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02:17 Nobody can give money unless there is a process and procedure for it as per the Constitution and the law.
02:22 We are going through some very tough times, naturally speaking
02:32 So we will not be able to provide funds for elections.
02:40 Hassan Ayyub is in London.
02:43 I said London, not Nandan.
02:46 He is in London.
02:48 We are celebrating Defence Day.
02:51 We will tell you what we went to London to get later.
02:54 Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin is with us as usual.
02:58 First of all, Hassan, I will come to you.
03:00 You tell us, in the last few days, this was your insistence in a programme.
03:06 Your news and your suggestion was that if someone can put the country's economy back on track,
03:13 that person is a contractor.
03:15 If a political party wants to improve the country's economy, then that is Pakistan Muslim League.
03:21 They are going to come into power.
03:23 The common people in Pakistan...
03:26 They disputed it.
03:28 I will come to you, Mr. Jai.
03:30 The common people want to know, Mr. Ishaq Dard is saying, "Make no mistake."
03:35 If you don't give us permission, we won't give you money.
03:38 Now, this 10 billion rupees...
03:41 And on the other hand, viewers, and Hassan, you also know,
03:44 that we have to give a relief of 15 billion to the common people in electricity bills.
03:50 For that, we are having to beg the IMF, the current government, which is so stuck.
03:55 So, Mr. Dard didn't know, because I think the money comes from the finance ministry,
04:00 the national exchequer, which is the main treasury of the federal government.
04:04 So, what was the reason? What was the reason for running this publicity campaign?
04:08 What big work did they do? Yes, Hassan.
04:11 Thank you very much.
04:13 Mr. Khabar, this is basically about 250 crore rupees, which are made.
04:19 This is the money of the previous government, the government period.
04:25 They paid for 2021 out of it.
04:29 Let's go back.
04:31 If you see, then your farmer package, youth program, BISP,
04:37 and all the other attached departments, if all these advertisements are brought,
04:42 then it basically goes through the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.
04:46 So, yes, absolutely, there should be no much emphasis.
04:49 There is no other opinion on this.
04:51 But there is also a part of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf in this.
04:54 And you can't neglect that part.
04:57 These were old payments, that is, 250 crore rupees.
05:02 They paid that, two and a half billion rupees.
05:04 So, seven and a half billion is left behind.
05:06 If you talk about seven and a half billion, then there are also about three to four billion rupees in it.
05:11 And they actually paid that, in which your floods came.
05:14 So, in reference to floods, the international donors who met you,
05:18 so the advertisement and expenses of all that matter are also included in it.
05:21 So, these are all things, but anyway, we are still a poor nation.
05:24 And the country has economic difficulties.
05:27 So, the wasteful expenditure in this should be avoided.
05:30 If we have raised this voice, this kind of voice should be raised.
05:34 Anyway, you know that I have a lot of love for Maryam and Hamza Sahiba.
05:38 And I want that such things come to light.
05:41 But this is not such a solid thing that I can say anything about.
05:45 Absolutely right.
05:46 I just spoke to Mr. Fawad Chowdhury, who is a former information minister.
05:52 He told me this.
05:53 I said, "Come to the program, we will talk to you."
05:55 But he said, "I am not coming to television channels these days."
05:58 He said, "In our time, we had made a law that whatever releases are to be made,
06:03 they have to be made within the same month as the releasing orders are."
06:07 He is also saying that when this news came out, the former government said,
06:12 "The government that is put on our head is 8 billion, which is 3.5 years, 10 months,
06:19 and 4 out of that was of the old governments."
06:23 But anyway, this argument is being made that it is not the old government.
06:26 If you remember, our media owners also said that they will not give salaries to their workers
06:31 until the government pays them.
06:33 If you remember this, then they had to pay.
06:38 Let's move on.
06:39 Mr. Chowdhury, Mr. Hassan is admitting that this is a waste of money.
06:45 He has also said that his love and affection for Mariam Aurangzeb is professional.
06:50 Mr. Hassan Ayyub is his relative.
06:53 Mr. Chowdhury, what do you think?
06:55 You are old in journalism.
06:58 You have run your newspaper for some time.
07:01 Do you know what kind of a way this is?
07:03 I have run it for some time.
07:06 Tell me, how extraordinary is this incident?
07:11 In such a short period of time, in such a large number of advertisements,
07:16 and it is on the record, we are not saying.
07:19 One thing is that such a big payment of 10,000 rupees in a year and two or three months,
07:26 is a very extraordinary incident.
07:31 And they have kept their employees, their employees, their employees,
07:36 their employees, their employees, their employees, their employees,
07:41 and have been giving them unfair payments.
07:43 So this is not a way.
07:46 It is not a way that the PTI was not ready to give anything to its people.
