Hoosier Roundtable: Trey Galloway Player Preview, IU Basketball Media Day Takeaways
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00:00 Hello everybody and welcome to the Hoosier roundtable podcast. I am your host Daniel Olinger
00:05 I'm joined by my great co-host Jack Ankeny who also works via Hoosiers now calm Jack. How are you doing today?
00:11 Doing good Daniel excited for basketball season. I'm sure we'll get into a lot of topics today, but yesterday was fun
00:17 Yeah, so yesterday on Wednesday, September 20th. We were at Simon scoot assembly hall
00:24 I'm saying scoot right? That's the one thing I when I came here. I was like I
00:28 Scott yeah, I knew I was gonna get that wrong the first time because I I looked at that
00:33 But that can't just be me is that there's the other Indian. Oh, I'm sure
00:37 Yeah, I'm sure people avoid it all together
00:39 SK o JDT like
00:43 Okay, so but we were at assembly hall yesterday for IU basketball media day got to talk to so many players on both teams and
00:52 coaches Mike Woodson and Terry more and
00:54 Bothout coming off very successful seasons that very strangely both ended in the second round against Miami still as I'm sure
01:02 No, Indiana fan will soon forget
01:04 And we're gonna talk to you today about some of the things we took away from those media days
01:08 also, we can mention some stuff about maybe the schedules that have come out now for both teams and
01:12 We're we're gonna start today a player preview series for the men's basketball team starting with Trey Galloway
01:19 So Jack, I think I'll kick it over to you
01:21 What's something that really stuck it stuck out to you from Mike Woodson's a opening presser?
01:25 Yeah, I think from a from kind of a national perspective
01:28 The way that Indiana has kind of been portrayed or maybe viewed from a lot of people is that you're losing trace Jackson Davis
01:36 You're losing Jalen Hutch Fino for starters in total. I think seven scholarship players
01:41 It kind of seems like the cliche, you know rebuilding year or something like that
01:45 And and what's and certainly rebuilt the roster, but I don't think he's using that as an excuse
01:52 to say
01:53 You know
01:54 We can have a down year or or we can take a step back and kind of focus more on the future
02:00 you know that might end up happening that they that they're not as successful, but
02:04 the quote that to me that said out that
02:06 From him was he's like, you know
02:09 My clock is ticking I want to do everything this year and you could really tell that he had a sense of urgency
02:15 To not treat this season as like, you know, we got some young pieces
02:20 You know, let's build for the future
02:22 You know, he is still setting the same goals like he always says Big Ten title and national title
02:28 You know, I think he said that in every
02:30 preseason
02:32 Availability says it all throughout the season
02:34 He specifically said that he specifically said because he hasn't won a national title that he failed his first year
02:40 Just like right so a very bold thing to say. Yeah, he's setting a high bar and you know, whether or not they
02:46 They reach those goals. We'll see
02:50 I think you know, obviously national titles is
02:54 seems
02:56 Pretty out there big time, you know, Michigan State and Purdue
02:59 Are viewed as kind of the big favorites, but I think you know between him and Xavier Johnson Xavier
03:06 He got a sixth year. That was never really supposed to happen
03:09 I just got a sense that both of them, you know have a sense of urgency this year. They're not
03:15 Just treating it as a rebuilding year kind of how I feel like it's been framed by a lot of people
03:21 Yeah, well, I I was on a show yesterday
03:24 I think it's coming out later this week and I was that's kind of stuff I was asked and I did say I was like
03:29 I used the word transition year
03:30 I believe or like kind of like it's more a lot of it
03:34 I feel like from an outside views like
03:36 After all the progress that was made last year is just not letting a complete drop off like it
03:41 Maybe they aren't as I don't think most people predicting them to be as good as they were last year
03:44 There's a number of horsey in the tournament, but I do think people are hoping it's not like Oh
03:47 Indiana losing record or bottom team the big time conference like no like
03:51 Definitely have to like raise that up a bit
03:53 This cannot be a complete fall off which I I definitely things happen in I I think it's the right mentality to have for
03:59 Like what's and we talked about this before like how it applies on the recruiting trail just he
04:03 It's almost like that thing
04:05 You know how people will say um
04:07 You have to be kind of delusional to think you should be president of the United States
04:10 You might need to be a little delusional to be Indiana basketball coach because it's an important job like it's one of the five
04:16 Five ten and whatever most important basketball programs in the country
04:20 So if you think you're good enough to be the coach there
04:22 You kind of have to have this idea that none of this is like unachievable
04:26 It is not out of the ordinary to say I can win the national title big ten title each year
04:30 That's like a big standard there
04:31 And I think Mike Woodson being someone who is a part of that legacy building really understands that in a way most of their coaches
04:38 like a lot of other coaches before him could not like that yeah, he kind of has that sense of like
04:42 He knows what Indiana basketball like how important supposed to be so he's like he does not know
04:48 He's talking about he doesn't go easy on his players. He doesn't want people going easy on him
