Graham and Dave return to mourn the loss of the legendary William Friedkin, so this week we are discussing the importance of his classic horror The Exorcist.
We also pick a horror from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and present day that we feel changed the game for horror films.
There's also a wee review for new comedy Joyride in there. Is it any good?
We also pick a horror from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and present day that we feel changed the game for horror films.
There's also a wee review for new comedy Joyride in there. Is it any good?
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00:02 - Hello and welcome to Not Everyone's a Film Critic,
00:09 a podcast or podcast if you prefer,
00:11 hosted by myself as always, Graham Falk
00:13 and I'm joined by Dave Hepburn.
00:14 Dave, normally it's me saying I haven't seen any films,
00:19 but you haven't seen any films this week.
00:21 What's wrong?
00:22 - I feel very, very bad.
00:23 Can I just say as well, I've got roadworks going out there
00:26 and we're earbuds for the first time.
00:28 One may fall out and if it does,
00:30 then I'll disappear for a bit,
00:32 but then I'll be right back up.
00:33 So just to explain if I dive out of view for a second,
00:36 I am at the Edinburgh Festival right now.
00:38 I'm at the Edinburgh International Festival,
00:40 the Edinburgh Fringe Festival
00:41 and all of the lovely Edinburgh festivals.
00:43 So I've been spending time in converted lecture theatres,
00:46 circus tents and broom cupboards,
00:47 seeing all manner of plays and comedy over the past week
00:51 and I'll continue to do so for the rest of August.
00:53 So actually next week,
00:54 I probably won't have seen any films as well.
00:57 I will not see any films in fact
00:58 until the Edinburgh International Film Festival starts
01:02 on the 18th of August,
01:03 at which point I will go and see several films
01:04 that I will tell you about here.
01:06 But for anyone within short travelling distance of Edinburgh,
01:10 I don't think a lot of people know
01:12 about the Edinburgh International Film Festival.
01:13 This year is a slightly cut back affair
01:16 because there was some financial issues,
01:18 which we don't need to go into,
01:19 but it is back, it's a shortened version.
01:21 It goes on from the 18th to the 23rd of August,
01:24 starting with the opening film,
01:25 which is a film called "Silent Roar".
01:27 It's a world's premiere
01:28 and it's a film about surfers on the Outer Hebrides
01:31 and it closes on the 23rd of August
01:33 with an American film called "Freemance",
01:36 which is I suppose most noticeable
01:38 'cause it stars Jeremy Alan White,
01:42 who's kind of the flavour of the month right now
01:44 'cause of his starring role in the Bayer TV programme,
01:46 which is, I think most people are saying,
01:49 one of the best TV programmes in the world.
01:51 This year it's gonna go on and win lots of Emmys and stuff.
01:53 So hopefully he'll be in Edinburgh.
01:54 I'm quite excited that he might be in Edinburgh for that.
01:57 I think it's a UK premiere.
01:58 So if you have the chance, go to Edinburgh Film Festival.
02:01 You might be interested in the screen
02:03 because I know you like the Everyman Cinemix.
02:05 It's quite comfortable, but it's quite expensive.
02:08 But during the Film Festival,
02:09 they're doing screenings in the Everyman,
02:10 but it's Film Festival prices.
02:12 So I think it's nine pounds to go to the Everyman.
02:15 - In terms of films, to be fair,
02:17 I haven't seen much either.
02:19 - There's not much out at the moment.
02:21 There's not much.
02:22 I mean, again, because of the Barbieheimer thing,
02:24 not a lot other than, say, Talk to Me,
02:26 which we've already seen.
02:27 So yeah.
02:29 - But I did go see something
02:30 and I went to see it just because there was like,
02:33 as you said, not a great deal on.
02:36 I probably wouldn't have seen it in most circumstances,
02:39 but my fiance was desperate to see it.
02:41 She went, "I just feel like it'd be good.
02:42 I feel like it'd be good."
02:44 And I was like, "Oh, I don't think it's gonna be good."
02:47 And then I read Rotten Tomatoes,
02:49 which gave it a 91% review,
02:53 which means there's actually five films
02:54 in the cinema at the moment. - Five, yeah.
02:56 - With a 90 plus Rotten Tomatoes review.
02:58 And the film was Joyride.
03:00 - Oh yeah, I saw a trailer for that.
03:03 - Don't be fueled, fueled?
03:06 Don't be, do be fueled by the trailer.
03:09 And it looks like a kind of straightforward,
03:13 pretty blasé film that like is gonna do nothing.
03:17 And I was expecting that,
03:19 and I give it a solid 7.5 out of 10.
03:22 - It's not, it doesn't break any rules of filmmaking.
03:26 It's not like the most iconic movie
03:28 I've ever seen in my life.
03:29 But I think there's about seven times
03:31 that I really spat out my Tango ice blast,
03:32 the amount of times that I laughed at it.
03:34 An opening scene, which is just hilarious.
03:39 I won't give too much away
03:40 because it is genuinely really, really, really funny.
03:42 And I think most people will agree that it's very funny.
03:46 I think I can understand why it's got such a high rating.
03:49 I would kind of equate it to,
03:51 not that the film's similar,
03:54 but I remember when "Bridesmaids" came out
03:55 and I was like, eh,
03:56 that probably won't be of interest to me, to be honest.
03:59 And now it's like hilarious,
04:01 one of the best films that I've seen.
04:02 Or maybe, you know, back in the day,
04:04 I think "The Hangover" seemed pretty like,
04:06 oh, it's gonna be boring.
04:07 Men going, oh, "The Hangover,"
04:09 crazy things have happened.
04:10 And it ended up being very funny at the time.
04:11 There were a lot of different people.
04:14 It's very similar to that,
04:15 but with a little bit more heart.
04:16 So essentially, two,
04:19 the film starts with two Asian girls,
04:21 one who comes from an Asian family,
04:22 the other one has been adopted in America,
04:24 and they're the only two Asian children,
04:27 and the children, they kind of grow up
04:28 and they become like,
04:29 one's a successful lawyer,
04:30 the other one makes artwork,
04:32 makes phalluses, basically,
04:35 makes different shaped like things out of penises.
04:38 And she's an artist that likes to express sexuality
04:42 through her artwork.
04:43 So you'll have like, I don't know,
04:45 slides made out of a penis, basically,
04:47 and stuff like that.
04:48 And essentially,
04:50 where the film sort of starts is,
04:54 they have to go away to,
04:56 so the lawyer needs to go away on a business trip to China
05:00 to meet this person.
05:01 And it's the first time she's gone back to the homeland.
05:03 And when she goes back to meet this person,
05:05 it's the break,
05:07 I think a business deal or something like that.
05:10 It doesn't really matter what she's doing.
05:11 She goes to China to meet this guy.