07:52 In fact, there is no balance to ask.
07:56 And by the way, our friends who have just arrived in the cold winds of London,
08:02 Mr. Hassan Ayyub, they think that they have broken the law.
08:06 Mr. Chowdhury, there is an AC installed here too.
08:09 They should spend so much more.
08:14 Because the second one, Mr. Khawar Govind, congratulations to you.
08:22 You have broken a big story.
08:25 And credit goes to you.
08:28 We have found out that his children are coming even bigger.
08:32 Yes, yes, there are a lot of children.
08:34 And the way all these campaigns are going on,
08:36 in the coming days, viewers will keep more facts in front of you with documents.
08:40 Recently, Mr. Jugnu Mohsin, who was with PMLN,
08:45 was released, later he joined Noon League.
08:48 During an interview, he made a claim.
08:51 I did not understand it, I would like to understand from you what he wanted to say.
08:56 Take a line to Mr. Jugnu Mohsin.
09:00 In my circle, people know that in the last 16 months,
09:05 the government that has just gone, has given 1 billion rupees to each MLA.
09:12 In Punjab, we say, "Ae pinaya paysa si, maang pin ke liya si, I am a follow."
09:18 And they have made it so, because they had to pay the expenses of the election to their MLAs to keep them with them.
09:28 To keep the coalition together, they had to bribe them.
09:33 Mr. Chaudhary, we are trying to contact Mr. Jugnu Mohsin.
09:38 If we can contact him, we will definitely take his comment.
09:41 But viewers, this tradition has been going on since 1980s,
09:45 especially since the time of General Zia, that such money is distributed.
09:50 Now, Hassan, what comment can we make on this?
09:52 That 1 billion rupees, me, you or any other Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain are not accusing this.
09:57 Obviously, there is a sitting member, who is related to Noon League.
10:01 Especially, with Mr. Nawaz Sharif, his husband, Mr. Sain, who is with him.
10:07 I recently met him in his meeting.
10:09 So, what is the ideology behind this?
10:13 If you had given so much money, then you would have gone to the elections.
10:17 You would have given in the elections and then you would have set up a ground there.
10:20 You are not going there either.
10:22 It is a very sad thing.
10:25 You know that in the world, the members of parliament don't get the government funds.
10:31 They don't get any work.
10:32 This is basically the work of the municipality, the local governments.
10:37 We should strengthen them.
10:38 Your council should be strong.
10:40 Union Council, Village Council, or your district council, or MCIs.
10:44 We should strengthen them and put the budget there.
10:47 The same thing has come up.
10:49 You have taken funds from the municipal government with the help of the municipality.
10:55 Now, the municipality does not give the funds to the local governments.
10:57 When you don't go to the local governments, then you don't get work at the district level or city level.
11:02 So, this is very unfortunate.
11:03 This should be strengthened.
11:06 And I will tell you a very interesting thing.
11:08 The Noon League or the PDM, which gave the government funds to the number of parliaments,
11:15 the chairman Tariq Khan started giving four times more funds to the government when he got the vote of confidence.
11:21 So, at that time, they also opened their mouths.
11:24 I remember that we had three or four people.
11:26 I was sitting with them.
11:28 Those useless people left the party.
11:31 Those useless people gave four times more money.
11:35 I will take their names and you will remind me.
11:39 No, no, don't remind me.
11:40 This Khan has adopted a very good strategy.
11:45 He has opened the mouth of the treasury.
11:48 All the members of the parliament who come to ask, this is my work, he says done.
11:53 They ask what is this work, he says done.
11:55 He is giving employment to everyone.
11:57 Leave it.
11:58 No, no, Jai Sahib.
11:59 He gave money, 30 people left him.
12:02 Jai Sahib, I am coming to him.
12:04 He is so useless that he could not keep people despite giving funds.
12:07 Yes, he is very useless.
12:08 That's why the whole country is with that party.
12:12 And you are sitting on the road.
12:14 I also want to be useless.
12:16 I am completely disconnected from this.
12:18 Hassan, I am asking you.
12:19 Hassan, you talk one thing.
12:21 We don't have any work.
12:23 To attack them all the time.
12:25 No, no, we are not attacking.
12:26 Jai Sahib, you talk one thing.
12:28 I will talk my own thing.
12:29 You get angry.
12:30 No, no, we don't get angry.
12:31 Hassan, wait a minute.
12:32 I will ask Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin.
12:34 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain.
12:35 Now this is an argument.
12:37 Now how much money was given is on the record.
12:41 Because Hassan, we have on the record things.
12:45 The biggest problem was that we covered in the newspapers.
12:49 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain also knows about this.
12:52 His MNAS and the biggest complaint was that we don't have work.
12:57 We don't have a family.
