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- Shoaib Jatt
Guest:
- Ehsan ur Rehman Mazari (Minister for IPC)
Host:
- Shoaib Jatt
Guest:
- Ehsan ur Rehman Mazari (Minister for IPC)
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, welcome to The Bouncer. I am your host, Shoaib Jatt.
00:04 We will talk about the games in Pakistan, where there is a boom.
00:07 If we talk about cricket, there is a situation of disbelief.
00:10 If we talk about football, there is a lot of excitement.
00:13 If we talk about hockey, there is no excitement.
00:15 We have with us, the Federal Minister of Pakistan, of IPC.
00:19 And under him, all sports come.
00:22 After the 18th amendment, this is the ministry that looks after all sports.
00:26 I don't need to introduce Ahsan Mazari, he is a well-known politician.
00:30 He will welcome you to the show.
00:32 Mr. Mazari, you came. Earlier, I thought that this ministry is very slow.
00:36 It just comes and goes.
00:39 But you came and shook everyone.
00:42 Let's talk about cricket first.
00:44 You came to cricket. You said that we are going to do this.
00:47 Then you did it.
00:48 Were there instructions or was there a purpose behind it?
00:51 In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
00:54 Thank you for coming to my office and for inviting me to the show.
00:58 There were no instructions.
01:01 Basically, the ministry is with the Pakistan People's Party.
01:05 Earlier, the leadership was decided by the people who had the ministry.
01:11 Our leadership had a wish that Zakir Shah be the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board.
01:17 So, we followed their leadership and made him the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board.
01:26 As Mr. Zardari wishes, it happens.
01:28 You follow it.
01:30 You are a well-known politician.
01:32 Mr. Zardari works on a big canvas.
01:35 Because you had this ministry.
01:37 You are a well-known politician.
01:39 You must have taken all the steps after seeing all the things.
01:42 When you announced this and did it,
01:45 the people who were removed started saying that the cricket board does not come under the ministry.
01:54 Because it is a free institution.
01:56 And its patrons are the prime ministers.
01:59 So, it was a blatant rejection.
02:01 You have influenced people here.
02:05 Some people were saying that the budget was not being approved.
02:09 That is why the pressure was done through pressure tactics.
02:12 So, please clear it today.
02:14 If Pakistan Cricket Board thinks that they are autonomous,
02:18 they are not autonomous.
02:20 They are under the ministry of IPC.
02:24 And the ministry of IPC issues notifications.
02:30 The ministry of IPC issues notifications.
02:36 The ministry of IPC answers questions to the standing committee
02:40 on the floor of the National Assembly,
02:42 on the floor of the upper house of the Senate.
02:45 They are not autonomous.
02:47 They are under the ministry of IPC.
02:50 Let me make it very clear to Pakistan Cricket Board.
02:53 They are under the ministry of IPC.
02:55 And the ministry of IPC is answerable to the Honorable Prime Minister of Pakistan,
03:02 who happens to be the patron chief.
03:05 Honorable Prime Minister, who is he?
03:09 He is the government of Pakistan.
03:12 The government of Pakistan means that it is under the government of Pakistan.
03:16 All the cricket stadiums all over Pakistan are not under the government of PCB.
03:21 They are under the government of Pakistan.
03:24 So, they are under the government of Pakistan.
03:26 They are not autonomous.
03:28 But they say it to him and then repeat it to their own people.
03:32 The ICC also tells us that if there is a political intervention,
03:36 then we will be banned from playing football.
03:40 So, they sent a letter to the management committee.
03:44 They wrote a letter to the management committee and then they banned Zakar Shah.
03:48 The ministry of IPC did not do it.
03:51 The ministry of IPC is the government of Pakistan.
03:55 They released a letter and banned it.
03:59 Then the matter went to the court.
04:01 Which court?
04:03 It went to the British High Court.
04:06 It is their choice.
04:08 They can do whatever they want.
04:10 But they banned Zakar Shah.
04:13 There is one more confusion.
04:15 You will leave on 8th.
04:17 8th means 9th or 10th.
04:19 The federal government will leave.
04:21 You will also leave.
04:22 You are also a part of the committee
04:24 who will decide whether Pakistan should go to India or not.
04:28 Will your committee decide this
04:30 or will the caretaker government decide whether Pakistan should go to India or not?
04:34 I have a personal view.
04:36 I have said this at every place.
04:38 I have a personal view.