04:51 He like he has a very high standard for what this is Indiana basketball supposed to be which we already knew about him basically
04:58 but it was just more confirmation that like
05:00 The only said a year where the expectations are a little bit lower for the team where there's a lot of new pieces people trying
05:06 To figure out what it's gonna be like he's not gonna say oh
05:08 But he's not at the end of the year if he's getting criticized they had you have a poor record
05:12 He's not say oh, but we had this and this he's like no. Yeah, we failed. He's not afraid to like he's not afraid of that
05:17 Yeah, no, and I think that's kind of a commendable way to look at it to not just be oh
05:22 You know we're satisfied with with this and that and I think kind of the big picture perspective on the season is
05:29 It's really tough to say like right now
05:33 Just how good there be I they're going to be I think
05:35 It's fair to say that I mean obviously they're entering the season with much lower
05:42 Projections for most people than they did last year
05:46 Kind of the more I've thought about it. I feel like it might be a season where the first half or so
05:53 They're kind of mixing in with a lot of these different
05:57 Rotations kind of figuring out what works best and and wasn't was pretty candid yesterday, and I don't I mean
06:02 I'm maybe he knows what the starting five is or has an idea
06:05 But I think it's fair if he if he really doesn't have an idea or he wants these this next month or so
06:11 To be the biggest factor, but he's like yeah, I mean, I I don't know what our lineup is going to be
06:16 I don't know what the rotations are gonna be like I'm still figuring that out
06:18 And you know I think he was being pretty honest when saying that I mean he might have an idea of what the five is
06:25 You know if he had to make a lineup right now
06:27 But I think a lot of the season at least in the start is going to be tinkering with some stuff
06:33 And I think it's also fair to say that there's talent on this roster
06:38 You have the two veteran guards and then between him Baca where renew those those guys were all super highly recruited that
06:45 If two or three if you know two of them reach their full potential
06:49 You know this team has the talent to kind of come on strong at the end of the season
06:55 If Woodson is able to figure out how to get everyone to play together the right rotation things like that
07:01 Yeah, and you mentioned where they're and I wanted to ask you about him
07:04 So that's the question you asked like what's in them like kind of how the narrative around?
07:09 Well where was he an up-and-down season or again like a lot of people question his
07:12 work ethic and how he played on the court and all that kind of stuff and
07:16 Woodson was very upfront about that
07:18 And I first wanted to share kind of we'll talk about this more when we eventually get to our co-op where player preview
07:23 But I was telling you about it afterwards how I I feel like maybe there's a thing with motor flow
07:29 But like I don't know how we can know that without knowing him or having watched him even more
07:33 Especially at Indiana because I feel like people need to realize when you're seven - you just don't look like you have a high motor
07:39 All the time because you do move slower than other humans
07:41 So let's just go it's hard to get your body parts to move in coordination
07:45 We know there's if you ever as you ever seen a tall person who doesn't play basketball
07:48 It's hard to watch sometimes like they don't they do pretty slow
07:51 It's like when you're that big like everything just kind of moves a little bit slower
07:55 And that's like probably maybe a weakness of clothes games
07:57 He's not very quick or not not very twitchy in that sense
08:00 But I don't know that's a motor problem or is just like yeah, Kahlil's just gonna move a little bit slower out there
08:05 It's a little bit harder for him like he's obviously it looks a lot like and then they Xavier Johnson and Trey Galloway might have
08:11 My higher motors in color where they also have the advantage that they can just naturally move a lot faster than they ever can
08:16 So it's easier to look like that
08:17 So I I do think that color where like can be very good for them and that I would not like
08:22 If any of the fans are worried because the narrative on followers. Oh, he was lazy in Oregon
08:27 I would say at the very least wait on that like I do not think I think just after one year seeing a like
08:33 18 year old seven to Center who has still probably growing into his body is really large body
08:38 Looked a little rough in terms of motor last year. I would not like just write him off because of that
08:43 Yeah, and I think that's a trope that like a lot of freshmen College of basketball players get
08:48 you know, it seems like a pretty traditional thing like
08:51 How do you learn how to play hard like that was the thing that we talked about with Malik or knew a lot last year
08:57 Like he had some of those, you know
08:59 a lot of foul trouble stuff like I don't think that I get that Kahlil had higher expectations to use a top ten recruit and
09:05 everything like that, but I
09:08 Almost feel like it's something that you can kind of expect with freshmen where it's
09:11 You need to learn how to adjust to college and everything like that
09:15 And I was talking to him in the individual breakout kind of sessions and and I asked him like if he considered
09:22 not even just
09:24 Indiana but like what kind of went in into his decision to return to college in general as opposed to going pro because