12:59 We don't have a lawyer.
13:00 We don't have a DPO.
13:01 And this was the biggest problem.
13:03 So Mr. Chaudhary, now the question we want to talk about is
13:08 that is this tradition going on?
13:11 The way the money has been distributed.
13:14 Do you see any accountability on this?
13:17 The Nigrahan government, they are hearing big claims.
13:20 The other day, the Nigrahan Minister of Income came to us.
13:22 Mr. Kakar is also saying this.
13:24 So, this is 10 billion rupees or whatever money is there before that.
13:29 Will there be any accountability on this?
13:33 Where did the money go?
13:34 What method was adopted?
13:35 Where did it go?
13:36 On the ground or not?
13:37 Yes, there has been no accountability on this till now.
13:42 So, where will it be today?
13:44 You leave it.
13:45 You go to the election.
13:46 You get the election done.
13:47 You don't want to do that either.
13:49 Okay, Hassan, yesterday I was watching.
13:53 Our and your friend, Mr. Faisal Wada.
13:56 He was saying that all the political parties
14:01 use the words that I can't use on my television program.
14:06 Of course, he is a former minister.
14:08 Mashallah, his access is available everywhere.
14:12 He is coming on the media.
14:13 So, what you are saying is a little different from what you are saying.
14:17 Not a little, but a lot different.
14:19 He is saying that all these are dirty eggs.
14:22 I think I can use the word parliamentary.
14:25 All the political parties that came to power before this,
14:29 they are saying that they are a part of PTI.
14:31 Everyone was selected.
14:33 Everyone was elected.
14:34 Everyone has failed.
14:35 You should get rid of everyone.
14:38 A new group should come before us.
14:41 Tell us.
14:42 You are in London.
14:43 Hopefully, you will meet.
14:46 You are a regular with Pakistan Muslim League.
14:49 So, try to explain to us
14:51 who is in the game and who is out of the game.
14:55 You have made a very good question.
14:58 The thing is that the direction Faisal Bawda wants to take the establishment or the army,
15:05 the army will not go that way.
15:07 The Chief of Army Staff is a big patriot.
15:12 He does not have such a personality.
15:15 Knowing him, the way his profile is seen and read about him,
15:19 I can say with confidence that what Faisal Bawda is saying is his own.
15:25 There is no such opinion of the establishment,
15:27 nor is there any intention to do this.
15:29 But this misconception should not be spread
15:32 that you are scaring all the parties
15:36 that the establishment is going to out you
15:38 when in reality it has nothing to do with this.
15:42 Hassan, I will stop you a little on this.
15:45 I will present your argument in front of you.
15:48 You are telling us,
15:51 I am not saying that you are scaring us,
15:53 that you will forget the era of General Zia.
15:55 General Zia was a great dictator,
15:57 he was a direct martial law.
15:59 So, what do we understand from this
16:02 that Anwar ul Haq Kakar is a very innocent and decent man.
16:06 I will ask this question to Achoy sir,
16:09 and then I will come to you.
16:10 So, Achoy sir, this is a matter of strictness.
16:15 So, what will happen?
16:17 Faisal Wada sir, do one thing,
16:19 what Hassan said is not true.
16:21 So, what do you think,
16:23 I will definitely ask General Zia about this matter to Hassan.
16:26 Hassan, first you tell us,
16:28 how do we explain this matter?
16:32 Is Anwar ul Haq Kakar sir going to become a martial law dictator?
16:35 Anwar ul Haq Kakar sir will not spare the people
16:38 who are involved in the 9th May incident.
16:41 Whether it is Anwar ul Haq Kakar,
16:43 whether it is the establishment or the system,
16:45 all three,
16:47 you see the system is different,
16:49 the establishment is different,
16:50 and the prime minister is different.
16:52 All three,
16:53 the people involved in the 9th May incident,
16:56 they should not be spared,
16:58 and they should be taken to their respective positions.
17:01 The system, establishment and prime minister are different.
17:03 The matter is not against the system.
17:05 The system is not.
17:06 In the 9th May, only one political party is involved,
17:08 the rest of the political parties are not involved.
17:10 Neither is the People's Party involved,
17:11 nor is the Jamaat-e-Islami,
17:12 nor is the ANP,
17:13 nor is the Mahmood League,
17:14 nor is the JUIF.
17:15 Only Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansar is involved in that.
17:18 And Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansar is not complete either.
17:20 Those people who were involved in the 9th May incident,
17:23 they are not to be opposed.
17:25 Chaudhary sir, look,
17:26 there are courts in the country at the moment.
17:28 Today, in Islamabad,
17:30 the Supreme Court Bar Association's
17:32 booklet convention was held,
17:33 we will talk about that too.
17:34 The courts are present,
17:35 it is absolutely correct.
