[Re-Release] Lissanthea TAYLOR, Parkway Health
This is a re-release of Season 01 Episode 28: The Pain Whisperer (Lissanthea Taylor, Pain Management Practitioner)
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02:20 - Part 1
17:52 - Part 2
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00:01[Intro]
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00:24of Shanghai on his first time back in China
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undefined:undefinedTaylor, the Australian pain management expert
00:50from Season 01 Episode 28.
00:53The reason I’m releasing Lissanthea’s
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undefined:undefinedwith Seth Harvey - you will know that Lissanthea
01:16found herself in Portugal for a year during
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undefined:undefined- Lissanthea has also made two big international
01:40moves since this original recording first
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undefined:undefinedfrom surgery on my ACL. Well the person who
02:06did that surgery was Dr. Derk Rietfeld, who
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I'm here today with Lissanthea Taylor:undefined
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02:27LT: I am indeed Oscar, thank you for having
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undefined:undefinedfabulous people that come to meet me every
02:43day. And of course our conversations start
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You had such an easy way of making me
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03:00You just brought it down to a level which
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undefined:undefined- if you can't get to the human underneath
03:19that. And science is important. But the human
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undefined:undefinedOF: Right. It’s so fundamental, but there
03:40you go. OK, well we'll get onto that in a
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Well:undefinedwhich I'm kicking out from underneath the
03:58table…
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I thought they were slugs.
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04:09to me by a friend. And so they are a gift
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undefined:undefinedin healthcare administration, in healthcare
04:32innovation. So I I think that does typify
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undefined:undefinedLT: Yeah, it's an interesting way to approach
04:55building relationships, when you come from
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And what do you know - maybe even just
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05:16in China?
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undefined:undefinedBut when people get sick, there's a very passive
05:41idea around pain. The 100 day rule. So if
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undefined:undefinedeven allowed to wash your hair.
06:02OF: Wow.
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undefined:undefinedis that… Say someone has a hip replacement.
06:26In the West, we get them up day one postoperatively.
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undefined:undefinedwait, that time for healing. And that means
06:50that people end up severely disabled. It's
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Right. Can you learn from the Chinese
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07:11LT: A lot of the problems that we have developed,
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undefined:undefinedand they believe that their back is damaged,
07:37it actually sets up a whole cascade of different
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08:04around “These are normal changes, these
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undefined:undefinedOF: It's just the natural wear-and-tear of
08:23an ageing body.
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The classic line is “It's just in your
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08:41LT: Yeah. When we get to talk about the science,
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09:02what I call ‘sensory stories’. So if my
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09:27You have to be so careful about helping them
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09:54you think and believe; the people you hang
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10:15LT: So what they're looking at is pushing
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10:41damaged. You know? And that's not true. We
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undefined:undefinedreally healthy, while you hurt. It's not uncommon
11:11for people that have accidents and injuries
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11:29I finally went back to yoga after a couple
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undefined:undefinedyourself out of pain. Absolutely not. And
11:49again, if we’re coming back to what we need
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…Talk your way out of it:undefined
undefined:undefinedyour way out of it. Often I would say to someone
12:06“What's something you love doing, that you're
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undefined:undefinedlet's go to football training. You might just
12:26be running water, you might be doing something.”
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12:47to do, if you can find something that's meaningful,
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So if you think about the general way
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13:06the opposite of what you're talking about.
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13:22is the importance of learning to be a good
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So we literally study this. And what that
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undefined:undefineda difficult story. If I read Jane Eyre, I
13:47go into someone else's life, someone else's
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undefined:undefinedbut anyone can learn. To be able to sit with…
14:12You know, healthcare stories are hard. I mean,
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undefined:undefineda small death of identity. So Narrative Medicine
14:35has been a wonderful practice that now I teach
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14:54interesting word to use. I prefer to use the
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15:16OF: You'll be exhausted, yeah.
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15:34and it moves me. Maybe I see myself in that
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Mmm. It actually makes me think about
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15:54which was also a very stressful part of their
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Is that right?
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16:10OF: But you could have re-sat that test.
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16:28was was physical therapy. I didn't really
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16:47it pays the bills, but what is this? Is this
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undefined:undefineda friend there who was the CEO of a tech company.
17:08And so I went and did a tech startup for a
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17:35be here. And we have to remember, we’re
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Shall we?
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undefined:undefinedOF: So Part 2 is where I asked the same questions
17:55to all of my interviewees. So why don't we
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I love the fact that China has one timezone.
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18:12just gonna do just one time”.
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Yes.
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So I'm Australian. So we have this great
:undefinedsaying in Australia like “She'll be right,
18:27mate”.
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It’s someone else's problem. I've done
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18:34LT: And to me, that's 差不多 [chàbùduō].
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I haven't travelled much in China. So
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18:49I haven't seen as much of this amazing country
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19:05OF: Oh right.
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undefined:undefinedthe French Concession here in Shanghai, Oscar,
19:27but we have these beautiful London plane trees,
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And luckily for us in Shanghai:undefinedmost of the year round. Yay. Well, thank you
19:52for leaving the house, and coming to me today.
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20:15get it wrong, and I go home with jasmine tea
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So my favourite place is a cafe:undefined
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20:32back of a little lane. But you won't know
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undefined:undefinedtime. What is the best or worst purchase you
20:50have made in China?
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21:13shapes. Because wow, when you get the proportions
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21:32look like on your body, etc, etc.
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In 10 different colours.
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21:45OF: That’s it. What is your favourite WeChat
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It fits our similarly slightly snarky
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22:03OF: Yeah, that's right. Because we think we're
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Course we are.
:undefinedOF: When you go to KTV, what is your go-to
22:17song?
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undefined:undefinedOF: Oh man. There’s a reason why we haven't
22:27done that together, isn't there. OK. And finally,
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Great:undefinedLT: It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.