05:13 And she learns all these different things
05:15 like they do in China and stuff.
05:16 But as you can expect,
05:18 she also goes over there to kind of discover her heritage
05:22 in many ways.
05:23 And her friend comes with her as like a interpreter.
05:27 And crazy fun things happen
05:29 and hilarious, silly things happen.
05:32 Some quite shocking things happen as well,
05:33 which made me kind of go,
05:35 I didn't expect that in this film.
05:37 And it's kind of her way of finding out about her heritage
05:42 and where she's from.
05:43 I won't go too much further into that.
05:45 It's not massively deep, I think it wants to be,
05:48 but I don't think it really needs to be,
05:49 but it's laugh out loud.
05:51 I'd really recommend it.
05:52 If you want to see something nice and easy,
05:53 that's just gonna like tickle your fancy
05:55 and has really funny female leads in it.
05:57 Yeah, that's perfectly it.
05:59 It's got, I don't know how to pronounce her surname,
06:02 so I'm not gonna try, but Stephanie HSU.
06:05 So I think it's Hsu, Hsu?
06:06 - Mm-hmm.
06:07 - Who plays Jobu Tabaki from "Everything Ever All at Once."
06:12 She's in it as well. - Oh, yeah.
06:15 - I'm trying to think the best way to pop this,
06:17 but basically an extremely horny actress,
06:22 which makes it very funny throughout,
06:26 but that's what she plays and it's very, very funny.
06:28 There's four of these friends go over eventually to China
06:33 and this is the two best friends
06:35 and then another best friend who's kind of like
06:37 a new best friend of the other person,
06:39 and then someone said, but it's good.
06:41 It's very funny.
06:42 And I don't think it's gonna explode in life
06:47 and make you make it your favorite film of the year,
06:51 but it will definitely make you laugh
06:53 and it doesn't go on too long and it just serves a purpose
06:56 and it's so much better than so many films like that,
06:59 which are just like, why have you made that?
07:01 It's very funny, it's very good.
07:02 And all of the leads in it are extremely funny,
07:05 especially the main one for me, they're all very good,
07:09 but Sherry Cooler, I think she's called,
07:11 which is a great name, is very, very, very good in the movie
07:14 but that's all I've seen this week, Dave, to be honest.
07:17 I look forward to seeing it.
07:18 No, like I'll go and see it.
07:18 I mean, we need good laughs sometimes.
07:19 You don't have to have everything meaning something
07:21 or mattering, just thinking people's quite nice, isn't it?
07:24 So I will definitely go and see that.
07:25 That will be added to the list.
07:26 Hopefully it'll be in the cinemas for a couple of weeks
07:27 so I can go and see it after the festival.
07:29 - Yes, fingers crossed.
07:30 And obviously there's a few things coming out this week.
07:31 There's the Meg 2,
07:32 which I'm sure is gonna be absolutely brilliant.
07:36 I'm not entirely sure why they made a second version
07:38 of the one that no one even cared about originally.
07:40 - Ben Wheatley has directed that.
07:43 Ben Wheatley, one of my favorite directors.
07:44 I know you didn't know that, did you?
07:46 Ben Wheatley's directed the Meg 2.
07:48 I don't know.
07:49 I don't know.
07:50 I mean, I think he probably got paid a lot of money to do it.
07:52 But I mean, why would a director like that,
07:55 who's produced so many great films, suddenly make,
07:58 I mean, not even a glorified B movie, just a B movie,
08:00 but I think it makes a lot of money.
08:01 And I think that, I guess, I mean, you would,
08:04 if I chucked money at you to do something
08:06 just a bit rubbish, would you not do it?
08:08 I think I would.
08:11 But anyway, Ben Wheatley directing the Meg 2,
08:12 I'm not sure if I said,
08:13 but the thing is that I'm gonna have to go and see it
08:14 'cause I've seen all of Ben Wheatley's films.
08:16 So I feel like I do need to go and see it,
08:17 but I feel I've come out a bit disappointed in him.
08:20 Not angry, just disappointed in Ben Wheatley.
08:22 - There's also, obviously, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
08:25 which I'll be honest, I'm not really fancying at all.
08:28 - No.
08:29 - I don't think it's anything like that.
08:30 - It didn't look good.
08:32 No, like I liked the cartoon when it was wee,
08:33 but the trailer looks shockingly bad.
08:36 But maybe it won't be, but yeah,
08:38 I don't fancy that myself either.
08:40 - Yeah, like I'm not,
08:41 I don't know anything about animation,
08:43 but they look like they've been drawn in crayon
08:44 and that's kind of turned me off straight away.
08:47 Mission Impossible's still in there.
08:49 Talk to Me's still in there,
08:50 which we rated really highly.
08:51 Barbie, Oppenheimer.
08:52 And then outside of that, this Friday,
08:57 you've got Gran Turismo, I think, has come out as well,
08:59 which I haven't seen it.
09:02 I can't comment on it,
09:03 but our Scotsman film critic, Alastair Harkness,
09:06 has rated it a one out of five.
09:08 - Oh, I might want to go and see that as well then.
09:12 Another one star film.
09:13 Because it might be terrible,
09:15 but I don't know how, with Geri Halliwell's in it.
09:18 - Yeah, that's not a good sign, is it?
09:20 How many good films has Geri Halliwell been in?
09:23 - How many films has she been in?
09:24 Oh, Spice World, to be fair, is one.
09:26 - I actually didn't hate Spice World.
09:28 I liked Meatloaf and Spice World,
09:30 and I liked Richard E. Grant in it as well.
09:32 - Yeah, I kind of forget that.
09:34 I kind of forget that he was actually in it, RIP.
09:37 But talking of, obviously, the topic of this week,
09:40 we haven't got a great deal to speak about
09:42 in terms of movies that have came out,
09:43 because A, the festival's on,
09:44 B, there's not a great deal of movies that have came out.
09:47 But obviously, one big thing that happened this week,
09:48 which is really sad news,
09:49 was that William Friedkin died.
09:51 Obviously, the director of Sorcerer,
09:53 the director of most probably known, The Exorcist,
09:55 and loads of other good stuff.
09:57 So we decided the topic of this week
09:59 would be based on a piece that I wrote, I think, yesterday.
10:02 'Cause I got thinking a lot about The Exorcist,
10:05 and I think most people know The Exorcist.
10:07 And for me, The Exorcist is probably
10:09 one of the most influential horror movies
10:11 and pieces of cinema of all time.
10:14 And I think it'd be pretty hard to argue against it.
10:18 And then it got me thinking,
10:19 obviously, horror is probably the most,
10:21 should we say, got the most dedicated fan base,
10:24 I think, in terms of genre for film.
10:27 And then you think, why has it stayed relevant?