17:36 Whoever has done a wrong thing,
17:38 we have seen across the board
17:39 that people have condemned the 9th May incident.
17:41 Those were condemnable incidents
17:43 and should be condemned.
17:44 So, there are courts,
17:45 and if all the cases are handled in court,
17:47 then, if, suppose,
17:48 those who have done it,
17:49 should be punished,
17:50 then, but, overall,
17:51 what do you think,
17:52 where is the situation going?
17:54 Where is the country going?
17:58 Yes, I am talking about the country's situation,
17:59 politically.
18:00 The country is being destroyed,
18:02 can't you see that?
18:03 The blindfold is on.
18:06 The state of the economy,
18:09 the state of the common man,
18:11 the state of inflation,
18:13 the state of other things,
18:15 and the state of Punjab and KP,
18:17 which has been sitting there for years
18:19 without an elected government,
18:21 involved in revengeful activities.
18:23 The people of 9th May should have
18:26 hanged you up by now.
18:28 Who has stopped you?
18:30 They have hung you up.
18:31 But, who has hanged the entire nation
18:33 on the gallows?
18:34 Who has told you that?
18:35 Every time, 9th May,
18:36 9th May,
18:37 no one's stomach will be full.
18:39 The entire nation is with the army.
18:41 And, some people,
18:43 because of their own
18:45 dirty and cruel
18:47 actions,
18:48 want the army and the people to be fought.
18:50 This is their thought.
18:52 The entire country is together,
18:54 and the entire army and the people of Pakistan are together.
18:56 Do not create
18:58 unnecessary
19:00 guff between the two.
19:02 These two
19:04 are indistinguishable.
19:06 Leave it.
19:07 Save the country.
19:08 The army chief
19:10 has taken some initiative
19:12 and has given dollars.
19:14 May Allah grant him
19:16 a good price.
19:17 And, some business
19:18 should move forward.
19:19 Come to him
19:20 and go to the elections.
19:22 Instead of their work,
19:24 they do everything
19:26 again and again.
19:27 When the courts
19:28 do not do their work,
19:30 then these conventions happen,
19:31 which have happened today.
19:32 And, they have
19:33 made promises,
19:34 made allegations.
19:35 So,
19:36 this is
19:38 our country.
19:40 We have to save it from destruction.
19:42 Yes, viewers,
19:44 it is necessary for the country to do
19:46 such a thing that all our institutions,
19:48 our civil society,
19:50 should get the country out of this
19:52 serious situation.
19:54 We have to take a short break.
19:56 After the break, we will talk a little.
19:58 In Chitral,
20:00 a very dangerous incident
20:02 happened.
20:04 Terrorists came.
20:06 They were confronted.
20:08 Our brave army
20:10 confronted them and forced them
20:12 to flee.
20:14 But, the overall impact of this
20:16 is that in Afghanistan,
20:18 some enemy agencies are working.
20:20 Some such elements are present
20:22 that have to be stopped.
20:24 We will talk about them in detail.
20:26 Defense experts
20:28 will be with us.
20:30 We will talk in detail after the break.
20:32 Welcome back, viewers.
20:34 Last night,
20:36 some terrorists entered Pakistan
20:38 from across the border.
20:40 All the newspapers have covered this event.
20:42 First of all,
20:44 you can see in the war newspaper that
20:46 Chitral,
20:48 a terrorist attack on the Afghan border,
20:50 a military attack on the post,
20:52 four soldiers of the Pak army were martyred,
20:54 twelve terrorist attacks.
20:56 The world news has covered
20:58 such news.
21:00 If we go back to the dawn,
21:02 four martyrs as the army pushes
21:04 militants back into Afghanistan.
21:06 We have invited
21:08 Muhammad Ali to give a defense report.
21:10 We have come from different angles
21:12 to cover this story.
21:14 First of all,
21:16 we would like to thank Muhammad Ali
21:18 for giving us time.
21:20 We had hoped that
21:22 when a government would come to Afghanistan,
21:24 a settled government would be formed.
21:26 Obviously, the Taliban
21:28 had a strategic alliance with Pakistan.
21:30 We will get some time
21:32 to breathe.
21:34 But we see that
21:36 the situation is the opposite.
21:38 The operation against the
21:40 unregistered Afghani
21:42 is going on.
21:44 If we look at the overall situation,
21:46 explain it
21:48 and tell us
21:50 how we will get out of this
21:52 quagmire.
21:54 Thank you.
21:56 I will give a brief overview
21:58 of three aspects of the Taliban.
22:00 Obviously,
22:02 the Taliban movement
22:04 is a big security challenge
22:06 for Pakistan.
22:08 It is a threat.
