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01:41 They may seek guidance from the superior judiciary
01:45 for announcement of a single date.
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02:09 "Every political party believes that President of Pakistan cannot announce the date of the election.
02:15 And every political party's leader thinks that President of Pakistan can announce the date according to the constitution."
02:22 It is very clear this time that the election commission has been given power, the president has no power.
02:28 "The President of Pakistan should be given the date on 48/5."
02:33 "Now, they cannot announce any date after September 9 as an Aburi president. It will be illegal."
02:38 "So, they will give the date according to the constitution, right?"
02:40 "Yes, absolutely."
02:42 "Mr. Ashtarwad, can the President of Pakistan give the date?"
02:44 "Yes, absolutely. There is no issue in that."
02:48 "Can we give the President of the country the power to give us the election schedule?"
02:52 "He has no right to do that. He is the President of the country, he is not responsible for the election commission."
02:56 "The constitution clearly states that the President should be given this date."
03:02 So, every political party's leader had a different opinion.
03:08 They had a political stance that the President cannot give the date.
03:11 Every legal mind had a belief that the date can be given, including former law ministers, attorney generals,
03:17 both Bar Councils, Supreme Court Bar Association and Pakistan Bar Council,
03:24 have told the President that he has the power to give the date.
03:29 In fact, for this power, the Supreme Court Bar Association and the Supreme Court of Pakistan have also reached out.
03:34 We have with us Mr. Shehzad Iqbal, thank you very much.
03:37 We have with us Mr. Abu Zar Salman Niazi, thank you very much.
03:39 We have with us Mr. Wasim Badami, from DSNG.
03:41 We have with us Mr. Kumar Dilshahad, from Skype.
03:43 We have with us Mr. Kumar Dilshahad, from Skype.
03:45 Mr. Kumar Dilshahad has been saying from day one that this is not the President's power.
03:49 But your voice is very minority-based, Mr. Kumar.
03:51 Let me come to this.
03:53 Let me first take an analysis.
03:57 Shehzad, what do you think? The President of Pakistan.
03:59 He says that he has the power.
04:03 But he has clearly refused to use his power.
04:07 He says that he will not use his power.
04:09 You know ECP and Pakistan, what do you have to do with me?
04:11 Why?
04:13 I think he is playing on both sides of the wicket.
04:15 The President of Pakistan.
04:17 His side's wicket was very patient this time, we have heard from the past few days.
04:19 Yes.
04:21 It was very patient.
04:23 The ball was seaming, someone hit a few bouncers.
04:25 He said that the bouncers should be ducked.
04:27 I think the pressure is on his party as well.
04:29 The party is constantly insisting on him.
04:31 Let me add that he met Imran Khan today.
04:33 He sent a message that he tweeted that he will give the President a date.
04:37 I can ask about this.
04:39 Also, Umar Ayub, the Secretary General, has written a letter two days ago.
04:41 That you should give a date, you have a mandate.
04:43 And I think it is very clear, 48-5.
04:45 That the President has to give a date.
04:47 Azam Nazeer Tariq, who amended the Election Act.
04:51 He presented it to the floor of the House.
04:53 He himself believes that the President will give the date of the election.
04:57 In this scenario, where the Assembly dissolved two days ago.
04:59 And the President approved it on the advice of the Prime Minister.
05:03 In this scenario, the President will give the date.
05:05 Azam Nazeer Tariq is very clear on this.
05:07 Even after so much clarity, not giving a date.
05:09 I think it is the pressure of the party.
05:11 The pressure of the party is that the President should give a date.
05:13 On the other hand, the pressure is that you should not give a date.
05:15 And let this matter continue like this.
05:17 And obviously, you know that there is the Election Commission of Pakistan.
05:19 There is the KTK government.
05:21 There are some political parties.
05:23 Who think that the Election Commission of Pakistan should give a date.
05:25 Not the President of Pakistan.
05:27 So, the pressure is coming from both sides.
05:29 So, they thought that they will leave the middle lane.
05:31 So, they obviously.
05:33 There is no one in the middle lane.
05:35 Yes, there is no one.
05:37 Obviously, they have an attempt.
05:39 I heard that the middle lane has been tweeted.
05:41 Someone was telling me.
05:43 At least, the dentist is an onlyopathic doctor.
05:45 They have an attempt.
05:47 I am saying that it should be done in 90 days.
05:49 I have the authority.
05:51 But the operative part says that in consultation with political parties.
05:53 Provincial government.
05:55 So, they should consult this matter after the court.