09:31 You know, he was on mock drafts as a maybe a first rounder after what many people consider a disappointing first year
09:38 If you're over seven feet tall can kind of shoot at least enough and like have that wingspan
09:43 like you won't go first round maybe if you were bad enough, but like
09:46 Teams will take a chance. It's just the physical tools at a certain point. They're like, oh that team would say in the second round
09:51 Okay, let's just see if maybe we'll figure it out
09:53 Yeah, and I thought I thought his response to that was was pretty promising because it wasn't that
10:00 he came back to college because
10:02 You know he
10:05 He you know
10:07 Didn't think he was gonna get drafted or anything like he came back because he recognized that he had things that he could work on
10:12 And that he could if he could come have a great year at Indiana that
10:15 You know the NBA will be there and he saw that Woodson had you know is a coach that's going to push him
10:22 I think he really liked that he saw
10:24 You know that there's playing time obviously with Trace and race gone
10:28 And so I think he's a really interesting player to kind of keep an eye on I know he's he was one of the bigger
10:33 moves of the offseason, but
10:36 I'm really interested to see what Mike Woodson can get out of him this year
10:40 Yeah
10:41 And that's kind of like what's in the saying he basically a challenging flow where they're saying this and that about you and like you could
10:46 Get drafted, but if you want to go back to being a first-round picker
10:49 So there's gonna be a sophomore if you can have this great year
10:51 Like you you prove people like if you prove what they said about you at Oregon wrong
10:56 Like you'll be thought of like you were when you were coming out of high school
10:59 So I think it's like kind of the promise no
11:01 I obviously don't I did not like specifically ask Mike Woodson that but that's kind of what I I feel like his message was to
11:08 Kahlil was that like you could settle for that
11:10 But if you want it to be better you can come here and I'll help it get better
11:13 So and like shifting to the women's side here before we start the Trey Galloway preview
11:17 I feel like and you can talk about this
11:19 But I feel like a lot of the focus was basically on a lot of the national title
11:23 Expectations like like that. This team is that guy good
11:26 they have so many obviously losing Grace Berger's a huge part, but basically everyone else is back and they're a very very talented team and
11:33 Just but also with those national expectations that were there last year late in the season
11:39 How they're recovering from that a very disappointing second round loss for them
11:42 Yeah
11:43 I think one of the questions that really stood out to me was was kind of about that Miami game and Sidney pair said, you know
11:50 We're not throwing that game out. We're not forgetting about it like
11:53 that's that's one that no one has really gotten over and they're kind of using it as more of a
11:58 motivation tactic as opposed to
12:01 You know you hear after some bad losses, you know throughout the film or you know
12:05 things like that coaches or players say but
12:07 It's a lot harder to throw out the film when it ends your season, right?
12:11 Right, so I feel like they're using that as kind of a you know, we don't want to feel this way again
12:18 We have a chance even after losing Grace Berger to be a final four national title type team
12:24 which I think really speaks to what Terry Morin has built where they're kind of at the point where
12:29 the last few years the narrative was kind of wow, you know, look what Terry Morin has built and
12:35 Now it's kind of look what she's able to sustain
12:39 Which is kind of impressive I think
12:44 Just from a program whole perspective that you can lose someone with the legacy of Grace Berger
12:50 I
12:51 Know they're returning people like Mackenzie Holmes and a ton of ton of others
12:55 but you know losing Grace Berger is a big loss and and it doesn't seem like there should be a
12:59 whole lot of drop-off and in my opinion and like a big reason mind that I
13:04 basically asked this to like every one of the women's basketball players and those one-on-ones afterwards because the starting lineup is
13:11 Pretty much like they would issue to say it but we kind of know it's gonna be Sarah Scalia
13:15 Sydney Parish Chloe more McNeil Mackenzie Holmes and yarding our zone
13:19 And obviously that's four seniors and one sophomore in yard and who had one of the best freshman seasons imaginable
13:24 But we it was not said directly like she's taking the Grace Berger role and they're obviously different players
13:29 But that kind of feels like it's being hinted at it's like and that's what yard of a saying or interviews
13:34 Just she wants to be more aggressive this year her senior teammates were saying we want we want her to be more aggressive this year
13:39 I think it's it transitions from yarding can occasionally takes one one-on-one
13:43 but it's mainly just playing as a spot-up player cut her off of
13:46 McKenzie and grace when she was here and all the other players and more
13:49 Hey yard and like it's seven seconds off from the shot clock
13:52 we're giving you the ball you ISO and score right here because
13:55 that I think they're trusting yard is like
13:57 You you are good enough to like go out there and get buckets on people
14:01 I think that's like kind of the main thing to watch is just
14:04 After she had such a perfect freshman year like about as good as you can possibly get
14:09 How much better like she gets specifically how much more she develops as a often triple creator?