22:10 Obviously,
22:12 the impact of the Taliban
22:14 and its activities
22:16 have varied
22:18 in the last 16 years.
22:20 Let's understand
22:22 three aspects of the Taliban
22:24 in a more general,
22:26 but focused way.
22:28 One is the ideological aspect.
22:30 This is important to know.
22:32 The second is the social aspect.
22:34 The third is the strategic aspect.
22:36 The question that you raised
22:38 in this entire discussion
22:40 is overlooked.
22:42 The Taliban and the TTP
22:44 have a relationship
22:46 with a school of thought
22:48 in the ideological sense.
22:50 When you look at
22:52 the kinetic domain
22:54 of military operation
22:56 and counter-terrorism,
22:58 the bigger reality
23:00 is ignored in public debate.
23:02 This is the reality.
23:04 If you look at it
23:06 from the ideological perspective,
23:08 they have the same
23:10 ideology and thought.
23:12 Such organizations
23:14 have a culture
23:16 that is not like
23:18 an organized army.
23:20 They have a grievance
23:22 or an ideological commitment
23:24 based on oath
23:26 or on the oath of allegiance
23:28 for which it is a small matter
23:30 to give your life.
23:32 This is the fact
23:34 that has been ignored
23:36 in our popular discourse.
23:38 The ideological convergence
23:40 of the Taliban is very high.
23:42 A positive development
23:44 has recently taken place
23:46 in this regard.
23:48 The Taliban
23:50 have issued a fatwa
23:52 which was endorsed
23:54 by Mufti Taqi Usmani
23:56 that an attack on Pakistan
23:58 is in a way
24:00 haram.
24:02 It will not be
24:04 considered as Jihad.
24:06 If a person
24:08 is involved in this
24:10 and gives his life,
24:12 his funeral will not be attended.
24:14 I am coming to that.
24:16 This is the ideological aspect.
24:18 The second aspect is the social aspect.
24:20 You have also mentioned that
24:22 this is a social fact
24:24 that for the past 30-40 years
24:26 many Afghans have been
24:28 involved in our society.
24:30 Now we are realizing
24:32 this mistake.
24:34 We should have
24:36 restricted them in an area
24:38 like Iran, their activities,
24:40 their travel,
24:42 so that the negative effects
24:44 of terrorism,
24:46 smuggling etc.
24:48 can be restricted.
24:50 I think this is a mistake.
24:52 The realization of this
24:54 has increased.
24:56 A thought is developing
24:58 which our army chief
25:00 has also translated as
25:02 our hospitality has reached
25:04 its limit.
25:06 The third aspect
25:08 is the terrorism.
25:10 Unfortunately,
25:12 it has been two years
25:14 since the Afghan Taliban
25:16 came to power in August 2021.
25:18 I think we have
25:20 placed this expectation
25:22 in good faith
25:24 that they will
25:26 end terrorist activities
25:28 in their own interest.
25:30 They are dependent on Pakistan
25:32 economically and in other matters.
25:34 They will end these
25:36 operations in their own interest.
25:38 But they did not do it.
25:40 Now let's look at
25:42 these three factors.
25:44 First, we can see that
25:46 they have some ideological issues.
25:48 Second, the socio-economic
25:50 problems in Pakistan,
25:52 including corruption,
25:54 including smuggling,
25:56 including drugs, dollars,
25:58 illegal trade,
26:00 the social impact
26:02 on our economy, society,
26:04 is coming in the form of drugs,
26:06 clashes of culture,
26:08 and the spread of terrorism.
26:10 We have to stop this.
26:12 Third, we have to counter
26:14 their terrorist activities
26:16 and make them unsuccessful.
26:18 My colleague, Hassan Ayub,
26:20 is also with us.
26:22 Hassan, you first.
26:24 I would like to ask you
26:26 that the two years
26:28 that you have said
26:30 that the Afghan Taliban
26:32 have come to power,
26:34 they should also come
26:36 to power, but they are
26:38 not doing it.
26:40 What is the reason
26:42 that the Taliban
26:44 are not able to fulfill
26:46 their responsibilities?
26:48 If they do not fulfill their
26:50 responsibilities,
26:52 what should we do?
26:54 This is a very important question.
26:56 First, as I mentioned,
26:58 because there is a convergence
27:00 in their ideological thinking.
27:02 Secondly,
27:04 in the last two years,
27:06 despite our pressure,
27:08 despite our calls,
27:10 despite our diplomatic visits,
27:12 they have failed
27:14 to fulfill their responsibilities
27:16 that they will not let
27:18 any terrorist organization
27:20 use their territory
27:22 against Pakistan.
27:24 I think, independently
27:26 of my assessment,
27:28 if you do research,
27:30 you will find that
27:32 there is no method to the madness.
27:34 There is a method to the madness.