05:57 And then reach to a date.
05:59 So, I think it is a suggestion from them.
06:01 They have not given a clear date.
06:03 And like in our country, there is a traffic signal.
06:05 And if there is a red light, then they warn people.
06:07 If you want to stop, then stop.
06:09 But Kashmir, see irrespective of the suggestion given by the President of Pakistan.
06:11 Why has he given?
06:13 What is the mandate?
06:15 I am saying that if they have given a suggestion.
06:17 The Election Commission says that it is our right.
06:19 So, they have the right to give the date of the election in 90 days.
06:21 It is not that when they feel like it, they will give the date.
06:23 Delimitation should be completed in 4 months.
06:25 Then the process should be again for 2 months.
06:27 Then some issue should come.
06:29 Then some issue of funding should come.
06:31 Then security should come.
06:33 Election Commission cannot pick and choose.
06:35 If the Election Commission has to give the date, then it should be within 90 days.
06:37 The constitution is very clear on this.
06:39 So, if the President of Pakistan has not given the date.
06:41 He has given a suggestion.
06:43 Then also, he is binding the Election Commission of Pakistan.
06:45 That he should get the election done in 90 days.
06:47 We cannot avoid that.
06:49 You should not use this letter as a excuse.
06:51 But, it will be done.
06:53 If the President of Pakistan had said that the election will be done on this date.
06:55 If the President of Pakistan had said that the election will be done on this date.
06:57 Then the election would not have been done.
06:59 Then the crisis would have been created.
07:01 Then the crisis would have been created.
07:03 This matter would have gone to the Supreme Court.
07:05 Then the Supreme Court would have tested.
07:07 Then the Supreme Court would have tested.
07:09 The new Supreme Court would have tested.
07:11 To see where the Supreme Court is standing on this matter.
07:13 Not the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court's full court would have been tested.
07:15 Whichever way it wants.
07:17 It is up to them.
07:19 I think Mr. Faiz Ishaan should keep advocating this.
07:21 That such constitutional matters, political matters.
07:23 I said that the Supreme Court should have been tested.
07:25 I said that the Supreme Court should have been tested.
07:27 But, of course, the Supreme Court would have to decide.
07:29 But, the matter would not have been as simple as it is now.
07:31 After this letter, the President has also said that if you want to do it, then do it.
07:33 If you don't want to do it, then don't do it.
07:35 But, Mr. Komar Dilshad, as Mr. Shehzad Iqbal said.
07:37 But, Mr. Komar Dilshad, as Mr. Shehzad Iqbal said.
07:39 But, Mr. Komar Dilshad, as Mr. Shehzad Iqbal said.
07:41 This is not the power that the election is ahead of 90 days.
07:43 This is not the power that the election is ahead of 90 days.
07:45 The elections are very clear.
07:47 But, in this country, the constitution is very clear.
07:49 But, when do we take the constitution seriously?
07:51 The constitution also said that the elections of the Subahi Assembly cannot be held ahead of 90 days.
07:53 Why did you take it seriously?
07:55 It did not happen.
07:57 If the Subahi Assembly did not happen, then what difference would it make if the National Assembly did not happen?
07:59 If the Subahi Assembly did not happen, then what difference would it make if the National Assembly did not happen?
08:01 Are you asking a question?
08:03 Yes, sir.
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11:29 Legislation is a hierarchy of laws.
11:31 Constitution is at the top.
11:33 Then there is law which is made up of simple legislation.
11:35 Then there is rule and then there is regulation.
11:37 When there is a conflict of laws,
11:39 Constitution always prevails.
11:41 If you make an amendment and increase the age of the National Assembly to become a member,
11:43 If you make an amendment and increase the age of the National Assembly to become a member,
11:45 you can do it.
11:47 Because 25 is written in your constitution.
11:49 You cannot overshadow the constitution with simple legislation.
11:51 But I have recently learned one thing.
11:53 Start making noise.
11:55 Parliament, you make two resolutions.
11:57 Whatever you do, it will be done.
11:59 But these are political statements.
12:01 The law says that the president has no right.
12:03 The president has the duty.
12:05 It is his duty.
12:07 The word 'shall' is used.
12:09 If 'may' was used, there would be discretion.
12:11 Now they have made it a discretion.
12:13 I have power too.
12:15 But you decide for yourself.
12:17 That is why I think the president,
12:19 I am using strong words,
12:21 His oath says,
12:23 He has to uphold the constitution.
12:25 He has violated the constitution.