14:14 yeah, and I think one of the interesting notes more and had was
14:17 You know you kind of mentioned the grace Berger type comparison
14:22 and I think maybe more specifically where more and said that she sees it as kind of the opportunities to
14:29 Post yard and up down low kind of like me good with burger like you think Jordan's pretty pretty tall
14:35 yeah, you know you think of them as guards point guard shooting guards, whatever you want to call it, but
14:39 With kind of the strength that burger had and obviously the height and length that that guard zone had that can be a pretty dangerous
14:47 weapon
14:49 To be able to play a player like that in post up situations
14:52 Because it's essentially almost like a four guard lineup with with McKenzie
14:57 Like maybe you consider parish a small forward or it's it's for players who can create off the dribble or on the perimeter
15:04 Right the center which in like that's the great thing about it set like Sidney parish yard and guard zone bring like wing size
15:11 While also being able to do guard stuff, which is why they're a great basketball team
15:14 It's like because that's versatility right there is that they're not they're not
15:18 Constricted to like very specific roles like no
15:21 Yeah
15:21 the floor perimeter the only one who has like a very specific role in the main rotation is McKenzie Holmes and that's because
15:26 McKenzie's very specific roles very she's very good at it. Yeah, actually so you don't really need to ask her to go more outside of that
15:34 But yeah, that's pretty much all I think I had for me
15:37 It is doing transition into the player preview for Trey Galloway. I know anything else you want to touch on Jack
15:41 I mean, well, we'll dive into a ton more, you know in the next couple weeks
15:45 We have a ton of stories coming out on the website
15:48 Those were kind of my main takeaways
15:50 There's there's plenty more to dive into but I think for the time being those are kind of the thing that's that stood out to me
15:55 All right, so getting into a very specific players again. We're gonna be going through pretty much all the men's basketball roster here
16:03 We might have some player producer wins basketball rosters. It's TBD podcast
16:08 Podcasts of airtime space is limited occasionally. So we're we'll let you guys know of that. But uh, we're gonna start today with Trey Galloway
16:17 Very recognizable Indiana player. I think a fan favorite of many if that's correct Jackie incorrectly that if I'm wrong
16:23 Yeah, he always seems to be the you know
16:26 The player that at least on social media and stuff is always, you know getting lots of support and you know, rightfully
16:34 So he's someone that people always see playing hard and things like that
16:37 So he's definitely developed into a fan favorite and I think that'll continue this year, you know, he's a captain and everything. So
16:43 Yeah, I'd say that's accurate
16:46 It's not hard to tell me I thought I was gonna have the best hair in the gym yesterday
16:50 But that's a Trey walk out there. It's like I guess yeah, yeah
16:55 So a brief statistical overview on some of a trade that last year he averaged
17:00 6.7 points per game three rebounds for game 2.1 assists per game shot not great on two-pointers only
17:06 47.2% shot
17:08 46% on threes however, although as we'll get into the volume there for the shoes
17:13 I'm just pretty much it's gonna be the biggest talking point. His his accuracy was really good did not take a ton of threes, though
17:20 No, and like I'll have enough some context for that later
17:24 He only shot 29 for 45 on free throws last year about 64%
17:28 And that's again going back to like not a ton of shot attempts and trays like guys
17:32 Trey is not like gonna be a high volume score
17:35 Even if he is more aggressive this year is just not he does not take a ton of shots
17:39 Usually that is generally what the case is for true tray and that's why he doesn't shoot that many free throws
17:43 57.8 true shooting percentage is like for a college basketball player, especially it's pretty good
17:49 Again, the hyper accurate three-point percentage really helps that he started seven games in 2021
17:55 Then three in 2022 before starting 25 games in 2023 again a lot of that because X got hurt and obviously he had stepped
18:02 Into the backcourt starting role there
18:04 Listed currently, I believe I had it's on CBB reference was six four two hundred ten pounds
18:10 It's it's so hard to get like perfectly accurate. It's like measurements or something guys
18:14 Some people lie some of them haven't been updated. It's whatever but yeah
18:18 And now I think we're gonna this so we'll give the statistical overview for each of these basketball players that we preview and we're also
18:25 Going to give you some
18:26 Remind if they were returning players from last year give you some games that stuck out from what they did last year either good or
18:31 Bad and Jack I think I'm gonna hand it over to you for that
18:33 Yeah, you know Trey had you know, there's a lot of games that you could use the phrase
18:39 You know don't show up in the stat book of you know of where he played
18:42 Well, but kind of the ones that do stand out initially
18:46 I remember that that Michigan State game January 22nd that was at
18:51 Assembly Hall he finished with 17 points
18:56 3 for 3 from 3 4 4 from the free-throw line
18:59 5 for 8 overall and I remember I went I would occasionally go into the
19:05 opposing teams press conference after and I
19:08 Remember is always saying, you know
19:11 So much of their attention was on trace and on on Jalen as was you know
19:17 The case for it's for so much of the year
19:18 He's like, you know, we didn't expect Trey and I think it was tomorrow Bates hit three or four threes that game, too
19:24 He's like we didn't expect Bates and Galloway to to knock him down like that
19:28 And that's really where Indiana was at its best last year was when they could get Trey
19:33 You know to knock down outside shots and he increased his percentage by about 25% which was pretty
19:41 pretty incredible
19:43 Obviously not super high volume only to a game but seemed like he made some some very important form kind of tweaks
19:51 That that helped with that get more arc on it things like that
19:55 I
19:57 Remember that game is as a really kind of signature Trey
20:00 Galloway game. I
20:03 Think both Purdue games he played well specifically the the one at Purdue
20:10 Statistically 13 points five assists four rebounds
20:15 Only credited with one steal, but I think in both of those Purdue games
20:20 he
20:22 He made life really difficult for trace
20:26 Trey does not have like the wingspin or burst to like get a ton of steals or blocks of that
20:30 but I
20:31 would say anyone wants to know how good train but a good of a defender tray is like go watch like the North Carolina game where
20:36 He's guarding denying Caleb love off the ball. The dude is a maniac and the highest compliment like pureness
20:43 He will make it tough on you
20:45 This is like when they had Trey X and Jalen hood ship, you know
20:48 Like healthy all the start of the year just they can make life so miserable for teams all of their sides all of their speed
20:54 Just denying the ball pressuring out like even if you don't get the steel either
20:57 Making them waste time in the shot clock or forcing them to catch the ball there. So that's hard to get into their sets just
21:03 Trey does not let you get away with stuff on offense like he makes it again
21:07 It's like you have to have all your fine details, right?