04:40 If India does not come here,
04:42 this is my personal view.
04:44 I will give this recommendation to the committee.
04:46 If India does not come here to play,
04:48 then we should not go to play in the World Cup.
04:51 We should also go to the hybrid model.
04:53 They have security concerns.
04:55 MashaAllah, Pakistan is safe.
04:57 You have gone on a tour of England,
04:59 New Zealand, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka,
05:03 Australia and England.
05:07 They have security concerns.
05:09 I have more security concerns about my players in India.
05:14 RSS, you know, has attacked the BCCI board.
05:18 BCCI always twists every board.
05:25 Because they have a lot of money.
05:27 This blackmailing has become too much.
05:31 I will not be in this blackmailing.
05:33 Zahir sahib, I am asking you this only.
05:35 Your stance is in its place, which you are openly taking.
05:38 You are saying that you will recommend to the committee.
05:40 Will this committee decide this or will the caretaker government decide this?
05:44 Because you have only 2-3 weeks left.
05:47 The committee will decide this.
05:50 The committee will decide this.
05:54 Then we will send the recommendation to the Prime Minister.
05:57 And the Prime Minister is the boss to decide.
06:00 Because being the patronage of the Pakistan Credit Board,
06:02 he has to decide.
06:03 Either send the team to India or we should go for a hybrid model.
06:06 When you were talking about Sethi sahib,
06:09 you said that it is our ministry and we will decide.
06:12 And then you did it.
06:14 Did you get any contact from Sethi sahib?
06:16 Sethi sahib asked you to find a way in between.
06:18 No, I did not get any contact from him.
06:21 He was trying to get in touch with President Zardari sahib.
06:27 He had asked for time.
06:30 He could not meet President Zardari sahib.
06:33 Because President Zardari sahib had his commitments.
06:36 He was very busy.
06:37 That is why he could not meet him.
06:38 Now, because you are a political figure,
06:41 I am asking this question, apart from sports.
06:43 I am getting news that Najam Sethi sahib is running for the KTGPM.
06:48 Is it true?
06:49 You can answer that. I do not know.
06:53 You are a political figure. You must know.
06:55 You keep surrounding news.
06:57 When the chairman of the Pakistan Credit Board was removed,
06:59 do you think that you will become the Prime Minister?
07:01 I do not think anything. I am just asking you.
07:03 Your vision is far away. I am just asking questions.
07:05 You asked questions and I answered.
07:07 Let us move ahead.
07:09 When you brought the new powerful chairman of the Pakistan Credit Board,
07:14 as you are saying,
07:15 you brought Zakir Sharif sahib.
07:17 You repeatedly wrote to the Managing Committee,
07:20 the caretaker was there,
07:21 that an audit should be sent.
07:23 Did you get an audit?
07:25 The credit board is telling that he is a free body.
07:28 He will not send you an audit.
07:30 You asked for an audit for the Rajam Sethi.
07:32 I asked for it. They had stopped it.
07:34 When they stopped it, I wrote to AGPR,
07:37 and they are getting a special audit for the Pakistan.
07:40 Do you think that there are many irregularities in it, as per Rajam Sethi?
07:44 You will see.
07:46 I have heard that 4.5 crore rupees have been spent on the opening ceremony.
07:52 Do you have such information?
07:54 One billion rupees.
07:55 One billion?
07:57 So you think that there are irregularities.
08:00 The audit will come.
08:01 The milk will be of the same quality.
08:02 Till then you will not become the Prime Minister.
08:04 We will not become the Prime Minister.
08:05 The government of Pakistan will become the Prime Minister.
08:07 Can anyone escape the audit?
08:09 Yes, it is like that.
08:10 I would like to ask about Mr. Zakar.
08:13 Will Mr. Zakar become the Chairman of the Cricket Board
08:17 or will he become the head of the Managing Committee
08:21 and run the caretaker government?
08:24 What do you think?
08:25 You are saying it with such a lot of confidence
08:27 that he is the Chairman of the Managing Committee
08:29 and you are saying that he is a powerful Chairman of the Cricket Board.
08:31 Mr. Shoaib, you are giving a hint.
08:33 Mr. Shoaib, what do you think?
08:34 I am naive. You tell me.
08:37 You are naive. You know everything.
08:39 No, I am going to ask.
08:40 Will Zakar become the Chairman of the Cricket Board during your tenure?