10:29 'Cause there's been times when it's dipped,
10:30 there's been times when it's come back,
10:32 and has there been a film of the time
10:34 that's kind of kept it afloat?
10:36 So we decided the topic of this week was gonna be,
10:39 you can either choose most important,
10:40 we'll probably discuss both, or best,
10:43 film from each decade from the '70s onwards
10:46 that has either defined genre of horror,
10:51 or has kind of give it a boost,
10:56 or has become a game-changer, if you prefer.
11:00 I've wrote an article on this as well,
11:02 but it's gonna be a bit more expansive
11:03 because we're gonna choose most important
11:05 and also best, and there'll be other films coming into it.
11:07 And the idea originally came from,
11:10 'cause we'll start with the '70s,
11:12 The Exorcist, of course, was the one I chose,
11:16 but there's other films in there.
11:17 But before we go into what we could potentially
11:20 be the best horror film of the 1970s,
11:23 just a wee word from you, Dave,
11:24 and obviously, "Freaking," and the impact The Exorcist had.
11:28 I mean, how important is that film
11:30 in the landscape of just cinema?
11:33 I mean, you were alive, you were about 30-year-old
11:35 when it came out, so.
11:35 (Dave laughs)
11:37 - Yeah, it was about my 30th birthday, right?
11:39 I remember it well.
11:40 I don't remember it that well 'cause it was so long ago,
11:42 and I'm about 90 years old right now.
11:44 But yeah, it's funny.
11:46 I mean, I'm not sure,
11:47 when I was actually looking at this,
11:48 and we'll go on to our films that have made the cut for this,
11:52 I'm not sure.
11:53 I think it's slightly overdone how influential it is.
11:55 Of course it's influential,
11:56 and it's obviously one of the all-time greatest horrors.
11:59 I think we were talking before in a different conversation
12:01 about how scary it is,
12:02 and whether modern audiences would find The Exorcist scary.
12:05 I think they would to a certain extent.
12:07 But the number of tropes,
12:08 I suppose why it is influential is the number of tropes
12:11 that originated within The Exorcist,
12:14 and now are used in every single film
12:16 that's got demonic possession.
12:18 The kind of jerky movements, the heads going round,
12:21 horrible swearing, the vomiting, stuff like that.
12:23 All that pretty much came from The Exorcist.
12:25 So that was absolutely, like it really is.
12:27 But I think the biggest influence that it had
12:28 is actually in marketing,
12:30 because there's so many stories about The Exorcist
12:32 and the way it was marketed.
12:33 And it's one of these things that it was marketed so well
12:35 because it was marketed as being so scary,
12:37 you're gonna pass out in the cinema.
12:38 It was said that people in the States
12:40 were having heart attacks and had to be carried out.
12:42 There were paramedics waiting in the winds.
12:45 Then there's all this stuff about old people dying on set,
12:47 which was slightly overdone.
12:49 I think the set burned down, and they used that really well.
12:51 So it was a proper PR thing,
12:53 which is now used as a matter of course with lots of films.
12:55 And look at Barbie, look at build up to Barbie
12:57 over a 12-month period.
12:59 Or look at something like Talk to Me,
13:01 where we were talking about it
13:03 because people were saying
13:04 that it was the scariest horror movie of the decades.
13:06 Probably isn't, but if people get that into their heads
13:09 and you get the newspaper articles and stuff like that,
13:12 then it works.
13:12 So I think as a marketing exercise,
13:14 it was probably the best marketing exercise
13:18 of all time for a film at the time.
13:20 And it's probably still right up there with the best.
13:22 And it was getting a lot of people to go and see a film
13:24 that otherwise people probably wouldn't have wanted to go to
13:27 but people going, "Oh, we've got to experience it.
13:30 Oh, it's so scary, I'm gonna faint.
13:31 Oh, all these people died on set."
13:34 So it kind of created its own myth.
13:36 And I think that is maybe the most influential thing
13:39 about it.
13:40 But it is still a great film.
13:41 Like I watched it, I think I watched it last time last year
13:43 and it does actually scare me still.
13:45 I think it's because I can remember watching it
13:47 for the first time more than anything else.
13:50 I think if I was to come to it fresh now,
13:52 I'm not sure how much it would scare me
13:53 'cause it is quite funny, some of it.
13:54 And we were talking about that before as well.
13:56 There's some of it which was scary,
13:58 is now so overblown and so like used in like comedy
14:03 and skits and satire that it is quite funny.
14:06 And obviously we can't repeat the lines here
14:07 'cause otherwise we would both be sacked.
14:09 But the very famous lines saying very naughty things
14:12 to the priest.
14:13 They are, you see you're laughing
14:16 and most people are laughing
14:17 'cause most people would say that line.
14:19 And like people would laugh,
14:20 they wouldn't go, "That's shocking anymore."
14:21 'Cause it's not shocking anymore.
14:22 But yeah, there's absolutely no doubt
14:24 that it did lead the way for marketing of films
14:28 and that thing, this is the scariest horror ever.
14:32 You've got to sign something to say
14:35 that if you have a heart attack in the cinema,
14:37 the film company's not to blame
14:38 and all this sort of stuff,
14:39 which is great fun, isn't it?
14:40 And that continues with lots of films
14:42 that we'll probably talk about now as well.
14:44 - Yeah, I think, I mean, I recently seen it,
14:46 most recently, I think it was 2021.
14:52 I went to see it at the Falkirk Stadium,
14:56 funnily enough, they had a drive-thru event at Halloween
14:58 and we went to see it, it started at midnight.
15:01 And I'd also seen it, I think it's half two
15:04 in the morning once.
15:05 And I think it's great, I still love it.
15:08 There is parts when I laugh
15:09 because the stupidity and vulgarity
15:13 of what she says is actually hilarious in many ways.
15:17 I don't know what that says about me as a person,
15:19 but that's just me.
15:20 But I mean, it is still scary.
15:25 I went to Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando,
15:28 something I dreamed to do.
15:29 And one of the houses they had at the time was The Exorcist.
15:33 And you went through all the different screens
15:36 and stuff like that.
15:37 And whenever I watch Exorcist now,
15:39 I mean, it was universal to all,
15:41 the house looked exactly the same,
15:42 the music was working and it was just brilliant,
15:44 especially if you're a fan of The Exorcist.
15:46 Got a poster on my wall,
15:47 I don't think you can see, but there is one behind me.
15:50 So I'm obviously a huge fan.
15:51 There was this very scared,
15:56 very scared American man with his friend.
15:59 I had a backpack on, it was boiling,
16:02 because it was Florida.
16:03 And I had my ex-partner at the front,
16:07 who was also a little bit scared.
16:09 And she had hold my hand really tightly gripped.
16:11 And I was kind of like, "Oh, this will be cool.