27:36 And many of them,
27:38 if I can say a sentence,
27:40 it seems that the territory
27:42 of Afghanistan is actually
27:44 the strategic depth of the TTP.
27:46 And they have
27:48 training camps there,
27:50 they have the freedom
27:52 of import and export,
27:54 they are received at the highest level,
27:56 they are accommodated,
27:58 and they do not have
28:00 any kind of oppression
28:02 on them,
28:04 despite the pressure of Pakistan.
28:06 So now what should we do,
28:08 which is your question,
28:10 it has three dimensions.
28:12 The first thing is that we have
28:14 given the warning to the
28:16 Kabul administration at the highest level
28:18 that we will take the necessary steps
28:20 according to the requirements of our national security.
28:22 And we have economic instruments in it,
28:24 we have diplomatic instruments,
28:26 we have kinetic instruments.
28:28 But gradually I think
28:30 they will be used with caution,
28:32 but I think it will be done with clarity.
28:34 Now I will give you a small example,
28:36 let's not talk about terrorism.
28:38 You see, at the moment,
28:40 the Pakistan market is worth
28:42 about 250 million dollars
28:44 for the coal of Afghanistan.
28:46 How important it is for the energy of Pakistan.
28:48 And Pakistan is the largest market
28:50 for their coal export.
28:52 As soon as the Afghan Taliban came to power,
28:54 they increased its duty by double.
28:56 So that the coal coming to Pakistan,
28:58 which is raw material for energy,
29:00 becomes twice as expensive.
29:02 Pakistan was looking at Indonesia
29:04 and Africa for cheaper.
29:06 So we expect them
29:08 that we have opened our homes
29:10 for you for 40 years.
29:12 Mr. Chaudhary, Mr. Ghulam
29:14 wants to ask a question
29:16 from Chaudhary Ghulam from Lahore.
29:18 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
29:20 See, the details you have told
29:22 are very important.
29:24 But the situation in Afghanistan
29:26 is very disturbing.
29:28 The situation in Afghanistan
29:30 is very disturbing.
29:32 First the British,
29:34 then Russia,
29:36 then America.
29:38 And today,
29:40 two years have passed
29:42 and they are sitting.
29:44 They are getting peace.
29:46 And our Balochistan and KPI
29:48 and other areas are also
29:50 suffering from bloodshed.
29:52 The attacks are also increasing.
29:54 Terrorism, destruction
29:56 and wrong interference.
29:58 And it is possible that
30:00 our next enemy,
30:02 India,
30:04 will also be involved.
30:06 So this situation is not acceptable.
30:08 We have to
30:10 face all of them.
30:12 The only thing is that
30:14 our diplomatic efforts
30:16 are not visible.
30:18 If we cannot
30:20 control anything,
30:22 then who else can we do?
30:24 This is a question.
30:26 But before answering it,
30:28 I want to tell you two thoughts.
30:30 John Kirby is
30:32 the translator of the Pentagon.
30:34 He has told Pakistan
30:36 about the threats of terrorism.
30:38 Pakistani people
30:40 continue to
30:42 suffer the threat from terrorism.
30:44 Particularly along that
30:46 border.
30:48 There is a lot
30:50 of danger that still
30:52 poses to the Pakistani people.
30:54 And the President understands that.
30:56 And he is committed to continue to work with Pakistan.
30:58 He also said
31:00 that there is a big
31:02 criticism on the Americans
31:04 that they left their weapons behind.
31:06 There are also news that
31:08 the weapons of the TTP
31:10 and other terrorist organizations
31:12 in Afghanistan are in their hands.
31:14 Equipment that
31:16 the Americans left behind
31:18 was transferred
31:20 well in advance of our departure
31:22 to the Afghan National Security Forces.
31:24 They abandoned that equipment.
31:26 Not the United States.
31:28 This is very interesting.
31:30 He said that we had left our weapons
31:32 for the Afghan army.
31:34 What can we do?
31:36 Again, there is a method to the madness.
31:38 I will add to the question
31:40 that Mr. Chouhi asked.
31:42 Our former Foreign Minister,
31:44 he travelled all around the world.
31:46 He did not leave any corner.
31:48 Afghanistan was his only destination.
31:50 If I am not mistaken.
31:52 Mr. Jalil Abbas Jalani
31:54 also came and there are news
31:56 that he is also going on a tour this week.
31:58 Afghanistan, the question that Mr. Chouhi
32:00 has raised, the main concern
32:02 and focus should be on Afghanistan.
32:04 Because the way we are bleeding,
32:06 all our wheat is going there,
32:08 all our sugar is going there,
32:10 all our wheat is going there.
32:12 We are unable to stop the spread
32:14 of the virus.
32:16 So, do you really think that
32:18 we have failed in the embassy?