12:27 When you met Chairman Imran Khan today,
12:29 what message did he send?
12:31 For the President of Pakistan.
12:33 He asked me a question.
12:35 Did the election date have been announced?
12:37 I said no.
12:39 He was surprised.
12:41 I said why?
12:43 I said Alvi Sahib has not announced it yet.
12:45 He said you want to say something about it.
12:47 He said you should clearly go and say
12:49 that Alvi Sahib should announce the date
12:51 within 90 days.
12:53 And today I met him.
12:55 He was not aware.
12:57 I don't know if it is on the media.
12:59 I don't know what facilities are there.
13:01 He said he heard 5 newspapers.
13:03 No, no, nothing like that.
13:05 He said,
13:07 It is on TV, whether it is on or not,
13:09 that is the decision.
13:11 5 newspapers, are they old or new?
13:13 I said,
13:15 I said,
13:17 I said,
13:19 But you must know that the date of the election
13:21 has not been announced.
13:23 You are saying that he said categorically
13:25 you should go and say that I demand
13:27 that the President should announce the date of the election.
13:29 You said today that your chairman
13:31 demanded that you announce the date of the election.
13:33 He did not announce any date despite your demand.
13:35 When I read the letter,
13:37 I said my big words matter.
13:39 I was very happy to see that I tweeted.
13:41 The first news was also that the President has announced the date.
13:43 When I read the letter,
13:45 I thought that something is happening.
13:47 The President has made a mistake.
13:51 You will get to hear a lot of memes today.
13:53 Today is the day when there will be a lot of memes
13:55 about the President of Pakistan.
13:57 I was very happy to hear that.
13:59 Some people are also saying that this letter is without knowledge.
14:01 Toothless.
14:03 Dentist has become toothless.
14:05 Someone has also tweeted this.
14:07 I think he also said,
14:09 I think Iqrar said,
14:11 Dentists are homeopathic.
14:13 I did not know that.
14:15 But what is your view?
14:17 Was there a lot of pressure?
14:19 You could not have done it?
14:21 I will add a sentence to this.
14:23 I have heard from Babar Sattar that
14:25 he will give a decision
14:27 on which he can get the action done.
14:29 I think the President must have thought
14:31 to do something on which he can get the action done.
14:33 What is the point of giving a date?
14:35 Then I have to say that I am the President, not the PM.
14:37 The President said that
14:43 my opinion is that the election should be held on 6th.
14:45 I know that the Election Commission
14:47 has your opinion.
14:49 But my opinion is not right.
14:51 I know that the Subbah-e-Asamni's opinion
14:53 is also the same as yours.
14:55 And coincidentally, the Law Ministry's opinion
14:57 is also the same as the Election Commission's opinion.
14:59 So my opinion is that we all should meet
15:01 and ask the Supreme Court,
15:03 what is your opinion?
15:05 But having said that,
15:07 I still believe that I do not blame
15:09 President Pakistan.
15:11 I think that in the current situation,
15:13 practically speaking,
15:15 this could have been a better plan.
15:17 But the President has not written the letter.
15:19 He has not written the letter.
15:21 So Imran Khan and his party
15:23 should have also replied that
15:25 you are sitting in this office.
15:27 I think that he will have this thing to answer.
15:29 I think that he will have this thing to answer.
15:31 I think that he will have this thing to answer.
15:33 I think that he will have this thing to answer.
15:35 I wrote it and I meant that
15:37 Abu Zal Salman Niazi thought it was like this.
15:39 And Kashif Abbasi interpreted it
15:41 and said that it was like this.
15:43 Although it meant that
15:45 he did not write the letter.
15:47 I am a dentist.
15:49 Please try to prove me
15:51 that Imran Khan has come to you
15:53 and asked you
15:55 why you did not give the date.
15:57 President, why did you not give the date?
15:59 Chairman is asking.
16:01 What will you say?
16:03 What date did I give in this?
16:05 How will you justify this letter?
16:07 Brother, first of all, I will say that
16:09 Qibla, you see,
16:11 when I gave the date of the
16:13 provincial assembly's election announcement,
16:15 I used harsh words like
16:17 I hear by announce, etc.
16:19 So, sir,
16:21 please do not get affected by the use of words.
16:23 Secondly, I will say that
16:25 I have kept a realistic approach.
16:27 I have tried a little that you are not angry,
16:29 the rest are not angry,
16:31 then maybe there will be a way to talk,
16:33 then maybe there will be a way to election.