16:13 "Like you're gonna get some jump scares,
16:14 "but see Exorcist, how great is this?"
16:16 And the very scared American man said,
16:19 "Excuse me, sir, do you mind if I grab onto your bag?
16:22 "'Cause I am going to mess myself."
16:27 And I said, "Yes, sir, not a problem,
16:30 "grab onto my bag."
16:32 And there's a point when we turned the corner
16:34 into the room where she's on the bed,
16:36 and she's getting all the cuts and the help me on her stomach
16:39 and it was that scene that we're showcasing.
16:41 But the priest came on the corner,
16:43 it was that actor dressed up and was like,
16:44 "The power of Christ compels you."
16:46 And as he did that,
16:48 my ex-partner ran this way, still holding my hand,
16:54 as the American guy who had his hands in my backpack
16:58 like that, pulled backwards as if like,
17:01 you know when you watch cartoons with like,
17:03 is it Roadrunner when he's trying to run up the wall
17:08 to get away from things?
17:09 - Yeah. - Like that
17:10 in separate directions.
17:10 So I almost got like decapitated and pulled apart
17:13 in both sides in front of this priest.
17:15 But it always reminds me of that.
17:16 But yeah, the Exorcist, I still think it's great.
17:19 I don't think I've seen a possession movie as good as--
17:22 - No, I agree.
17:23 - Like, yes, I know that it's set the tone
17:27 for Exorcist movies, but there can be better ones,
17:29 but you always hear, "Oh, the Exorcism of Emily Rose
17:33 is the best, like this film,
17:35 the Spanish film, I can't remember the name,
17:36 is the best, it's the scariest possession movie ever."
17:39 And then I watch it and I go, "Exorcist was better."
17:42 - I agree, I agree.
17:43 I think, yeah.
17:44 I mean, were I a film director, horror film director,
17:48 which would be great, I wish I was,
17:50 I just wouldn't do a film like that
17:51 because I would just think,
17:52 "Well, what's the point in many ways?"
17:54 You know, it just is the ultimate film.
17:56 And you'd just be boring from it
17:57 because there's only so much you can do with it.
17:59 And the Exorcist has kind of done it.
18:01 And you're right, whenever I go and see,
18:02 like, I don't really like those sort of films,
18:03 and actually they're part of it because of that.
18:04 So I just think I'd rather see the Exorcist.
18:07 - I mean, it's called The Exorcist.
18:09 - Yes, there should be lots of Exorcists,
18:11 it's The Exorcist.
18:13 - It just does it.
18:14 Before we sort of move on to what we think
18:16 could challenge us the most,
18:18 'cause obviously it was 1974 that Friedkin released that.
18:21 Friedkin, sorry.
18:22 In terms of what film could,
18:26 there is a film that could challenge it, I think.
18:30 I will tell you what I think in a minute.
18:32 But before we do, obviously, based on a true story,
18:35 I did a lot of research on this yesterday
18:37 because, to be honest, I don't really care
18:39 what's based on a true story and what isn't.
18:41 But it is interesting when you see the story.
18:43 And I think the guy who,
18:45 so they changed the story to a single-parent family
18:48 because it was actually not a single-parent family.
18:50 And it was a young boy of 13, I think,
18:53 he was called Roland Doe,
18:55 ended up being called, I think, Roland Honaker,
18:58 who actually these things allegedly happened to.
19:01 And he actually worked with NASA
19:03 on, I think, the Apollo landings of 1969.
19:08 He worked with NASA, basically.
19:09 And he kept his real identity kind of under wraps
19:14 until he died in 2020.
19:16 And then his, I think his wife or his partner came out
19:18 and said, "Look, this was who he was.
19:22 "And this sort of thing happened to him
19:23 "and stuff when he was young and so on and so forth."
19:25 And apparently a lot of the scenes,
19:27 'cause it was William Peter Blarty that wrote the book.
19:31 It was based on the exorcisms that he had
19:34 and he went through.
19:36 And outside of the head spinning around
19:37 and crawling on the ceiling,
19:39 allegedly a lot of these things happened.
19:41 But the one key difference between the movie and real life,
19:44 allegedly, reportedly, is that,
19:46 you know when she has helped me scratched on her stomach?
19:49 It was allegedly that Louis, L-O-U-I-S,
19:52 was scratched on his stomach.
19:54 And that was because the priest that was actually able
19:56 to get rid of the demon was at St. Louis University,
20:00 I think, and some other, I think it was his aunt,
20:03 allegedly, was trying to connect through past this demon
20:06 and say, "Go to St. Louis University.
20:08 "You can get help there."
20:09 And that's where everything started and stuff.
20:12 But allegedly all of the violent outbursts,
20:14 the sweary mouth, the vomiting, the spitting,
20:17 and all that kind of stuff actually did happen
20:21 to this young boy.
20:22 So it wasn't actually something
20:24 that was necessarily directed or made.
20:25 It was part of something that this child
20:30 had allegedly gone through,
20:32 but it kept it private up until his death in 2020.
20:35 - That's very interesting.
20:37 - I've got the film online,
20:39 bit of a plug for my article there,
20:41 but it is online if you're interested in reading more
20:42 like in "On the Scotchman."
20:44 - I certainly will.
20:45 I should say, Graham, though,
20:46 we've not mentioned this.
20:47 I mean, "Wildly Exorcist" is maybe the best film
20:50 about exorcism.
20:50 "The Pope's Exorcist" is obviously a very close second.
20:53 - Probably the best.
20:57 - No, I don't.
20:57 - To be honest.
20:58 Because did Regan get on a Vespa?
21:03 No?
21:03 - I was gonna say, how many Russell Crows on Vespas
21:06 are there in "The Exorcist"?
21:08 - Speak to my boss if you have it, brother.
21:12 The Pope.
21:15 Very good film.
21:16 If you haven't seen "The Pope's Exorcist,"
21:17 me and Dave have a total love-in with it.
21:20 You should go see it.
21:21 But I think whilst we're on the '70s
21:23 before moving to '80s,
21:24 which is a little bit more rich
21:25 in terms of like good horrors,
21:27 I think "The Exorcist" is probably the most iconic
21:31 and influential horror of the '70s.
21:33 But I don't know what your answer to this is gonna be,
21:37 but I'm-
21:38 - I think we're gonna pick the same film.
21:39 I think we're gonna pick the same film.
21:41 - Well, mine's "The Exorcist."
21:43 I'm gonna choose that.
21:44 But there is a debate that Joe's-
21:46 - Ah, now that's interesting.
21:49 Yeah.
21:50 What would you go for?
21:52 - Well, I've been interested.
21:53 So I've gone for a 1973 film,
21:54 which I think was the same year
21:56 or the year before "The Exorcist,"
21:57 depending on where they were released,
21:58 'cause back then, like,
21:59 the US got films way, way earlier.
