Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama talk about forgiveness

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His Holiness the Dalai Lama appreciates Archbishop Desmond Tutu as the image of joy during the first of several conversations on joy at His Holinesss .
In an interview, Archbishop Desmond Tutu discusses how a person must transform in order to forgive.
The Book of Joy is a collaborative effort between Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama, to share their tips and secrets on achieving lasting happiness .