08:44 Inshallah.
08:46 So the hurdles of the court will be over.
08:49 I will make it.
08:50 There are a lot of talks about foreign coaches.
08:56 That Najam Sethi made Mickey Arthur the team director
09:00 and he is not with the team.
09:02 The domestic team is important for England.
09:05 Pakistan's test team is not important for them.
09:07 I have not understood this topic of virtual coaching.
09:13 Online coaching.
09:14 Online coaching. I have not understood this topic.
09:16 Coaches are on the ground.
09:18 They come and coach the players.
09:20 They come and stay with the players in the field.
09:25 I have not understood the topic of virtual coaching.
09:28 If you could understand, then you could have explained it to me.
09:30 What will be the outcome of virtual coaching?
09:33 Will he have to go home?
09:34 Why is there a special audit?
09:37 It is for irregularities.
09:39 What are the irregularities in the funds?
09:41 Did the money go to the right place?
09:43 The coach will not come for the audit.
09:45 How will he not come?
09:48 The coach's salary can come for the audit.
09:49 But the coach's appointment will also come for the audit.
09:52 What if there are no kickbacks?
09:54 Do you think so?
09:56 If there is an audit report, then we will know.
09:58 I will ask you in simple words.
10:00 You are saying that there are kickbacks to bring Mickey Arthur.
10:05 Maybe.
10:06 We will know only if there is an audit report.
10:08 You are saying a very scary thing.
10:10 I am saying.
10:11 There will be a special audit.
10:12 Was it the right decision to write a letter to you to ask for money from the cricket board?
10:16 When you and him became so popular,
10:18 they leaked the letter.
10:20 And there were talks that you are asking for bonuses for your employees,
10:23 for those directors who have lakhs of salaries,
10:26 and you are asking them to give it to the poor people.
10:28 I did not ask for the favor of the cricket board.
10:30 I asked for the favor of my employees.
10:32 And this is the custom everywhere.
10:34 If I asked for the favor of my employees for the Eid,
10:38 I did not do anything wrong.
10:41 I did not ask for the favor of the cricket board.
10:43 I asked for the favor of my employees.
10:45 You are saying that you withdrew the letter.
10:46 Yes, I withdrew the letter.
10:47 So, they did not get the money.
10:48 No.
10:49 But the letter was manipulated in such a way that...
10:52 I do not know his name.
10:56 I do not know him.
11:00 He has also taken a lot of money.
11:02 He has also taken a lot of money.
11:06 He has also been lying in a PC hotel for 5-6 months.
11:09 He had a lot of books.
11:11 He has also taken a lot of money.
11:13 So, everyone will be in the radar.
11:16 Where are everyone in the radar?
11:17 Let us talk about the national hockey.
11:19 You have the pain of cricket and you have also played it.
11:21 What happened in hockey?
11:23 Did the power of the minister decrease?
11:26 Or does the minister not have the pain of national hockey?
11:29 The voices of change are being raised there.
11:31 The Olympians are shouting.
11:33 The results are not coming.
11:35 There are problems.
11:36 Look, a committee was made for it.
11:39 The Hon. Prime Minister, the Convener, the Defence Minister,
11:44 Sardar Iyad Sadiq and I were there.
11:48 We made a committee for it.
11:51 Mr. Shanaas Sheikh, Mr. Akhtar Rasool and all of them
11:54 came to us with their recommendations.
11:56 They presented them to the Standing Committee.
11:58 We received them from the Standing Committee.
12:00 These are their recommendations.
12:02 Whatever they sent us, we did not go back and forth.
12:07 We sent it to the Hon. Prime Minister.
12:10 The Prime Minister has also taken a patent for hockey.
12:15 We are waiting for the PM House to give us an answer.
12:20 What was the recommendation?
12:22 Tell the people what the recommendation was.
12:24 The overall performance of hockey.
12:26 Was the recommendation to change the existing regime?
12:31 I cannot say anything on this.
12:35 Whatever they sent, the Prime Minister will have a say.
12:40 Because he is the Patent Chief.
12:42 You have also asked for audit reports from the Hockey Federation.
12:46 They will also be audited.
12:48 They are already being audited.
12:50 Like cricket?
12:52 Yes, they are being audited.
12:54 We will bring the culprits to the court.
12:56 Will there be a special audit report?
12:58 You will know who is responsible.
13:00 There are many reports but they are not public.