22:01 But so I've gone for "Don't Look Now" by Nicholas Rourke.
22:05 And there's several reasons for that.
22:07 I do find it very, very scary, apart from anything else.
22:09 I think it's a genuinely scary film.
22:10 But I think that it was one of the first ones.
22:12 The reason I think it was important
22:14 is that this was a proper director.
22:16 This was a proper name director.
22:17 He'd just come off performance
22:18 and walkabout for which he got nominated for the Pandora.
22:21 So he was a big name British director.
22:23 He was becoming very famous.
22:24 And he chose to do a horror film
22:26 based on a Daphne du Maurier short story.
22:29 So this is kind of, you talk about art house horror,
22:31 you know, it got nominated for five Oscars.
22:34 It won best cinematography.
22:36 It is a proper, proper, like, slightly highbrow film,
22:40 but still terribly scary.
22:42 And it kind of led the way for things like "Silence of the Lambs."
22:44 It kind of led the way for horror to be taken seriously.
22:46 And it was taken seriously to a certain extent
22:48 before then.
22:49 But I think it was one of the first
22:50 proper art house horror films
22:52 that became very successful.
22:53 Great performance by Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie.
22:56 And also when we talk about elevator,
22:58 and again, we always say all horror is kind of elevated,
23:01 but it is a film about grief.
23:02 So it's about a couple who've lost their child
23:04 and they go to Venice and they essentially,
23:07 sort of nasty things happen to them there.
23:10 And it is about grief, like "The Babadook"
23:12 or like all the films we talk about,
23:14 it's about grief and it does it very well.
23:16 And yeah, so I think totally now
23:17 it's a very influential film
23:19 and actually still stands up really beautifully
23:20 and it is genuinely scary.
23:22 - Yeah, I mean, that bit at the end
23:23 with the old woman in the red coat, actually horrifying.
23:26 I've actually seen it in the cinema
23:26 when it got re-released and I knew it was coming
23:29 and I was still like, "Oh!"
23:31 I kind of feel sorry for that old woman who played that
23:33 because if she looks like that, I mean,
23:35 she ain't getting any, she ain't getting any bait.
23:38 I'm telling you.
23:38 I thought I would give someone about how they look,
23:40 but she ain't getting bait.
23:41 Yeah, great film.
23:44 And also you touch on "The Babadook" there,
23:45 before we leave "Freakin'" completely,
23:48 his favourite scary movie, allegedly he says,
23:51 was "The Babadook".
23:52 - Yeah, good man, yeah.
23:54 - I was checking out some of his quotes about movies
23:57 and he said it generally terrified him, shall we say,
24:00 but again, pooped his pants.
24:01 But now I want a more rich era, I think,
24:06 for horror movies, which is the '80s,
24:07 which I think is kind of like so rich in horror.
24:11 I mean, you've got so many video nasties,
24:13 you've got so many Spanish stuff.
24:14 - There's so much, so much.
24:16 - There's so much you could talk about in the '80s
24:18 and borderline mid '90s, but for me,
24:21 the more I keep thinking about what the most influential
24:24 horror movie of the '80s was,
24:25 there's only one thing that I come back to.
24:27 It's not the best in the franchise
24:30 in any way, shape, or form,
24:31 but if I was to say to you, Dave,
24:33 off the top of your head, I'm not talking the best,
24:34 but off the top of your head,
24:35 tell me your horror villain.
24:37 Who's the first thing that comes into your mind?
24:39 - It's Freddy Krueger.
24:41 - "Nightmare on Elm Street".
24:43 - 1984, I believe.
24:46 So 10 years after "The Exorcist".
24:48 Just brilliant.
24:51 I mean, my favorite is "Dream Warriors",
24:53 which I think was also '89.
24:54 - Me too.
24:55 We agree.
24:56 - I really, really liked the second one,
24:59 and I love the documentary about it,
25:01 because obviously, I think the director came out
25:04 and said it was purposely,
25:06 of the second one that says homoerotic.
25:09 He meant to do this in the documentary,
25:11 but he denied it for so long,
25:12 and it affected the main guy's career and stuff like that.
25:15 And it's a very good documentary.
25:16 I think it's on Shutterstill.
25:16 But in terms of "Elm Street" by Wes Craven, the first one,
25:20 that idea of Freddy Krueger,
25:21 who is referred to as a child killer,
25:25 which is not what he is.
25:26 I mean, it is, it's half of what he is.
25:28 Throughout the movie, and just Robert Englund.
25:32 I mean, I've actually been lucky enough
25:34 to meet Robert Englund at a convention.
25:36 I was in a queue, and some guy had gone up and said,
25:41 "I can't swear here, but you'll all know the line."
25:44 Someone said, "I've seen the partner,
25:49 the husband or whatever, goes,
25:49 'Look, my girlfriend's, or my wife's,
25:51 really scared of you sort of thing.'"
25:54 And particularly this line,
25:55 can you just say it when she comes up?
25:57 And you could see him go.
25:58 And he had the glove on and stuff like that.
26:01 Not in makeup, but he had the glove on,
26:02 signing autographs.
26:03 And she got to the front, and he just went,
26:05 "Pastor Borben!"
26:07 And shouted very loud, and the woman just shrieked.
26:11 She was terrified to the point where
26:13 you're like even out of that character,
26:15 you just know the voice.
26:16 But I mean, I think "Elm Street,"
26:19 look, there's some ones that aren't great,
26:21 but in general, it's been an amazing franchise.
26:26 And as much as there's tons and tons and tons
26:29 and tons and tons and tons and tons of good '80s horror,
26:32 I don't think anything's been quite as impactful
26:34 as Freddy Krueger in "Elm Street,"
26:36 which of course began in '84,
26:38 and just progressively, in my opinion,
26:41 got better up until about the fifth film.
26:43 - Yeah, I pretty much agree.
26:45 I think that it's a great call.
26:46 He's one of the great baddies,
26:48 along with Jason and everything else.
26:49 But I've gone for something slightly different
26:51 just because of what I think it led to.
26:52 So not so much, one of my favorite films of the decade,
26:54 but most important, I've gone for,
26:56 it was in 1981, so right at the start of the decade,
26:59 David Cronenberg made "Scanners,"
27:01 which was, he'd made a couple of films before,
27:03 but "Scanners" was the first one to really cut through.
27:06 And it's got the amazing head blowing up scene.
27:08 So it was his body horror, and he's the king of body horror.
27:11 And no one had really done it to that extent before.
27:14 And after that, he had a purple patch.
27:15 He did "Videodrome," "The Dead Zone,"
27:17 "The Fly," "Dead Ringers," "Naked Lunch."