32:20 Our proactive approach should have been
32:22 there, but it did not happen.
32:24 You asked a very important question.
32:26 I will try to answer it quickly.
32:28 The first thing is that what is
32:30 Pakistan's biggest national security
32:32 interest at the moment?
32:34 That we become politically stable,
32:36 we improve the security environment,
32:38 we bring investment and
32:40 economic challenges.
32:42 This is our national security interest
32:44 and there is no rocket science in it.
32:46 Now, the way America
32:48 separated from Afghanistan,
32:50 we said that it was
32:52 irresponsible to some extent,
32:54 it was hurried, it was rushed,
32:56 it was thought through and it was not planned.
32:58 We have to look at the context
33:00 at the global level and it is a fact
33:02 that the Afghan national army
33:04 just vanished into thin air.
33:06 So, all the weapons
33:08 that are there,
33:10 now you tell me, when 8 billion dollars
33:12 will be frozen by the American
33:14 because of the pressure,
33:16 they do not have diplomatic
33:18 recognition,
33:20 if there is no foreign direct investment
33:22 on the big legs,
33:24 then what will they do in reality?
33:26 It is not our fault.
33:28 No, no, I am coming to that.
33:30 First, I will cover all three aspects,
33:32 I am not blaming anyone.
33:34 I am telling you that they will either
33:36 start selling to terrorist organizations
33:38 or they will sell what they have.
33:40 The second thing is that the trade
33:42 of drugs has also been on a very large scale.
33:44 This is a fact.
33:46 Now, Pakistan's interest is
33:48 what I told in all three dimensions,
33:50 ideologically, economically, socially
33:52 and militarily.
33:54 We have to save ourselves from the
33:56 instability, insecurity, terrorism
33:58 of Afghanistan.
34:00 So, diplomatic efforts, as you said,
34:02 are very important, but they are not enough.
34:04 The diplomatic efforts are not
34:06 just a diplomatic visit.
34:08 Along with that,
34:10 you have to exercise your
34:12 leverages and give some incentives.
34:14 We have worked very patiently
34:16 for two years,
34:18 and I think our hospitality has been
34:20 taken unfair advantage of to some extent
34:22 and it has been overestimated.
34:24 And our ability to cause pain
34:26 to this administration has also been
34:28 underestimated.
34:30 Now I understand that the government institutions
34:32 like our military leadership
34:34 and our national government
34:36 understand that
34:38 we cannot offer
34:40 such a free lunch.
34:42 And only goodwill has not worked.
34:44 It is not that it has not been offered.
34:46 Engagements have been made at the highest level.
34:48 But they have not let their
34:50 commitment to use their territory
34:52 against Pakistan.
34:54 I think they are deliberately
34:56 neglecting it.
34:58 It is not that they are looking the other way.
35:00 The TTP and Afghan Taliban
35:02 have a rank and file
35:04 and there is interchangeability.
35:06 They keep coming and going.
35:08 Sometimes there is a tribal structure
35:10 and other things.
35:12 So they seem to be unsuccessful.
35:14 And I think,
35:16 answering Mr. Chaudhary's question,
35:18 I will clearly say that
35:20 I see a lack of capacity
35:22 and a lack of political will
35:24 on the part of the Afghan Taliban
35:26 that the TTP's campaigns
35:28 against Pakistan should be stopped.
35:30 So now I think that
35:32 Pakistan has three options.
35:34 We will continue our diplomacy.
35:36 And if any kinetic option
35:38 is understood in the national security
35:40 interest and it is decided,
35:42 then it can be used.
35:44 Number three,
35:46 our economic leverage is very high.
35:48 Quickly, I am talking about coal.
35:50 They earn 250 million dollars
35:52 from Pakistan.
35:54 No one else in this region buys coal from them.
35:56 If we buy coal from Indonesia
35:58 and Africa,
36:00 we are getting 40,000 tons of coal.
36:02 35,000 tons of coal is available
36:04 from Africa and Indonesia.
36:06 If we buy from there,
36:08 this will immediately reduce their revenue
36:10 by 250 million dollars.
36:12 The second thing is that we have just closed
36:14 the Turkish border.
36:16 But now we understand that
36:18 the millions of Afghans who are illegally
36:20 residing here, now it is time
36:22 that they should go back home
36:24 and should develop their country
36:26 and our problems will be reduced.
36:28 You are right,
36:30 we have to take care of our homes.
36:32 We have taken care of it a lot.
36:34 We will continue to do so in the future
36:36 because our neighbor is the country.
36:38 But it is not possible that our home
36:40 will burn and you can sit comfortably.
36:42 The point that Muhammad Ali made
36:44 that we need political stability
36:46 in the country, how will it come?