21:09 It's Trey is just he's pretty relentless on that end pursuing and like getting around screens
21:13 Pretty well built physically like pretty strong guy. So like can absorb contact - it's really good at all that stuff and
21:20 Obviously like the big talking points we've kind of hinted at was the three-point shooting and how it shot there
21:25 And that is like it's revealing when you say like he jumped 25 percentage points because you any statistical person would tell you
21:31 That's a little bit unreliable. You don't know if it's that much not like that probably means that's not what he's probably somewhere in the
21:37 Middle of there. He's not a 46% three-shoot point shooter. He's not a 21% three-pointer shooter
21:42 it's probably close to 34 35 something like that and the volume is so key because
21:47 To put it in the context
21:49 So he shot four point three attempts per 100 and when I say pro 100 per 100 possessions a lot of people like to use
21:55 That because it adjusts for pace because you know some teams like play so super fast
22:00 So like they're gonna get it up a ton of shots no matter what other teams like, Virginia
22:03 I've dragged the game into the mud and like all their stats look very low volume such as how they play
22:07 But yeah for attempts per 100 and Miller cop last year
22:11 Who himself like shot a lot but like had?
22:15 Sometimes passive shots that people wanted him to take still and he shot just under eight three-point attempts per 100
22:21 So nearly double what trace what a Trey Galloway did and that's even with I think Miller cops best season at Northwestern
22:27 He shot around 10 or 100 100. So there is like it's not something like Oh trace needs to take one or two more
22:34 It's like no, it's like
22:35 Essentially you have to double your attempt rate
22:37 It's like a good way to think about it if you wanted it trade a hit like quote-unquote high volume three-point shooting
22:42 And this is kind of what I was touching on with you yesterday after the games that I think
22:46 Some of that is mindset like there's can be more times
22:49 He can be aggressive off the dribble or just taking threes and I I think he will be in that sense
22:54 But also part of like getting a lot of threes up is your shooting form and how quickly you can get your shot off
22:59 How tall you are like it's easier for those guys who are bigger to give a shot
23:02 And while trace shooting from like you said is improved. He's still like it's a bit of a hitch
23:07 It's a bit of a set set shot
23:09 Like yes
23:09 The thing really perched on his shoulder
23:11 Takes a few set takes like a solid second to get into it kind of like I think he goes up with it
23:16 And then like moves it to the side a tiniest bit and so it's just it's not a quick release
23:20 It's not super clean or fluid and then also when you had that awkward shoulder form
23:25 It's like the
23:27 Transition from dribbling the basketball if you are to pulling that it can make pull-ups really tough if you have like not a very fluid
23:33 Form because you kind of can't like especially when college defenders are really good like they close space fast
23:37 Like you just do not have a ton of time there
23:40 So if that makes sense I again it's going back to like I don't know how much like Trey Galloway not shooting a ton of threes
23:46 Is his actual mentality versus like it's just hard to do that with the way you shoot the ball
23:51 yeah, and I think that the the thing to really look at with trade this season is
23:57 He's not someone that
23:59 He's gonna go from two attempts to five attempts a game, you know, and I don't think he should either
24:06 I think if he can be in that
24:08 three and a half
24:10 four and at four
24:12 range and shoot
24:15 87% I know that would be down 9% from last year
24:18 but if that's with more volume or you know more attempts, I think you take the
24:22 little decrease in in percentage because I also think you don't want him to
24:28 limit himself to just
24:31 spot up threes or taking
24:33 Contested threes that you know, that's not his game like he excels
24:37 So much also when he's driving to the basket kind of with his hair on fire
24:42 Like sometimes it's like, you know, it seems like he's not gonna be able to control himself
24:47 But you know, then he'll be able to find, you know, a little pocket pass or I was real
24:52 I was pretty impressed with his passing when I yeah
24:55 We're on film like he's not like, you know
24:57 Some generational passer but he can find there is again
25:00 It's two point percentage is pretty low because he did it since he's not like the most springy or twitchy athlete
25:05 He would have a few floaters that miss the rim off our tie up the backboard
25:08 Like he'll throw some up in traffic where it didn't have much of a chance
25:11 So although that's exactly I think Trey's just that's more of a give-and-take thing and pickable
25:16 I don't think Trey's thinking on every possession
25:17 I need to get downhill and try and get something at the basket
25:20 It's more I'll go for it
25:21 They have it there, but I think trade does know what his role is on the offense, right?