27:19 So he just had a ridiculous run of movies
27:21 throughout the '80s.
27:22 And that's kind of the one that started it.
27:24 And I think that without David Cronenberg,
27:25 you wouldn't have a lot of other,
27:27 I mean, even "Nightmare on Elm Street," you know?
27:29 I mean, it came three years after that.
27:30 There's body horror elements to "Nightmare on Elm Street."
27:33 I don't know whether it was an influence,
27:37 David Cronenberg's work.
27:38 I can't believe that there was no influence there whatsoever.
27:40 And then obviously, Brandon Cronenberg, his son,
27:42 is kind of continuing that too.
27:43 So the kind of Cronenberg legacy
27:45 is gonna go on and on and on and on.
27:47 So yeah, I've gone for "Scanners," 1981,
27:49 beginning of the '80s, body horror, Canadian horror.
27:53 And I think that's pretty influential.
27:56 - Yeah, good movie.
27:57 And I think, look, I can't make a list of all the place,
28:02 all the good films that I think are amazing from the '80s,
28:04 but off the top of my head-
28:05 - Oh, there's millions of them, millions of them.
28:07 - "Reanimator."
28:09 - Yeah, you could choose, you could choose,
28:10 like "Phantasm," yeah, yeah.
28:12 I mean, all of the classics, all the classics.
28:14 - Was this the "Suspiria" '80s or '70s?
28:17 - That was '80s as well.
28:17 I think it might be late '70s, actually.
28:19 I think that might be '70s, yeah.
28:21 - We'll fit it in the middle.
28:22 I mean, I'm just looking at my DVD list here
28:24 and the amount of things, video room, house.
28:28 Like, they live.
28:33 There's just so much stuff.
28:34 - And also "The Thing" as well.
28:35 I mean, I very nearly picked "The Thing."
28:36 That was '80s as well.
28:37 I mean, "The Thing" is just a ridiculously good film.
28:39 Yeah, so there's hundreds of them.
28:40 We could have just,
28:41 we ultimately could have done a top 10 of the '80s
28:43 and still had all different films done,
28:45 basically 20 different films.
28:47 - "Halloween," 1980?
28:48 - I think that was '79, maybe.
28:51 - The '79, potentially.
28:52 I think you could be right.
28:54 Talking of "The Thing," have you watched it recently?
28:57 - Yes, it's still brilliant.
28:59 - It looks like it was made yesterday.
29:01 - It looks amazing.
29:02 Like, the effects are just ridiculous.
29:03 Just so, so good.
29:04 - Flawless.
29:05 I mean, one of the best movies ever made,
29:07 let alone horror.
29:08 Easily one of the best horrors ever made.
29:09 But yeah, I think "Elm Street" wins for that one,
29:12 to be honest.
29:13 The fact that it made a,
29:16 apart from the fact that they made a remake, no.
29:19 - Pointless, so pointless.
29:21 - You don't make a remake or any "Elm Street" film
29:23 without, like, Robert Englund.
29:25 You just don't.
29:26 - You don't. - Sorry.
29:27 - He is, he is.
29:27 He is Nightmare on Elm Street, he is.
29:29 - He is the child killer.
29:30 In terms of '90s movies,
29:33 I actually think this is really rich as well.
29:36 There's obviously only one winner.
29:38 - I know what you're gonna pick.
29:40 I know what you're gonna pick.
29:41 - And I will argue it 'til "Kingdom Come,"
29:43 but if you look at, like, '90s horror movies,
29:46 one big one I wanna mention as well,
29:47 and I know people are kind of like,
29:49 don't like it that much,
29:49 and some do like it,
29:51 but it was really impactful at my school.
29:53 Like, it was talked about a lot.
29:55 When I think back about movies that people really liked
29:59 and spoke about a lot in the school play yard,
30:01 it's scary, and oh God, if you watch it,
30:02 like, it terrifies,
30:03 like, it's gonna really, like, scare the pants off you.
30:07 Blair Witch Project was huge.
30:10 - Which is mine. - Very influential.
30:11 - I will come on to that.
30:12 That is mine, yes.
30:13 - Since we're on it, I'll let you go first,
30:15 because I kind of don't disagree with that,
30:16 because I think, I think it's a great movie,
30:20 and I think it really changed a lot.
30:22 It's been slightly edged out by something else,
30:24 which I think people will know, but.
30:26 - Yeah, I mean, and it has,
30:28 but it was the first found-footage film
30:30 that's gained traction in the cinema,
30:32 and it's crazy to me,
30:33 most found-footage films are not good, let's face it,
30:35 but they make a lot of money at the box office.
30:36 I'm just looking up the figures,
30:37 Blair Witch cost $60,000 to make,
30:40 which even we could probably raise that to make a film,
30:43 and it has made $250 million in the box office.
30:47 That's just in the cinema,
30:48 before DVD sales and everything else.
30:50 So, I mean, it was a game changer.
30:51 It was actually 1999, it was later than I realised,
30:53 so it was right at the end of the '90s,
30:55 but when it comes to impact on horror cinema,
30:58 I don't think that there's much of an argument.
31:00 I just think that it did more,
31:01 and again, I'm not saying it's not a great film.
31:03 I've watched it again relatively recently.
31:05 It doesn't scare me now, but I can tell you,
31:06 and I think a lot of people lie
31:08 about how much they were scared by this
31:10 when they went and seen it in the cinema.
31:11 It absolutely petrified me in the cinema,
31:13 and I went there kind of knowing
31:14 that it was gonna be scary,
31:15 and it genuinely, genuinely scared me,
31:17 'cause it was just different
31:18 from anything we've seen before.
31:19 You watch it now,
31:20 and you've seen all these found-footage films,
31:22 and it's genuinely, genuinely scary
31:24 when it's all in the cinema.
31:24 Also, the marketing campaign
31:25 was absolutely incredible for it as well,
31:27 taking it after the extras,
31:28 so it's a very similar kind of fantastic ads campaign.
31:31 So yeah, mine's Blair Witch,
31:34 but I do understand that a lot of people
31:36 won't find it scary anymore,
31:37 and also the directors of it.
31:38 I can't even remember the name of the directors.
31:40 There was a pair of directors
31:42 called Daniel Miric and Eduardo Sanchez,
31:44 none of whom have done anything of note since.
31:47 Complete flash in the pan.
31:48 So you must have made millions and millions
31:49 and millions and millions of pounds out of it,
31:50 and they've gone on to make
31:51 just fairly rubbish horror films.
31:53 So I think it was a bit lucky,
31:54 but it is a great film,
31:55 and massively enjoyed it, John.
31:57 - I've actually met the director.
31:59 - Oh.
32:00 - Random fact.
32:01 Nice guy.