13:02 We will make it public.
13:04 Let's talk about football.
13:06 Millions of rupees are being spent on football.
13:10 We don't know where they are going.
13:13 If we talk about fast growing sports in Pakistan,
13:17 it will not be wrong.
13:19 Why is there so much helplessness?
13:21 The government is helpless.
13:23 A person who is not from Pakistan,
13:25 but has come from Canada,
13:27 and is taking advantage of Pakistan's football,
13:29 why is he silent there?
13:31 FIFA made this NCE.
13:34 Haroon Malik, the dual nationalist from Canada and Pakistan.
13:40 I have also met him once.
13:44 In fact, I have met him 2-3 times.
13:46 He has already undertaken a meeting with me.
13:48 He has been on the Senate Standing Committee.
13:50 He told me in front of the media that
13:52 he will be elected on 15th May by the Pakistan Football Federation.
13:56 That person is not in the mood to be elected.
14:00 Because he gets $10,000 per month from FIFA.
14:04 Salary?
14:05 Salary.
14:06 Haroon Malik only?
14:07 Haroon Malik and his 3-4 other members get $5000-6000 per month.
14:11 And he gets $50,000 per month to run the FIFA house.
14:15 He gets $50,000 per month to run the house.
14:20 FIFA house is in the administrative department.
14:22 He gets that separately.
14:24 I have also spoken to the DG.
14:30 He has started his audit.
14:34 He has started his audit.
14:36 The Senate Committee has recommended that
14:38 Haroon Malik should be named as the controlist.
14:43 If they continue to spend this money,
14:47 it means that the Pakistani criminals will be arrested.
14:50 Who?
14:51 The Pakistani criminals will be arrested.
14:54 I am talking about football.
14:56 If they have taken the money, they will be arrested.
14:58 Whether it is football, cricket or hockey.
15:00 As you wish.
15:01 You are so angry on this that you express your anger.
15:05 We have included the Pakistan Football Team in the list of overseas players.
15:10 In the last 7-8 matches,
15:13 only one goal was scored by a local Pakistani.
15:16 They are not performing overseas, but they are still playing.
15:19 The Pakistan team can have an overseas player of 36 years.
15:22 The team has removed a 30-year-old Pakistani captain.
15:26 You should ask Haroon Malik.
15:28 You have also answered him.
15:30 He does not come in front of me.
15:31 I have approached him for an interview.
15:33 You should ask Haroon Malik.
15:34 Why would he come?
15:36 I have already told you that if you are getting $10,000,
15:39 what is the problem?
15:40 You should enjoy.
15:41 You should travel Canada.
15:42 His business is there, his house is there.
15:44 He has nothing in Pakistan.
15:46 He has a bank in Pakistan.
15:47 He has a bank.
15:48 You should catch a plane and take $10,000.
15:50 I will remove him.
15:54 You will remove him?
15:55 I will remove him.
15:56 He will be suspended in the audit.
15:58 You will suspend him?
16:00 He will be suspended in the special audit.
16:02 I will not let him go.
16:03 The Pakistan Olympic Association challenges the government rate.
16:08 The Pakistan Sport Board does not follow the instructions.
16:11 They think that a special audit is required there as well.
16:14 Because the IOC pays them a lot.
16:16 I will pass it on.
16:18 When I came here, the minister and the Pakistan Olympic Association had a misunderstanding.
16:24 When I came, I called them.
16:26 General Ali Musa came to meet me.
16:28 And his secretary, General Khalid.
16:30 I asked him, "What is your misunderstanding?
16:32 Sit down."
16:33 I said, "You have to work for the athletes of Pakistan.
16:37 You have to work for the sport of Pakistan.
16:40 I also want to support the young people of Pakistan, the sports lovers, the athletes."
16:47 "Tell us if you have any doubts."
16:51 He said, "We have no doubts."
16:53 We had a few meetings.
16:55 I had a meeting with the DGC.
16:57 Right now, they are on the same page.
17:00 Do you think that in the 2024 Olympics, Pakistan will be in a better position?
17:06 Inshallah.
17:07 We have hope.
17:10 Thank you.
17:12 Thank you.
17:13 He gave answers to the bitter questions in a very clear way.
17:16 He told us who will be hanged, who will be sent home, and who will be made to sit on the throne.
17:20 I hope you liked this program.
17:21 We have a guest in the next program.
17:23 Till then, we will take leave.