36:48 In Pakistan, especially in Islamabad,
36:50 a convention is going on.
36:52 It has just ended.
36:54 We will talk about the Supreme Court Bar Association
36:56 and what happened there
36:58 for the rule of law in Pakistan.
37:00 We will talk about it.
37:02 Today, a decision was made in Islamabad High Court.
37:04 We will talk about it in detail after the break.
37:06 Welcome back.
37:08 Today, in Islamabad High Court,
37:10 Justice Babar Sattar took up a case.
37:12 The case is about the MPO
37:14 and the MPO order.
37:16 Islamabad High Court
37:18 has taken up the case of
37:20 SSP Operations Jameel Zafar,
37:22 DPO Farooq Buttar
37:24 and SHO Nasir Manzoor.
37:26 The case has been taken up.
37:28 Islamabad High Court has issued
37:30 an unconstitutional pardon to DC Islamabad.
37:32 Islamabad High Court
37:34 Justice Babar Sattar has read
37:36 all four cases and given a hearing.
37:38 All the officers present in the courtroom
37:40 were also present.
37:42 Today, the case is going to be taken up.
37:44 In this case,
37:46 there is a six-month imprisonment.
37:48 The accused should remain in jail for a while.
37:50 This is Justice Babar Sattar's remarks.
37:52 You should know how others
37:54 remain in jail.
37:56 Justice Babar Sattar has read
37:58 all the cases.
38:00 He has instructed all the officers
38:02 to sign the papers.
38:04 All the officers have refused to
38:06 sign the papers.
38:08 Hasan, what does your system
38:10 say about this case?
38:12 When Justice Babar Sattar
38:14 has issued a ruling
38:16 regarding the MPO,
38:18 Islamabad High Court is a small city.
38:20 Why did the officers
38:22 have to face
38:24 such a high hand?
38:26 There is no need to worry.
38:28 The ICA will file a complaint.
38:30 The Supreme Court will inform
38:32 the High Court that the ruling
38:34 is from the Supreme Court.
38:36 The content of the ruling
38:38 should be retained.
38:40 I hope that it will be retained.
38:42 The DBA will stay in the ICA.
38:44 Let's see what the DBA does.
38:46 I think it will take a long time.
38:48 The content of the ruling
38:50 has been initiated.
38:52 But it will be executed.
38:54 I don't see it happening.
38:56 The system says that
38:58 there is no need to worry.
39:00 The system says that.
39:02 Ravi, what does your Ravi say?
39:04 How do you see this whole thing?
39:06 I say that
39:08 these people should be
39:10 put in the car and
39:12 sent to the police station.
39:14 There is a lot of
39:16 goonism and lawlessness in the country.
39:18 People are being
39:20 arrested and their homes are being
39:22 demolished.
39:24 People are telling us that
39:26 there is a loss of Rs. 1.5 crore,
39:28 Rs. 2 crore, Rs. 200 crore
39:30 in people's homes.
39:32 This will be a tradition.
39:34 Whoever you want to deal with,
39:36 Hassan Ayub, who wants to get people
39:38 hanged or get them punished,
39:40 I say, why did you take so long?
39:42 You should finish this in a week.
39:44 But why is the life of common people
39:46 being made so cheap?
39:48 Stop it.
39:50 Hassan, today the Supreme Court
39:52 Barg, which was held under the
39:54 All Pakistan Mugla Convention,
39:56 has been declared.
39:58 In the declaration, it is said
40:00 that the rulers of the law
40:02 and the rights of the people
40:04 are above the law.
40:06 The general election
40:08 will be held on 9th of Rose
40:10 under the constitution.
40:12 The lawyers of the country
40:14 will defend the constitution
40:16 and protect the rights of the people.
40:18 These are the main points.
40:20 The main thing is that
40:22 they will announce a strike on 14th September.
40:24 They will announce a nationwide strike on 14th September.
40:26 Rabia Bajwa is there.
40:28 I was saying the same thing, Hassan.
40:30 You are in London.
40:32 London's winds are a little faster.
40:34 You are going ahead.
40:36 Rabia Bajwa is there.
40:38 She is the leader of Punjab Bar.
40:40 Let's hear her statement.
40:42 Let's hear her statement.
40:44 Irzaad Hassan
41:08 was also there.
41:10 He was there through Zoom.
41:12 Let's hear what he said.
41:14 Ladies and gentlemen,
41:38 after the meeting of the council,
41:40 let's see how the
41:42 Bukla Convention progresses.
41:44 We need political and
41:46 economic empowerment in the country.
41:48 It is necessary for all our institutions
41:50 including Bukla,
41:52 civil society,
41:54 to sit together and
41:56 move the country forward according to the law.
41:58 That's all for today. We will meet again tomorrow.