16:35 If I had become Sultan Rai on this paper,
16:37 then something else would have happened with that paper.
16:39 There was no benefit.
16:41 Still, I have written something that
16:43 the way will move forward.
16:45 Maybe the election will be held on 6th November or 6th December.
16:47 What Wasim said,
16:49 the President had written in his letter,
16:51 I hereby announce the date of 9th April
16:53 2023 Sunday for holding of
16:55 general elections for provincial assemblies of Punjab and
16:57 Khabar Lahariya.
16:59 See, nothing happens by happening.
17:01 If the 9th order of implementation
17:03 had not been there,
17:05 then ECP and the federal government
17:07 would have been at the
17:09 receiving end that they have violated the constitution.
17:11 Now he is being criticized
17:13 that he has violated the constitution.
17:15 You are saying that there should have been
17:17 no impression on the President.
17:19 This is the same thing,
17:21 you have a very difficult question,
17:23 you have written on my friend,
17:25 you are not getting the number in that.
17:27 You have written something else,
17:29 I will not answer,
17:31 you have cheated.
17:33 The problem is that
17:35 obviously everyone agrees on this,
17:37 that the President of Pakistan did not give the date.
17:39 I spoke to him about this last week,
17:41 I cannot reproduce it
17:43 because of some reasons,
17:45 but I will say that we do not talk about
17:47 the reasons on the other side
17:49 because of which he is not able to give the date.
17:51 Pressures?
17:53 Pressures, like someone says that two people
17:55 met and because of that they
17:57 did not give the date.
17:59 I am saying that
18:01 he needs an opinion.
18:03 He needs an opinion.
18:05 He needs too much.
18:07 Now when you are saying that
18:09 the ground realities should be seen,
18:11 the idealism should be left.
18:13 I am not saying that it should be seen,
18:15 I am saying that we cannot talk about
18:17 the ground realities.
18:19 But the history judge will decide
18:21 whether the constitution was upheld
18:23 or the doctrine of necessity was upheld.
18:25 Not today, but in ten years.
18:27 When the book will be written,
18:29 then everyone will speak the truth.
18:31 In ten years, you may see that
18:33 the President will say that I have to give the date,
18:35 and the election commission will say that
18:37 we have to give the date.
18:39 This is a big injustice.
18:41 Mr. Kaur Tilshad, the politicians
18:43 have cut their hands, but the President
18:45 was definitely a political buffer.
18:47 He had the power.
18:49 No, our palace
18:51 has heard our talks.
18:53 My party has come.
18:55 You have given me time.
18:57 I have spent 20 minutes listening to the same talks.
18:59 What time will you give me?
19:01 By the way, Mr. Kaur, it is amazing
19:03 when people sit with you for 20 minutes
19:05 and listen to your talks.
19:07 Stop it.
19:09 By the way, a person should not be a minister.
19:11 He is a minister.
19:13 We have no objection.
19:15 Whenever we talk,
19:17 your signal drops.
19:19 What can I do?
19:21 He has a habit of misbehaving.
19:23 The former Secretary should change a little.
19:25 Let me take a break.
19:27 After the break,
19:29 I have to tell you one more thing.
19:31 You must have heard
19:33 Mr. Bilawal's talks.
19:35 Let's talk about that too.
19:37 We will take a break.
19:39 Welcome back, viewers.
19:41 I would like to tell you
19:43 about two statements of Mr. Bilawal Bhutto.
19:45 One is about the level playing field.
19:47 But today he said
19:49 that it is a very strange thing.
19:51 A political party knows when the elections will be held.
19:53 They know what the date will be.
19:55 What did Mr. Bilawal say?
19:57 It is a very strange thing
19:59 that the people of India
20:01 are announcing the date of the elections.
20:03 They say that the elections will be held in February.
20:05 I don't know when the elections will be held.
20:07 You don't know when the elections will be held.
20:09 The Election Commissioner doesn't know when the elections will be held.
20:11 But the party already knows
20:13 the date of the elections.
20:15 So, what can I do if I don't talk about the level playing field?
20:17 Let's listen to the statement of Mr. Bilawal.
20:19 He said that the level playing field
20:21 is for a particular party.
20:23 And this is my objection.
20:25 The level playing field is for a particular party.
20:27 The level playing field is not for a particular party.
20:29 It is for a particular party.
20:31 The level playing field is not for a particular party.
20:33 And this is my objection.
20:35 What kind of a party is it
20:37 for which the level playing field is for a particular party
20:39 and not for others?
