 nearly 40 percent of Pakistan's poverty is below the line of 9 crore, sir.
37:48 Thank you very much.
37:51 I would like to say two or three things.
37:54 One is what you mentioned in your intro, Mr. Raza Rabani's statement.
37:58 He is a respected politician in Pakistan. He has a big name.
38:02 But I would like to disagree with him on one thing.
38:06 No one is sitting here by force.
38:09 If you do not need the help of international financial institutions,
38:13 then cancel their NOCs and send them back from Pakistan.
38:17 They are sitting on your NOCs. They are not sitting by force.
38:21 You have made agreements with them.
38:23 And if they give policy advice, which is sometimes binding and sometimes non-binding.
38:29 The World Bank has just issued seven policy notes, of which five were more focused.
38:35 This is a non-binding recommendation for the next government.
38:40 And they have done a good analysis of every sector,
38:43 where Pakistan is standing at the moment, what changes should be made.
38:48 And what will happen if it does not change? And what will happen if it does change?
38:52 If you equate all these things, that we have become an East India Company,
38:57 then it will not be appropriate.
38:59 Now, you take an example.
39:01 I myself have been a big critic of the policies of these leaders.
39:04 We all criticize it, whether it is the IMF or the World Bank.
39:08 Tell me, a country like Pakistan, where there is so much poverty, unemployment and inflation,
39:14 we do not have a number of poverty after 2018.
39:20 So if the World Bank gives a number with its own estimates,
39:23 that 40% of Pakistan's population is living below poverty,
39:29 then our institutions, which I think there are no restrictions on PBS,
39:35 on the Bureau of Statistics, on the Planning Commission,
39:39 on the State Bank of Pakistan, cannot produce such numbers.
39:43 They should be encouraged.
39:45 Or they work only when they have to take a foreign loan.
39:49 Or if there is an internal fight.
39:51 But Mr. Shabaz Walid, in the past two weeks, we have seen a reduction of Rs. 44 in the dollar.
39:57 But this reduction has also come as a result of action against smugglers,
40:00 the fight we are talking about.
40:02 This has more to do with the strength of the money than the organization.
40:05 On the other hand, we see that there are 13 billion dollars of mutual funds,
40:08 which are restricted on the Dharamdaat because they are stable.
40:11 And the reserves have to be maintained with the help of the Tehsilat-e-Zar.
40:15 Meaning another administrative measure.
40:17 When the PDM government ended, the dollar was around, I remember it was around Rs. 286-288.
40:24 And from there, the jump it made to Rs. 306 in the Interbank,
40:28 and the open market rate went up to Rs. 333, that was wrong.
40:32 It was artificial, it was speculative.
40:35 The state, the Adhar, the State Bank of Pakistan had to crack down on it.
40:40 So far, in the market, throwing a dollar is not reducing the value of the dollar.
40:45 The value of the rupee is not improving because the dollar is being thrown in the market.
40:49 If everyone takes the state for granted,
40:51 whoever is thrown in the market will buy a thousand dollars, five hundred dollars and keep it at home.
40:59 In the hope that tomorrow, its rate will increase and I will be profitable.
41:03 You cannot afford this dollarization of the economy.
41:06 And these people who are taking action today, in the past, their eyes were closed on all these things.
41:09 So if their eyes are open today, this is good.
41:12 Yes, you are absolutely right that the fundamentals of the economy are improving,
41:17 and because of that, it is improving. No, it went up artificially and in the same way,
41:21 it is being brought back by the force of the stick.
41:23 When they throw dollars in the market, or they force the banks to keep a certain rate,
41:30 then we will say that they are doing wrong. They are not doing wrong yet, number one.
41:33 Number two, you said that the foreign currency, well, they tell you 13 billion dollars,
41:38 it also has private reserves.
41:40 Our actual state bank of Pakistan's ownership is about 7.5 billion dollars.
41:45 And this is a critical level, in which you have at least two to two and a half months worth of imports,
41:55 it is still below that.
41:57 And because it is below that, we are not getting any policy, budget support, loans from outside.
42:03 So we are standing on a critical situation.
42:05 According to the situation of the economy of Pakistan, if you look at the value of the rupee,
42:10 then by and large, I am not going to give a number on it, people quote numbers,
42:15 which are given by the state bank of Pakistan itself, the number of real effective exchange rate.
42:19 According to that, the value of the rupee in the market at the time when they gave that number,
42:23 the rupee was 10% under value.
42:26 That means that the correction that is happening in the value of the rupee is getting better.
42:30 But now, sir, speaking of the dollar, Mr. Dar is also coming back.
42:34 I wonder what he believes, what he has to say about all these things.
42:38 If you have any information, please share it.
42:41 Whether we like it or not, Mr. Dar's view on the exchange rate is correct.
42:48 Now, everyone is believing that the IMF is saying that if your rupee is weak,
42:57 then you will have a competitive advantage in the international market and your income will increase.
43:03 This is not the case. In the last 16 months, 60% of your rupee value has decreased.
43:09 And despite that, your exports have decreased by 12 to 13% in the last four years.
43:14 So economic theories are not working in Pakistan.
43:17 Mr. Dar's view on this is known.
43:19 But Mr. Dar, what is not happening now, which was happening at the time of Mr. Dar,
43:22 that the value of the rupee in the market was being artificially controlled.
43:26 I will not call it artificial control.
43:28 If someone is doing injustice to the state, then the state has full authority to take action against it.
43:33 Thank you very much.
43:34 Mr. Ashib Azrana is with us.
43:35 According to the report, the exchange rate of the Sunni, Ifrat-e-Zar and Dar-e-Shomariyat is 38.6%.
43:41 Just think about it.
43:42 That's it for tonight. Good night and I'll see you tomorrow.