32:02 If you look at the films that have come out
32:05 in the '90s as well,
32:05 I mean, people saying it,
32:07 might be thinking it's not as rich as the '80s.
32:09 I'd be tempted to agree.
32:11 However, the '80s did not have "Troll 2."
32:13 - Of course it didn't.
32:16 No, it didn't.
32:17 - So make your own mind up on that.
32:19 But if you're looking through horror,
32:20 I mean, I'm just looking here.
32:21 You've got "The Craft,"
32:22 which is one of my favorite movies of all time.
32:25 I know "Evil Dead" is better,
32:26 but "Army of Darkness" is a great movie.
32:28 That was '90s.
32:30 You've got, like we say, "Blair Witch,"
32:31 "Ring," obviously the original,
32:34 if you prefer the new American one, fair enough.
32:37 But obviously, "The Ring" was big.
32:39 "The Faculty."
32:40 "Tremors" was just coming out just then as well.
32:43 - "Tremors," yeah.
32:45 - "Child's Play 2" was just out.
32:47 I don't know if "Child's Play 1" was, I think, just missing.
32:49 I'm pretty sure "Candyman" was 1992.
32:52 So really, really, really rich.
32:55 And I mean, "Sixth Sense," I know M. Night is...
32:58 - Yeah.
32:59 - Well, he's a character.
33:00 But "The Sixth Sense" is really good.
33:03 But for me, there's only really one movie
33:05 that stands the test of time for me,
33:07 and it's still going.
33:08 And the original is still the best.
33:11 But, no, the fourth one's pretty good.
33:13 But "Nothing But Scream" for me, again, Wes Craven.
33:17 I mean, for me, it was a real gateway into horror,
33:23 and it was really educational for me as well.
33:25 Like when I think of the stuff that I watch now
33:27 and the stuff that I've loved,
33:29 it all came from "Scream," a lot of it.
33:31 Because it was kind of like a parody of horror
33:35 in some ways, but it was also like a history of horror.
33:38 And you've got to think, like, Wes Craven,
33:40 yeah, he made "Elm Street,"
33:41 so he'd always be remembered for that.
33:43 But he didn't really, he wasn't going anywhere
33:45 in the '90s compared to where he was in the '80s.
33:47 I think he made the first one of "Elm Street,"
33:49 and then I can't remember how many he made after that.
33:51 I don't think he did the second one.
33:53 I'm pretty certain he didn't.
33:54 Actually, I know he didn't.
33:55 He didn't really have...
33:58 I mean, "Scream" is like the slasher thing.
34:02 It died a long time before that.
34:03 The slasher thing was kind of old.
34:05 It was '96.
34:06 People were bored of it.
34:07 But I think if you've got to look at the springboard
34:09 it gives to everyone that was in that movie,
34:11 like Nev Campbell, huge.
34:13 Rose McGowan, one of my favorite.
34:14 Obviously someone I think we've both met.
34:16 A really, really lovely woman
34:18 who I would love to have
34:20 another five-minute conversation with,
34:22 which is all I unfortunately got with her.
34:24 A lovely woman.
34:25 Matthew Lillard, amazing.
34:26 Skeet Urich, one of the...
34:28 I mean, I think Matthew Lillard's amazing in that film,
34:30 to be completely blunt.
34:32 I think Skeet Urich's brilliant in it as well.
34:35 And I think the whole cast,
34:38 the kind of history, less than I give you on horror,
34:42 and the fact that Ghostface is now outside of Freddie,
34:45 he's up there with...
34:47 I think he's bigger than Jason.
34:49 I think he's probably not quite as big as Michael Myers,
34:53 but that's probably been helped by the new,
34:55 horrendous Halloween movie
34:57 that came out not too long ago.
34:59 But Scream's actually my favorite horror of all time,
35:02 probably.
35:02 I have to give a big shout out for The Shining, by the way.
35:06 I realize I've totally missed it.
35:08 The Shining's probably my second favorite horror of all time.
35:11 It's not quite as impactful as Nightmare on Elm Street,
35:14 and The Shining was 1980, I think, or potentially '78.
35:19 And I still would say The Exorcist and Elm Street
35:21 was more influential, but for me,
35:23 Scream really reinvented,
35:25 or reinvigorated the genre.
35:27 It gave people a history lesson
35:28 who hadn't seen horror beforehand.
35:30 It was funny.
35:31 It took the mick out of itself.
35:32 It was borderline parody,
35:34 and it's still going to test the time,
35:35 and people still love it.
35:36 So for me, 90s has a really good selection,
35:39 but you just can't scream.
35:40 - No.
35:42 It's a good film.
35:43 I was a bit old for it.
35:44 I was already going down the kind of horror thing,
35:46 and I found it was a bit too poking fun
35:48 at all the films I loved,
35:49 but I totally understand that if you're a bit younger
35:51 and you hadn't gone back to those films, I can get it.
35:54 I think I was just a bit too old for it.
35:56 I was like 85 years old when it came out, I think.
35:58 So I was just, yeah.
36:00 - We've got a bit over time, but we'll keep going.
36:04 It's fine.
36:05 So we're onto the noughties.
36:06 - We can be quick with our last one.
36:07 We can be quick.
36:08 - We can.
36:08 Well, we've got 20 years, technically.
36:11 We've got the present day, and we've got the noughties,
36:13 but we'll be quick.
36:14 I mean, if you lasted this long,
36:15 you'd stay in anyway, wouldn't you?
36:17 So I've got an admission to make.
36:19 I wrote an article yesterday,
36:20 and I chose Paranormal Activity as the best film
36:23 between sort of the 2000s and 2010, almost impactful,
36:28 because I thought, again, I think it was like Blair Witch.
36:33 It scared people more than people actually let on.
36:35 Paranormal Activity is genuinely quite scary.
36:37 I remember I struggled to get asleep that night.
36:39 I was staying in my, like my first flat
36:44 and all my housemates, I had four housemates,
36:47 and they were all out, and I watched it,
36:48 and like I really was not happy to be in the house on my own
36:53 'cause I thought if that demon comes
36:55 and starts swinging on the light, I'm done for.
36:57 And I sat and I concentrated,
36:59 and I thought quite heavily about the 2000s,
37:01 the early first 10 years of the new millennium,
37:05 and thought which films are,
37:07 which films will really like change the course of horror
37:11 or were like a game changer, and I thought that,
37:13 and I wrote it down,
37:14 and I've now changed my mind a day later.
37:16 Less than 24 hours, I've changed my mind.
37:18 But the reason I've changed my mind on this
37:20 is I kind of forgot that this came out
37:22 in the early part of the millennium.
37:24 I think the most influential movie from 2000,
37:27 sorry, the millennium to 2010 is a film
37:31 and a franchise that's still going on, but so.
37:33 - Yeah, yeah, it was certainly a new type of film,
37:36 wasn't it?