20:41 What kind of a political party is it?
20:43 Yes, the Urdu language is called
20:47 Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
20:49 Noon stands for Nawaz Sharif.
20:51 The People's Party
20:53 is giving very clear hints
20:55 to the people.
20:57 Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Ghazari
20:59 says that no one knows
21:01 but a group of people knows
21:03 that there is an election in February.
21:05 So, he is telling us that
21:07 every child knows that
21:09 if anyone in this country
21:11 knows when the elections will be held,
21:13 then obviously
21:15 he is not a President of Pakistan
21:17 or an Election Commission.
21:19 He is somewhere else
21:21 because there is a decision
21:23 that Pakistan Muslim League Noon
21:25 and rightly so,
21:27 is doing better.
21:29 We are not at the same level
21:31 where we thought that
21:33 the next PM could be from the People's Party.
21:35 Now, the situation is different.
21:37 After Nawaz Sharif's arrival,
21:39 this impression has been strengthened
21:41 that the situation is going in the same direction.
21:43 Yesterday, when I asked Khurshid Shah
21:45 about the level playing field,
21:47 he was surprised to see my answer.
21:49 He said, "Which level playing field?
21:51 The government of PMLN is not the one
21:53 who is in charge.
21:55 It is the government of Muslim League Noon.
21:57 It is shameful.
21:59 Fawad Hassan Fawad was running
22:01 the government of Nawaz Sharif in 2013
22:03 and Fawad Hassan Fawad is running
22:05 the government of PMLN in today's date.
22:07 The PMO is run by Nawaz Sharif's people.
22:09 The whole game is in the hands of Nawaz Sharif.
22:11 So, this is the impression.
22:13 Mr. Madami, if you allow me,
22:15 I will also run the marriage issue.
22:17 On one hand, he is saying
22:19 that the PMO is in the hands of Nawaz Sharif.
22:21 On the other hand, Fawad Hassan Fawad
22:23 was running the PMO.
22:25 So, by joining Fawad Hassan Fawad's cabinet,
22:27 you are now convinced that this government
22:29 is an extension of the government of Noon League?
22:31 Yes.
22:33 Yes, Mr. Madami.
22:35 So, what you were saying,
22:37 what Khurshid Shah said,
22:39 not only this,
22:41 but you are giving a statement
22:43 almost every day
22:45 and pointing your finger
22:47 at the people's party.
22:49 There is a special treatment
22:51 in Pakistani politics
22:53 which is being used as a joke.
22:55 So, when did the people's party
22:57 find out that the game is ruined?
22:59 Two days ago or a long time ago?
23:01 Are you asking me?
23:05 Yes, Mr. Bewal.
23:07 The people's party has received fresh news
23:09 that Nawaz Sharif is their brother.
23:11 I think the people's party had a misunderstanding
23:13 that this matter
23:15 will not go that way at all.
23:17 But in the last few days,
23:19 there was a prelude
23:21 that the people's party felt that
23:23 the people of Noon League
23:25 have started to express it openly.
23:27 To keep themselves safe,
23:29 I take the support of a leader of Noon League.
23:31 Mr. Javed Latif said this on television yesterday.
23:33 If you think about it, it is going into the minds
23:35 and ears of Mr. Bewal and the people's party.
23:37 Yesterday, Mr. Javed Latif said in the program
23:39 that today's powerful people feel that
23:41 if anyone can remove this country from the wind,
23:43 then his name is Nawaz Sharif.
23:45 That's why those powerful people
23:47 are ready to accept Nawaz Sharif with all their hearts.
23:49 So in the last few days,
23:51 there have been developments
23:53 that the people's party felt
23:55 that this matter is not going to be resolved
23:57 by the ministry of foreign affairs.
23:59 The whole matter is going towards Nawaz Sharif.
24:01 And then he is coming back.
24:03 The date of Nawaz Sharif's return has also been given.
24:05 So after that, the people's party
24:07 started posturing, especially Mr. Bewal.
24:09 Mr. Khursheed Shah is giving a very small example
24:11 of Mr. Fawad Zind Fawad.
24:13 He was the principal secretary.
24:15 Anwar-ul-Haq Kakar became the minister of foreign affairs.
24:17 You can see from that.
24:19 Before that, he met Mariam Nawaz,
24:21 who was the former chief minister of Balochistan.
24:23 He met her.
24:25 And I think it was decided that
24:27 these people will not join the people's party,
24:29 but will join the Noon League.
24:31 You remember that the people's party
24:33 went first, then they were dragged back.