25:26 and I don't think he's going to
25:28 you know, I don't think he's gonna just start trucking a bunch of
25:32 Unwarranted threes, I think he's still gonna be smart about picking his spots
25:37 but I think just naturally like with Miller gone and with tomorrow gone and
25:42 Even hood Shafina, like I think he'll just naturally have more looks
25:47 I think he'll play a little bit more than the 27 minutes last year. Like you might be closer to the 30
25:52 But it is still valuable to have him as a driver and and kind of you know
25:59 He really likes getting to that floater and can be accurate with it sometimes
26:05 So I think when we talk about
26:07 You know
26:08 Trey needing to improve his volume. It's not so much that he has to change what he's doing
26:14 It's more so that I think the the looks will just naturally come to him more
26:19 You know because of what Indiana lost and and kind of the confidence that came with
26:24 Seeing shots go down last year because I think there were even some
26:29 instances last year and especially his freshman and sophomore year where he just passed up open looks cuz see
26:35 Probably because he wasn't confident is what it what it would or if you're like like he was lower on the rotation
26:41 So you don't want to miss three open threes?
26:44 No, even if they were all good shots if you're not like an established starter, you might just get pulled for that
26:47 So right which is like a real thing like yet Trey probably does not have any more fear of getting pulled like cuz he's a captain
26:53 Like he's not he's one of the best players on the team. So that probably matters a lot
26:57 And I yeah, like you're saying with taking open threes. That's the main thing is Trey just there cannot be like
27:03 Say, I don't know
27:05 X runs a pick and roll the defense helps in from a corner kick to Trey
27:10 He has like 10 feet of space that cannot be a shot
27:13 They can stand there or just like hold it and wait and reset
27:16 No, it's like Trey if you're open
27:18 You have to shoot the three like it does not to be Jack contested threes or we're gonna hunt movement threes for you
27:24 It's that when someone kicks to you and you're open for a spot up three like pretty good open that cannot be pass it up
27:29 Like that's because I think the main thing there is this what we're talking about increasing volume
27:33 It's like when you go from just to a game to four or five the problem to the game
27:37 Even it's that accurate if you're only gonna if the defense knows you're only gonna shoot like once or twice a game
27:41 They're not gonna defend you like a shooter
27:43 Which is really like the offense needs is they need guys to be defended like shooters
27:48 Like that's what how Miller was defended because it helps open up your spacing office
27:51 Which we've talked about if they're gonna play like Malik and hello
27:54 And we're not sure how good of a shooter Mackenzie is yet access in these same shooting volume concerns
27:58 It's like Trey they really need to like at least try and open up some so like if the defense knows it can leave Trey
28:05 Open he's not always gonna shoot
28:07 You're letting them get off like you have to at least say okay, you cannot do that
28:10 You cannot just not help all the way off me and bet that I'm not gonna take this three
28:15 I will take it and you know, I'm accurate enough that like I will make enough of these to hurt you
28:19 Yeah, and I think the other interesting thing with trade this year is I remember like a big storyline
28:25 Kind of at this time last year and really through
28:28 November or really until X got hurt was
28:32 that Indiana was going to have a lineup that it could play essentially with two point guards with X and with Jalen Hodge a Fino and
28:39 When X went down Trey had to play a lot of those backup point guard minutes
28:45 when when you had to give Jalen a rest and I think that turned out to be a
28:50 pretty valuable learning experience for Trey because now
28:54 This season you can almost have it where you have two guys that you trust handling the ball with that stack staggered the lineup
29:02 So one of them is always in the floor, right?