37:37 - Uh-huh, and it was, it was go mixed with psychological
37:40 horror, which I don't think was really done that well
37:43 for a long, long time.
37:44 It created, again, a brand new horror villain in Jigsaw,
37:48 it kept going, and it also was, I mean, to do that,
37:51 whilst at the same time, made you kind of like,
37:54 hate the characters, but like,
37:56 should you want them to be doing well,
37:57 or should you not be wanting them to do well?
37:59 And it spawned a lot of other stuff
38:00 that's probably very popular, I think.
38:02 Like, I think it came, like,
38:05 due to be called torture porn, basically,
38:07 in terms of the horror, but you look at things like
38:11 Hostel and stuff like that, that came from it,
38:13 and it spawned a lot of very good movies,
38:15 but still stayed above the class
38:17 of the other torture-ish movies.
38:18 So, I said Paranormal Activity,
38:20 I was very tempted by Let the Right One In,
38:22 but I think I'm gonna say Saw is the most influential
38:24 of the early millennium.
38:26 - And again, you have second-guessed me,
38:28 because mine is Let the Right One In.
38:30 I make no secret of my love for the film,
38:32 it's one of my favourite films of all time,
38:34 and it made kind of horror,
38:35 and there'd been a lot of foreign horror before,
38:38 particularly Japanese horror,
38:39 quite a lot of Spanish horror as well,
38:42 but it was kind of a big hit,
38:44 it's again a kind of art-housey film,
38:46 but it's got heart, it's a love story,
38:48 but it's definitely a horror, it's properly scary.
38:50 And I think it led to a lot of more open-mindedness
38:54 about foreign language horror, particularly Scandi horror,
38:57 and a lot of my favourite films of the past 10 years
38:59 have been Scandinavian horror.
39:01 Back then, there wasn't a lot of Scandi horror around,
39:03 and I just love Let the Right One In,
39:05 apart from everything else, it's just one of my favourite
39:06 films, I couldn't pick anything else.
39:08 Whether it's been as influential,
39:09 I think you're right, I think Saw
39:10 is probably more influential than that,
39:11 so I would think that you've won that round
39:13 for influential, 'cause you're right,
39:15 it's won so many films, but Let the Right One In,
39:17 I could not pick it, much like you couldn't pick Scream,
39:19 I just love Let the Right One In,
39:20 so that's my fave of the noughties, is it?
39:23 Is that what we call that decade?
39:24 - Noughties, sounds a bit stupid, but whatever.
39:27 Now, present day actually is quite hard.
39:31 I did decide on one, and I think I'm gonna stick with it,
39:35 but before we move on from what,
39:37 before we move on to what I've chose,
39:39 massive shout out to Midsommar,
39:40 probably my favourite modern day horror.
39:43 Hereditary, still makes me feel a bit grim when I watch it,
39:47 which is, it makes me feel like,
39:49 it makes me feel like mould, I can't describe it,
39:52 it just makes me feel a bit bad,
39:54 like I need a good wash when I watch it,
39:56 I don't know what that is about it.
39:58 Kind of seeps me in depression,
39:59 which I think is kind of the point.
40:01 Outside of that, no, you know what,
40:06 my favourite horror is not Midsommar.
40:08 I haven't chose it, but it follows.
40:13 I just think it follows us perfect.
40:14 We're approaching its 10 year anniversary,
40:16 and I just think it's one of the most perfect films ever.
40:19 Talked about it loads recently, so I won't go on about it,
40:21 but that's in there.
40:22 Terrifier, I think has been amazing.
40:26 The last two Terrifiers, old school,
40:28 but brought brand new horror villain to the table,
40:32 but I think the most influential,
40:34 and I mentioned it before earlier in it,
40:35 and I think you're gonna agree with me,
40:37 I think it's very hard to look beyond,
40:39 especially when the likes of William Friedkin
40:42 is saying it was the most terrifying horror
40:44 they've seen, or scariest horror.
40:46 I think I've got to give it to The Babadook.
40:48 - It's a great film.
40:51 - And I'm guessing you're gonna agree.
40:54 - I'm not actually, so I went a wee bit,
40:55 so I think, so I could go on to The Babadook.
40:57 I think The Babadook might be my personal favourite.
41:00 I think maybe one of the most important would be Get Out.
41:04 I think that Get Out's a film
41:05 that does a lot of interesting stuff,
41:07 and I think that's influenced a lot of other films as well.
41:09 But I've gone a wee bit different
41:09 because it's the modern day.
41:10 I'm going for a film which I think is gonna lead
41:12 to more films like it.
41:15 And I'm not sure if I even like the film that much,
41:17 but 2014's Unfriended, which horror movies,
41:22 I always think that horror movies
41:24 always do interesting new things
41:26 that then get copied by other films,
41:28 which aren't necessarily horror films.
41:29 So they tend to do these things,
41:30 they tend to, I mean, things like 3D or stuff like that,
41:33 it tends to be horror films that do it first,
41:34 and they kind of test the waters,
41:36 and then basically the wrestling movie industry follows.
41:39 And Unfriended, famously, is the first ever feature film
41:42 which takes place entirely on a laptop screen.
41:45 And it's really clever.
41:47 For being the first of its type,
41:49 it really does it very, very well,
41:50 and it's not boring, it could have been boring.
41:52 Watching it on a laptop in bed
41:54 is an equally good experience
41:56 as almost watching it in the cinema.
41:57 We always talk about how great cinema is
41:59 and how you really should go to the cinema.
42:00 You should still go to the cinema to see that film,
42:02 but it kind of works at home as well.
42:03 And I just think that it is,
42:05 I think there'll be more films like that.
42:06 And it's interesting to see modern technology
42:09 be brought into that.
42:10 There's a wonderful moment,
42:11 basically you're watching it on a laptop,
42:13 and I think they've done it completely deliberately,
42:15 but basically the laptop, you're watching it,
42:17 so the laptop, which is on your laptop screen,
42:19 begins to run out of battery.
42:20 And I defy anybody to watch it and not plug your laptop in
42:23 and go, "Oh, the laptop's almost low battery."
42:25 But it's not your laptop,
42:26 it's the laptop which is on your laptop,
42:28 which is just a fabulous concept.
42:30 But yeah, so Unfriended,
42:31 I think that it's a really interesting film.
42:32 I think that more films will do stuff like that.
42:36 And it's just an interesting moment for horror
42:38 and for film doing something completely different like that.
42:41 And I'm pleased that horror did it and not another genre.
42:43 So I've gone for Unfriended,
42:45 but in my heart of hearts,
42:46 I think that Bam Dooker get out.
42:48 - So Jonan?
42:49 - As ever, joy.
42:50 Thanks very much, Graham. Bye.
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