24:35 Then they were pushed and sent there.
24:37 This whole matter happened in front of our eyes.
24:39 The people's party was not famous.
24:41 They had already gone to the people's party.
24:43 And then they were stopped again.
24:45 Some were called to come back.
24:47 And the logic is that because these people
24:49 had broken out of the Noon League,
24:51 so if they have to join,
24:53 they should be in the Noon League.
24:55 In South Punjab, the people's party was also conveyed
24:57 that if people are not coming to you,
24:59 then the reason is that people are saying
25:01 that two tickets will run, Noon League
25:03 or People's Party.
25:05 So we will not be included in the People's Party.
25:07 PTI and Noon League,
25:09 two tickets will run.
25:11 That's why no one wants to join the People's Party.
25:13 In KPK, there was hope that
25:15 some people will join us there.
25:17 There PTI became parliamentarian.
25:19 So all their hopes were that people will join.
25:21 That also broke.
25:23 But I think this is Fawad Hasan Fawad.
25:25 Apart from this, the people of Kakar
25:27 were decided that they have to go there.
25:29 So I think this is a very small example.
25:31 See, there is no doubt that
25:33 the level playing field at that time,
25:35 the level playing field given to PTI in 2017-18
25:37 is now being given to Noon League.
25:39 And this was the demand of Mariam Nawaz Sahiba
25:41 before 9th May that level playing field should be there.
25:43 Which did not mean that Imran Khan should be punished
25:45 as Nawaz Sharif was punished.
25:47 Rather, the kind of management that was done at that time,
25:49 the same kind of management should be done in our favour.
25:51 Do you remember at any time?
25:53 You talked about the date.
25:55 When this delimitation was not mentioned,
25:57 the election commission of Pakistan did not
25:59 issue its first schedule,
26:01 before that either Noon League knew
26:03 or Iqbal Shah who is the candidate for Noon League
26:05 ticket, he knew that the election was to be held in February.
26:07 Everyone knew.
26:09 Everyone knew.
26:11 The problem is that
26:13 they have ruined the people's party game for 9 months.
26:15 After that, no one needed the people's party
26:17 in Pakistan's politics.
26:19 Before that, everything was relevant because
26:21 joint front, you know, we had to cover 3-4 provinces.
26:23 Now where will a poor party cover
26:25 the whole 4 provinces?
26:27 So now the environment has become such
26:29 that there can be issues.
26:31 The father party,
26:33 it is easy to give a level playing field to one party.
26:35 It is easier to manage.
26:37 It is difficult to run it for 2-3 years.
26:39 The problem is that the people who are taking it today,
26:41 they will also scream at the same time.
26:43 When the other party,
26:45 there will be a third party also who will have to give a level playing field.
26:47 After 6-8 years,
26:49 someone has to give a level playing field
26:51 and then the one who is left,
26:53 he will scream.
26:55 But the father party,
26:57 the reason for the conflict between
26:59 the father party and the people's party
27:01 has already been made.
27:03 I would like to tell you about Marim Sahiba.
27:05 Now the father party is for some other reason.
27:07 But at that time, the father party,
27:09 because the people's party had taken the vote of the father,
27:11 so what did Marim Bibi say?
27:13 For this small benefit,
27:15 for a small position,
27:17 you took the vote from the father
27:19 and took the vote from the father
27:21 who does not support anyone without his father's permission.
27:23 The sky changes.
27:25 You must have understood.
27:27 Yes, yes.
27:29 And this is the reason that the people's party
27:31 was separated in the PDM.
27:33 They got a notice.
27:35 And after that, Mr. Binawal had given a statement.
27:37 You must remember that this is definitely
27:39 the opinion of a family from Lahore.
27:41 It is not our opinion.
27:43 But what are you doing sitting outside?
27:45 You went inside to meet.
27:47 And he is looking at politics outside.
27:49 Everyone is looking at who is the king's party
27:51 at the moment.
27:53 Who is the chosen one these days?
27:55 We are not the only election in Agra.
27:57 Look,
27:59 it seemed to me that
28:01 his posture was very calm,
28:03 determined,
28:05 and motivated.
28:07 Yes, I have been concerned
28:09 and worried about the fact that
28:11 people are being arrested for my party,
28:13 are in jail, women are not ready,
28:15 and apart from that,
28:17 people are being arrested who do not have fundamental rights,
28:19 do not have rule of law,
28:21 used the word jungle law.
28:23 I was concerned about this.
28:25 I have been there.