29:04 Right and and that's what Woodson wanted to do last year with X and Jalen and it really never
29:10 Worked out because Jalen had some injuries in the early in the season and then X obviously only played 11 games
29:17 so I think that that was valuable kind of something that you wouldn't have thought was going to
29:23 Translate from last year to this year, but it turns out it did
29:26 And that's not to say that I don't think Indiana will give a chance to Gabe cups
29:33 To run some point. I think that I think he'll get a shot too, but I think it is
29:39 Valuable to have kind of that flexibility
29:41 Whether they're both on the court together Trey and X I'm saying or or to just be able to like you said
29:49 Always have one on the court where you have a ball handler that you trust to get Indiana into it stuff
29:55 Yeah, and what I would say for like trade a point guard like in terms of whenever they do those minutes
30:01 I definitely think that he is good enough of a ball handler
30:05 And especially good enough as a passer that you can at least like you said if X really needs break you can run it through
30:10 Him for a bit. I do think he struggled a little bit
30:12 I think it's on some of the Miami game who obviously had some really good parts of pressure and with just like
30:17 He's not like a terrible ball handler, but he's just not elite
30:20 Like he's not gonna like tear through them or blow it
30:22 So it is like you don't want to have to you don't want the offense could like especially the other teams pressing just hoping that
30:27 Trey can break it or something like that. I don't think that's what you want from him
30:31 And I was not gonna while he can pass fine openings again
30:34 I don't think he's enough of an individual score
30:36 Especially creating shots for himself around the rim to like really create a ton for people to pick them all like he he finds
30:43 openings
30:44 But like it's the difference between that versus what X gets down hill X is enough of a threat to score at the rim
30:49 That it will just create like open looks from three like that
30:52 You would not see the same because of the way they kind of defend him a little bit differently
30:55 Which is all to say just like yeah Trey if it's just ten minutes a game or like five minutes a game trade
31:00 Yeah point that's fine. And that's probably what they want
31:03 It just can't be like it could get a little shaky if it's hey X has three fouls in the first half trace the run
31:08 Point guard for ten minutes straight and then a little bit more in the second half
31:11 Like I think that's just you're starting at a certain point - Trey is so helpful for them
31:16 It's like filling in so many roles feeling like he guards up can guard almost anyone in defense
31:20 Plays like a maniac connective piece can pass can shoot can do what he's such a like perfectly connector piece for all of them
31:27 But you don't want to stretch him too thin like you want to not you don't want to ask Trey to do everything
31:31 No, I would agree with that and I don't really I mean there might be some situations
31:36 it felt like you said if X is in foul trouble where they do, but
31:38 I think it's more of just as kind of a
31:41 something that you didn't think was gonna translate from last year to this year, but it ended up and and kind of to your point I
31:50 Think they could even play some lineups because of Trey's versatility where you have
31:55 X cups and Trey or X Trey and CJ gun
32:01 And kind of do it that way because Trey can guard
32:05 One through three, you know, maybe even a fourth if the guy if a team plays smaller
32:11 I
32:14 Think he gives you a lot of kind of versatility with that
32:17 which which is
32:20 Which is good to have you know on a team and I think that's kind of what what's in obviously he didn't recruit
32:25 Trey but kind of some of his comments yesterday was he feels like he has a lot more
32:31 versatility
32:32 defensively, especially and kind of some length and you know Trey's not a super rangy guy, but like I
32:38 think he does
32:40 You know have kind of that ability to guard multiple spots on defense
32:44 So I think the main thing that people will look with the tray this year is you know
32:51 Kind of can he become more of a volume shooter and and I think a lot of that will determine how high
32:57 Indiana's ceiling is
32:59 But at the same time like he does a lot of good stuff kind of everywhere else that you don't want to just pigeonhole
33:05 success for Trey being
33:08 Improving his three-point shot. Like I think he can take steps in a lot of other ways which he kind of steadily has throughout his career
33:16 Yeah, and I would say to Indiana fans
33:19 Just do not freak out or say Oh Trey has like completely lost it
33:23 say he shoots like two for 20 in the first two games of the season from three because again like it shouldn't be trade and
33:29 Not like just three shots
33:30 You roll from three not trade and not prove like that
33:33 He's an elite shooter like proving early shooters like over four years on a lot of attempts
33:37 You keep making them at that same rate over and over again
33:40 It was again as you would probably attest to most Indiana fans are probably shocked that Trey shot that well from three
33:45 Last year see it's yeah
33:47 You can't you can't the ride that way kind of like he's probably it is very very likely Trey's not shooting
33:52 46% from three again this yeah
33:54 Like we he's versatile enough
33:56 He plays well enough on as like a connective piece without scoring and as on defense that
34:02 Really the only way trade could become a problem is if he completely if he shot poorly and then got lost confidence in the shot
34:09 To the point he stopped shooting because then that means
34:11 Defenses are treating they're just not guarding him on the perimeter, which then that is a huge problem
34:16 That's the only way like that
34:18 there's ever a disaster for traces because otherwise even if he progresses to like a mid-tier shooter on like
34:24 Even roughly the same volume. He still does enough other things for the team that he will be valuable
34:29 It really just cannot be you just can't stop shooting that at all
34:33 You get that that's me some shooting volume, right and he's always going to have value value him and X
34:39 Like I think they have a chance to be a really