28:27 I saw him wearing a tracksuit.
28:29 And when we went there,
28:31 Zara, you cannot wear a tracksuit in jail.
28:33 He was wearing a tracksuit.
28:35 He was very calm.
28:37 He was holding a tasbih.
28:39 We gave him some books.
28:41 But did he talk politics?
28:43 Not much.
28:45 He was more concerned about the people of the party,
28:47 about the bails and so on.
28:49 Most of the discussion was on legal issues.
28:51 He did talk about
28:53 Hassan Niazi.
28:55 He asked him what he had done.
28:57 He asked about Haider Majeed,
28:59 his lawyer,
29:01 and asked him to put more effort.
29:03 He was not happy
29:05 that the judiciary
29:07 has played a lenient role
29:09 for the past one and a half years.
29:11 If the judiciary
29:13 had implemented its orders,
29:15 the fundamental rights would not have been violated.
29:17 He was kind of
29:19 a pessimist
29:21 towards the judiciary's attitude.
29:23 He was not happy at all.
29:25 He told you about the election date.
29:27 He said that it should be announced.
29:29 But I think the President of Pakistan
29:31 did not understand what I said.
29:33 He interpreted it in his own way.
29:35 That's fine.
29:37 Tell me, Wasim,
29:39 Mr. Mian is coming back
29:41 on 21st October, 2023.
29:43 How will he change
29:45 the Pakistani political landscape
29:47 in the coming days?
29:49 Do you think that
29:51 Mr. Mian will come
29:53 and the whole of Pakistan
29:55 will vote for the Non-League?
29:57 How much will the change be?
29:59 Will people shift?
30:01 How do you see
30:03 what will happen when he comes back?
30:05 Another reason for me
30:07 to believe that the elections
30:09 are happening around January-February
30:11 and before March.
30:13 I am sure that if Nawaz Sharif
30:15 comes back on 21st October,
30:17 he will also know that the elections
30:19 are going to happen.
30:21 Of course, the whole of the
30:23 people's sentiment will not
30:25 shift from one corner of the
30:27 pandemic to the other.
30:29 If you want to quantify,
30:31 the electoral politics
30:33 and its wave are completely different.
30:35 It is very difficult to predict.
30:37 But I would say maybe a push
30:39 of 10-15% for PMLN.
30:41 I am sure that their narrative
30:43 will be the same.
30:45 [Host] What will happen?
30:47 10-15% is huge.
30:49 It is a huge push.
30:51 If you add 10%, 15%
30:53 and the total vote bank
30:55 which is around 30-40%,
30:57 it will be a huge push.
30:59 [Sahil] I mean to say
31:01 that the Muslim League
31:03 has its own vote bank
31:05 which is quite impressive.
31:07 [Host] Let me ask you a direct question.
31:09 You must have heard Nusrat Javed
31:11 that he went to Lahore.
31:13 Do you agree with him?
31:15 That he went to Lahore with
31:17 the support of the Noon League?
31:19 [Sahil] I find it difficult to comment
31:21 on the electoral politics of PMLN.
31:23 But I do feel that
31:25 PMLN's popularity has eroded
31:27 in the electoral politics.
31:29 But is it true that
31:31 the hardcore areas of Lahore
31:33 have also been completely
31:35 removed from the list?
31:37 I think this is a
31:39 very difficult situation
31:41 for PMLN.
31:43 But to say that
31:45 the Noon League will be
31:47 completely removed from the list
31:49 is still a bit
31:51 unwise in my opinion.
31:53 [Host] Unwise?
31:55 [Sahil] Yes.
31:57 [Host] Anybody's game?
31:59 [Sahil] I mean
32:01 it is unwise that
32:03 if PMLN is free and fair
32:05 which we are seeing now
32:07 [Host] Which is not happening
32:09 [Sahil] But even after that
32:11 if all the circumstances
32:13 and events
32:15 where PMLN was standing
32:17 two years ago, it has come
32:19 down a lot.
32:21 But the reference that they gave
32:23 that the Noon League should not
32:25 be like the People's Party which
32:27 was 97 seats, which was 10-12 seats
32:29 which was 2002.
32:31 [Host] But listen to me
32:33 I will ask Shahzad.
32:35 The elections in Punjab
32:37 Tarik-e-Insaab lost
32:39 15-16.
32:41 [Sahil] They won.
32:43 [Host] Before the elections
32:45 when they were in power?
32:47 [Sahil] No, they were losing in their
32:49 government and then won.
32:51 [Host] But the benchmark
32:53 will be the most recent election.
32:55 They won 15-16 elections
32:57 when everyone thought
32:59 it was a walk in the park for PMLN.
33:01 I was told that
33:03 Tarik-e-Insaab has only 2-3 seats
33:05 in the Noon League.
33:07 Has there been any change?
33:09 [Sahil] I don't think there has been
33:11 any change in the vote bank
33:13 but there has been a lot of change
33:15 in the situation.
33:17 Imran Khan did not campaign
33:19 but he was speaking regularly
33:21 on TV.
33:23 I don't think there has been
33:25 any change in the popularity.
33:27 [Host] Has it increased?
33:29 [Sahil] I can't say that
33:31 until you have a relevant survey.
33:33 [Host] I don't know which survey
33:35 has been banned.
33:37 [Sahil] No, it hasn't.
33:39 [Host] But the situation is
33:41 that some of the PTI's
33:43 members are still in their
33:45 senses and I keep asking
33:47 what will happen when the elections
33:49 happen. They say that they will
33:51 come and submit the nomination
33:53 papers. If they catch us,
33:55 they will leave us.
33:57 If they allow me to fight
33:59 the elections, then we don't
34:01 have to fight the elections.
34:03 We have to go home and mobilize
34:05 the people.
34:07 [Sahil] And if they don't get
34:09 a chance to campaign, then
34:11 you are saying that the Noon League
34:13 will consider themselves ahead.
34:15 [Host] I think they will come
34:17 ahead before the elections.
34:19 But more importantly,
34:21 you gave the example of Babas
34:23 Sattar and he said that he will
34:25 give an order that he can
34:27 implement.
34:29 But the people who are
34:31 against the Noon League
34:33 are saying that they will
34:35 not come.
34:37 So, tell me, if the
34:39 PTI gets 70-80,000 votes
34:41 and the other opposition
34:43 gets less votes,
34:45 what will happen?
34:47 What will the election
34:49 commission do?
34:51 [Sahil] Can I complete
34:53 the argument?
34:55 The RTS.
34:57 Earlier, there were tribunals.
34:59 When we say that in 2014,
35:01 Imran Khan came to the polls
35:03 and said that we should open
35:05 four rings, we know that
35:07 there was support from the
35:09 establishment.
35:11 Even then, two rings were
35:13 in favour of the PTI and
35:15 two were rejected.
35:17 So, despite the support of
35:19 the establishment, Imran Khan
35:21 did not win all four rings.
35:23 He did not win even one.
35:25 But at this time...
35:27 [Anand] No, no, Saad Rafiq's
35:29 vote was rejected by the
35:31 Supreme Court.
35:33 [Sahil] I am saying that
35:35 there were two votes.
35:37 One was for the degree.
35:39 [Anand] Janki Trin's election
35:41 was held.
35:43 [Sahil] I am saying that
35:45 the decision was important
35:47 for the tribunal.
35:49 If someone decides that
35:51 70-80,000 votes are not
35:53 enough, then you will take
35:55 the votes to the tribunal,
35:57 election commission, court.
35:59 Do you think that you will
36:01 be heard? I don't think so.
36:03 [Anand] So, whether it was
36:05 held or not, it was held in
36:07 2013. People don't remember.
36:09 It was held in 2018.
36:11 It was reminded to everyone
36:13 that these systems should
36:15 not be held. But this
36:17 system was held in 2013.
36:19 [Sahil] Every time there is
36:21 a new system, it is held.
36:23 [Anand] I was telling
36:25 two things. There was an
36:27 old man, I can't say his name
36:29 because he is anonymous. He was
36:31 a police prison employee. He
36:33 said that he has seen many
36:35 political prisoners over the
36:37 years, but he has never seen
36:39 such a tough person in his
36:41 life. I was expecting that...
36:43 [Sahil] You should have
36:45 asked the question.
36:47 [Anand] It is very important
36:49 to ask the question.
36:51 [Sahil] The second thing is...
36:53 [Anand] We are not eating outside,
36:55 we are eating at the farm.
36:57 [Sahil] I think he is doing
36:59 100 crunches, 100 push-ups.
37:01 [Anand] I heard that you got a monkey
37:03 bar installed to do pull-ups.
37:05 [Sahil] Yes, he is doing pull-ups.
37:07 He didn't provide the machinery
37:09 for the exercise, but I think
37:11 he is preparing. He is fit.
37:13 [Anand] He is inspired by Sanjay Dutt.