34:43 You know strong duo towards the top of the Big Ten in terms of like perimeter defense like they're gonna
34:49 they're gonna make life really tough for some some people like X being a sixth year like
34:55 You saw Indiana's perimeter defense really take a hit last year when they lost X just because they didn't have that guy who could
35:02 Pick up at half-court or even further and and just make things uncomfortable
35:07 And I think Indiana kind of has two guys like that with X and Trey
35:11 Which is a really good start defensively and you know
35:14 We can talk about the bags later on and you know
35:17 the kind of the impact of losing trace and his shot blocking ability but I
35:21 Think when you have two guys up at the top like Trey and X who are gonna kind of get into guys
35:26 I think that's a really good place to start for Indiana defensively and you know
35:31 Mike Woodson has always said like he'll say it a million times this year like
35:35 Indiana success and what he wants starts on defense and
35:40 you know, he's talked about the importance of point guards and veterans and things like that and I think that's what Trey and X are and I
35:47 think if even if shots aren't falling for them like
35:50 They're they're not going to Indiana's not gonna be like a pushover defensive team and it's largely because of that
35:58 No, yeah, I would say especially like I'm feeling about the season the way you are where it could be a little rough for Indiana
36:03 Through the first 10 15 games, but yeah, it's a good coach
36:06 I think they have enough talent that they'll probably figure it out
36:08 and I think if like they're struggling through those first parts of season the way they don't fall off the cliff is probably based on
36:14 Their defense and and their size and just being able to like where I
36:17 Mean, I don't know if any of you know this but like dragging games into the mud a little bit where it's like hard
36:22 For both teams to score and like you you can do it last year sometimes
36:26 Yeah, you can win the great those games sometimes suck to watch suck to scout but man like you can win some games that way
36:32 It's like because every games close then like that
36:34 You have a check you have a chance to win and yeah
36:37 And I also think it's important one of the benefits of trade and access a backcourt is they're both old
36:42 Old old men in cause I bet as Mike Winston specifically said this is an old man out here
36:47 like that I think that's where it is everyone laughs but like that does matter like
36:53 X and Trey are both grown men and playing against like some 19 year olds out there a lot of time. That is an advantage
36:59 They're more physically developed. They played more big-time basketball. They know what they're doing like
37:04 It does that again like there's a very big case of like a lot of Indian success this year's can rely on their veteran
37:10 Backcourt, which we're starting to try it on again. This we've tended a lot of X
37:13 They're gonna be tied to each other through the whole year and we'll get to access player be at some point
37:17 Yeah, I I'm also this is kind of more of a off-the-wall
37:21 topic, but I am
37:24 Interested to see if Trey is going to try to redeem himself and try to dunk on Edie again
37:30 Like he did last year at Purdue which was so close to to working
37:36 And that would have it. I don't know what would have happened. So was the Purdue dunk at assembly or at oh, no
37:42 That was at Mackey
37:44 Like I would say if he done if Trey Galloway dumped on Zack Edie at assembly this year
37:49 I don't they would storm the court the Indian that's it's on the court during the game. Okay, I
37:53 Like I just can't imagine what that the reaction to that would be
37:58 See the fan favorite, Indiana kid don't go on Zacky. Yeah, it was like
38:04 When he took off it was like he's not actually gonna try to dunk on Edie
38:08 Is he and it was like, oh my god, he is and then he almost he almost made it and it was like
38:13 Oh my god like that
38:15 You know you talk about
38:16 Crazy miss dunks like I feel like a lot of people like to bring up that Ola Depot one from a while back against, Michigan
38:23 But like a Trey one was nuts just given like opponent
38:27 Environment like Trey is not see I mean how many dunks did he have last year?
38:32 Like probably I think he had a few fast break dunks cuz he did a good job like rut
38:36 I mean again Trey's a maniac he gets out to run
38:38 So like if they got a steal there was a lot of times like Trey was sprinting at it
38:41 But yeah
38:42 I think what you're saying well the Depot makes sense cuz Trey's uh
38:44 I think a lot of those dunks were two-handed off two feet very like power base like that's a it's like a power based on
38:50 See is pretty strong like yeah
38:51 Bruce like you look at like 2013 Victor Oladipo a lot of those dunks like you're in shock because you don't understand how he
38:58 Exploded that violently off the ground and it's just like you're like, oh my gosh that dude is ambitious
39:04 Like some ambitious dunk attempts, right?
39:07 But at the same time even with Ola Depot was like, all right, you know
39:10 He's like a freak athlete and not the Trey is unathletic like he's he's quick and you know
39:15 But just to see him try that I that stuck in my head. I was like
39:20 I hope I hope we he gets another chance to do it this year just to see if he can if he can redeem himself
39:26 Okay. Well, I don't think we're gonna find a better thing to close on than the hypothetical of Trey Galloway shutting down assembly
39:33 Hall with a dunk over Zack Eaddy. So I think that's we're gonna wrap this player preview
39:37 Jack anything you want to say on trade before we get going? No, I think we covered it all I think
39:41 Just big picture wise
39:44 He's obviously a very important part to this team. I think if he can
39:50 Continue, you know not from a percentage
39:52 Percentage standpoint, but a total standpoint if he can knock down some more threes this year, it'll really help, Indiana
39:59 There will be more scoring opportunities for him and then like we talked about defensively that'll always be there
40:05 So even if even if he doesn't take that next step, I think he's still a valuable piece to this team
40:11 Totally agree there and I think we're gonna wrap it there today
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